tv Justice With Judge Jeanine FOX News October 4, 2015 1:00am-2:01am PDT
that is our show. see you next week. [applause] thises a torrential, unrelenting rain and floods batter parts of the east coast. we have live team coverage. and the investigation is on. after what looked like a tragic mistake in afghanistan, a doctors without border clinic blown up in a u.s. air strike. "justice" starts now.
"justice." i'm judge jeanine. thanks for being with us for what a busy night of breaking news. my opening statement a little later in the show. right now we're following three major stories. president obama expressing condolences tonight to dozens feared killed followingen air strike by u.s. forces in affect. a doctors without boarders hospital was hit. the u.s. army is on scene investigating how this happened. and a frantic search through dangerous waters for a missing cargo ship with more than 30 people on board. the ship was being battered by hurricane joaquin when it van cared that's where we begin tonight. joaquin is on the move and janice dean is tracking its every move and watching major flooding on the east coast. good evening, janice. >> hi, judge. at one point this afternoon, we had close to a category 5 storm. 155-mile-per-hour sustained winds. a life threatening hurricane.
now we're at category 4 with 145-mile-per-hour winds, starting to move northeast quickly at 17 miles per hour. thankfully, moving away from land, or at least the bahamas at this point. we were at 155, category 5 is at 157. so a very powerful storm system. you mentioned the flooding across the southeast. part of the reason is we've got hurricane joaquin and a low pressure center. because of the winds around the hurricane and that low pressure funneling in all of that moisture into south carolina, north carolina, up towards the mid-atlantic. also watching bermuda that could come very close to hurricane joaquin tomorrow night into monday, watching that very carefully. the warm waters help strengthen the storm, but as it continues to move north and east ward, the storm will weaken and move quickly to the north and east. but all eyes on bermuda tomorrow
afternoon at this time. there are your tropical models. a few of them making landfall across bermuda. there is your forecast radar. again, judge, we have all of this moisture pounding the southeast coast. historic rainfall in some cases close to 16 inches. on top of that, we could see 8 to 12 inches as we head into sunday, monday, and tuesday. back to you. >> all right. janice dean, thank you. joaquin's fury is to blame for a mystery at sea tonight. a cargo ship vanished during its trip. the ship is called "the el pharaoh" and is approximately 790 feet long. it's carrying 33 people, 28 of them americans. the u.s. coast guard has spent all day looking for any sign of the vessel, and just within the past hour, we received word that a life ring from the ship has been found. the coast guard says the ship
was close to the eye of joaquin, near the bahamas when it disappeared. with me now is captain mark fidor, chief of response for the coast guard's seventh district. thank you for being with us. >> you're welcome. >> all right. what can you tell us, what is the latest? >> the latest is, we've been searching pretty aggressively for two days looking for the ship, and this afternoon, late this afternoon, we did identify a life ring with the name of "el pharaoh" on it. it was located about 70 miles to the northeast of the vessel's last known position. so we don't know exactly what this means, because sometimes ships can lose life rings, but it helps us recalibrate our search effort, knowing we're looking in the right place. >> if i'm a family member, is that good news? >> it's good news in that it helps validate our search effort. we were frustrated today that we did not locate the vessel.
