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11 o'clock and 5:00 p.m. >> i am chris wallace, a big potential shakeup in the race for speaker of house, with congressman jason chaffetz considering a run to lead the republican majority. today, he will announce the decision on fox news sunday. >> everyone thought hillary clinton was unbeatable. but we put together benghazi special committee. her numbers are dropping. i did not intend to aimply the work is political. >> kevin mccartney was the frontrunner but now he is facing criticism from republicans for his gaffe. we will discuss the future of the g.o.p. and an exclusive interchange with jason chaffetz. >> the crisis in syria deepens
and the russians bomb assad's enemies and tell the united states to get out of the way. >> into the wreckage of this administration's middle east policy has now stepped vladimir putin. >> what does that mean for the future of the region? we will ask retired four-star general jack keane and ryan crocker former ambassador to iraq and syria. >> husband, another mass shooting as a gunman targets christians at an oregon community college. >> our thoughts and prayers are not enough. this is a political choice we make to allow this to happen every few months in america. >> we weigh in on the president's comments and what can be done to prevent more massacres. >> our power player of the week, on inspiring generations of children. >> hello from fox news in
washington. house speaker is a big job, he or she leads half of congress and is second in the line of presidential succession. when speaker boehner announced his resignation it seemed certain the number two majority leader would succeed him but, suddenly, that is in doubt. joining me is republican congressman jason chaffetz from utah, chair of the house oversight committee. he said he is seriously considering a run for speaker. congressman, welcome back. >> five days ago you said you supported kevin mccarthy for speaker and it was assumed the number two position in the g.o.p. caucus he would move up when speaker boehner moved out. why are you even considering the idea of running against mccarthy. >> he is a big reason why we have a solid majority but things have changed and there is a math problem. you need 218 votes on the floor
of the house. there are 246 republicans that will vote and there are 50 people and growing number that will not and cannot vote for mccarthy as the speaker. he will fall short of the 218 votes on the floor of the house of representatives. >> what are you going to do? are you running for speaker? are you putting your name forward on thursday when the house of representatives votes? >> i am announcing my intention to run for speaker of the house of representatives. we were entrusted by the american people with the large of the majority the republicans have ever had since babe ruth was swinging the baseball bat but they does not send us to perpetuate the status quo. they want us to fight, to take the fight to the senate, to take the fight to to the president ad to the american people. >> before we get into the substance i want to ask you of the procedural issue, it is complicated.
first the vote in the house of representatives g.o.p. caucus and the full vote at the end of the month. do you pledge to support whoever wins the vote in the house of representatives caucus on thursday or if you lose will you take your candidacy to the full floor? >> mr. mccarthy has a majority of the conference but it does not matter because the real vote is when you call the name out in front of everyone on the floor of the house of representatives. the vote open thursday is closed car, secret ballot, i will support the nominee but i don't believe the nominee if it is kevin mccarthy can get to 218 so i offer myself as a candidate to bridge the divide. the 50-plus people find i am a fair and even balanced person and i can bridge that decide between our more centrist members and the more far right wing members. that is why i have entered. >> you are saying you will continue your candidacy until the full vote of the house of representatives at the end of the month?
