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>> it's my favorite. >> no chocolate with cornflakes. >> best hour ever. >> we got to go. you guys continue that in the break. up next, we're having chocolate. republican presidential candidates snipe at each other, but gang up on the debate moderators. now, the day after, this is "special report." good evening, welcome to washington, i'm brett baier, tonight we have limited commercial breaks, thanks to our sponsor for the hour, norfolk southern. fewer and shorter breaks and a lot more news and analysis. we begin tonight with the republican presidential race and the fallout from last night's third candidate debate. presidential candidate and texas senator ted cruz will join us live here shortly. but first, chief political correspondent carl cameron has our top store tri ri from
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boulder, colorado. >> the front-runners gave their own reviews, ben carson who turned in a low-key performance held a denver area rally with 1500 people. the candidate told reporters he's reaching out to other campaigns to push for format changes in future debates. >> an opportunity to be able to lay out your plan for something. and then be questioned about it. and then go to the next one. have them lay theirs out and be questioned about it. that would be useful. >> donald trump was in reefo, nevada, on offense after a debate showing that was subdued compared to the last two appearances. >> and who won the debate? >> you did. >> jeb bush after downsizing needed a big night. seemed to know he didn't have it he announced the endorsement of former new hampshire senator, judd gregg. >> it's not on life support, we have the most money. we're doing fine. >> marco rubio got rave reviews from across the gop and the press.
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but downplayed the significance to fox nurse news in hopes of averting the increased scrutiny that follows a breakout performance. >> it's part of a long process, we felt good about this debate. >> it was feisty with a lot of criticism with candidates of the moderators for bias, rubio had a big night. when jeb bush went after the senator for missing votes, rubio turned the tables. >> marco, when you signed up for this, this was a six-year term. you should be showing up to work. >> i don't remember you ever complaining about john mccain's voting record. the only reason you're doing it now is because we're running for the same position. >> senator ted cruz was another standout. he and rubio are battling for third in the national polls and cruz had the best zinger of the night, slamming the moderators for slanted questions. >> you look at quiet, ben carson, can you do math. john kasich will you insult two people over here. marco rubio, why don't you resign. jeb bush, why have your numbers fallen. how about talking about the s
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substantive issues that people care about. >> republicans united against liberal media bias. >> even in new jersey what you're doing is called rude. >> had another strong moment, when bush who did little to reassure donors or get his campaign on track. perked up on a question about regulating gambling on fantasy football. >> first of all i'm 7-0 in my fantasy football league. >> we have $19 trillion in debt. we have people out of work, we have isis in and al qaeda attacking us and we're talking about fantasy football? >> drump went off an rival only once when john kasich attacked both carson's and trump's policy proposals as fantasies. >> his poll numbers tanked, that's why he's on the end. and he got nasty. so you know what, you can have him. >> carson avoided any major mistakes and defended his economic plan. >> i didn't say the rate would be 10%. i used the tithing analogy. >> i understand that.
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but if you -- >> if you look at the numbers. >> the rate is going to be much closer to 15%. >> as rubio dissociates himself from bush, he's casting himself now as an outsider. >> including the republican national senatorial committee openly opposed me in 2010. when i decided to run for president, many of the same people in the establishment came out and said it's not your turn. wait in line. you heard that last night in the debate. you need to wait in line. >> rubio is not going to be resigning his seat any time soon. this afternoon the democratic minority leader of the u.s. senate harry reid came out and urged him to resign, anyway. rubio and many other candidates will be heading to iowa this weekend for a cattle call and a pheasant hunt. the next debate is 12 weeks from now. 12 days from now. in milwaukee, hosted by fbn. brett? >> carl cameron, live in boultder, colorado, carl, thanks. let's talk about the debate and 2016 campaign with texas senator ted cruz, joins us now in the studio. welcome, senator.