we were hopeful to do that today. >> captain, what we're hearing is that this vessel went out to sea when there was a tropical storm, but we knew that something serious was coming. should this ship have been out there with that possibility of this hurricane category 4 joaquin and the wind? >> we're not sure of the decisions the captain made. we know they left jacksonville tuesday evening enroute to san juan to arrive on friday. they became disabled thursday morning when we received an emergency alert distress from them. that's when we started looking for them. >> all right. with the scenario, with the conditions now, i know it's evening now, but should you be able to see more? are you close enough to the body of water, the area where you believe the ship is? do you have an idea where the
vessel is? >> yesterday, we were unable to get to the last known position of the vessel, because hurricane joaquin was sitting right on that position. we couldn't get close enough. we tried to bring our aircraft in as close as possible. we flew them down to 2,000 feet to get as low as possible, but they couldn't approach it. today, we were able to get closer and joaquin moved north, we moved in behind it. we were able to get our aircraft down to 500 feet. but even within 50 miles of the storm, they were still encountering 100-mile-an-hour winds at quarter mile visibility. so very damage rouse conditions. so even though we searched that last known position, the search conditions are very, very challenging. >> the last contact was that the ship was listing, i believe 15 degrees, that it was taking on water. given the 300 or so automobile tractor trailers that are on this vessel, that cargo could
move. could a vessel like this actually tip over? is the center of gravity higher? >> so any ship is very vulnerable when it's without propulsion. when they became disabled thursday morning, they were wallowing in the seas. so even a larger ship like this, it's very dangerous. with these heavy winds and heavy sea conditions, it makes them vulnerable to damage from both the seas and winds. they were carrying 391 containers topside and 240 automobiles and trailers beneath. so they had a lot of cargo on board. they were a full load. so the seas were hitting them from the side, so they were in a vulnerable position. >> wow. captain, thanks so much, from the coast guard. thanks for being with us. i am joined now by christine dennison, an ocean explorer. christine, you heard the captain from the coast guard just now.
give us your take on what the rest of the crews are up against. >> i think captain fedor expressed exactly what the conditions are very clearly. they're up against really nasty storm, they're up against huge seas, up against bad weather, and that makes for a very complicated and difficult search pattern. they are following the storm, find thing life raft is a very good sign. at this point, all they can do is wait for the weather to calm down. >> you're familiar with the ocean. you're an ocean explorer. they went out on tuesday night. should they have known the dangers that they would be coming upon given the route they were taking? this isn't 1930. we have an idea, advanced notice of these kinds of storms. >> i agree with you. i know this area, having run several expeditions to this area, and you have water starting at 5,000 feet going down to 15,000 feet. very deep water. there's nowhere to run in this
area. so i would like to think that this captain was -- is a very seasoned captain and knew what his decision was, ultimately we'll find out why he went. but i agree. >> but my understanding is that the company has to give them permission when they go out in a storm like this. >> they do. at the end of the day, it's the captain's call, whether they're going to continue on so he doesn't put his crew at risk. they have found this life raft, which i will say makes sense that they're finding something, which could be good in terms they're following the trajectory of the storm. a life raft is very light. it's going to followinds rather than the currents. >> what about the fact that they had 391 containers on the top of the vessel with automobiles, trailers in them? they could move. what would a 15 degree list do
to that cargo? >> well, if they get caught, which could happen in a rogue wave, that could easily just topple over. it could be turned upside down in a matter of minutes. from what they were experiencing, 40 foot waves, that's a lot of water. >> 115-mile-an-hour gusts and 20 to 30-foot waves. when they talk about this vessel had lifeboats, can a lifeboat even survive in that kind of weather? >> it really depends. some of these vessels will have self-contained lifeboats which if they can deploy them and you can get sailors on board, you can survive for weeks, because these self-containments will have food, water, they'll have some sort of communication. if they're not self-contained and they're just open life rafts, they're just as susceptible to the elements. it's very scary to have to leave a large ship to get on a very small raft and take your chances. i hold out hope just like these
families. >> we're all praying. christine, thank you so much. the cargo ship is owned by a company in puerto rico. i'm joined by the president of that president, tim nolan. thank you for joining us. when was the last time you had contact with this ship? >> last time we had contact was on october 1st, around 7:15 in the morning. >> all right. what did they tell you? >> the captain reported to us by satellite radio he was experiencing a navigation instance. the captain reported his vessel was disabled, and that an access portal popped open, allowing flow of water into the third hole. >> the question that everyone has is why this vessel was allowed to go out in what was a predictable storm? >> well, the storm was monitored
throughout the week. our captain, who has over 20 years experience at sea, 10 years as a master captain, and spent time with us as a captain in the puerto rico trade, sail thing route on a number -- many occasions. the storm had been monitored on his return from puerto rico. he continued to watch the storm while he was in jacksonville. he developed his transit list going south bound with the storm being factored into the plan. then the ship departed tuesday evening, enroute to san juan, puerto rico with what the captain established as a safe passage and route. >> tim, did the company have to give permission in addition to the captain in the conditions that that vessel was going out in? >> judge, we place the trust and confidence in our captains to make that route. we will be in touch with them as
