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we hope you check it out. again, thanks for watching us tonight. i'm bill o'reilly. please remember, the spin stops here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight. as the fallout continues from a hard-hitting interview about the president's policy in the middle east, there are new questions about whether this picture of america in retreat is the outcome the white house wanted all along. welcome to "the kelly file," everybody. i'm shannon brean in for kelly. in the 24 hours since cbs aired that interview, it's become one of the top stories in the country. he repeatedly made the case in the 12 months since he last pressed middle ea eed mr. obaman has gotten worse. the exchanges raised significant
new questions about america's place in the world. here's an example. >> the last time we talked was this time last year. and the situation in syria and iraq have begun to worsen vis-a-vie isis. you had just unveiled a plan to provide air support for troops in iraq and also some air strikes in syria, and the training and equipping of a moderate syrian force. you said that this would degrade and eventually destroy isis. >> over time. >> over time. >> yeah. >> it's been a year and -- >> i didn't say it was going to be done in a year. >> no. but you said -- >> there's a question in here somewhere? >> there's a question. if you lock at the situation and you're looking for process, it's not easy to find. >> syria has been a difficult problem for the entire world community, and obviously most importantly, for the people of syria themselves. >> the situation with isis is, you've managed to achieve a
stalemate. but what's going to happen to isis? i mean, they have to be -- somebody has to take them on. what's going on right now is not working. they're still occupying big chunks of iraq. they're still occupying a good chunk of syria. >> right. >> who's going to get rid of them in >> over time, the community of nations will all get rid of them. >> you have been talking a lot about the moderate opposition in syria. this seems very hard to identify. >> steve, this is why i've been skeptical from the get-go about the notion that we were going to effectively create this proxy army inside of syria. >> if you were skeptical of the program defined, identify, equip and train moderate syrians, why go through the program? >> part of what we have to do here, steve, is to try different things. >> i don't know you don't want to talk about this. >> i'm fine.
>> someplace along the line made a serious miscalculation. >> steve, let me just say this -- >> it's an embarrassment. >> we have a powerful lineup tonight to analyze what's really going on with governor chris christie, fox news digital editors and an iraq and afghanistan combat veteran. we begin with chris and pete. chris, awkward! >> well, look, it made more awkward by the fact that the sort of number one obama nuzler in the whole stable of obama nuzlers, steve croft was one of the guys who framed the obama methos in 2007, the rise of this guy and he was one of obama's favorite interviews. he would go back to him, that's why croft had this access. then he got to the point where he said, you can't just say i had a plan, i never really liked it, we did it any way.
what can you do? the community of nations, whatever that is, and then say oh, yeah, but i am leading because of i'm having a conference in paris on global warming and you get to the point of utter incredulity. >> a lot of people expect the u.s. to step up when there's a threat, but chris referenced this community of nations. what is that all about? >> yeah, this community of nations, i don't know, i'm looking for this community and where it's going to be to confront isis. there is no community. it's a fallacy of the left, a fallacy of obama. they want to believe that the other side will just capitulate. his solutions is to convince the russians and the iranians to persuade assad to step down. they're in syria to prop up the assad regime because it is in
their direct interest. vladamir putin is getting his way because we have abdicated that leadership role. this president believes it's not our fight to have anymore and others have stepped in to fill that. when asked about what real leadership is, he said global climate change and engaging with iran for the nuclear deal. that's leadership for this president and that's why you see chaos in the world today. >> what do you make of the president almost analyzing himself, almost like he's not the one who made these decisions. >> right. like whoever is doing this is not doing that great. well, it's you, boss. that has been his tendency all along. underneath these sort of vapor gusts, as he talks about himself. underneath that is reality. this is what he wants.
