tv Americas Newsroom With Bill Hemmer and Martha Mac Callum FOX News October 2, 2015 6:00am-8:01am PDT
before it's history, it's news. >> you guys want to get the recipe from kurt and maggie? just go to their house. >> foxandf bill: fox news alert. a hospital taking care of the wounded after another school shooting yesterday. watch. part of the oregon level three trauma system, we integrate with the level one and level two.
they are a mix male and female at this point of varying ages. of the age span it was on the younger. >> you said there were 10 patient. >> we received 10 patient from ucc. of those, three were transferred to a higher level of care for services which we don't have available. two were treated and released from the emergency room. four required operating room procedures. one patient was deceased in the emergency room. of the four that underwent surgical intervention, one was discharged yesterday, one will likely be discharged today. one is in critical condition and
one is in stable condition. all of these gunshot wound to abdomen, her t thorax, and extremities. we received 10 patient in total. that's the information i can vouch for. >> how about the challenges when i have so many people coming all at once, how do you respond? >> from a medical standpoint we are trained for this. the outpouring of the community, the outpouring of our staff coming in on our days off. retired if i significants coming in, staff -- retired physicians coming in and staff coming in. coordinating is very difficult. >> everyone knows somebody who
has been impacted by the shooting. has this personally impacted you? >> we have staff members who have been impacted. >> for you personally to see this happen here, and just trying to -- how do you cope with helping people and dealing with this emotion at the same time? >> it's been one of our biggest challenges. yesterday was a challenging day. the days and the weeks to come, how do we continue to support our staff, the family, the victims here. >> you don't know all the victims' names even if you are taking care of them. >> we don't know all the victims' naipts out at the college. >> have you been in contact with them this morning?
>> i have not been in contact this morning. those that were transferred out because we don't have the fat silt for neurosurgery. >> we don't know if that's one of the 10 or not. >> all four expected to survive. one already out, one later today. >> correct. >> have you seen something of this nature before? >> in a small community like this, it's the first time. bill: that is the latest we are getting from the hospital. the microphone dropped out at the end. but 10 patients at that hospital.
four head surgeries. one released last night, another expected to be released today. one still in serious condition according to a doctor a moment ago. >> it's focused on treating the patient. and then us and staff, you go through the rest of the range of emotions from disbelief, from anger and sadness to resolution. it's less than 24 hours. it's still raw and we are quite numb. >> what's next for you and your staff? >> there are currently three here. one will likely be discharged today. so there will be two. we'll continue to focus on the well-being and medical care and emotional support of the family of the victims and our staff. >> we have our pastoral team
ready to go. type with our employee today as well as early next week so they can walk through the emotional trauma as well also. >> the three that were transferred, the services we don't provide here. they met the criteria to be transferred to a level 3. bill: a gunman opened fire at a community college in oregon. 10 people are dead, including the gunman. martha: i'm martha maccallum. good morning. the shooter identified as chris happenner mercer was eventually killed in a shootout with police. little is known about the
shooter. student say he asked their religions and targeted those who said they were christians. >> it was rapid fire over and over and over again. you could hear them moving and crying. >> i heard screaming after that first gunshot. thin was out and i saw the weep running. i said to the teacher, we need to get out of here right now. >> people running in every direct. i ran to the hill. people were running everywhere. >> what was going through your mind? >> praying i would make it. >> at that time we didn't know it was a shooter. to know that was real, somebody did have a gun, somebody is shooting. it's petrifying. martha: william, what's the
latest this morning. >> this could have been a lot worse. this guy had four weapons, three handguns, likely plenty of ammunition. there were 35 student in this public speaking and writing class. yet it took deputies only 8 minute from the type they got that 911 call to arrive at the scene and even gaingt gunman and kill him. >> somebody is shooting through the door. there is a female in the computer lab. there is a female who has been shot at this time. >> he's in a classroom on the southeast side of snyder hall. >> reporter: it's a gun-free zone. they have one security guard who does not carry a weapon, but a can of mace.
according to a professor mercer shot the -- according to a student mercer shot the professor first, then asked the student if they were christian. >> i knew something was wrong. it was -- i don't know. it's hard to explain. when she looked at us, she said we have to get out now. one of my classmates said come on, let's go. and we began running. >> reporter: they will likely save lives, the search was served earlier at the apartment. william, thank you. bill: a visibly angry obama
weighing in at the white house. the president saying this is something he believes should be politicized. >> we spent over a trillion dollars and passed countless laws and devoted entire agencies to prevent terrorist attacks on our soil. yet we have a congress that blocks us from even collecting data on how we could potentially reduce gun deaths. how can that be? bill: critics charging the president's comments were a rush to judgment. steven hayes, you are probably one of those the president would consider when he made those statement. you said he did this as a distraction. that's a strong charge. >> i don't doubt the president
is passionate about these issues and was quite serious when he made the comments. but he would be foolish to ignore the fact that the comments came after 48 hours of some of the worst news of his presidency where he had been mocked and shown to be a weak president on the international stage by vladimir putin. 5 hours after the shooting, the president of the united states without any word about the motivation of the shooter he makes a speak for gun control. i think part of the reason for making those comments was to distract from the last 48 hours. bill: he believes after newtown and a series of others that nothing changes. that's pretty obvious. that's his viewpoint and that's where he comes from. >> he does. we have to put this in context. the president didn't make these comments after the 50 shootings
that took place in chicago over the weekend including 13 fatalities. he didn't make the comments the previous week after another 50 shootings. chicago has tough gun laws and they haven't been effective the way he wants to impose them on the rest of the country. it wasn't politically convenient for him to make those comments after the shootings in chicago. he wants to build on this shooting to make his political case. he's the one who said this ought to be politicized. bill: more news out of oregon as we get it. martha: we track hurricane joaquin as it slams the bahamas. plus there is this. >> the russians will begin to fly combat missions in that
mission not just to target isis but to prop up assad. bill: what does he say today about that situation? martha: a stare-down at the united nations. benjamin netanyahu saying there is utter silence in the threats from tehran. >> the jewish people have learned the effects of silence. as prime minister, i refuse to be silent.