>> if we walk out of this and i want to win i hope i win but there is no doubt that he has the majority of the people in our conference that support him. they like his. >> are you say --. >> i will walk out and support the nominee. i am filing for myself but if it is mccarthy he still has the math problem. i hope we can avoid the problems and turn the fight rather than internally turn the fight to the democrats and fight for the things that we came to congress for. why do you think 50-plus whatever, will not vote for mccarthy but have vote for new >> the american public wants a change. they want a fresh start. there is a reason we see this phenomenon across the country. you do not give an automatic promotion to the existing leadership team. that does not signal change. they want a fresh face and fresh
person who is at the leadership table in the speaker's role you have to speak, articulate the republican message to the american people and take the fight to the president. you have to bridge internally. that is where we have conflict. >> how do you explain? you would bridge the internal conflict? >> he has been in existing leadership for years and years and the divide is getting worse, not getting better. i am trying to offer internal process reform and how we select the committee, to who the commie chairman are. i don't expect we win every vote i want to vote more not less. i want the committee to be empowered and that is what the broad membership wants. >> what are you saying? you would be more amenable or friendly to the hard-line conservatives, the freedom caucus and tea party than
mccarthy? that is one question. second, how would you be anymore effective give you still have president obama, you still have enough democrats in the senate to sustain a filibuster so how can you be more effective? >> internally we have to bridge the difficult vied and i have been recruiting, i did not wake up last week and think i would run for speaker but i have had enough people would say, please, jason, do this, if we cannot vote for promote the existing leadership. that internal factor is there and will continue to the floor of the house of representatives when the vote happens. a new fresh face who said, look, how are we going to hold the line for the political spectrum? what are we going to fight for? i am not there to perpetuate the status quo or to do what mcconnell or the president
wants. >> quick answers on the specific issues you would face if you become speaker. president obama announced he will not sign another short-material spending bill when the continuing resolution runs out in december. wrote you be willing to risk a shutdown to de-fund planned parenthood? >> lack, we will have that discussion internally and my job so to put a bill open president's desk. the president's pollution is to borrow more money from china? i want to solve the problem. unless we are actually solving the problem i have a hard time putting anything on the president's deck that does not solve the problem. >> respect any, because you are maybe the next speaker, how far are you willing to take the fight? >> the job is speaker is to unite party in the house of representatives and where we hold the line. from the political spectrum that is what i want to do and then we will fight and make the case to
the american people. >> what about budget caps under spree sequestration? are you willing to lift the caps so you would have more spending on defense and domestic spending? >> i want to cut spending. i don't believe we can continue to add to the deficit and i like the budget caps. i believe we need more money for the military and more money for the va. take care of the people taking care of us. and fight cancer killing 1,500 people a day. it is not my personal agenda, we will move forward as the speaker you have to take the will of our body and fight for that. >> government will reach its debt limit on november 5. would you -- what would you demand from the president and from the democrats in order to vote to lift the debt limit and are you willing to risk the possibility of default in the
negotiation? >> our job in the house of representatives we have 246 members our job is to put forward a bill, i would like to see the deficit cut, not continue to add to the deficit, i don't want to borrow more money from china i want to fight for those things, they will solve the rock and not just keep punting it down the road. >> would you demand something if run for raising doubt limit? >> we cannot just unilaterally raise the debt limit that is not responsible. the debt when president obama took office was $9 trillion we are approaching $20 trillion spending more than $600 million a day in interest open our national debt. we have to solve that problem not just borrow more money. >> is it fair to say as speaker you could be more confrontational that speaker boehner and you believe mccarthy would be? >> i believe myself and get the
body behind us and fight and make the case. you want a speaker who speaks who is going out there and making the case to the american people, talking to the senate about what we need do and going on the natural division shows and winning the argument. we do not seem to win the argument. that is a problem. >> a suggestion you would run for speaker has brought out some criticism from conservatives would note you ran a hearing on planned parenthood this week. >> your companies in 2009 was $353,000, is that correct? >> i don't have the figures with me. >> it was, congratulations. >> you focused on the wrong things, on planned parenthood finances and not the videos and the fact they are trafficking in fetal body parts. >> i issued a subpoena. we do not have all of the votes but it is legitimate for a not for profit organization to question how they spend their money, exorbitant salaries,
first-class travel, charter airplanes. this is not something a not for profit needs. $127 million more in revenue than expenses and they want more federal money? we can tackle it both on trafficking in fetal body parts and talking about the fans. >> they note in june you stripped conservative congress man meadows of the subcommittee chairmanship because he balked when against the house of representatives leadership in terms of giving trade authority, fast track trade authority to president obama. you took the subcommittee chairmanship away is that the kind of speaker you would be? >> i learned from that lesson you do not do thinking by cutting people off at knees. i listened for an hour and 43 minutes with my committee and reconsidered that. we have to win the argument and make the case not just knock people over the need they don't do what we want to do. lesson learned. we are better for it, mark is
better for it and we are good friends. >> you are in an ugly situation with the secret service as chairman of the house of representatives oversight committee you held a hearing of the continued security lapses at the secret service. here is a clip. >> don't let anybody get in that gate and when they come 209 gate and they have a bomb and they say they have a bomb, believe them, take 'em down. >> now an inspector general's report has revealed in days of the hearing, 45 agency employees got hold of the 2003 application and someone leaked that the application was rejected and the director is revising his account when he said that he didn't know people in the agency were looking at your file. what actions should be taken at the secret service and should the director clancy step down
new >> the secret service and showing why we started investigating them. you had 45 secret service actses violate the law according to the inspector general? why isn't there a special prosecutor? it is scary. i fear that these people, if they do to me, i am sure it is not the first time, a sitting member of congress, no one should have that done, it is a violation of federal law. >> do you still have confidence? this is why almost two years ago we started investigating the secret service, they have had a series of mishaps and are entrusted with guns. their most sensitive classified information, this video a serious cultural problem. >> thanks for coming in today. we will follow the battle for house speaker. think?