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a little traveling. were you one of the winners last night by all accounts on social media and i across the board. was that moment a planned moment for you or something that evolved. >> it wasn't planned, as i listened to the questions rolling out, they each became more and more egregious and it became apparent that the moderators, they weren't there trying to actually help primary voters decide who to vote for. their object was to belittle, to insult each of the candidates and to get them fighting as much as possible. and you know, i just think that's ridiculous and it's not beneficial. you know, brett, i mean i ask a question, why would any republican primary debate be moderated by people who no one on earth thinks would ever actually vote in a republican primary. >> but you know news organizations do these debates. do you think the rnc is at fault for how this debate structure has been put together? >> sure. because the democratic debates are primarily moderated by liberals. and the republican debates are
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primarily moderated by liberals. so they have, it's the same people, by and large and they have different objects. in the democratic debate, they get a ton of love from the moderators and it's all praising the different candidates, avoiding too much clash. on the republican side, you look at an awful lot of the media interviewers, their object is whoever the republican nominee is, to beat up on them, and to have people either stay home or vote for hillary clinton. >> but you're not afraid of tough questions. tough get to a general election if you're the nominee. >> look, i go on tough questions all the time. but let's have a debate that's actually useful. so for example, last night i suggested how about having a debate. moderated by sean hannity and mark levin and rush limbaugh. i think republican primary voters would like to see that those are strong rock-crib conservatives, they're going to be voting in a republican primary and they're going to ask questions that would actually help people determine who has
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been the strongest conservative. who has been consistent. not people who are sitting there, for example last cycle in 2012. we all remember george st stephanopoulos. you remember all the candidates were puzzled and scratching your head on birth control. he kept asking and asking. we found out about a month later that was the opening charge of the democrats' made-up war on women. that it was a, a so-called media person who obviously had been a clinton political operative. launching the first wave of an attack. why would our primary debates be moderated by people with an agenda of defeating whoever the republican nominee is. >> let's go to some substance here. the question you were asked when you went into the comment about the questions that were being asked was, was about the debt limit increase and the budget deal. does your opposition to it, they asked, show that you're not the kind of problem solver american
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voters want? that was the question that was asked. >> it's one of those -- >> didn't get to the answer, but what would have been your answer? >> they finally let me answer later on and i took what little opportunity i had to call out. the questions and i would note the biased questions that they were leveling at everybody, at donald trump, at ben carson. >> is there a debt limit increase bill you would vote for? >> of course. my position consistently has been that congress should use every tool we have to rein in the out of control extend spending and debt. i wrote a book this summer called a time for truth. the opening chapter, men dasty, talks about the last debt limit fight. where i argued to my colleagues this has proven to be the most effective leverage congress has with the president. in the last 55 times congress has raised the debt ceiling, it's attached meaningful conditions 28 times. so we should use it to try to help fix the underlying problem of out of control spending. >> but this time seems like a
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fateit accompli, doesn't it? >> it does and you'll recall, when john boehner stepped down i said the consequence is that boehner has cut a deal with nancy pelosi to raise the debt ceiling and to fund all of obama's big-government priorities for the next two years. some of the media blasted me and said you don't know that. and i know exactly what it meant. you look at what happened in the house of representatives. every single democrat in the house voted for this, because it is a blank credit card for barack obama. only a handful of republicans voted for it. and now mitch mcconnell, who is allegedly the republican leader, is ramming through a vote at 1:00 tonight, he'll have every single democrat there. and again he'll have a handful of republicans. now why do the so-called republican leadership force through votes that all the democrats agree with and a majority of republicans oppose. it's why people are so frustrated. >> do you support raising the spending caps for defense? or should they stay flad flatt? >> of course we should increase
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defense spending, but we ought to pay for it by cutting elsewhere. >> okay. here's what some of the people on twitter, we asked for questions on twitter. peter carlson wrote in. why should we elect a one-term senator who can't get along with his own party and hasn't had any real accomplishment in elective office? don't know if he's a fan or not. but he tweeted it. >> well look, it doesn't surprise me that there are people on twitter that are launching attacks. and you know what, the premise of this question is right. if you want someone that will go along and get along with washington right now, i ain't your guy. and it's one of the striking things that that debate, where every candidate is posturing, is holding themselves out as an outsider. is saying i will fight washington. and i think the reason brett that our campaign is getting such enormous enthusiasm, is primary voters are asking, okay, of all of these candidates, who actually has stood up and fought washington. stood up and taken on not only
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dr democrats, but leaders in their own party. >> you definitely have led fights against obamacare, against immigration, against the epa. but obama is still around, immigration -- >> let's be very clear on immigration. i led the fight against obama's am nesty. against the gang of eight bill. championed by barack obama. by chuck schumer and marco rubio. and i led the fight standing side by side with jeff sessions and we defeated it in congress. amnesty did not pass. you want to talk about fights? >> a block is a legislative win. >> blocking something that is bad, is harmful, is good. i'll give you another example. over two years ago, following the tragic shooting in newtown, connecticut, the democrats came out with a massive raft of new gun control proposals, i led the opposition against it. i remember chuck schumer being on sunday shows saying they were in the sweet spot. nothing could stop this. we defeated every one of those proposals on the floor of the senate. defending the second amendment right to keep and bear arms.