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>> i did not intend to imply in any way that work is political. of course, it is not. >> but that's not what you have said. >> the point i was trying to make. that committee toys get the truth out. what happened within the truth, we found out about the server. this committee's sole purpose is to find the truth while four americans were killed that night. bill: did he do himself of any favors. >> i think tef tried to clean up the mess. i think his comments stand from his first interview. clinton is using that as ammunition. i'm sure you will see that in the next fundraising letter. it's so unfortunate and i think the trey gowdy who has been so diligent in his work on benghazi, i think they suffer from these comments. bill: he went to gowdy and
apologized. juan, how do you see it? >> he spoke the truth. we are not learning much about benghazi. what we are learning is about hillary's emails and sidney blumenthal. traffic tickets, i don't even know if they are her traffic tickets. it's an effort to reduce hillary clinton's favorability numbers before the election. she said seven times -- she testified seven times. bill: does this affect the committee's work at all? >> i hope it doesn't. when you look at cheryl mills. she told trey gowdy, you are being respectful and professional. she even thanked the committee. that's what trey gowdy and
republicans have tried to do. get to the bottom line of what happened in benghazi. there has been so much destruction from the government and state department by not disclosing the information and emails they needed. bill:, does it affect the committee work gowdy is doing? >> he can go on, but it affects the political impact. you can imagine the clinton people using this in a campaign ad. and i think it changes the atmosphere around it so people say, is this about a political effort to bring down hillary clinton? we haven't learned anything about benghazi. martha: breaking news involving the deadly crash of an american military plane that went down in afghanistan. the taliban claimed responsibility. but the u.s. air force is telling a slightly different story.
martha: investigators are looking for clues that could lead them to the massacre that happened minneapolis roseburg, oregon. you have witnesses saying the gunman asked the victims if they were christian before he began firing and dealt deadly blows to those who said yes they were. bill gavin is a forker f.b.i. director. he's very qualified to join us on this today. welcome. here we go again. the purpose for digging into these people's lives is to try to figure out any threat, to figure out something that could stop more of these from happening in the future. the president went to the gun
control issue on this. he has not spent a lot of time talking about mental health. what stands out for you? >> what stands out to the degree we know what they have done, the fact that he visited ira sites and nazi sites, if he's visited isis or al qaeda, nobody knows or maybe they know and they are just not saying. this individual has severe psychological problems. but what disturbs me is he's been doing this for a while. somebody had to see the signs. if in fact his mother watched him on the computer, heard his
ranting and ravings, why didn't she do something about it. >> we see such similar patterns in these killers and the numbers have risen and it is terrifying. one person every five weeks gets killed in one of these school shootings when he extrapolate the numbers across the board. but the things they have in common, a lack of getting your life together. he's 26 years old, living at home, spending time on social media, he's on a dating site. it doesn't appear anyone responded to him. how about the isolation of how people live their lives in the social universe. can we find answers to why this happens? >> nobody can reach in from the outside. it has to start probably in the
home, with a roommate. somewhere along those lines. that's where it has to stop. i have a problem from what they dug out of the data so far. if the night before he was ranting and social media and somebody was urging him on. i suggest that person or persons who did something like that do have a huge legal problem and open themselves to prosecution. if those things were observed, they need to be brought to somebody's attention. the old adage if you see something, say something. it's not going to be where the government can reach in and see what everybody is doing on the computer. >> the people who are closest to them need to speak up and figure out if there is a way to stop these things. a lot more to come on this. good to have you here.
bill: hurricane joaquin is as monster shredding the bahamas. but where will the storm go next. martha: russia taking the lead in the middle east and tipping the balance. senator marco rubio predicted this would happenn a couple weeks ago in the debate. >> nations in that's region, saudi arabia, turn ski, jordan, they say america, we have had a tough time getting them to do anything meaningful under barack obama. russia would be a good partner to work with.
the c130 killed six american airmen and five civilian contractors traveling with them. they were assigned to 754th expeditionary squadron. the taliban claimed they shot the plane out of the sky, but an air force spokesman says there is no evidence air fire was involved. bill: russian fighter jets bombing target as president putin has diplomatic talks in paris. it appears putin is going after opponents of bashar al-assad. can the pentagon confirm russia attacked any isis targets? >> reporter: the pentagon says
there is no evidence the russian airstrikes have destroyed or targeted isis targets. instead they are trying to get rid of assad's political enemies, including those getting help from the cia. but they have failed to say how they will defend the cia-backed rebels. >> you are talking about a specific case and we don't have that situation right in front of us. >> reporter: officials are refusing to call out russian for singling out cia-backed rebels. they said any friend of ours that are killed are the result of russian targeting that are indiscriminate. bill: are we still flying
planes? >> reporter: it appears the plan has changed even though the pentagon said we have not altered the operations in syria. the u.s. has been averaging 8 airstrikes a day. but on the first day of russian involvement u.s. launched one. martha: senator marco rubio clearly predicted this situation we are seeing in syria. you heard peter doocy giving us the update. the white house claimed anyone who has been hit on the ground is an indiscriminate attack on the part of vladimir putin and the russians. >> that's absurd. vladimir putin is deliberately targeting all the non-isis rebels. if he can wipe out all the
non-isis element on the ground in syria then they can turn to the world and say here is your choice, isis or assad because there is no one left. that's what he's doing. he's trying to thin out the opposition so the on opposition left to assad is isis. at that point he will be able to force the world to support assad. that's what he's doing and i don't see why the white house and the president's administration don't understand that. martha: we heard about the need to back moderate rebels in syria. the white house talked about the need to help them in a myriad of way over the past several years. it appears vladimir putin sized up the situation as you accurately said in the past most recent debate and looked at the situation and said look, the united states isn't doing anything here. there is no reason for me not go in and defend assad.
