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in the bronx. that's it for "fox news sunday.. stay with us, "mediabuzz" begins now. on the buzz meter this sunday, the media bashing jeb bush for part of his response to the horrifying campus shootings in oregon. >> stuff happens. there's always a crisis. the impulse is always to do something, and it's not necessarily the right thing to do. >> but his campaign accuses the press of dishonest distortion. is that true? have laid mer putin's air strikes trigger an international crisis and roils the campaign. but are they also pressing the republicans for answers? rand paul being written off by many pundits, hits back at ted cruz, at donald trump, and at the media for downgrading his chances. >> i think the rumor of of my
demise are somewhat exaggerated, to say the least. my sit-down with the senator on whether he can revive his struggles presidential campaign. robert redford coming out with a movie sympathetic to dan rather and his discredited story about george w. bush and the national guard. >> we have new -- >> here's to a great story. >> will the film gloss over the massive mistakes made by rather and cbs? plus hillary clinton does "saturday night live." >> i'm just an ordinary citizen who believes the keystone pipeline will destroy our environment. >> i agree with you there. it did take me a long time to discuss that, but i am against it. >> you know, nong wrote taking your time. >> will that help her shake off all the bad press? i'm howard curtis, akurtz,
is "mediabuzz." jeb bush is hitting back hard at the media after a reporter asked him to respond to the college massacre in oregon that prompted president obama to renew his call for tighter gun control. here's the fuller context of what the former florida governor said and how some media outlets are seizing on just two words. >> it's very sad to see, but i resist the notion -- and i had this challenge as governor, because we had -- look, stuff happens, there's always a crisis. the impulse is always to do something, and it's not necessarily the right thing to do. >> for the second time in two days, the president goes all in on gun safety, as jeb bush shrugs his shoulders. >> they have nothing to say. that's why i think bush made -- basically told us what they really think. this is the price of doing business. stuff happens, get used to it.
>> the bush campaign announcing this -- it is sad and beyond craven that liberal democrats aided and aberted by some of the media, would take the comments out of context. joining us chris stirewalt, karl lee, and joe trippi. chris, is jeb bush right, that this was a media distortion? >> yes and no. taken in the larger context, yen, even the other comments outside of what we just heard, where obviously he is sympathetic, and trying to shorthand at the end. it was a mistake -- >> i've watched this thing five times. even in the full context it scum off a little tonedeaf. >> this is not just a problem for a potential general legislate rat, but also -- because republicans are concerned about the persian could you of christians, and because that's attached to this and the idea of martyrdom, he
should have been kinder. >> this reminds me of a long list of examples of politicians complaining media take them out of context. >> it reminded me of when president obama during the 2012 election said if you have a business, you didn't build that. republicans seized on that, and the job of the media is to put it into context and to, you know, not just use the one clip or a phrase, but to explain more broadly. jeb bush has this problem. he said the phrase earlier how people need to work longer hours. that was also taken out of context. and gives his position, he can't afford these mistakes. >> mitt romly did this a lot. some tv folks have made it more concise, but joe trippi, jeb bush is entitled to his view that new gun control laws aren't needed or wouldn't be effective. most republican candidates agree, but is this a sad and
craven act by the media, as he says? >> no, look, you cannot say things like this, and then -- it's like gambling in the casino. if you can't make the mistake and sort of serve that up and not expect your opponents and the press and, by the way, social media to go crazy with it, i saw this, i tweeted immediately i think stuff happens is going to trend. i was wrong about that. it went everywhere. now you've got social media driving that, you know, that it was tone-deaf or whatever, and now he's stuck in it, and you're right, it's happened over and over again with jeb bush. i think he's really hurt his candidacy, because he's not careful about the language he's using. on the other hand we're in a year where people don't want anybody to be careful about the language. had trump said something like this, very interesting, would the media -- i'm sure the media would have jumped all over it,
and his opponents, but i think -- >> coverage would have been to laugh it off. >> yeah. russia stunning the united states and the world by beginning air strikes in syria, supposedly -- let mess give you just a little sample of the sort of polarizing commentary we've had on both of left and the right. >> when bashar al assad crossed that line, the president did nothing. no won't are vladimir putin and others feel like they they can walk all over the united states. >> the only way to fight international terrorism, is to act preventively. sounds oddly familiar. no wonder conservatives can barely disguise their jealous admiration for his strong man routine. >> that's awesome. >> i would guess i would say when the chief spokesperson for the white house said that the russians will be no more successful with the military solution in syria than we were