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i'll give you another example of standing and leading a fight and winning. if you'll recall when israel was facing rocket fire from hamas, and the obama administration canceled all flights to israel. and i publicly called them out and said did the obama administration just launch an economic boycott on israel? they haven't done this for pakistan, for yemen, even much of ukraine. this was just months after a passenger airliner had been shot down by a russian missile. why did they put discriminatory efforts on israel? within hours, the state department is being asked, is this an economic boycott on israel? the heat and light and pressure became so great that they lifted the flight ban within 36 hours. >> much has been made of marco rubio's missing votes. it came up in the debate. too much or a legitimate issue? >> listen i'm not interested in the back and forth and fighting. i will say the question primary voters are asking me and i assume they're asking the other candidates, is show me where you
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stood and led, show me where you stood and fought. >> he missed 34%. he missed 99 votes. you've missed 70 votes, 24%. so is this too much about not a lot? >> well listen, marco is exactly right. that every senator who has run for president has missed a fair number of votes. john mccain did and john kerry did and hillary clinton did and barack obama did and interestingly enough, the media only seems to notice the republicans they don't like. now i will say that there are choices for whether you show up to important fights so for example, let's take the last debate, the cnn debate that was in california. the next day was the vote on the iran nuclear deal. now both marco and i had fundraisers scheduled all day in california the next day. i drove from that debate to the airport to take the red eye commercial flight all night to be here to vote against the iran nuclear deal. because i've been leading the fight against it. i ended up skipping all of my
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fundraisers in california. >> it's the quality of the vote that matters? >> being there for major fights, whether it is to stop amnesty, whether it's to protect our second amendment, stop the iranian nuclear deal or whether tws to lead the fight against planned parenthood that was another vote that, it's not even just the votes. you know, the question that i think primary voters are asking, is when have you actually stood up and taken on washington. >> let me ask you a couple more things. paul ryan sworn in as house speaker today. you recently refused to answer a question about whether he was a true conservative. why? >> well because as you know, i repeatedly said i was going to stay out of the speaker election, leave that for the house to make. you know, i will say -- >> clearly he's led a lot of fights. including -- on entitlement reform and other things. >> i like paul, he's smart. i like him as a friend. i will say that john boehner has started off paul ryan speakership, on a really
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difficult note. because this deal was was cut raises spending by $80 billion. raises our debt, gives in to obama, it's a complete surrender. and it's designed as boehner said to clear the decks. which means we will have no meaningful fights for the next year and a half. i think that's unfortunate. i will say this, brett, one of the things we've seen that is shown just how hungry primary voters who for someone who will stand and fight against washington is from the beginning of the debate, until midnight last night, we raised $772,000 online at we're now sitting here, 22 hours after the debate started, we've raised over $1 million 1 million at that -- is a real demonstration. i think hunger republican primary voters have for someone
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who will stand and fight for. >> joy writes you courageously stand against congress, as president how will you get them to work with you? a lot of people look at you, senator, as a bit divisive when it comes to working with the other side. and we see that in social media. we see it in people who characterize you upon capitol hill. >> but let me make a point. that if you're going to stand against washington, washington will fight back. if you stand up against the washington cartel. you get attacked by democrats. you get attacked by the media. you get attacked by republicans. so anyone who says i'm never divisive, that means they've never stood against washington. that's how you are not divisive. is you don't actually take principled stands on anything. and let me point as an example, if you want to break the washington cartel, change how the city operates, the best example you and i have seen in our lifetimes is ronald reagan. now people look back at reagan with rose-colored glasses now and remember sunny optimism.