>> if you look at that region, this will sound absurd to your viewers. but there are a lot of people who believe the youth is supporting isis and created isis. it's a conspiracy theory and absurd but it's taking root in the mind of a lot of people. they are saying what you are doing now is not real american air power. that's why it's important to not just do a better job of targeting isis. but also winning the confidence of the people on the ground we are trying to work with. that's what creates the space for putin to step in and try to replace us. he has been very cunning about it and this administration has been incompetent about it. martha: let's play the sound bite for the folks at home. >> you have to have an understanding what russia and putin are doing. he wants to reposition russia as a geopolitical force.
this is wall see in the next few weeks. the russians will start flying combat missions not just to target isis but to prop up assad. >> there was no reason to have air combat missions in syria except to prop up assad. it's to nung the united states out of its role. he wants russia to be an equal around the world. they can't do that economically. because russian economy is smaller than italy so you have to do it militarily. martha: we are basically pitted against russia. russia is trying to get rid of those who want to topple assad, and we are there to knock out isis. if they are truly knock out the people we are backing, you can only manage what is going through the minds of these moderate syrians in small
numbers these days and the cia-backed people who have been trained when they are look up into the sky and they have russian bombers coming in at them and they are saying, where is the united states? are we going to step it up to defend them? are we then at war with russia? >> the reason why the non-islammist rebels are so small in numbers is because the administration took too long. by the time they got around to it. a lot of people are dead or have been forced into exile. create a safe zone within syria. the area protected on the ground and from the air. and from that spot this is where the rebel groups can help organize themselves. it can also be a place where refugees can go to instead of making that dangerous journey into the area.
this administration has no strategy. when i read that they were caught off guard and surprised by what putin did, i shake my head. i don't understand how that can be true. martha: donald trump is saying about you and jeb bush. let's put up the number for the rcp average. you are slightly ahead of jeb bush. he says you guys hate each other. they hate each other more than anyone hates their neighbor. >> he don't know what he's talking about. i have great admiration for jeb bush. i'm not running against him, i'm running for the office. you don't have to hate the people you are running against. i admire burke and we are friends. but we are come pet -- i admire bush, and we are friends. martha: what is trump trying to do. >> i have no idea. who knows what donald is trying to do, who cares.
i'm running for president and i'm focused on the future of our country. bill: benjamin netanyahu made a moment at the united nations. his fiery comments on the iran nuke deal followed by an icy silent stare for the delegates. martha: plus a wild and bump i ride for passengers on board one flight. >> my hands were shake. it was scary for the few seconds it lasted. >> it's scary, especially when you have your family on board.
millions of jews, iran's ruler promises to destroy my country, murder my people, and the response from this body, the response from nearly every one of the governments represented here has been absolutely nothing. utter silence. deafening silence. bill: he held that moment for 45 seconds after a powerful warning as you heard on the dangers of the iran nuclear deal. what did you think of that moment? >> it was pretty dramatic. bb netanyahu never disappoints.
he always has a good dramatic moment to emphasize the point. cnn and others were just set with netanyahu because he didn't go in to talk about the news of the day of syria and russia. he focused on the iran deal. but it makes sense. this is still a linkerring issue. so many people think the iranians have already disarmed and we got this iranian deal and all is good. we are just beginning. if we don't get proper inspections to know the iranians are telling the truth, we have to have absolute specific details confirmed by the iaea and the international community that all of the commitment that the iranians are made have true. we don't know that. i'm actually secure in the fact that iranians always cheat, they will never be able to do with
they committed to do. we have to be vigilant to make sure we immediately say you didn't even commit the words. bill: i heard you a break the news samantha power was not there. >> she got specific instructions to not go to the u.n. for the netanyahu speech. that's remarkable when she is told don't even sit in the seat. so they have some phoney reason that she had another meeting to attend to. but when you are the u.n. ambassador and israel speaks at the u.n., a place that is super hostile to the israelis. the is reallies are not allowed to sit on the security council. they are told you are not allowed to serve on a specific committee. our u.n. ambassador needs to show up and sit there for the speech and slow that we are
linds them. bill: i heard you have say john kerry want there either. >> he was in town and he should have been there. but it's less likely a secretary of state level is going to sit there. bill: mr. obama and mr. netanyahu will meet in washington in october. how will that go? >> we'll see john kerry meet with bb netanyahu. i think what you will see finally netanyahu and the israelis will come around and take the package of military hardware. they resisted that because they didn't want to have a deal on the iranian deal. but today netanyahu is forced. he will have to take that package in case the iranians try to do something. bill: he delivers powerful speeches. is that the most powerful you
believe you have heard from him? >> it's one of the most powerful and certainly one of the most dramatic. bill: does it make a difference? >> we have got to focus on the iranians making their commitments real. the israelis know they won't do that. martha: a brand-new monthly jobs report is out. it's not going over too well on wall street. how bad are these numbers. bill: looking for a motive leading to new calls for gun laws. bill o'reilly says that's not the answer. a fair and balanced debate on this comment. >> you are going to deny me protection if i live in a rural area like douglas county oregon where the nearest cop is 40 miles away. i can't have a gun in house to protect my family?
we have a brand-new monthly jobs report. the unemployment rate holding steady. 5.1%. but factor in the millions of part time of and under employed workers in this economy and the real unemployment number comes in at 10%. that's a pretty big number. meanwhile wall $street reacting strongly to this. the dow down 243 points. melissa, good morning. what are you reading into this? >> really bad numbers. we added 142,000 jobs.