in iraq, we sort of have reached peak stupidity on foreign policy. we have reached a space where every foreign policy question has to be relentlessly politicized, has to be ground down into nothing. >> there's a lot of criticism of president obama, understandably so, but are journalists pressing the republicans on what they would do instead? >> certainly it's appropriate they should, and certainly been a problem for trump, certainly been a problem for jeb bush. it's been to the advantage of others. what i'm saying is when you talk about that kind of horse hockey, or you have the chief spokesman for the white house defending themselves on the ground of bush lost a war, or we lost a war or whatever, we're in a real garbage space. >> journalists tend to have short memories. i don't see a lot of reporters pointing out that just a couple years ago that obama was moving towards air strikes in syria after the syrian regime used
chemical weapons. there was very little support in congress, especially among republicans, for military action. >> very little support. the white house knew that and they knew they weren't going to win on that. >> so they negotiated a solution with assad. >> what he was looking to do at the time was a specific thing, go after the chemical weapons, not, you know, try to change -- solve the civil war in syria through air strikes. now what you've seen is the dynamics have significantly shifted. you have the islamic state taking over vast parts of syria. russia is now moving in. there's complete failures of different aspects of the administration's strategy. all of this is happening around the same time, and i think the press coverage has been pretty consistent in the sense that the narrative is that the president is being dragged into something that he reluctantly doesn't want to do, and that's -- you're seeing that continue. >> here's what strikes me. i don't see liberal commentators defending president obama on this. they're criticizing the republicans or changing the
subject for bush's invasion of iraq. >> that's going to happen. what are you going to say about a situation in which there is no good solution, right? i think the one thing, the coverage has been sort of off on is sort of allowing the russians are filling the vacuum that america left or something. the reality is syria is their last place in the region, and they've been there forever. they have should have been have been -- it's not in the context -- i understand in iraq you can make that, we left and there was a vacuum and isis filled it, and all that, but the russia thing just doesn't make any sense. i don't see any real coverage that makes clear the context -- >> you mentioned donald trump earlier. when donald trump told bill o'reilly that he would be happy to let putin own syria, because he views it as a quagmire, much of the pundit gasp z group
grasped. >> it could play differently with the libertarian wing and rand paul voters. you're not supposed to actually say the thing. you're supposed to say maybe we shouldn't be policeman of the world, you're not supposed to philadelphia in the -- -- >> but trump comes out and says the actual words. >> and many americans are tired of war and our intervention. >> but i don't think they're tired of the united states being cloudy and influential in the region. >> is this the 3:00 a.m. call, joe, in the sense that now there's a commander in chief test, where foreign policy has kind of receded recently? >> yeah, i don't think there's any doubt about that. the question is, does that last? again, almost always our presidential politics is driven by the economy, and so yes, it's
definitely put it there, you know, front burner, and this may be where trump gets into trouble, because i'm not sure that some of the things he's saying are going to help him. peg of donald trump s. today a big profile at the top of the piece, dismissed as a nativist clown, and i was way too serious and high-minded, so i decided not to write about him, and felt proud and honorable about my decision. now he hayes thousands of the world. does that capture the earlier mind-set? >> i think the media often thinking that -- or people think that media is setting the tone. oftentimes the voters are telling us the story. that's exactly what's happen with donald trump. a lot of people thought it was silly season, and the voters are
saying, no, we're taking a hard look at him, and he's getting support. >> shorter version of that, a lot of journalists were just wrong. don't forget to send me a tweet, weigh in on the topic, on the media coverage. ahead, is robert redford trying to salvage dan rather's rep tailing with his new movie. when we come back, president obama rushes to make the horrifying shooting in oregon political, in his words, and the media following his
passionate speech. and the pundits, of course, quickly chose sides. somehow this has become routine. the reporting is routine, my response here at the podium ends up being routine. the conversation in the aftermath of it, we become numb to this. and somebody will says obama politicized this. this is something we should politicize. >> i was really disgusted with the president's comments tonight, his race to politicize this. >> the president feared routine in this.