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it's worth remembering in 1976, reagan primary gerald ford. you want to tick off republican leadership in washington? come within an inch of beating the incumbent republican president, in a primary. washington politicians loathed reagan. now how did he change congress and change washington? because he took the case to people and the reagan revolution was a grassroots tidal wave. >> you're feeling that? >> that is exactly what our campaign is we announced today, 77,000 volunteers across this country. and i'll give an example. >> i got to run, senator. i'm going to wrap it up here. you feel good about last night's debate. but you have challenges ahead. you're in the middle of the pack. >> i feel terrific. yesterday i rolled out our tax plan. a 10% simple flat tax. on individuals across the board. the first 36,000 for a family of four. is tax zero. no income tax. no payroll tax no death tax and
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we abolish the irs. if you go to our website,, you can see the details. >> you got it in three times. >> i'm doing my best. >> i appreciate your time. paul ryan says the house is broken. new house speaker says he's not about settling scores, but wiping the slate clean. ryan takes the gavel at a time of almost unprecedented animosity between democrats and republicans. chief congressional correspondent mike emmanuel on what ryan plans to do. >> the honorable paul d. ryan of the state of wisconsin, having received a majority of the votes cast is dually elected as speaker of the house. >> at age 45, paul ryan is the youngest speak anywhere 146 years. he takes over at a turbulent time and ryan admitted the house is broken. >> a lot is on our shoulders. so if you ever pray, let's pray for each other. republicans for democrats, and
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democrats for republicans. >> ryan signaled his leadership style will seek to be more inclusi inclusive. giving every member a chance to contribute. >> if you know the issue, you should write the bill, let's open up the process, let people participate. and they might change their mind. a neglected minority will gum up the works. >> in nominating him, congresswoman kathy mcmorris rodgers noted ryan's reluctance. >> he did not seek this office, the office sought him. >> the vote lacked drama with ryan earning 236 to win on the first ballot and nancy pelosi receiving 184. >> today in this house, a page it turned, a new chapter has begun. today the gavel passes to a proud son of wisconsin. the first speaker from wisconsin. >> ryan's colleagues sound hopeful there will be unity with the fresh start. >> one of paul's strengths is that he does have a a really
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strong understanding of the institution itself. >> ryan became well-known nationally after serving as mitt romney's running mate in the 2012 campaign. today romney and his wife, ann, were on hand to celebrate with the ryans. >> a man of uncommon intelligence and obvious experience and an ego that's held in check that allows him to reach across to people of different viewpoints in his own party and the opposition party. think he'll be a wonderful speaker of the house. >> ryan called the retiring john bainary man of character, a class act who departs congress after 25 years, just shy of five years as speaker. >> i leave with noegrets new york city burdens. if anything, i leave the way i started. i just a regular guy. humbled. by the chance to do a big job. that's what i'm most proud of. i'm still just me. >> now ryan has that big job and will face early tests on a critical highway bill in funding the government beyond december 11th, his honeymoon may be brief
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once the issues start to heat up. >> do you think paul ryan can get things done as house speak centre let me know at we may use your comment later with the panel. while paul ryan settles in as second in line to the presidency, hillary clinton's quest for the top job has her courting votes in the primary lead-off state of new hampshire. chief white house correspondent ed henry tells us the democratic front-runner is giving you the silent treatment. >> i'm not quitting. >> hillary clinton is back to not answering reporters' questions. no press conference since october 14th. preferring softballs from voters. >> how do you feel about becoming the first female leader of this country and arguably the world's biggest economy. >> i feel pretty good about it. >> all part of clinton's comeback strategy, riding high in the polls again, she's acting like she's already the democratic nominee. and focusing her fire on the