economists were look to for above 200,000. but they revised down. martha: you ghoatly number, but when they are bump down the previous numbers, that's a bad line. >> within that there were other bad numbers like the number of hours worked slipped, wages slipped. all kinds of signs of weakness. so it's surprisingly bad report given that we just saw the gdp number for the second quarter revised higher. it looks like the economy is strong, why aren't we seeing any more jobs? >> it gives you a lot of pause there are a lot of jobs that aren't coming back. the economy changed over the downturn. i was at a conference and they were talking about the number of jobs that have permanently gone away. if you are training and learning to do things that are more
automated where there are many more robots out there in factories and for some people who are unemployed they are permanently unemployed. if you are 55 or 60 you don't want to retrain in something else. martha: i saw them testing out a taxi cab that doesn't have a driver. it points to all of that automation and how much the economy has changed. the labor participation rate is something that changed over the last 7 years. >> it's at its lowest level since october of 1977. a lot of people dropping out of the workforce. more men than women dropping out. they say part of what make this number look stronger than it is, there are more women and men in the workforce. it's a dangerous conversation because you look at places like mcdonalds where they are automating and it pushes them
into that automation even faster. it's a tough, tough market. i would say you need to retrain. you need to teach your kid to do jobs that will be here in the future or go into business for yourself. martha: which is tough. thank you very much, melissa. >> i wish i had better news, i'm sorry. bill: this store is huge and apparently in no hurry. what you kinds a monster, tearing through the bahamas. chaos after a school shooting, 10 people dead, including the gunman. we'll talk about the shooting and the moment the professor screamed for everybody to get >> everybody was running he where. >> what was going through your mind. >> hope i make it.
emerging on ore upon college mass you are. >> gunman taking lives of nine people. he wounded seven others before being killed. witnesses saying that he was singling out victims. he targeted christians. and then executed them. welcome everybody, brand new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm martha maccallum. >> i'm bill hemmer. good morning. that gunman barging into a classroom reportedly telling students to get on floor, before asking them one by one, stand up to state their religion. those christian apparently singled out for death. witnesses, police scanner traffic describing horrible scene. >> it was middle of class. i was taking notes. all of sudden there was a loud pop and only way i can describe it, sounded like a ruler smacking against a chalk board. so i didn't really think it was like a gunshot. >> somebody is outside one of the doors, shooting through the door. there is female in the computer lab. we do have one female that has been shot at one time.
>> i looked out the window. there were a couple barrels sprinting away from the building. i hear screaming after the first gun shot. >> you read it about in newspapers. see it on tv just so much more different when you're there. >> joining us on the phone is mccray kidleman a student at umpqua community college. he was there when happened. good morning. we're glad to have you with us this morning. i know it has been a very, very rough 24 hours for you. how are you doing? >> good. better now. >> good talk to me a little bit. tell us where you were, what your experience was yesterday. >> well i was in a building couple hundred yards from where it was. i was in tutoring center with 20 plus students. we were all sitting in the teacher's room in the back. it was all calm my teacher, mike ran into the room top of his
lungs get down, get into the back room, hide and stay quiet. >> what went through your mind? what did you hear after that? >> well, at first i thought it could have been a drill maybe since we had one in a while but i know they do that there. i was going wit. i remained calm. i thought it would be over soon. because also one of the reasons i thought it was a drill. there were no shots at all. we didn't hear anything. no warning. no gunshots, no nothing. >> what happened then in terms of how you exited the building? at any point what did you see from the other building when you came out? >> well we all, after about, i was sitting and hiding in the back room for about 15 minutes to an hour, we finally emerged when a state patrol officer came out. okay for a bag check. we looked out, quiet and freakishly ghost-like campus
there ever was. >> so when you came out, how did you get the information and knowledge of what had happened? what was your response? >> we had been sitting in the room for about 50 minutes. then the other students started getting on smartphones and looking up, it showed there was gun man on campus reported shooting and people had been shot. i started getting a lot more worried. seen it was a lot more serious than anything i had ever been through or thought. started looking around. growing up in kind of a tougher family than most people, what i did, was after that, just tried to comfort those around me, making sure they wouldn't panic. they were extremely freaked out. >> you were just trying to keep everybody calm who was around you? >> yeah. closest people to me. as many as i could talk to without being too loud. >> we heard from so many students and people that were there, that they have seen these things happen on television but
what is so different about it? everybody listening hopes they never go through what you had to go through there but what was different about it when it happened where you go to school? >> well, just for many years as i had known and been there it has been completely free and, violence free and happy campus. it is beautiful there. there has not been any loud noises. it has been all peaceful. everybody there gets along and friendships. everyone gets along with their teachers. extremely surprising anything like this happened near there. >> do you know any of the victims personally, mccray? i haven't looked at names. i don't know yet. >> all the best to you. we're very sorry that you had to go through this. >> thank you. >> our thoughts with everybody that is sufficienting out -- suffering out there. we're looking at vigils with cameras we've seen far too many
times across campuses in the country. thank you for calling in. take care. >> thank you. >> they were lucky to have him at that moment. strong young man showing his strength clearly. >> too often, right. >> some victims, wounded. one in critical condition. we'll get you back when we get more information. meantime a lot more going on today. breaking news, we're learning this morning more russian warplanes bombing syrian targets. meanwhile tense talks between russian president vladmir putin an european leaders in paris. the white house, its allies have been scrambling to figure out their next move even though they have known for some time that russia was build up a military presence in syria. chris wallace, anchor of "fox news sunday." this will be a topic over the weekend, chris. good morning to you. what is your sense what is happening here, what the next move is here, what the administration is doing and saying and i guess gaining