they're going between jacksonville and san juan. >> how old is this vessel, has it had any problems in the past? >> the ship was built in 1975. it's a u.s. flag ship with an american crew. the ship is 790 feet long. it is a sturdy ship. sit a ship that's very well maintained. much confidence in this ship. it served in different trades around north america, and had been serving in this trade for some years. >> what does the fact that they found this life ring tell you, tim? >> well, i think the initial thing, which we noted earlier, that it reflects the ship was caught in extreme weather, rough seas. but it's not indicative of the ship's fate. that helps the coast guard confirm the search area. >> is the company doing anything extra? i know you're bringing the family members together and you set up a website and people are
very grateful for that. but are you doing anything in terms of the search and rescue in addition to the coast guard? >> we are. let me first say that we are working hand in hand with the coast guard and we truly appreciate the valiant efforts they have put forth to help us find the safe return of the crew and bring them back to their family. in addition to that, our -- we also have a few different tugs that have been sent out to the last location. so as you heard throughout the day, the u.s. coast guard, in addition, have put numerous assets in and we'll continue to put those out. >> tim nolan, thank you for being with us. we're all praying, as i'm sure you are. >> as are we. >> joining me now by phone is terry davis. terry's husband, larry, is on board the ship and is among the missing tonight. terry, first of all, our
thoughts are with you. where are you right now? >> i'm home in jacksonville. >> all right. how are you? >> i'm good. i'm still real hopeful, you know, so i'm good. i don't feel any gloom and doom yet. so i think i'm good. >> terry, have you been through anything like this before? >> never. >> okay. your husband, larry, he's on the ship, he's worked on the ship i understand for over 30 years? >> he's been shipping over 30 years, yes. >> did you have any discussions with him before he left? did he leave on tuesday night? >> yes, he did. >> all right. any discussions about the storm? at that point it was a tropical storm. did you know that, you know, the hurricane was being predicted in the area that that vessel was going to cruise through? >> we knew there was a tropical storm. we talked about there being a tropical storm. like i said, he's shipped for
many, many years. he's been through hurricanes, tropical storms, several things before, always returning home. you know, i don't think he had any trepidation about it. >> and then once he leaves, terry, is he then able to speak to you again or is that not something that happens once he's on the vessel? >> he always calls me going down the river after they undock. that's usually the last time i hear from him until friday morning when they arrive in puerto rico. >> have you spoken to any of the other spouses, terry? >> yeah, at the meeting. we've been in this industry a long time, so we know a lot of the people. so yeah, there are a few people on the ship that are personal friends of his. so yeah, i've spoken to their spouses. >> all right. terry davis, we remain optimistic too. and you're in our thoughts right now and we all pray that everyone will be rescued safely.
thank you for taking the time to be with us tonight. >> i appreciate it and i ask that everybody keep praying, please. >> absolutely. the power of prayer. >> and let me say that tote has been great in this situation. i don't think that they could do anything more than what they're doing. >> well, we're all very impressed that they canontinue be open. >> they're a great company. my opening statement is still ahead tonight. you're not going to want to miss it. plus, more breaking news. the u.s. military on scene in afghanistan right now after an apart mistake leads to tragedy. a doctors without boarders clinic is destroyed in an air strike. how could it happen?
hurricane joaquin may not have hit the united states directly, but it, along with another storm system, is causing some serious problems nonetheless. you're looking at flooding in south carolina where heavy rain has been falling all weekend. president obama even declaring a state of emergency in that state. with me now by phone is south
carolina's state representative peter mccoy. representative, good evening. where are you now? >> judge, thank you for having me on the show. good to talk to a former prosecutor. in my home, on james island, outside of charleston, south carolina. >> how bad is it there? >> it's pretty bad. we've had some steady rain here. charleston is surrounded by a lot of barrier islands. we've been getting hit hard since thursday at noon. i just lost power in my house about five minutes ago. >> you lost power. all right. so have you seen it this bad before? >> judge, i have not. i've been through several hurricanes here and several tropical storms here. it's just been very steady. i've got to tell you the response of the local elected officials here from the county and local level has been phenomenal. the county has really done well
and very proud of the response. >> what about the danger element? talk to us about how you're protecting the elderly, you know, what are the danger areas there? >> well, there are several danger areas right now. the city of charleston has shut down entirely and will not let anybody in or out. a lot of times we have flooding roads here, and the danger is folks drive down the vote and see flooded and they decide to proceed through, the car stalls out and you're in a lot of trouble. all of a sudden locally, we've had a front pass through and we've had high sustained winds that are right here on our barrier islands from 49 to 60 miles an hour, so you have a big risk of wind damage, well. >> going forward, they're predicting that the rain continues, is that correct? >> that's correct, judge.