>> this is not what you will see in house speaker, i want to be clear with my colleagues and this country of where we are going. >> house majority leader and candidate for speaker, trying to walk back his linking the house of representatives benghazi committee, the hillary clinton's drop in the polls. it is too for our sunday group, brit hume, julie pace who covers
the white house for the associated press, and ben domenech co-founder of a web magazine and christi parsons who reports on the white house and bright, how damaging was mccarthy's statement to his prospects to be speaker and the work of the benghazi committee and what do you make of someone like jason chaffetz a chairman of a house of representatives committee announcing he is going to oppose mccarthy. >> in the case of chaffetz if it him it would be someone else, there is someone else less prominent so chaffetz has a better chance. the episode was damaging to the committee investigating benghazi. it gives the democrats a talking point to beat the republicans on this over the head and it was very damaging to mccarthy. chaffetz is right.
mccarthy has majority of support in the republican caucus but it doesn't have 218. if they go to the near with him as their nominee, and the people on the right who do not want him do not vote for him, he cannot win and they go to a series of votes. we are a long way from having this matter settled. mccarthy started unravelling by the gaffe on the committee which gave people an excuse, a reason, not to support him. this is a man fast station of the divisions in the republican party we are seeing reflected in donald trump, in the complaints we hear about the leaders in both house of representatives and senate and i don't think there is a way to know where it is going. >> we saw president obama picking up on this subject
daring the house of representatives republicans to pick a fight with him weather -- whether on the budget or anything else. >> i will not sign another short sided spending bill like the one congress sent me. we have ten additional weeks we need to use them. >> with the split we have seen and we saw this morning among the house of representatives republicans, do the president and white house officials feel they can beat republicans, congressional republicans in any kind of a showdown whether in the budget or the debt limit? >> in the news conference you saw the president acknowledging that the speaker's race will cause a lost chaos around what he is talking about, the debt limit and the budget but they think mcconnell and speaker boehner looked at the landscape and figured out a shutdown is not good for republicans going into the 2016 election. they say contra costa is in the
same place and the open question is whether the new speaker is. the white house is separating under the assumption the speaker is mccarthy and now with chaffetz it is more complicated. they think the politics for republicans and democrats favor a clean straight forward budget process not a shutdown. >> do they feel if there is a slut down or default, the republicans because of the disarake ray, take the blame? >> they would take more of the blame, they think the president and the white house would get some but the majority would fall on republicans. >> there were interesting developments where you saw in both parties former allies creating some distance between themselves open republican side, jeb bush took a swipe at his former protege marco rubio. >> i am a proven leader and disrupted the old order on tallahassee relying on marco
rubio and others to follow my leadership. >> what does that tell you about the current fortunes of marco rubio and jeb bush? >> it is interesting. in the old ways of politics you want it to be a governor to get to the presidency and have the executive experience path and jeb is confronted by a situation where you gain more of the tools for running for president in this day and age by being in the senate by walking back-and-forth from your office to the floor and being confronted by gotcha quotes. in a certain sense it is an expression of his experience being something that ought to matter to voters but general had an interesting moment in the sense of being attacked for a comment in the wake of the organize shooting which was spun completely out of context. >> when he said "stuff happens." >> this is actually a moment he could potentially seize to his advantage in the science he has not had so much of a