this is by his design that the united states should not be playing a more advanced role there. that what we saw in libya was, that's what he -- i'm sure no one wanted the outcome we had in libya, but he doesn't want the united states to be playing the lead dog role. the problem it creates is for his problem. hillary clinton has to go to a debate with people who agree with the president, that a paris climate change summit is more important than who is bombing syria right now, because that will have to take care of itself and in time this puts pressure on hillary clinton to be more hawkish than obama. his party absolutely agrees with him. >> quickly, on this issue of building a coalition and the u.s. not being at the front of every single conflict around the world. president george h.w. bush is still remembered for being so great at that, in putting together a coalition where the u.s. wasn't shouldering the entire burden. it was more of an international effort to go after these
threats. >> he understood real president. president obama puts up the strawman of the only solution is 200,000, 300,000 american troops, when in reality the right amount of troops or right amount of commitment and real hard diplomacy could bring about a coalition that could defeat isis and have a clear view of the iranians and russians. he's choosing not to play. h.w. bush understood that and led, and this president doesn't believe in the geopolitical shift and putin is playing him as a fiddle as a result. >> pete, thank you for your service and for both of you being here tonight. so you heard steve croft pressing the president on the mess in the middle east and what croft called some of the embarrassing missteps.
but what got the most attention was this. watch. >> if you think running your economy into the ground and having to send troops in, in order to prop up your only ally is leadership, then we've got a different definition of leadership. my definition of leadership would be leading on climate change, an international accord that we'll get in paris. >> joining me now, the governor of new jersey, chris christie. >> you know, the fact that the president has seen over 250,000 people in syria murdered, that millions are running for their lives, to europe and other nations in the middle east, and he thinks the way leadership should be shown is on climate change? he's so woefully out of touch with the american people and what they're concerned about. it is startling. it's part of his own incredibly liberal agenda, that he doesn't
even care anymore that he promised to protect those people in syria. >> he did draw a red line there. both sides said he didn't deliver on that. do you think that left a vacuum, as we've seen many vacuums in the middle east that when there's an open space trouble inserts itself? >> he did even worse than that. not only did he leave a vacuum, but then he invited putin in. remember when he refused to enforce the red line, he asked putin to help and broker a deal. so putin came in at the president's invitation. so the bombing and everything else that russia is now involved in, the president invited. he thinks putin is being weak? he's being aggressive and ugly and a thug, but he's not being weak. the weak ling is in the oval office. >> you said you would, as president chris christie, have a no-fly zone and tell putin if
you violate it, we're coming after you. would you shoot down russian planes? >> if need be, yes. i don't think he would come into the no-fly zone. this is a guy punching above weight. his economy is bad, his military is in decline. but because he has the weakling in the office, he can push him all over the place. i would say we're setting up a no-fly zone to protect the people you say you're not interested in bombing. let's call his bluff and protect the syrian rebels. if he violates it, i would tell him candidly, don't test me. >> the house gop right now trying to figure out who is going to run, who will be the new speaker. you basically said the average american people don't care about that. >> who care? >> a lot of the problem is people send folks to washington to challenge the status quo.