carols has the coverage become routine? have we become inured to this? the republicans come out and say the government is not the answer democrats say we need more gun regulations -- >> what about the horror of all these innocent people being killed by the mass shooters. does that become routine as well? i fear it has. >> yes, it has in a lot of ways but until something changes you're not going to get a change in the way it's covered. he is sbilded to push for gun control measures but mike
problem is the timing. >> it's gross, but here's the larger problem. nothing the president is proposing would have prevented this the coverage and discussion suggests that somehow there's a piece of legislation, some bill that exists that the republicans have absolutely said we will not pass this legislation that would have addressed this or sandy hook, and the mistake that the president continues to make, a mistake that the press continue toss make is to propose things that are related to guns and the regulation of them, but not to the problem at hand. so then they are surprised when people go, no, why would we do that? that's the problem. >> i think one of the reasons is the president is proposing some access, at least on background check.
yet everybody nose nothing is going to happen because congress is deadlocked. >> and that's why you do it when everybody is paying attention. >> there's a big question, what about the 40 people who are shot in chicago. you don't see 24/7 coverage on any of those trucks. so when suddenly look, the same day probably 30, 40, 50 million people are tuning in the sheriff in oregon, john hanlin urged the media not to use the shooter's name, not to keep showing his
picture, which would glorify his horrific actions. i do worry that we are giving some of these psychopaths what they want. >> once is enough. say his name, show his picture, shut up about him. >> i'm torn about it, too. i don't know the precise answer. i think it's legitimate to el no who the shooter is. >> i think we have to report initially, but to me the fourth day story about a trouble childhood, i don't care. i don't want to reward them. >> i agree, but in the end, in the social media age that we are living in, people are going to find that information. absolutely. good note to end on. thank you very much for joining us this sunday.
ahead, my interview with rand paul on his beef with tread cruz, donald trump and the coverage of his campaign. but first robert redford's new film is called "truth." . but will it tell the truth? we always were told we were german. we were in a german dance group. i wore lederhosen. so i just started poking around on ancestry. then, i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. it turns out i'm scottish. so, i traded in my lederhosen for a kilt.
dan rather is understandably excited about the film "truth" but will it tell the truth, about the scandal that cost him his job at cbs. this paints rather and his producer as heroes. >> tonight we have new information. >> here's to a great story. >> i covered every aspect of this infamous story back in 200,
when rather accused president bush of having gone awol on the national guard. this movie vin indicates his view that the story was in fact true, but based on a producer, mary mapes that cbs fired after retracting the story. >> they dot not get to do this. >> somebody has to confirm the memos. >> this isn't a trial. this is a hunt. >> we're talking about you bringing your politics into your report. >> our story was about whether the president fulfilled his service. nobody wants to talk about that. they want to talk about fonts and forgeries. >> so here are the facts. the story was based heavily on memos said to be wring by the late squadron commander but when outsiders set the type wring documents looked like they are done on microsoft words, two of cbs' own experts told me they warned that the papers might not
be all thentic, and a key source for the story deliberately misled cbs about how he got the is documents. >> yes, i did. >> you lied to us. why would i or anyone would mislead us about something else? >> another key source, the supervisor for bush's excommander said he was, quote, misled by cbs and believes the documents are forgeries, all of which led to this moment on the cbs evening news. >> the failure of cbs news to do just that, to properly fully scrutinize the documents and their source led to our airing the documents when we should not have done so. it was a mistake. cbs news deeply regrets it. also, i want to say personally and directly, i'm sorry. >> an outside investigation commissioned by cbs found the story deeply flawed and said the key source had an anti-bush political agenda. one called the whole affair a
black eye for cbs. rather later filed a $70 million breach of contract suit against cbs, claiming that the parent company caved to pressure and he lost. the whole fiasco was a sad ending to rather's large and colorful career. he has every right to argue that this was political and corporate interference with truth telling investigative journalism, but i hope robert redford's movie doesn't whitewash what was a textbook study in journalistic malpractice. after the break, many pundits are writing off rand paul's campaign. we'll talk about that and more in our interview. with trevor noah really fill jon stewart's shoes?