knowledge about now? >> the key is, vladmir putin it's up to him. he is in the driver's seat. he is deciding what he is doing with very little regard to apparently what the european allies meeting with today think or what president obama thinks after their meeting for what, 9minutes at u.n. earlier this week. the fact is, putin has launched military strikes, airstrikes. he said he was going in with that military build up to go after isis but he is attacking completely different part of the country in the west where a new coalition called the army of conquest, which is a combination of some islamic groups like the al nusra front which is an offshoot of al qaeda but also some secular, non-religious, just anti-assad rebels have been making some progress. this is the kind of the strong hold of assad. this seems to be an effort much more to prop up the client of
the russians bashar al-assad, then it does to take out isis. bill: what is your, everybody says it was surprise. what is your sense on that when you reflect on a 90-minute meeting with putin earlier in the week? we know russians are building up military in western part of the syria. hard to disguise hundreds of fighters going to syria as well. is it the truth we actually knew this was happening but we weren't sure of his next move and we had very little power to stop it in the end? >> well there are certainly a couple of those things are true. we knew that the military buildup was going on. i don't know, because i wasn't there, although lord knows i liked to have been what putin told obama but i can't imagine if he said, look i'm coming in and i will bo after the anti-assad rebels the united states wouldn't have responded. almost worse to have what we have here, which putin ignored the u.s., ignored his meeting with obama and apparently this
was revealed to the u.s. by a russian three-star general in baghdad who knocked on the door at the u.s. embassy on tuesday, i guess it was an informed them we're going to start an attack, airstrikes in an hour, within an hour you ought to get out of the way. can't be much more humiliating than the u.s. than that. so i can't imagine that is the cover story. bill: how are you getting at the story of the weekend? do you have a good sense of that yet? >> yeah. we'll be talking first of all to one of our great resources here at fox, general jack keane, a fox military advisor. he of course was the vice-chair of the u.s. army. retired four-star general and you know, really an expert in this part of the world. architect of the u.s. surge in iraq in 2007. we'll also be talking to perhaps the preeminent u.s. diplomat in that part of the world over the last 10 or 20 years, ryan crocker. he of course was the u.s. ambassador in iraq and afghanistan and in syria and he
has been very critical, he says that we've had a weak hand and we played it badly and putin is, basically doing what he wants to do in that part of the world, filling vacuum. bill: crocker knows it as well as anybody. chris, looking forward to that. chris wallace, check him out on sunday this week and chris talks with jason chaffetz, chair of the oversight committee. they have a lot to talk about. the news breaks over the weekend. sunday with wallace and others. check the local fox fill at for coverage there. thank you, chris. martha: let's get latest on predicted path of hurricane joaquin shifting at this moment. the category 4 storm, drifting north looking less likely to make landfall in the united states which is of course good news, but it is the water and potential flooding that have gotten us before. so we'll be keeping coast eye on that. meteorologist maria molina is live in the fox weather center with more what we can expect.
hi, maria. >> hi, martha, you're absolutely correct. looks like the storm is finally making a northward turn we'll been anticipating. looks less likely we'll see landfall for storm. there will be other impacts i mention in just a moment but i want to point out across the central bahamas, this storm is battering area. maximum stained winds at 130 miles per hour. it could produce as much as 25 inches of rain. flooding a huge concern across the central bahamas. they have been dealing with a life-threatening situation more than 24 hours. tough to understand what it must be like across central bahamas right now, still moving slowly, three miles an hour. these conditions con throughout the rest of morning and throughout the afternoon before the storm pulls away from the bahamas. our thoughts with people who are caught out here. models finally coming into better agreement out here.
we think it should stay east of the u.s. but still brings all kinds of impacts. one of the impacts is beach erosion and coastal flooding. warnings in coastal areas and mid-atlantic and parts of new england because of that concern. it will be more serious during high tide. the other concern we could potentially looking at historic flooding event across the carolinas. forecasts are all over the place but consistently bringing flooding rain and across parts of carolina. a lot of moisture getting fed into the carolinas. some models bringing in more than a foot of rain, martha. martha: lots to keep in mind. thanks very much. bill: will we protect u.s.-trained rebels on the ground now? martha: plus another hack attack. this one hitting millions of cell phone users.
so who is at risk? bill: immediate wake in the oregon rampage is the president being selective in his outrage? our panel will debate that in a moment. first, here is bill o'reilly. >> you doesn't even mention the carnage in chicago. you do mention individual thinks like what happened in oregon. chicago is like, doesn't exist even though this is your turf, your hometown. you're the guy who was there. so i don't understand any of that i don't get any of it.
bill: another hack attack. t-mobile announcing about 15 million who filled out credit applications may have had personal information stolen. hackers hack ad database run by credit tracking firm experian. they ran a statement that hackers did not get access to banking information but has notified law enforcement at u.s. and international level. >> the pentagon is weighing options in syria in the wake of russian airstrikes that targeted rebel groups backed by the united states. so here we are. senator marco rubio last hour with us here on "america's newsroom" on why he thinks vladmir putin is trying to do this in syria. >> he is trying to thin out the opposition so that the only opposition left in syria to assad is isis. and at that point he will be able to force the world to support assad.
and that is what he is doing. i don't understand why the white house doesn't see it and why the president and his administration doesn't understand that? martha: general jack keane, retired four-star general, chairman of institute of study of war and fox news military analyst who has been briefing congress on this issue as well. good morning, general. >> good morning, martha. martha: unbelievable turn of events here and basically people we trained and the side we've supposedly backing albeit pretty light measure is getting hit directly by putin, no? >> yes, that is absolutely true and i totally agree with senator rubio's conclusion. this is all about protecting assad who has been in precarious situation, getting worse for last year. he only controls about 20% of the syria. military are low morale. a lot of refugees are draft age kids running out of syria because they don't want to be part of his military are in the migration flow.