they're now being blamed for preventing the easy collection of a speaker. but constituents back home said that's okay, we want you to play hardball. so many american people are invested. >> i think they're invested into getting conservative republican items passed through congress and on the president's desk. so he either signs them or on record vetoing them. it's everyone's fault down there. i compromise every day in new jersey with a democratic legislature. >> all the things you just talked about, you've invested a lot of time in new hampshire. we talked earlier up there. but the latest polling shows that you're in eighth place when it comes to republican primary voters. 3% of the vote. over the weekend, "the washington post" writing an article this wasn't where you expected to be. how do you change that number? >> that's a national number and
who cares about the national polls at this point? we're in fourth place in new hampshire and moving up in iowa. if the election were tomorrow, i would be concerned. the election is not until february. i'm not really worried. come to me during the nfl playoffs and if i'm still down there, i'll have things to worry about. >> all right. thank you, governor. good to see you. thanks for coming in. we also have breaking news on bowe bergdahl. the more than half dozen men who died searching for him, and how the army has decided to handle his case. mike huckabee is here on that. and lieutenant colonel tony
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breaking tonight. new fallout in the case of sergeant bowe bergdahl, accused of deserting his post in 2009. touching off a search that critics say led to the deaths of at least half a dozen men. we got reports this weekend bergdahl will face court-martial on charges of desertion or more but may avoid jailtime and a lesser court-martial. to weigh in, governor mike huckabee and former cia intelligence operative lieutenant colonel tony shaffer. we begin with colonel shaffer. you've been one step ahead of this case. are you surprised by the recommendation and what do you think comes next if >> no, i think the attorney made
a very compelling case. he tugged at everybody's heart strings, presented a completely false narrative that somehow bowe bergdahl was actually a good guy and deserted his post not to join the taliban or take drugs, but to report wrongdoing of his fellow service members at the front. let me be clear, there was an investigation after bergdahl left, there was no evidence of any wrongdoing. so one of the things we should be looking at is the whole defense is a lie. therefore, i think that should be a mitigating circumstance against him. pu unfortunately right now the recommendation is for a special court-martial, which is lesser. a general court-martial could result in a harsh punishment. with a special court-martial, the max he could get is up to a year in jail, which is way too low for what the crime clearly was. >> what do you make of the
testimony that we've heard from the army investigator who says despite what many have said, he says no troops actually died looking for bergdahl. >> that's false. i don't know what the general was thinking. by our estimate there were seven u.s. soldiers, three british soldiers killed incidental to hooking for bergdahl. this is a problem. you cannot link each to bergdahl. with that said, these soldiers were asked to divert from other missions to go and do a detailed search of a very hostile area. the taliban were looking for the guys to look for them. so they were ambushed a number of times. so it's very difficult to basically charge each incident. but there's no doubt that these individuals, these ten individuals died in the process of trying to find bergdahl. >> my understanding is that now general adams still has a say in this. there's a chance he may differ
with the recommendation. colonel, thank you for your service and joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> here now, presidential candidate govern nor mike huckabee. your reaction to how this is unfolding? >> bergdahl was a traitor. he was a deserter. under the rules of the united states military, if you desert in the course of combat, you could face each up to the death sentence, which probably would have been handed to him in world war ii. here's another problem. we gave away five of the top taliban leaders for this one guy who is a deserter. by the way, the president of the united states broke the law when he did that, because the law requires 30 days' notice to the members of congress. he gave only a few days to senator dianne feinstein. so there's a lot here, and i don't think this story ought to believe over just because bergdahl gets a slap on the wrist and discharged. he should be dishonorably
discharged. this should come to full circle and i think some higher ups in the military have a lot to answer for. it's apparent they don't want to offend the white house. that ought to be troubling to everybody. >> we'll wait to see what the next step is here, and if this general decides to follow these recommendations or not. no surprise that you're critical of the president making a deal with the taliban. you don't like the iran nuke deal he made either and you're questioning his leadership overall. your reaction to a bit of a struggle in explaining some of his decisions in that interview last night. >> it was a disastrous interview on the part of the president. he proved last night a point i often make, the most dangerous person in the room is the person who doesn't know what he doesn't know. and the problem with president obama, he is completely confident of his ability, and as i used to say of someone who i will leave unnamed, he's often
wrong but never in doubt. and this is a president who is often wrong. shannon, he's never in doubt. he's convinced that he is the smartest guy in the room, and he doesn't know what he doesn't know. that's why we ended up with a terrible deal with iran, a deadly one. a terrible deal for bergdahl. a miscalculation in every part of the middle east, whether it was yemen, egypt, libya, syria, wherever there could be a decision to be made. it's almost as if you can guaranty he would not read it right and the result would be disaster. >> you want to replace him. the national polling puts you at 2%. you're tied for ninth place. how do you turn that around and are you going to watch the democratic debate tomorrow night? >> i'm going to be driving across the state of iowa tomorrow. i'll be listening to it. hopefully i'll be able to at least listen to it. >> so your time there in iowa,
where do you get traction? you've done there well obviously in the past. but how do you turn 2% into a win? >> you know, i like at these polls and sometimes i just don't buy into it. but first of all, if we want to go on national polls, let's celebrate the election of rudy giuliani in 2008 and herman cain in 2012, because at this point, both of them were leading in national polls. so if anybody believes that those polls really are an ak r5 -- accurate predictor of who will be president, history has been wrong repeatedly. you can be an unbeaten kentuckian in regular season, but in march madness if you don't win the early games, you won't be in the final four. and this is just like that. you have to win early stages. that's what we're doing.