rand paul's chances, but he hasn't lost any of is feistyness. i spoke to the presidential candidate here in washington. >> welcome. >> thank you. >> in this week's battle in the senate over a government shutdown and defunding planned parenthood, you went after ted cruz, saying he's pretty much done in the senate. what do you mean? >> i wouldn't call it going after. i was asked a question about different styles. i think we do have different styles. my style is when i disagree with someone, not to call them a name or be inflammatory. i can be strong in what i believe in, and i'm willing to stand up for that, but even harry reid, i have pretty good relations with him, even though he's a democrat. i wouldn't call him a liar or dishonest, because i don't think that furthers the debate, even with people you disagree with. >> as you know, and as was drama advertised by john boehner as democrat station, there was a strong hard-line faction in the
house if you're not will to close down the government over planned parenthood, ua squish, you're a rhino, you're not fighting for entrepreneur principles. >> i think we should exert the power of the purse. i am one who says we haven't been doing enough, and that we control the house and senate. frankly i've been traveling the country and yes, conservatives and republicans are very happy we're not controlling the power of the purse. many in washington will say, we don't have the votes, 60 votes to defund things. i say that's kind of backwards. if you let the spending expire, then to restarred spending, take 60 votes -- >> you've been mixing it up with donald trump, who tweeted prediction, he will announce soon, 1%. the georgia from kentucky has the floor. >> i think the rumors demise are somewhat exaggerated, to say the least, and rear doing quite well. we run a tight ship and plan
being in for the long haul. i think ultimately celebrity will filter out of this. >> you call donald trump a clown. >> yeah i think there's some clownish things he has said. i think also really what's probably more important is that i just don't believe he's a true conservative. i think that being for higher taxes, being for single payer health system, those aren't conservative notions. he was for the bank bailouts. he was also for president obama's government stimulus package, but probably the biggest issue that makes he think that trump is a fake conservatives, he's for using government's eminent domain to take property from small property owners and give it too big compses like his. he's actually personally profited by having the government do his dirty work of taking people's property. there's nothing conservative about that. >> how do you come at the growing view that your campaign is really struggling? >> one way is to look how well we do against hillary clinton.
when you look at polls, we are doing doing as well in some, but we do -- we actually lead hillary clinton in five states that were won by president obama. what does that show? it shows we have the ability to attract independents, democrats, people that you need to come to your party if you think you're going to be able to win this is battleground states. >> "time" called you the most interesting man. do you think -- >> i think i still am. >> but it's hard to break through in an environment that's dominated by trump and others. >> i'm exactly the same as i have always been. i talked about the same things, limited government, the constitution, privacy, the bill of rights, and i i continue to see our crowds grow bigger and bigger. if i weren't reading the so-called pundits and were
traveling the country as i am. every day i see bigger crowds, more enthusiasm. >> one is you started out with a deep skepticism of military intervention overseas. >> still do. >> with the growing threat from eye says and now russia starting air strikes in syria, are you still skeptical about greater u.s. involvement in syria? >> our founding fathers wanted it to be difficult to go to war. they gave the power to initiate war to congress. one of the my complaints for a long time has been that the president is sort of taking over that power. it's not his power under the constitution. the first thing we should do, should we be in syria? should we be in iraq? there needs to be a vote in congress. >> what's rand paul's answer? >> i would say i don't want boots on the ground to be u.s. boots on the ground. we've had an iraq war, and frankly i think it was a mistake. every time we have toppled a secular decrease at a timer in the middle east, weaver gotten chaos, the rise of radical islam and made it more dangerous for
us. >> i think that hillary's war in libya has made it less safe for us. the same, though, goes for as d assad. we have many peoples, president obama, hillary clinton, many republicans want to topple assad, i think it would be a mistake. i think that would allow a power vacuum for isis to move. cnbc announced a 3% threshold for -- do you think that's a fair approach by cnbc? >> interestingly we looked at the criteria pretty closely, and it looks like it would include us. we see nothing about the criteria that they have put forward that wouldn't include us. >> senator paul, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. kentucky senator has slipped below 3% in a couple recent polls so will have to reverse that trend. hillary clinton s. job bush, donald trump, ben carson all sitten do you to high-profile interviews. the media are all over his