give-and-take situation with the media. it would be an opportunity to show he is a leader in this context and to pick a fight that can be to hissibility i am not sure a fight between him and marco rubio that reaches that. >> why would he be going after marco rubio opposed to donald trump or carson or fiorina? they are further ahead. >> he recognized it marco rubio is in his lane because he has an appeal to speaks to a lot of others who share his policy on immigration policy and the kind of change that needs to happen in washington, dc. getting marco rubio out of the that lane is key to succeed. >> and there is hillary clinton would has come out against the keystone xl pipeline and this week took issue with the way president obama is leading our efforts in syria. >> i personally would be advocating new for no-fly zone and humanitarian corridors to try to stop the carnage on the ground and from the air. >> hillary clinton is we not
half baked in terms of her approach to the problems. she obviously was my secretary of state. but i also think there is a difference between running for president and being president. >> how do they feel at the white house with the president on down putting distance on keystone xl pipeline and syria and other issues between herself and the president. >> they feel hike she is staying in the realm of bake rhetoric. you saw the president on friday in the news conference dismiss what she said about syria as what you say when you run for the president. they are not is critical that he felt he had to call them half baked or mumbo jumbo which is what he calls the republicans. the president is willing to keep it cool until shes with more strident. >> do you have the sense there
is a line if she stays on this side her okay and if she goes do that side they could push back. >> it could be the case and saw the line in the memoir, a few places where she has broken with the president on policy while secretary of state and she clearly has laid those out and things to show daylight and distinguish herself. she is more talkish than he is, and it came out in the primary. >> what is the latest on the biden watch? in or out? >> day-to-day it flips back-and-forth. you heard him speak at human rights campaign dinner it was almost a campaign speech and three was drawing extensions with the president and very forward leaning but he has other moments do you not get the sense he is ready. >> that is right. the vice president did an interview with catholic magazine and he founded like he did in
the interview a few days ago can colbert he is not ready to say "i'm in," but it is clear he is not ready to say "i'm out." in ten seconds will he be in the democratic debate mid-month? >> i don't think so. >> no. >> and i will not ask bright because he hates predictions. a later. up next, a dramatic escalation of russian's involvement in syria. we'll talk with a top american general and diplomat about a conflict that suddenly got even more dangerous.
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afghanistan. general keane, show us where and who the russians are headed? >> this is a blowup of the syrian map. the orange represents the regime control area. the yellow and the green represent the rebels. the green is isis. what is happening in syria in the last year, the rebels have made significant gains here and in the north, this encroaches on the coastal group that is right here where the russian base is. this is his political support. the regime is in a precarious situation. the reason for the airstrikes are to stop the advance by the rebels particularly in this area here and here and the stars indicate the airstrikes that are taking place the last three or four days. there are a couple here to the east near isis headquarters but
that is window dressing at raqqa but the second purpose is not just to stop the advance but to set the conditions for ground counter offensive to push back the rebels out of the area. >> the united states officials are reporting that 300 to 600 iranian forces are being deployed into iraq or iran -- rather, syria, in addition to the 1,500 already there. your sense of where they will be deployed and what this russian and iranian alliance in syria will mean. >> the russian and iranian line is a game changer for the middle east and will impact every country in the middle east and diminish our glue. the regime would have fallen three years ago without russia and iran. iranians are bringing in 3,000 more to add to what they already have here which is 7,000 on the ground and they will provide
advisors to the regime military and organize the local militias, 100,000 strong with leaders and advisors and could not succeed without russian air power. >> general, while you join me at the beat i turn to ambassador crocker because this is the big deal, the first time that russia has struck militarily outside of the old soviet union since the fall of the end of the cold war and it is really the first time russia is involved in an aggressive fashion since the nea 70s so how big a deal is this for vladimir putin? >> chris, it is a big deal for vladimir putin and for us. what we are seeing is nature abhorring a vacuum. in the case of iraq and syria, the vacuum that we left when we disengaged is now being filled