>> hearts get broken in march madness every year. great to see you. thanks for joique us tonight. >> thanks, shannon. iranian media is reporting that "washington post" reporter held in iran for more than a year has been convicted of charges of espionage. our own james rosen is on that story. that's next, and how this plays into the president's deal with iran. and later, you're going to meet the university professor who just quit his job, because the school is going to allow concealed carry guns on campus. >> i just want them to take the risk of teaching a class because looks like some folks have had it with their airline credit card miles. sometimes those seats cost a ridiculous number of miles... or there's a fee to use them. i know. it's so frustrating. they'd be a lot happier with the capital one venture card. and you would, too! why? it's so easy with venture. you earn unlimited double miles
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and raises new questions about the president's deal with iran, and the americans, plural, being held by the iranian regime. with more on this, james rosen. hey, james. >> reporter: shannon, good evening. this past weekend, the length of jason's incarceration in iran extended beyond the 444 day mark.as now been there longer than the americans who were taken hostage in 1979. it was 4 1/2 months before he was even charged with crimes, charged with espionage. he's married to an iranian citizen. news emerged from state run outlets and no sentence has been announced. >> outrageous, and our thoughts are, incomprehensible as we watch what's happening here. to his mother and wife who went
to the court today to seek clarity, they were turned away and told there wasn't a translator available. this is simply cruel and appalling. >> he's one of four americans believed to be detained in iran, but secretary of state john kerry has long defended the wisdom of not linking this case to the nuclear deal. he argues nuclear diplomacy was complex enough. but he's recently said he's fixated on these cases. >> it's my hope that over the course of the next few days, weeks, but as short as possible, i hope our citizens will come home. and we're continuing to focus on it. >> are you saying that swaps are a possibility, that it's on the table? >> i'm not saying anything about any modality with respect to
what might or might not happen. but we are focused on getting our citizens home and we'll continue that conversation. >> family members say he's been deprived of medication for high blood pressure and his physical condition has deteriorated dramatically. >> james, thank you very much for the update tonight. also tonight, a pointed new tv commercial is getting lots of attention for taking on the pc mindset. we'll show it to you. plus, as two outside experts clear the police officer involved in the shooting of 12-year-old tamir rice, sheriff david clark and mark hanna are here. >> those reports don't even >> those reports don't even contain half of good. very good.