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republican field. >> you would have been better off watching the world series. because the debate in my view was a swing and a miss. didn't really further the national conversation. >> yet clinton also took a lot of hits herself in the debate and its aftermath. since almost all of the republican candidates are taking the same approach. that she will be the nominee. >> if we're not tough enough to stand up and interject like i did last night, you're not tough enough to be on the stage with hillary clinton next september. >> the biggest hit came from republican marco rubio. who charged in the debate and again today, clinton was caught lying in her benghazi testimony. when it was revealed she privately told her own family, as well as diplomats, the tragedy came from a terror attack. >> she went to the families of these victims and told them this is because of a video. if that, that was a republican that had done that, there would be editorial ace cross this country asking them 0 drop out of the race. instead what we got was headlines saying, hillary's back. >> clinton has had two news conferences in six weeks she
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answered 11 hours of questions from the benghazi panel. where she said her story evolved as the intelligence changed. meanwhile, clinton still has to win the nomination battle over democratic socialist bernie sanders, who held a rally at george mason university that was streamed to college ace cross the nation as he tries to cut into the obama coalition. >> what a great turn-out. >> he still leads here in nam shi, which is why today clinton traveled to the far north end of the granite state near the vermont border, hitting a coffee shop in sanders' neck of the woods. >> you have snickerdoodles? >> hillary clinton campaign hearing in new hampshire behind me hopes that she's turned the corner on her trust issues. tomorrow the state department will be releasing more of her official email. a reminder, that drip-drip continues. brett? >> ed, thank you. up next, russian war planes buzz an american aircraft carrier after other aggressive moves, first some of our fox affiliates around the country, fox 17 in
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nashville as a manhunt continues for a kentucky fugitive. 62-year-old floyd ray cook has eluded authorities since saturday when allegedly shot and wounded a tennessee police officer. two of cook's known associates were arrested after a violent confrontation with u.s. marshals last night. wsvn in miami with 18 people injured when a plane caught fire at ft. lauderdale airport. 110 passengers were aboard the dynamic airways boeing 767 when the left engine caught fire as it taxied for takeoff for a flight to venezuela new york city one was seriously hurt. a live look at seattle from our affiliate, q 13 fox, a little rainy there, the big story there tonight, a bremerton high school football coach has been suspended for refusing to stop his practice of praying at games. joe kennedy was put on leave after a group of self-described satanists said they planned to attend tonight's game to protest that practice. coach's lawyers have indicated they may sue the school
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district. tonight's live look outside the beltway from "special report," we'll be right back after a much shorter-than-usual first commercial break. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
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we told you it would be quick. an international news, china is abolishings its one child to a family policy. the 1979 rule has been watered down over the years. today's decision by the ruling communist party allows all married couples to have two children. the original intent was to curb population growth. now some analysts say there are too few young people in the labor force there. today president obama's press secretary tried to clarify a comment made yesterday by a pentagon official in baghdad. who said u.s. troops in iraq are in fact in combat. here's our exchange with our own kevin corke. >> just so i'm clear, the mission may not be a combat mission, but there will be instances potentially where they are in combat situations. is that accurate? >> that is accurate. >> last week an american delta force operator lost his life taking part in a rescue mission with kurdish forces. a navy spokesman says the russian war planes that buzzed an american aircraft carrier in
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international waters were still at a safe distance from the ship that doesn't mean the u.s. is happy about that. national security correspondent jennifer griffin has the specifics from the pentagon tonight. good evening, jennifer. >> two russian bear bombers approached the "uss ronald reagan" as it conducted exercises with south korea's navy in the sea of japan east of the korean peninsula. the u.s. navy scrambled four fa-18 super hornets from the flight deck to escort the war planes away from the carrier. the anti-submarine bombers came within a mile of the u.s. carrier and were flying low at 500 feet according to the u.s. navy seventh fleet. >> this russian, these russian aircraft were actually intercepted first by korean military aircraft operating in the region this is particular situation that did not result in a significant confrontation.