by people we do not like so i see a continuum, slam i think state, iran, iranian-backed shi'a militias in iraq, and, now, russia. when we step out, others are stepping in and i see this russian intervention the latest move in a negative process going on for several years. >> let me pick up on that, because, ambassador, at the u.n. this week, it seemed that president obama was inviting russia and iran into the syrian conflict. >> the united states is prepared to work with any nation including russia and iran to resolve the conflict. >> ambassador, you said that russia has played a horrible hand brilliantly and we foamedd what could have been a pretty good hand. explain that. >> the russians are moving in because of the weakness of the
assad regime. it is againstive in nature. they are trying to prop him up as the battle towns against him as jack keane said it is iran and it is russia keeping him in the game. for us to think that russia and iran are aligned with our interests in the region, that is crazy. the pattern of airstrikes points it out. they are attacking the forces we are supporting. they do future care about islamic state. our interests and theirs are misaligned but they are moving forward and we are not moving at all. there are thing we could do is what i mean about potentially pretty good hand. we could impose a no-fly zone. we could make a dramatic step on refugees. we could engage diplomatically
and politically, and send john kerry to baghdad and have him sit there working the political problems that underlie the weakness of the iraqi military. those are political problems, we can make a difference but we have to engage to do it. >> general keane both you and the ambassador made a big point about the fact in the northeast part of the country that is where isis is, and that is where we are striking in the northwest part of syria, that is where the relatively moderate syrian rebels are we are supporting and that is what russia is hitting but russian foreign minister said this week that there is no difference between the rebels they are hitting and the ones we are hitting. >> if it looks like a terrorist, if it actions lick a terrorist, if it walks lick a terrorist, if it fights like a terrorist, it is a terrorist strike. >> general, how do you answer foreign minister lavrov? >> he is right.
they focus only on the rebels that are putting pressure on the regime. isis does not put pressure on the regime they are more concerned about their fate and expanding outside of iraq and syria from the headquarters in iraq. they have done that in seven other countries. the focus for russia is on whatever rebels are encroach on the regime and that kind of pressure. >> ambassador crocker, as you mentioned here, you said earlier that the president should impose a no-fly zone over the section of northwest syria where civilians are, where the moderate, relatively moderate syrian rebels are and he said in way will we get into a proxy war with russia in syria and he suggested it will be a quagmire, another vietnam or afghanistan. is this such a sure loser, should the president be so confident it should end up badly
for vladimir putin? >> that would be basing a policy on hope and that has never made sense and it does not make sense now we need to change the dynamics of the game. we could do it with a no-fly zone and jack keane would know this better and it would be a no fly design to stop assad's barrel bombing of his own people. >> ambassador if you set up a in fly zone in the area the russians are attacking now with airstrikes aren't you creating the real danger of a superpower confrontation over the skies of northwest syria? >> i wish we had established that no fly design before the russians came in that may have disswayed them. we should step up to this and a in fly zone as i understand can be enforced not with mapped aircraft necessarily but with offshore missiles and we should just tell the russians we are going to do it and do it. that is not an end in and of
itself but it could change the political dynamics to make the russians, iranians and the client, to realize they have to negotiate a settlement that is going to involve him leaving syria. >> gentleman, i am sorry to interrupt we are running out of time. i want to ask you about the big news which is the tragic event in afghanistan where a united states airstrike and the of the by the united states to help the afghans take back the city of kunduz from the taliban an american airstrike hit a doctors without borders hospital killing 19. general keane, how can something like that happen? >> they are usually human mistakes. we have tremendous pilots and we have great technology and there is a targeting problem i on imagine were opposed to a mill. either wrong target or an errant missile and these things happen. it is sad.