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breaking developments in a controversial police shooting that's been at the center of the black lives matter movement for months. not one, but two outside experts have now seemed to clear the officer who fatally shot a 12-year-old in cleveland saying he was justified in his actions. despite that development, democratic front-runner hillary clinton is now weighing in on the case, and not on the side of police. we've got sheriff david clark and democratic strategist mark hanna in a minute. but first, trace gallagher with the investigation into the rice shooting. >> the initial call came in as someone pointing probably a fake gun, but the fake part was never relayed to the officers who pulled their squad car within a few week of tamir rice. officer timothy lawman, riding in the passenger side, claims he saw rice reach for a gun in his
waist band, then shot and wounded the boy who died later. he was carrying an air soft pellet gun, and now two separate reports say the shooting was reasonable. lamar sims, a colorado prosecutor and use of force expert issued a 52-page report concluding, the officer believed that rice posed a threat of serious physical harm or death, was reasonable as was his response to the perceived threat. retired fbi agent kimberly crawford's report was eight page where is he said, it is my conclusion that officer lowman's use of deadly force falls under the realm of the reasonableness. the rice family says instead of letting the evidence speak for itself, the prosecutor poisoned the well. listen. >> the rice family feels now that the grand jury process has been tainted by the prosecutor's
conduct, and as a result, they will not receive justice from the criminal justice process under this prosecutor. it's just not going to happen. >> the ohio highway patrol released a report, but it does not offer an opinion, only logistics. >> trace, thank you very much for bringing us up to date. despite these reports, democratic presidential front-runner hillary clinton is being an expert on this. now today sending out a message of support to royce's loved ones saying, too many black families are mourning the loss of a child. last week she met with some black lives matter ak ctivists d today said this, racism is america's original sin. >> what would i ask hillary at tuesday's debate tomorrow? first, if racism is truly america's original sin, as you just tweeted, why are so many
black and brown people risking their lives to come here? can you explain how, even at our worst, we are still the best? do you ever worry that pandering to fractions divides an already fractured country? >> sheriff david clark and mark hanna, welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> sheriff, we have two outside investigations, one by a former fbi agent, another by a prosecutor saying that the officer, you know, lamenting the death of a 12-year-old but saying the officers acted in a reasonable manner. but there are those casting doubt on the case. sheriff? >> well, first of all, mrs. bill clinton is showing that she is willing to prostitute herself to secure the black vote. she knows that's her ace in the hole when it comes to pers s ts
sanders. that sort of pandering is unbecoming of someone that wants to be president of the united states. she's aware of the objectiveness reasonableness standard, that officers have to make split second decisions when to use force. you can't use 20/20 hand sight. she knows that, that it's the reasonable officer standard. once you strip away the emotion, the hyperbole and the rhetoric involved in this tragic case, all that's left are the facts and circumstances. it's the rule of law standard that has to prevail. >> mark, those are tough words and the sheriff is not ahone thinking mrs. clinton is politicizing this. what do you say? >> if pandering to factions is, you know, giving voice to a lot of frustrations in the black community, let's lock at what she tweeted. too many black families are experiencing these tragedies. i don't think that sheriff clark would disagree with that.
i don't think he would disagree that there is some residual -- >> i would disagree whole heartedly. there is no data or research to suggest that. show me the data that says law enforcement officers are using an inordinate amount of force against young black males in the united states. >> do you think that it's reasonable than police officers shot and killed within two seconds of getting out of their car, shot and killed a 12-year-old boy, and do you think he would have done it if that boy was white? >> first of all, let's get rid of the -- >> yes or no? >> let me go by the reasonable officer standard. yes, i do believe they acted very reasonably -- >> do you think that's okay in america? >> these decisions are made in split seconds when to use force and how much to use. >> you know ohio is an open carry -- it's legal to carry a gun.
>> a couple of things that are important here is that we are told that the orange tip that is on toy guns, on fake guns, was removed in this case. so officers would not have been able to see that. they were told that somebody was pulling a gun in and out of their clothing. they arrived on the scene without the facts we know now, mark. >> shit is true there was a toy gun involved, but it's an open carry state. >> it's 20/20 hand sight. those officers did not know that at the time. >> mark, i want to talk about the political angle here. as the sheriff pointed out, mrs. clinton is a brilliant person. she's a well experienced lawyer. is it fair to say that she is leveraging something, that she knows will incite a certain reaction from people in order to engender support while ignoring some of the legal information in
this case, mark? >> i think we should all ignore certain legal information in this case, because it's not just a legal matter, it's an ethical matter and moral obligation. sheriff, you said tamir rice was armed. you seem to suggest that this 12-year-old boy was partly responsible for his own killing. i think that's extraordinarily distasteful. i don't think the officer necessarily intentionally killed somebody. this might have been an accident. but i don't think these accidents -- >> first of all, sir, i don't have a facebook page, so i don't know where you're getting that from. but once you strip away the emotion, which you're coming from, the rhetoric, the facts and circumstances remain. there's the reasonable officer standard and there's no doubt these officer also be cleared of criminal wrongdoing. it's tragic, no doubt. >> there's still the matter of a grand jury to decide whether
there will be criminal charges. thank you both for joining us. up next, the new gun law allowing students to carry concealed firearms on college campuses in texas has touched off a big controversy. we'll talk to a professor who says he's leaving his job because of this. and reaction from mark fuhrman. a car company is fighting back against the pc parents. wait till you see it. >> why did we get the same trophy than all those teams we beat? are we going to endgames with hugs instead of hand shakes? no, no, no, no, let me talk to you about retirement. a 401(k) is the most sound way to go. let's talk asset allocation. sure. you seem knowledgeable, professional. i'm actually a dj. [ dance music plays ] woman: [laughs] no way! that really is you? if they're not a cfp pro, you just don't know. cfp -- work with the highest standard.