the rain is not supposed to leave here until 4:00 sunday afternoon. >> all right. in terms of power outages, how vast an area is there an outage? >> right now, judge, i live on an island that's just outside of the city of charleston and we've lost a lot of power here. i just lost power at my house five minutes ago. a lot of the barrier islands are suffering a lot of power outages. so we're hoping we can get the power back on to these folks asap. >> all right, peter mccoy from south carolina, thank you for being with us. >> judge, thank you for having me on. please keep us in your prayers. >> we certainly will. next, does president obama even have a clue about what's going on in syria? my opening statement is coming up. don't go away.
i'm judge jeanine. thanks for being with us. a lot of breaking news, but a few thoughts with you tonight. my open in the middle of the show. first, he didn't have a strategy on isis. then he wanted congress to approve a limited air strike in syria. then his strategy was to degrade, dismantle, and destroy isis. all the while he criticized vladamir putin saying he's just a regional power who threatens neighbors, not out of strength but weakness. i've got news for you, folks. vladamir putin is not only a regional power, he is looking to be the world's superpower. because of his cunning military back ground and kgb training, he's setting himself up to be just that. and ironically, with barack obama as commander in chief, the united states is recklessly and pathetically giving up as the world's superpower. this week as our president
addressed the u.n., calling syria's assad a tyrant, putin watched. more weakness. not unlike the red line he dared assad to cross. and when assad crossed it, obama not only wimped out, but he agreed to let putin oversee assad's disposal of those chemical weapons. and when assad missed the deadline to dispose, nothing happened. putin is not stupid. he watched the united states get eaten up in the tehran deal, and then after meeting with our president, within hours, starts bombing the very people that we are supporting in syria on the pretext of going after isis. and they told us to get out of
syria's air space. and the worst we could do was to say that russia was unprofessional. so why should you care? you need to care, because since that jv team isis got started, 30,000 have joined its ranks, including 250 from america. they are hell bent on destroying us and our way of life, and if that isn't close enough for you, pick up a newspaper and start figuring out where the refugees over whom we have no information and no capacity to even vet will be coming to your neighborhood. folks, there is a new world order that's being created. iran, russia, syria, and iraq. a shiite presence that we are incapable of fighting or understanding. and putin this week at the u.n.
tells the world that everywhere we've gone and decapitated regimes, iraq and yemen and libya, we've done nothing but create chaos in a vacuum without any ability to maintain stability. i hate to even say this, do we have the sound? >> translator: do you realize now what you've done? [ inaudible ] >> do you not realize what you have done? vlade, i hate to say this, but i'm not sure he even has a clue. and that's my open. tell me what you think on my facebook page or twitter. with me to talk more about this,
retired intelligence officer and executive director of veterans against the deal, michael prejean. good evening. the iraqi prime minister stated that he would welcome russian air strikes in iraq, too. what does this mean to our strategy in the middle east? >> thanks for having me, judge. it means our strategy is being marginalized in the middle east. vladamir putin will be willing to do things that we won't do. and we won't target sunni neighborhoods, but putin is already doing it in syria and he'll have no problem doing that. >> what about the fact that it seems that for all the money we have put into the free syrian army, i mean, it sounds ridiculous, but there was something like five people who have been trained that are 54, some are missing, some have left their weapons. one is dead and one was captured. this is $700 million, the president wants another $600