over the airwaves, including a cnn interview with don lemon. >> i'm just concerned, if i ask you this question, if you answer directly -- do you think you are homophobic? >> no, i think i'm a very nice person, i love people. i have to tell you, when you look at the polls and -- it's across the board. >> so you think your appeal to african-america african-americans, some people may perceive you as racist. >> i just did a speech for the african-american chamber of commerce in south carolina. they just wrote the most beautiful letter i think i have received in a long time saying how unfairly i got treated. >> homophobic, fair questions? >> that question, that exchange, if it proves nothing else, it proves you can ask donald trump the most outrageous question in the world, and he will deflect it and steamroller you, this is what he did in that interview. those questions are legitimate,
but not asked in that manner. there's a way you build to that kind of question, and lemon really with that choppy -- you can feel the uncertainty in his question, with the choppiness, and the mixed motives in his head come through with that. >> i didn't like some people say you're racist. jeb bush sat down with matt lauer on the "today" show. >> clearly your resume and pedigree are perfect for the job of president. >> thanks, matt. >> you come from a family of long history of public service. and i don't mean to be funny about this. after several months in the race you're losing in the polls to the host of "celebrity apprenti apprentice." how do you get your arms around that? >> 2 doesn't matter to me in october. when we get closer to february, people are going to know, does he care about me? does he have ideas to lift me
up? >> that's the interviewer as narcissist. aren't i rhetorically clever? he's so clever with that question, and he sets had imup. you guys didn't have it in the bite, but poor jeb bush bites on it and says thank you, and it's really embarrassing. i don't ever feel any sympathy when a candidate says gotcha question, but that was needlessly to show his gullibility, and lauer couldn't let it go. >> we disagree. i though that question was perfectly fine. >> because you're an interviewer. he's been grilled about his initial comments, including by mart martha radditch on abc. >> do you stand that by now? >> i said on a -- >> i'm reading the transcript, dr. carson that's exactly what
he said. >> read the paragraph before that, where i said anybody, it doesn't matter their religious background, if they accept american values and principles and are willing to subjug ate, i don't have a problem. why do you leave that out, i wonder? >> i don't think we do. it was quite clear i would not advocate we put a muslim in charge of this nation. >> this is a fascinating one. my reaction, i thought she was hostile. i thought she was harsh, no, then i realized that's the tone a journalistic interviewer should take. ben carson does that, he says that's not what i said, and she said, no, it's in the transcript. he said, why don't you guys do this? she said, no, we do do that, good for her. we have become so used to the schmoozy-pants late-night host jimmy fallon that we think
that's harsh. she has the right journalistsic tone and we've lost it. >> you're such a great guy, zurawik. enough schmoozing. i guess what i'm trying to figure out is if you said in march the e-mail system began in march of '09, yet we have the same -- >> there was a transsession period. i wasn't that focused on my e-mail account to be clear here. >> let me stop you here. you seemed to be -- to put an e-mail server at your house, it's a complicated thing. >> yeah, but it was already there. >> didn't give up on that. >> that's chuck todd as-led colombo. i thought at first he was deferential, but i thought it was an effective interview. he caught her, especially with the e-mails when she said i wasn't involved in the review, and then we found out earlier
>> i guess i should guess going. this has been so nice. you are really easy to talk to, hill. >> you know, thanks that's the first time i've ever heard that. is >> did this help hillary? >> snl treated her gently last night. very gently. if you saw kate mckinnon, the other woman in it who's brilliant, in april when hillary clinton anoupsed with that video, the night before mckinnon shredded it, deconstructed, blew it up. she had no choice but to go on snl and try to be inside the joke rather than the butt of it. and i think in that sense it's successful. but i am really amazed at how gently they treated her. that was surprising. they were pretty hard on the republicans and bernie sanders last night. >> that's why i didn't think it was funny because they weren't making seerps fun of hillary clinton. that's what you were expecting. it helps hilly clinton.