getting back to what you said he is actually doing that, moderate rebels are most threatening to him. they are the people who want a new government. they are the people that were in the streets initially that he hosed down with military fire. we do have options, martha. we don't have to sit on our hands. here's an option. assad, excuse me, russia is bombing a force that we trained. well russia train ad force as well, the military. we should demarche the russians, you attack these forces again we're going to attack syrian military, specifically first target are barrel bomb helicopters. it avoids direct conflict with russia, russian airplanes but does very thing that is realistic option and prudent one to stop what russia is doing. martha: so then what happens? i mean so we go in and we bomb the barrel bomb helicopters which we know have wreaked havoc and bloodshed on the syrian
people. so what comes next? i mean i think a lot of people listen to that, so we're sucked in. we're u.s. versus russia in proxy war in the middle of syria. >> well this is, this is the very point that we've had a problem with the obama administration from the beginning. it is this issue that you just mentioned, the fear of escalation. the fear of confrontation paralyzes this administration from acting, and what we get as a result of that is more overt action. the bedlam in syria has been caused by our not coming to the assistance of the moderates what they had momentum early on before the iranians came all-in with their troops and hezbollah and russians and exodus out of iraq. martha: yeah. >> that fear of escalation and fear of confrontation back then is part of the reason for this bedlam we have now. if we continue to just sit on our hands it will get worse.
martha: it is so extraordinary, you and i talked so many times on this program needing somebody on the ground to call in us air strikes, to coordinate that. one fell swoop, vladmir putin says, yeah, iranian soldiers, get you guys on the ground. you call in russian airstrikes to us tell us exactly where we need to hit. you have an alliance that is clearly formed between russia, iran and syria. that is a pretty formidable force and makes vladmir putin argument for rebuilding the soviet union something that looks quite feasible. >> absolutely. right now as we speak hezbollah fighters are being increased inside of syria. iranian quds force are being increased. they will join the syrian military which had serious problems in launching offensive operations. they have been largely defensive and and ad that losing. this will permit them to conduct more operations supported by very precise russian air power.
russian pilots, russian planes are considerably better than what assad has. they will make operations more effective. they will push back the rebels to guarranty the preservation of the assad regime. that is in front of juice we've got to go. what is likelihood we step it up the way you're arguing for? >> we should also do free zones for refugees and rebel forces. likelihood is next to nothing. martha: general keane, thank you. >> sad as it is. bill: next to nothing. learning from superstorm sandy, millions up and down the east coast bracing for flooding as joaquin batters bahamas and starts to make a move to the north. clearer picture of gunman in oregon school shooting. neighbors and family talking about what they knew of the shooter before the deadly spree. >> i'm shaking right now. i don't even know what to say. say thank you?
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martha: some terrifying moments aboard one american airlines flight from grenada to miami. the plane encountered major turbulence. officials say flight 982 landed at miami international airport without incident. only a few passengers had mine more injuries. boy, they had a lot to say about the flight. bill: we're learning more about the gunman in shooting in oregon. chris harper mercer grew up in southern california, still has family. speaking from their home, mercer's family say violence was entirely out of character. neighbors, speak a different story. jonathan hunt tracking down live in l.a. what more do we know about his family, jonathan? >> reporter: we're told, bill, chris harper mercer was born in the u.k. and moved here as a very young boy with his parents,
moved to the l.a. area. his father still lives here. he spoke to reporters last night expressing, as you can imagine, his extreme shock at what his son had apparently done. >> don't want to answer any questions right now. don't want to answer any questions right now. obviously has been devastating day. devastating for me and my family. all i ask, i know you guys are here to do your job. all i ask, please respect our privacy. so far you've done that. okay. shocked. shocked is all i can say. >> reporter: we heard similar emotions from christopher harper mercer's stepsister. listen again. >> i'm shaking right now. i don't even know what to say. >> sound right to you? sound like something -- >> no. no, it doesn't sound right. >> reporter: now it appears that christopher harper mercer was closest to his mother. he had apparently moved from the
l.a. area to oregon with her. was extremely close to her. interesting to note, bill, we have not yet heard from his mother. bill? bill: wow, let's get clues about a motive. what can we report today, jonathan? >> reporter: obviously investigators looking very hard for a motive right now. and frankly there is nothing that they have shared with us which would give us any definitive sense of why he did what he did. you're looking here at a myspace page that christopher harper mercer ran. on that, photos of him holding a rifle and a lot of pictures, perhaps strangely of the irish republican army. now his former neighbors here in the l.a. area have also been talking about him. they said simply he used to use gun as lot and liked to dress up in military-style clothing. listen here. >> i did see him at the time walking, leaving his apartment, coming home with what looked like gun cases, him and his mom
both. he actually did say he used to go shooting at some range. >> he wore combat boots. very distinctly i remember combat boots and camo. military uniform almost. >> reporter: christopher harper mercer also had a profile on a dating website. on that, one of the things that listed as a dislike, bill, was organized religion. bill? bill: more certainly to come from that. jonathan hunt, thank you. putting clues together there in los angeles. martha. martha: millions are bracing for the ramifications of hurricane waa keen out there. it is a monster storm. may not make landfall in the u.s. but that doesn't mean the water or flooding threat has passed. bill: there is new proof that russia is making dire situation in syria even worse by the day. the chairman of the armed services committee joins us in a moment. we'll talk to him about all that. but first, mike huckabee,
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martha: hurricane joaquin childrenning out there in the atlantic right now. the path of this category 4 storm has historied away from the east coast but millions are bracing for water impact of this storm. jonathan serrie in kill devil hills, north carolina. jonathan, how are conditions where you are right now? >> reporter: martha, it is surprising the hurricane is way out at sea, not expected to make landfall near here, there is
pounding surf and heavy winds. the main concern in the carolinas this seemingly incessant rain causing spotty flooding throughout the state. much of the state of north carolina is unde the governor declaring a state of emergency in all 100 counties here in north carolina. listen. >> what we do know is that the current weather systems will bring substantial rain to north carolina during the next few days. this is most of north carolina. this in addition to the soaking that we have experienced already over the past week. >> reporter: meanwhile in neighboring south carolina street flooding is reported in several low-lying neighborhoods in charleston. as precaution, charleston city and county offices are closed today along with public schools and universities in that area. martha? martha: what are the residents doing there to get ready for this? >> reporter: as a precaution, martha, many residents have been stocking up on groceries just in
case there are flood related power outages. in the city of charlotte, north carolina, crews are clearing tree branches and other debris from creeks to prevent them from backing up in all the heavy rains. >> if this creek were to experience two inches of rain in an hour, if this debris was here, this water would come over the road and the road would have to be shut down. >> reporter: emergency officials are urging drivers not to drive through standing water if they can't see the road because you never know how deep floodwaters are. martha. martha: that is great point. jonathan, thank you. bill: more breaking news now out of syria overnight. russian warplanes hitting targets in the western part of the country. u.s. senators calling out president obama after russia launches airstrikes against the groups who oppose the assad regime and not against isis. this is a mess. republican congressman mac thornberry, texas, chairman of
house armed services committee. my guest from the hill. good morning to you. we'll get to the next move in a moment. follow some logic here. everybody said it was such a surprise russia it did what it did. if it was surprise, shame on us for not knowing beforehand. you had clues along the way. troops build up in western syria. 90-minute meeting between putin and obama earlier in the week. is it likely we knew something was going to go down and did not have the cards to play it to stop it? >> yeah. i mean we could see the things that you talked about. i don't know what putin and obama said but i would even take it a little bigger. we have seen a weak and ininefectual policy bense syria for many months. weak infect wall policy against isis. weak, ininefectual policy against russian aggression. our enemies banding together to exploit the u.s. in retreat.