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>> russia deployed fighter jets made 12 close-range low-altitude passes near the "uss donald cook" in the black sea in april. part of a series of aggressive moves by russia. senior intelligence officials are concerned that the uptick in russian submarine activity near vital undersea fiber optic cables could cripple the nation's ability to communicate in the event of a war. the state department said it's investigating whether the russians have been helping iran deliver weapons to syria, in breach of u.n. security council resolutions 1747 and 2231, as first reported by fox news yesterday. two aelutian 76 cargo flights a day from tehran for ten days, planes like these shown on the tarmac of the russian air bass in syria, in early october. >> arms exports from iran are prohibited under u.n. security council resolution 1747. and we'll be looking into these
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press reports if russia is found to be facilitating those transfers, we're going to raise that in the appropriate channels and bilaterally at at u.n. if warranted. >> western sources tell fox an iranian civilian arm certificate flying military personnel into syria, several times a day from tehran to latakiaya. >> thank you, et cetera let's talk more about what's going on with russia and the obama foreign policy. jo joining us for the special foreign policy. elliott abrams, former deputy security voyeur to george w. bush and michael o'hanlan, author of the book "the future of warfare." the president said vladimir putin had gone into syria, not out of strength, but out of weakness, you see these provocative moves by russia, not only in syria but around the globeth and what do you make of it? >> well first, i don't support what russia is doing. but i don't totally agree with president obama. because in tactical military
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terms, what russia is doing in syria, actually has a chance to succeed. not what putin is saying he's doing. he said he went into fight isil, he's not helping with that but he is trying to prop up president assad. retain his own naval base on the mediterranean and trying to shore up that particular part of the dominated rule and tactically he's having some success. it's still a dumb move, because he has no end game. i think general allen has been pointing out. i could see why he would do it, because he knows it can sort of get under our skin. and he enjoys that. there's an emotional, as well as a short-term tactical military effect that he can achieve. it's not quite as dire for him immediately as president obama says. but the end game i don't know how he gets out of this. >> elliott? >> it's not just a serious effect, it's a global effect, every one of our allies and our opponents around the world, people facing china, people facing russia, people facing iran, look at this, and the conclusion they reach is puten
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is willing to act. putin is willing to push and there's no push-back from the united states. what did the spokesman say today, we going to raise this at the united nations. we think this scares putin? going to make him less likely to buzz our ships again? there's no reaction from washington. that's what scares our allies. >> think we're seeing one thing he's seeing how far he can push. cliche about voting with your feet. the leaders of the gulf and israel are not coming to washington, they're going to see vladimir putin in moscow. so you have the gulf leaders, which definitely one sat out of power and they're going to vladimir putin to say how can we work together? what is it you want? can we find any common ground. it's not to see president obama in the white house in washington, it's to go see vladimir putin in moscow. >> there's also a shift, it seems, at least in how it's talked about. in u.s. troops being on the front lines, perhaps even syria. and these commando raids.
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something the president said we weren't going to do. is this a shift? or just kind of an image of this? >> well it's incremental. and so i don't know if you would call it a shift. it's a change. there's an ongoing change. we're back in iraq with 3500 troops. so take the whole year and a half since the fall of mosul last year and yes, there have been major changes in american policy. they feel like they're lagging. there are times where i like president obama's restrained style. for how he's been handling china and the whole sail-by of these artificial islands. that calm approach is fine. in the middle east his instincts have been very incrementalist. yes there's a shift but it feels like we're lagging to the relative to the battlefield and the other actors. >> isn't the center of the obama foreign policy really iran in the middle east and how we treat and deal with iran? >> i think that's right. he started this way in 2009. it's the outreach to iran we get there seven years late wer a deal that terrifies the arabs
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and the israelis. the problem with what we're doing in the region, it's always too little, too late. things that we should have done in 2012, we get around to in 2015. they don't impress anyone. no one is impressed by the notion we're going to have 15 people here or 125 people there. it's true in asia where we've got a couple of hundred marines in northern australia. that's the pivot to asia. it's always years after it would have really made a difference. >> i want do play a quick sound byte from senator john mccain, interacting with the defense secretary about a possible no-fly zone in syria. >> it's not a new issue. >> it is not a new issue. it's a substantial military undertaking. >> did seems you should have a position on it. >> we have not recommended that, we've analyzed it. we've presented the alternative. >> do you not agree with general petraeus and former secretary gates and secretary clinton. >> we do not have a comprehensive plan for a no fly
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zone. >> after all of these years, we don't have a concept of operations. >> that we're prepared to recommend. >> what about that? >> the pentagon for years has not wanted to be anywhere near iraq, or anywhere near syria. a couple of years ago general martin dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs was asked about a no fly zone and getting involved in syria. he talked about dozens of rebel groups, we didn't know who they were. the pentagon wants no part of this. their feeling is it sounds great in theory. in practice it means maybe shooting down syrian planes or russian planes. that raises -- hillary clinton is calling for not simply a partisan issue. almost every republican candidate is calling for it within the pentagon, they want no part of it. >> thank you very much, special foreign policy panel. let's shift focus now back to domestic politics, we've heard a lot lately about the debt limit, the debt ceiling. tonight what the national debt really is and how p possibly affect us and your familiarly.