people are out here sacrificing their lives in a combat zone and they are killed by the united states pilot it is unbelievably tragic. we will learn from it. these things happen in war. the good news is they rarely happen with united states weapons. that is the good news. >> ambassador crocker, finally, as the form ambassador to the country, how badly does this hurt our standing with the afghans? >> it is a tragic event. but they count on us. they will know it was a mistake. no country, no military does more than united states to avoid this kind of thing. tragically, it happened. i don't think that is going to fundamentally change how the afghans look at us. right now they need us badly and they are desperate to see us stay this, stay engage and support their military that is
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sized this issue. well, this is something we should politicize. >> president obama responding with obvious emotion to the latest mass shooting at an oregon community college and declaring he will push again on the issue of gun control. we're back now with the panel. brit, what do you think of the president's comments, both in the immediate aftermath and then again at his friday's news conference and his intention to talk about tougher gun control laws? >> gun control is a political issue. and if the president has an idea that he believes ought to be advanced to try to stop these recurring mass killings, there's not nothing at all wrong with him doing so. the problem, i think, is this is not an issue and proven through the years and a commonsense
measure. what commonsense measures does he mean? if it looks to me like the gun control that he likes is the kind that they've tried in australia, for example, where they confiscated guns, you couldn't pass that through either house of the congress with control of both houses. i don't have any problem with his talking about it. >> julie, from the little that we actually know of facts about this terrible case, all 14 of the guns that the shooter had gotten, he had bought legally, apparently had no criminal record or mental health record, any law they could have passed wouldn't have made a difference in this case. >> they tried to talk about this in a broader way, not that this incident would have been stopped. the president thinks it's the broad availability of guns, whether purchased legally or not
legally. to brit's point here, the president is really lacking in specifics about what he wants to do moving forward other than simply talking about it and i think that that really underscores the political position he finds himself in. i don't think we're going to see him push for legislation on capitol hill. i don't think we're really going to see him pushing state legislatures. i think simply it's going to be talking about this because he knows that the political dynamics haven't changed since he last launched this effort. >> i want to put out a remarkable figure on the screen. the shooting that took place in oregon was on the 274th day of 2015, and according to a website called mass shooting tracker, it was the 294th mass shooting in those 274 days and they define mass shooting in which four or more people were hit. can we do anything about it?
>> it was interesting to listen to the president say what he said because, from my perspective, if you take logically the steps that he's taking and assume, for the sake of argument, that he's correct, that his policies are popular, they are commonsense, they are constitutional, and that the only thing that's preventing them from going through is the republicans or gun lobby or some other effect, there's actually a problem with that because this president could have had any gun legislation he wanted at that point to push through. so i think when it comes time to assess what kind of gun policy we had in the country, the president needs to look in the mirror. he's making this about him but i think it's really about him. he chose, instead, to go through the health care pass and pass obamacare and i think it was a democratic senate after newtown that killed his approach to gun legislation.
i don't think this is anything that stands up against the logic of what he's saying. >> chris, how would they respond to that at the white house? >> the president obama had a limited amount of capital and when it comes to trying to pass something through the senate, it's a difficult issue. not all democrats are supportive of these gun safety measures that the president was pushing. >> we asked you for questions for the panel and we got this from eric. he writes, the shootings in oregon and the amount of dead ends up being an average weekend in chicago but you never hear the president talk about that. christi, how do you answer this question from eric and that the president is selective? >> that's an interesting question. i don't think it's true that he doesn't talk about gun violence in chicago. he's talked about it quite a bit. in fact, you'll remember not long ago, a 15-year-old girl was
killed in chicago, an innocent bystander to a gang complex. >> i think it's fair that he does seem to focus on these big mass shootings and not the steady drumbeat of gun violence in a city like chicago. >> i think when he talks about the urban violence, there are other factors that he tries to -- like my brother's keepers initiative and the other rhetoric and his personal mission will continue long after he's in office. you about i do think that he sees these mass shootings as a separate thing with a different dynamic pushing them and it's a dynamic, in the case of gang violence, he feels he has policy subscriptions he can push or at least talk about when it comes to mass shootings, he's reaching the point, like many people, including embedded in your question, who just feel like there is not -- there is not an obvious solution to attacking this >> in the time we have left then, is there a solution?