this may be the beginning of it. bill: many on the senate side are calling for a clear strategy to be given to them through the commander-in-chief. what is your position on that? what would the president say about that? >> yeah. i don't know what el say. of course we ought to have a clear strategy. we'll be having hearings in the armed services committee about a strategy against isis. where do we go from here? what we're doing in syria, et cetera. but remember this has got to come from the top. they may call something a strategy but the question, is it working? clearly nothing is working right now to push back against this aggression we're seeing not only in the middle east but in eastern europe, in asia and elsewhere. bill: you are working right now on a defense bill and it's a big one. how, or what is in that bill that would go towards stablizing what we're watching in syria and western iraq now? >> well, the defense bill that
passed the house yesterday would give the president more tools to use against russia and ukraine against isis in iraq. you know what, bill? it would pay our own troops. unfortunately the president has threatened to veto it, not because he disagrees with anything that is in it, because he wants to hold defense hostage to force congress to give him more money for epa, irs and other domestic programs. bill: is there money in your bill that would train rebels in syria? i think the grand total according to the pentagon is nine. now. >> there is money in our bill that would allow our military to train and equip people in syria but we keep a tight grip on that money so that we can monitor the program and only allow the money to be released when we see the strategy, when we see some success. so it is not just, turning it
over to him. that is one of the tools that we have. we also allow the president to directly equip the kurds and the sunni tribes if the iraqi government doesn't. we provide lethal assistance, well, we provide lethal assistance to ukraine. my point is there are tools we can use but the president doesn't even want to use them. bill: give me a sense how this wind up? do the russians keep assad in power while we take on isis in another part of the country? and ultimately is it assad who survives and eventually the country stablizes again on the back of his long dictatorial leadership in syria? >> i don't know how it comes out. you know, once you get to thinking the middle east can't get any worse it does. think there is no doubt. russia is in there to shore up assad. whether it is he or somebody
else they will be beholden to russia. meanwhile, they may make some action against isis. we do not have effective strategy to battle isis. in fact their ideology is growing. and iranian influence is growing. so that is why i think you see these enemies of ours banding together to exploit u.s. weakness, not just in syria, in iraq and other parts of region. bill: what a treo that is. mac thornberry, thank you for your time from the hill. martha. martha: renewed calls for tighter gun control after the most recent school shooting in oregon and stirred up a lot of controversy. >> if you're going to have the law, enforce it. that will cut down on gun crime right away but it will never stop the individual nuts ever. so let's be honest here about this and stop politicizing it. martha: we'll talk about that, what everybody thinks about it
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bill: all latest headlines out of syria and paris as european leaders get together with vladmir putin. the word from the white house and pentagon of the pentagon is reviewing rules of engagement in syria. that is the word we're getting today. a bit earlier we had words on the screen about u.s. ground troops in syria. that is not the case. just want to clear that up right now as we continue to wait for more headlines on this breaking story. martha: we are learning stories of heroism and bravery emerging from the deadly shooting spree at umpqua community college in oregon. army veteran chris mintz is being hailed a hero today.
he was shot five times during this rampage as he tried to block the door to his classroom. he is expected to survive and go home to his six-year-old son. he was saying it is his son's birthday. he is hero it appears in this story. he wanted to bring your attention to him. meanwhile president obama calling for tighter gun control laws in this country. bill o'reilly responding to that. he is saying it is not issue here. here's bill. >> i have a right to protect myself. all right? because there are crazed animals like the guy in oregon. there are people like that who will come after innocent people for no reason. and you're going to deny me protection? if i live out in a rural area, like douglas county, oregon, with, nearest cop is 40 miles away, i can't have a gun in the house to protect my family? come on.
martha: joined by julie roginsky, fox news contributor, former political advisor to late new jersey senator frank lautenberg. tom sullivan, host of tom sullivan show on fox news radio. welcome to both of you. here we are again essentially and it is back to this discussion that immediately goes to gun control. president came out right away and said, yes, let's politicize this issue. he believes we're not doing enough. there are a ton of laws on books. some of the toughest laws are in places like chicago, tom. >> i was so stunned. i was absolutely stunned. i thought he would out say a victims for the families. martha: our thoughts and prayers are not enough. >> we had no information, very little information what happened other than there was shooting. but usually the president has his reputation of being professorial and very thoughtful and gives thought to everything. instead he was angry, he was emotional and if that is the way this man makes decisions, i'm more concerned than i was before.
martha: did he jump the gun so to speak, julie? you think back to henry lewis gates moment, came out right away, fired up in the moment, blaming cambridge police saying they did basically a dumb thing. in the michael brown case, trayvon martin case, very quick and emotional to express his feelings, deep feelings on his issues, turned out so many of cases not exactly way he sought it in the beginning? >> i'm angry and emotional, most people this country this happens every other day we have mass shooting in country. that is not time to talk about, when is right time. happens all the time. there is never a good time to talk about, because -- martha: nobody -- nobody say -- >> it doesn't happen all the time. >> excuse me mass shooting in this country statistically every other day if every other day. >> most of those are gangs in the weekend. where is the president talking on monday talking about more people killed last weekend in oregon.