even donald trump said. trevor noah is the new stewart on the daily show. take a look at his debut. >> jon stewart was more than a late night host. he was in many ways our political dad. and it's weird because dad has left. and now it feels like the family has hey new stepdad. and he's black. which is not ideal. >> i know you've mixed it up with jon stewart, but he was a cultural force. can trevor noah fill that chair? >> i think he's not going to fill the chair the way jon stewart did. already after one week, who could be as politically engaged and passionate as stewart? whether you agreed with him or not, you felt he actually knew what went on in congress in
1948. you know what i'm saying? he loved this stuff. he was the c-span. this is a guy who would watch c-span on a sunday night. trevor noah, how could he possibly have that kind of american political background? i think trevor noah has grace. he has energy. he is a funny guy. he may make them actually younger in that audience. i think the first night they were down six years already in terms of demographic. >> yes. >> to me, trevor noah was charming. he deliver the scripted lines well, but watching his interview, for example, with chris christie, but don't think as a south african he has much of a feel to the american politics or confidence to express it. the question seemed to me to be not -- he wasn't -- you didn't have a sense he had a world view he's delivering a take and maybe it's unfair after one week. but i think that was the key to the show's success. stewart really cared even if you lated what he shared. >> the opening night thing he did on boehner, it felt like a script, not coming from within. maybe people want, the want the
ideology of jon stewart back? here's a guy without an ideology. give him a break tv. >> it's a comedy show. if he's funny, they have a great set of writers. is it important to have a world view? that's what made the daily show special. jon stuart's fuel was his anger at politics. >> absolutely. trevor noah probably won't do a piece blasting us tomorrow like jon. >> he won't have -- it's only been a week so we'll give him a chance. david, thanks very much for stopping by. still to come, your top tweets and the media are suddenly leering over another lumping. the donald's wife melania, what is up with that?
i'm buzzed off about this one. two top army generals talked about how to suppress a "new york times" piece on a very serious topic, concussions from mandatory boxing classes at west point by plotting to get "usa today" or the "wall street journal" to talk about a more favorable study. the brass involved are army general surgeon lieutenant general patricia and the west point supervisor lieutenant general robert kaz lan jr. they spoke of deliberately delaying a response to the freedom of information request. both generals say the summary misinterpreted their remarks but it's pretty clear that these army officers paid by the taxpayers were trying to muffle a negative story on concussions and that just makes my head hurt. time for your top feets. should tv news name the oregon gunman and keep showing his picture? sports tv metaphor, don't show nuts jump ong the field and it reduces the problem.
don't understand no naming attitude. do anonymous killers make us safer? will there ever be a serious conversation about this country's gun nutry? demagogue-free. no. it only hurts the family and his too for that matter. god bless all those affected by this tragedy. amen. well, donald trump's wife has given her first interview to "people" photo and the cover photo is a gift in reminding voters he's the father of five kids. suddenly the media are mad for melania who made a rare appearance three years ago on fox. >> everybody has their own views. everybody has own opinions. and my husband has many millions and millions of followers. so -- >> and opinions. >> and opinions. and a lot of people agree with my husband. some people don't. and that's where we stand. it will always be that way. agree to disagree.
>> "new york times" has a huge profile that says if not for the donald's candidacy she'd be just another trophy spouse. seriously? the "times" deleted a tweet from the candidate's wife with a close-up photo of her in a skimpy bikini bottom what was that doing in the story? here's a front page "washington post" profile that describes her posing naked 15 years ago. the icy ice, lying seductively on a fluffy fur wearing a sparkly necklace and not a stitch of clothing. i get it, writing about a former model is far more scintillating than most spouses. but she's a nonpolitical person, a devoted mother, savvy entrepreneur, can we cool it with the heavy breathing? that's it for this edition of "media buzz." i'm howard kurtz. go to our facebook page. we have your buzz video responding to your questions. you can e-mail us.
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