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professor, thanks for joining us. i know you've been there for more than two decades. was this a tough decision for you? >> it wasn't for some reasons. i'm 72, i have a large pension, with a number of outside opportunities. this law did push me over the edge saying it's time to get out of here. >> what specifically is your fear? you knows those on the other side will argue if more are armed on campus, somebody could stop a potential perpetrator. >> the issue is not so much somebody coming into the classroom from the outside, but rather a student in the classroom or more likely a student in my office who is upset about a grade and pulls a gun on me. i'm not going to carry a gun. i don't want to be involved in a gun fight. i teach classes to 500 students. so with that many, it enhances the risk. >> if someone is disgruntled or
disturbed enough to show up to a campus with a gun with a plan of harming you or another professor, how does this new law any different? it would make them legal to carry a concealed gun, but if somebody is disturbed enough that they want to carry out a crime, or just target you, how does this law make it more permissible for them to do that? >> i'm not so much worried about the person who has planned ahead of time to come to campus or my office. i'm worried about a student who comes in to complain about a grade, who is carrying a gun, gets angry and snaps, pulls out the gun and shoots me. it's not just me, but any professor faces an increased risk. >> so you are worried that somebody who is legally licensed to carry, who otherwise is a law
abiding citizen who gets upset over a grade may shoot you? >> absolutely. i've had students get very angry in class. i've had other professors mention to me things disgruntled students to. these people, under age 25, guys' brains are not fully formed and they occasionally go berserk. this increases the risk to all faculty. >> so the school does say there's a statement that they are going to continue getting input from faculty and others as they work out exactly how this is going to work on campus. they've acknowledged your letter and worries about this. and certainly wish you the best in your teaching endeavors elsewhere. professor, thank you for your time. >> thanks for having me. >> for more on this topic, we go to former lapd detective mark fuhrman. okay. that's his choice. but what do you make of the reasoning behind it? >> well, shannon, it seems more
of a protest than it does a logical response to a safety issue. certainly, the safety issue is diminished, not enhanced. and to think this professor would think that a 25-year-old man or student, his brain isn't fully developed and he would shoot somebody over a bad grade would make me think the professor needs to get off campus and out into the world a little bit. rational people just don't do that over a bad grade. >> how do you respond to those who are worried about this law, saying it will mean there are more guns on campus. if there are misunderstandings or accidents and they question somebody who is trained with a concealed carry license could stop a shooter. they think it's going to create more harm than good. >> let's take the first, that there's going to be a lot of funs. there's probably already concealed carry guns on campus,
even though it's not allowed, but people still do it. it's a public campus and certainly there's probably already guns there. to think that everybody is going to run out and get a concealed weapon because they can take it to class is absurd. so you're going to have a small faction of people that are trained, legal, law abiding citizens that have made the effort to become license. i would like to note none of the mass shootings in recent memory have had anybody that's a shooter with a concealed weapon issue tactically that if there is a shooting on campus, the police responding do have a difficult time telling the suspect from a good guy if you have more than one weapon on campus or somebody is responding to a suspect. that does present a tactical issue for the police because the good guy thinks he's the good
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