>> tom, we all agree, you and i probably agree with this, let me speak for myself. i can't speak for you, yes we need more laws on books. need to close things like gun show loophole. ban high caliber clip. stop every murder no? you will say this to you, if i want to blow up dirty bomb in sometimes square, i'm committed to doing it but i might find a way to do it. entire departments dedicate to that preventing. nothing to prevent this happening. >> president talked about tremendous effort against terrorism, we need that. he wants to see tremendous us effort against these killings. he spoke after sandy hook, toxic cocktail exists in some of these individuals minds that it's a mental health issue. it is an access to a gun issue. we know that in many of these cases, these people got their guns in a way most of these laws would not prevent people are asking for. you know, third issue, violent
video games issue wrapped into sandy hook discussion, we see continually emerging again and again. you talk about the fact nobody wants to talk about this. nobody wants to talk about, julie. nobody wants to talk about it. >> that is the elephant in the room. mental health. >> can we walk and chew gum at the same time? can we address mental health issue? martha: we're not addressing it. >> nobody is addressing gun control either. that is the problem. >> mental health, there is all kinds of ways to kill people and gun violence is by the way, way way down. if you take a look at fbi crime statistics 80% of the gun violence is gangs. it is not, thing about -- >> what is your point? >> cdc somewhere between 15 and 30 people killed a year in some sort of mass killings in this country. for the last 20 years it has been that average and that is smaller than sweden, switzerland and -- >> wait a second are you telling us we have lower rate of gun murder in this country than anybody else in the developed
world. >> not everybody else. but a number of other country. >> give me a break -- >> don't mean to get the facts into this. >> you're facts are 100% incorrect. some other facts. place with stronger gun control laws we have lower rates of gun death. martha: what about chicago julie? that is fact. martha: no, chicago has very strict gun laws. >> you can't have a gun. >> guns are coming from in chicago? coming from places that have no gun control laws whatsoever. >> crack down on interstate commerce of guns. you want to really do something ramp up mental health. >> i don't i disagree. >> you have somebody with mental health issue you can't get them help. >> can you not walk and chew gum. can't you concede there is gun epidemic. we should attempt to do both. >> common sense gun laws. what are the common sense gun laws. >> first of all background checks for everybody. >> we already have that.
>> i can walk into a gun show. >> that is a falsehood. >> it is not a false hood. i can give you statistics. i can buy stuff on internet without having a background check. give me a break. martha: nobody sticks around to hear what happens later how the people got their guns. time and time again we find out ways -- >> throw up our hands wait for the next one to happen. martha: we don't want to wait for anything. we want to get serious about mental health. combination of issues are nexus we see time and time again. that is what issue is. seems to get lost in the shuffle every time. thank you very much, tom and julie. bill: hot stuff. more to come. jon scott coming up on "happening now." what are you cooking up today, jon? >> that is the big story of the day, bill. we have latest on the massacre in oregon with fox team coverage. what we learned about the shooter's background and possible mental state. new polling on race for white house. hillary clinton holds the lead and dow take as hit on
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spectacular are showing it is battered place. looks like it had really violent beginning. it is kind of an alien landscape. bill: they describe a canyon four times the size of the grand canyon. >>'s right. one of the biggest features they have seen now this is grander canyon if you will. it is a thousand miles long. it almost goes around the entire moon surface. one scientist says if the surface split open. that is something we're not expecting to see at all. bill: what are they learning from something like this. took nine years to get there. that is a road trip. >> one of the things they're learning, pluto and sharon, this moon system are a strange setup. it is the largest moon in relation to its planet in our solar system. what they think it is kind of glean how this moon formed. how close it is, in terms of what it is made of to pluto. and, you know, the there are
signs of also sighs come kind knows -- signs of ice volcanoes. give them idea of active place. bill: tariq, do you consider pluto a planet? growing up i did. what about now? >> all of us grew up with nine planets. the my daughter is six. it is definitely not a planet to her. i think pluto is interesting world, whatever we call it, isn't like the most important thing to actually getting there and seeing it with these pictures. bill: fair point. have a good weekend. tariq malik from space.com. thanks. martha. martha: it's a planet in case you're wondering. all right, we have new he details coming up still emerging this morning about the awful event of yesterday afternoon. shooting spree at a community college campus in oregon. are authorities any closer to figuring out why? so jill, i know the markets have taken a hit lately. mmm hmm.
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bill: i mean, your timing was perfect. martha: busy day today. bill: who knows what happens with joaquin over the weekend. martha: happy friday though. we'll keep an eye on it and see you back here on monday. bye, everybody. jenna: fox news alert. searching for answers one day after a mass killing, a gunman opening fire at a community college in oregon. hello, i'm jenna lee. jon: i'm jon scott. the shooter, identified as 26-year-old chris harper mercer, he was shot and killed by police. taking the lives of nine people, injuring at least seven others. we're expecting to learn more two hours from now. as it stands, the shooter's mote e remains un-- motive remains unclear. survivors say the shooter demanded his victims state their religion before shooting them. one witness describes the horror.