million. what are we doing? >> we're insisting that we vet the force. what we did in iraq when we stood up the sons of iraq during the surge, is we picked six credible tribal sunni leaders. within 60 days, they stood up a force that routed al qaeda. what we're doing in syria is americans are contraining the general's ability to build this force by insisting that anybody is vetted out. so what you have is you have squeaky clean fighting force that has a target painted on their backs. they enter syria and they're told you can't fight assad, only isis. and they enter a boxing ring with five opponents and only allowed to fight back against one and we abandon them in the fight. >> what's going to happen? russia tells us to get out of
the syrian air space. are we honoring that request in >> well, the air space is deconflicted already. we will only hit targets we can see. so we're not hitting a lot of targeting in baghdad and we're not hitting targets in fallujah or ramadi. >> what about drones, michael? >> again, isis is hiding in population centers. ramadi and fallujah have not been evacuated like tikrit, so it's hard to target these buildings without collateral damage. >> right now i'm talking about russia and the united states. you say there's already deconflick shun in the works. what i'm saying is that given what is going on over there, that there's got to be -- there's an inevitable future confrontation, whether it's russia hitting us or our hitting russia. do you not agree with that? >> well, what i'm saying is, it's deconflicted already,
because we're only hitting isis targets and they're hitting our guys, the rebels opposed to assad. so we won't go into certain areas and that's where they're bombing. we're bombing isis targets, they're not. so yes, there's going to be a problem if russia wants to make it a problem. does that make sense? >> i guess so. but it's day four. russia is still bombing, and tell me what does this mean to the average american? why should the average american care about what's going on over there? >> well, we're prolonging a war by trying to disen gauge from one. we're allowing putin to work with iran, with assad, and using money freed up from the iran deal to fund his iranian proxies in syria. we're creating an imbalance in the middle east and the northern middle east. we have 20 million sunnis that are looking to the west and they're not finding ann eadvoca. >> and the other piece of it, i
believe, is now with russia coming in as a dominant power with iran and iraq, sharing intelligence with them, as well, you know, you've got russia now selling arms to egypt who wanted the arms from the united states and we just don't treat our allies the way we can and we're working with iran on this nuclear deal. so you wonder why russia wouldn't be able to fill that vacuum, because putin is a smart guy. >> pretty easy to do. we've disen gajed from the middle east. >> michael, thank you for being with us. i want to talk more about the breaking news in afghanistan. a doctors without boarders clinic is hit by a u.s.er strike. the death toll is 19 and counting. i'm joined now by former u.s. army helicopter pilot amber smith. and on the phone, retired major rusty bradley of the u.s. army
special forces. thanks for being with us. thanks for your service. i'm going to start with you, amber. you have flown combat missions in iraq and afghanistan. is mistakenly bombing a doctors without boarders hospital in the combat zone of kunduz something that is predictable? how does this happen if >> well, look, when there are bullets flying to your left and right and you and your team are pinned down by enemy fire, you can bet that every single time those u.s. forces are going to call in every single asset, air, artillery, to save their team's life, to save u.s. lives. and they have that right for self-defense. what happens with that hospital is horrific, but it is a reminder to the american people and around the world that there's a war going on in afghanistan right now.
and it might be a train and assist and advise role on paper, but is very much combat. >> what do we know, major, what do we know about the statement that has come out that the doctors without boarders had called and said, you know, you're hitting our hospital, and the bombing continued for another 30 minutes. >> well, there's a couple of things. first of all, thank you for having me on. there's a couple of things that come into play that are extremely important. number one, it's not an official site, which is recognized and monitored by the u.s. military. number two, that they take any efforts to try to mark the hospital to put anything on the roof that would have annotated that it was a location, because when you -- >> rusty, hold on a second. it's 2:00 in the morning. if they put a red cross or a white h on the roof, how are they going to see that? >> no, absolutely.