>> i don't think that there is. evil people will always exist. it was clearly embarked on a murder rouse rage. >> you know, julie, i know that after newtown and after this the president has talked about the gun control aspect of it and the mental health aspect of it. i must confess ignorance on this. has anything happened there so we have more mental health intervention, more of a connection between gun purchases and mental health records? >> we've seen some tweaks around the edges. you've seen the president signing executive orders trying tout move the ball forward but a major way. certainly when you do look at a lot of these mass shootings that's one thing that stands out. that's one area where you have some common ground between democrats, republicans, gun control advocates and those who don't want to see more legislation, mental health does seem to be something where you
could potentially see progress r made. >> so, britt, going back to something that ben said in the previous panel segment, you had jeb bush get hammered this week by a bunch of people saying stuff happens, sometimes you just can't find a solution for it. perhaps stuff happens wasn't the most elegant way to put it, but what do we do? is there anything we can do or do we have to accept that this is going to happen and there's limits to what government can do? >> well, it's a law enforcement issue. it's also as you and julie were talking about a mental healthki issue. i don't think the president or anyone on his side of the equation or any of the republicans is beingbo bold or creative about articulating possible ways to address these things. the mental health issues, this guy probably should not have been onld the streets. he was evidently in pretty bad shape. it's a tricky thing to do but it's not i think mission impossible. what we need from the president isre some kind of a balanced
approach to theap issue and tha would be true of hillary clinton or anyoneny else running for president. we're not hearing that. it's not an easy problem, but i think it's -- it would -- it would be helped by at least some thoughtful new ideas on the subject. >> but that --t. and just very quickly. you know, you say he shouldn't have been on the streets. he hasn't been incarcerated or committed a crime. >> thete thoughtful question is what's the way to get at that. i don't have an answer but i think thereth will be an answer >> thank you, panel. this will be a subject we will continue to discuss. up next, our power player of the week. after 44 years maria leaves "sesame street" and opens up about her own troubled childhood.
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taught us about letters, life and love. >> hi, maria! >> and as one of the first hispanics on tv, she filled a big void. >> how does it feel to be an icon? >> how does it feel to be an icon? >> my husband wakes up and says, hello, icon. >> to understand why she's an icon, look at her life. growing up as a puerto rican immigrant in the south bronx in the '50s. >> my father was a violent drunk. there was domestic violence. >> what role in that life did television play for you? >> television was my sanctuary. i loved "leave it to beaver" and "father knows best." >> but there was that void. >> i never saw anybody who looked like me or lived in the same kind of environment i lived in, and i wondered where i fit into the society that didn't see me. ♪ what's the name of that song
>> fast forward to the early '70s when sonya got the role of maria on "sesame street." >> i was a teenager when i started. ♪ who are the people in your neighborhood ♪ >> when i fell in love and got married, so did maria. >> i do. >> maria had a baby on "sesame street" shortly after i had a baby on "sesame street." so she's really me as a better person. i'm kinder, i'm more patient. >> why are you retiring? >> 44 years is long enough to wait for oscar the grouch to propose. >> it's the me, myself, that is coming out. >> sonya won 15 emmys writing for "sesame street." now she's written her memoir, "the coming maria, love and chaos in the south bronx." >> do you think that you provided the same safe haven to young kids as bennecker nod as
you did watching television. >> i know i did. they have said they thought i was their friend, their mother, their girlfriend. >> and what does that mean to you? >> it's just -- it's wonderful. >> sonya says when she started on "sesame street" she wanted to end racism and close the education gap. and while that may have been a little ambitious, she says she had a lot of fun and made a contribution. >> i made people laugh, fool around with the muppets. >> jeronimo! >> learning how to do a take to the camera. i had a producer who used to always say, so it's our drop in the bucket for an equal society. and i think that that means something. >> sonya isn't finished giving. she's donating some of the profits for her book to help build a children's museum in the area where she grew up, in the bronx. and that's it for today. have a great week.
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