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let's begin with the difference between the national debt and the deficit. >> the deficit has been cut by two-thirds. >> it's now a familiar line for president obama when talking about the u.s. economy. >> and by the way, our deficits are down. cut them by two-thirds. >> i want to repeat this, because the public apparently never believes it. since i took office we've cut our deficits by two-thirds. the deficit has not been going up, it has been coming down, precipitously. >> technically, that is true. the deficits, the annual shortfall when expenditures exceed the revenue coming in. have been dropping since historic highs in 2009 after the economic collapse. >> what president obama is crowing about is that the near-term deficit has been reduced. so that means the annual change in how much you owe, is still getting worse, but not getting worse as fast as it was at the beginning of his term. it's a very, very weak thing to point ought. the fact is that the total debt
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is the thing that economists know, it has a significant economic impact. >> so when the president says this -- >> there's almost no measure by which we're not better off than when i took office, and then when we started this process for change. >> that is not the case. when you look at the national debt clock. gain morgue than $10,000 every second. adding almost $8 trillion since president obama took office january 20th, 2009. >> the national debt is growing and growing quickly according to the congressional budget office, the total debt by the end of this year will be $18.5 trillion. interest rates are unusually low. historically low. if interest rates were to rise just a few percentage points, the debt will rise to 20.5 trillion dollars in 2018. then $23.5 trillion, in 2021. to final lay whopping 26.9 trillion dollars in 2025. now this is just with interest
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rates rising 3% over ten years. >> it just take the size of the debt which is, you know trillions of dollars, kind of hard for people to imagine. you say how difficult would it be to service that debt to pay the interest and so the debt of course is what the government has borrowed and they need to pay interest on that. to the people who lent to them. that interest is affected by the interest rates so the higher the interest rates, the more they have to pay. the more spending there is in terms of interest payments. >> the u.s. pays a huge amount every year on interest. on the national debt. just interest alone. now at the current interest rates, which are historically low, the u.s. will pay $229 billion in just interest at the end of this year. in 2018 if interest rates rise as we mentioned, the payment will be $405 billion. in 2021, it rises to $590 billion. and in 2025, the interest payment balloons to $808 billion. more than the country pays for
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the u.s. military budget. that means over the next ten years, the u.s. could pay a total of $5.5 trillion in interest alone. now if interest rates go up any more than 3% over the ten years, these payments could explode. >> so what does that mean for you? >> if we don't get ahead of the curve on the set problem, we're going to be doomed to grow about one percent a year slower than we're used to and the growth will feed through the bottom line. low wage growth and you'll be more at risk to lose your job. >> congressman and honorable paul ryan. >> what can change the country's debt trajectory? newly minted house speaker paul ryan has talked about slowing the growth of future entitlement spending. >> we will not duck the tough issues, we will take them head on. >> it's actually very straightforward from an economics perspective. you got to control the future growth of entitlement spending, that's social security, that's medicare, medicaid, all of these
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programs are expected to grow very rapidly in the future. all we need to do is to control their growth. not cut them, just control their growth. so it's about the same as the economy is growing. >> there have been a lot of attempts to go after the bull simpson commission had a plan to go after the big debt. it's not rocket science, it's something that brett, you and i could sit down and solve it over on a napkin in a couple of hours. >> it definitely hasn't proven to be that easy politically. we always seem one election away from tackling the big debt issues. and even in the republican party, there is a major split about how to deal with reform. >> this is a, a matter not of math. this is a matter of morality. if this country does not keep its promise to seniors, then what promise can this country hope to be trusted to keep. and the fact is, none of them. >> the only way we're going to
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be moral. the only way we're going to keep our promise to seniors, is start by following the first rule we should follow. treat them like adults and tell them the truth. there it isn't their money any more, it got stolen from them. >> stocks today, were down. the dow lost 24, the s&p 500 was off one. nasdaq fell 21. u.s. economic growth slowed sharply in the summer. increase in the gross domestic product fell from 3.9% in the second quarter to just 1.5% from the july through september period. and three years ago today, superstorm and judgie made landfall along the east coast. the storm affected 24 states from florida to maine and west to michigan and wisconsin, hardest hit, new york and new jersey. the storm caused about $70 billion in damage there. since then, millions of dollars have been invested in repairs in the city of long beach, more than 3700 buildings permits have been issued in the past three