but you have to remember we have advanced technologies to be able to allow us to see things on top of these roofs and buildings that other people cannot see with the naked eye. >> should we not know, rusty, should we not know of a hospital's coordinates? >> a couple things. number one, yes, we should have. but people are not thinking about things that are obvious. number one, the complete retro grade of u.s. forces that are there does not allow us to track nongovernmental organizations that are in the vast majority of these locations. number two, when you look at this air strike, the identification of the hospital being given protected status is that when what i have been told is that not only were there insurgent fighters and taliban forces around the exact location of the hospital, but there were
locations where the insurgents were firing on soft forces from the hospital. so once that happens, once there's any fire coming from a location that has been given protected status, and -- >> okay, okay, i don't have a lot of time, rusty. so what you're saying is that the taliban is near the hospital and we've got special forces working with the afghan commandos that that hospital is going to get hit. but did they use laser directed jets or was this an ac-130 with, you know, with guns on it? >> i would say most likely it was a combination of both. either way, even if it's, you know, the most highly technical, advanced weapons system that are in the united states, when you have insurgent forces firing directly on u.s. soft forces from that building, you don't have any other choice.
if the doctors without boarders did not move out of there as early as monday when the taliban took the city, they placed themselves, their staff, and patients at risk knowing that city was going to be overrun. >> i want to go back to christine. christine, the complaint that they made is that they should have known it was a hospital, and that the hospital had made the call. you've been on the ground in these situations. how does this happen? aren't there people on the ground telling them what they hit? >> there are, but from what the doctors without boarders people said, they're in a war zone. and when things go bad, they go bad very quickly. so the fact that they're coming out now saying they should have been marked, this is combat. things go bad quickly. from the limited information we have so far, what we're sort of hearing in terms of there being taliban fighters around the
more now on the breaking news we brought you at the top of the broadcast. the cargo ship with 33 aboard, 28 of them americans, missing in the bahamas during hurricane joaquin. with me is rochelle hand, married to one of the men on board that ship. her husband's name is frank. thank you for joining us tonight. how are you? >> you're welcome. i'm blessed. >> okay. you are at home now sp >> no, i'm not. i'm on any way to pick up my mom from the airport.
>> your mom is flying in to be with you? >> yes. >> tell me what your thoughts are now? >> right now, i have a praise report. they reported that a life ring had been found, so they know what areas to check for the ship when they start back up in the morning. it has the ship name on it, so that was one of the ones that blew off the ship. >> now, your husband is experienced, he's been doing this for quite some time, is that correct? >> he has. he's been doing this since 1999. >> okay. and did you know or did he discuss the fact that there was a storm and a hurricane coming and was he concerned at all about going out in that particular area? >> no, there were no concerns, and this was no discussions. in the past, if they run into a storm, they have a way of going around it.
>> all right. i'm sure you heard that they may have been in the eye of joaquin. >> yes, yes. that's correct. >> okay. when you heard about the possibility of, you know, that -- the ship listing and, you know, taking on water, are you concerned about whether or not they would be able to be upright again or whether the listing would continue? . >> at the time, i was told that the captain called and said they had a flooding leak on the ship, but they fixed it. then they reported an area of where they were. after that, that's when they lost power. . >> right now the coast guard working very hard as is tote maritime. >> the navy is involved, as well. >> rochelle hand, thank you for taking the time to be with us
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two big breaking news stories we've been following throughout the evening. the coast guard crew spent today combing rough waters in the bahamas, looking for the ssl farrow, a cargo ship with 33 people aboard, 28 of them americans. the ship disappeared during hurricane joaquin on thursday. search crews located a life ring from that ship just a few hours ago, but no other sign of the approximately 790-foot vessel or its crew. also tonight, president obama offering condolences, after at least 19 people died in an apparently a mistaken u.s. air strike in the vicinity of a doctors without borders hospital in afghanistan. a general is on the ground at the site right now assessing the situation. but again, the death toll stands at 19, but could still rise, as rescuers continue to search through the rubble. remember to keep it on fox news channel and foxnews.com for the breaking news this weekend.
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so i just started poking around on ancestry. then, i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. it turns out i'm scottish. so, i traded in my lederhosen for a kilt. julie is up next with "fox report." we start tonight with a fox news weather alert. folks along the east coast battling a historic amount of rain as the coast guard searches for a ship lost in hurricane joaquin. i'm julie banderas. welcome. the u.s. isn't expected to see anything like this but the threat of major flooding here at home is still very real. severe weather alerts now in effect from georgia to new england. south carolina already seeing record breaking flooding. meanwhile, a major search under way right now and it continues for a krg ship missing in hurricane joaquin. 33 people on board, including 28 americans. the c