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years. we're going to take another very quick break. when we come back, the panel will do some fact-checking on the moderators of last night's republican presidential debate. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
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last night's republican presidential debate was at times more about the moderators an the media than the candidates. part of it was perceived because of perceived bias and part was because the moderators either did not have their facts straight, or didn't have the back-up to support some of the questions at their fingertips. fox news media analyst and host of fox's media buzz, howard kurtz takes a look. >> the questions that have been asked so far in debate illustrate why the american people don't trust the media. >> the cnbc moderators gave the detractors plenty of ammunition with a personal, sometimes condescending tone of their questions. >> is this a comic book version of a presidential campaign? >> not a comic book and not a very nicely asked question the way you say that. they said you have as much
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chance of cutting taxes that much without increasing the deficit as you would by flying away from the podium by flapping your arms. >> i think they obviously had an agenda. >> not only were the questions snarky and divisive and nonsubstantive. they were just biased. >> and some questions were just botched as when chief washington correspondent john harwood citing a study in challenging marco rubio's tax plan. >> to be clear, you said the -- >> after-tax income. >> you wrote a story, had you to go back and correct it. >> i did not. >> you did. >> but harwood had corrected himself on the same study about rubio two weeks earlier. >> mr. trump, let's say -- >> moderator becky quick seemed confused after telling trump he had been facebook and mark zuckerberg on immigration. >> i was not at all critical of him. >> where did i read this? >> i don't know, you people write this stuff. >> my apologies, i'm sorry. >> yet, becky quick was right. the comment was on trump's website, but didn't clarify that until 20 minutes later when
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challenged about the format, she sounded dismissive. >> what are the rules on who gets to follow up? how do we decide who gets to follow up? i've seen other people follow up. >> it was at moderator discretion. >> all of that helped the candidates hurl charges of liberal bias. >> the democrats have the ultimate superpack, it's called the mainstream media. >> cnbc said in a statement that people who want to be president should be able to answer tough questions and it's true that tough questions aren't always popular but the network's approach had the unintended effect of uniting the republican candidates, against the media. brett? >> howie, thanks, another media outlet, politico, said jeb bush told donors, i realize i need to get better. today he was on fox news with jenna lee happening now. >> he's got the worst attendance record and i'm a constituent of his and that's part of it. but sure, the other, let's butt it this way, the three three senators on the stage that were there last night, all of whom are gifted politicians, you can
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count on two fingers the number of bills that they've sponsored that have become law. that gridlock if we're asking them to go solve that gridlock, i think we might be mistaken. just as we were seven years ago when a gifted politician, barack obama, ran for office and has fooled us. i knew it was going to be a long journey, but to suggest that the campaign is terminal? that's pretty funny. >> let's bring in our expanded panel tonight. syndicated columnist, george will. george lane, of the "washington post." mara liasson, national correspondent for national public radio and syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. reaction? >> the niagara of commentary of this and it's hard to believe we have eight more of these coming up. which got it right. which is mr. trump seems to have leveled out. mr. bush picked a fight he couldn't win and didn't win. it seems increasingly likely i guess that the republican nominee, will be a young
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mid-40s, first-term senator, cuban-american. the trouble is, there's two of them. it could come down to a fight between ted cruz and marco rubio. marco rubio's problem will be, there will be a big sign on his back that says establishment choice. >> well what about donald trump and ben carson? we heard about donald trump today, late today, here's what he had to say. >> one of these scum back there, that's what they are. you have no idea how bad they are you have no idea. you have no idea how dishonest some of the reporters are. that work for -- no, no -- that work for cnn. that work frankly for nbc. we're going to have a border. we're going to build a wall. mexico going to pay for the wall. we're not paying. just like cnbc gave up that hour.
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a lot of money. mexico is going to pay. >> referencing the negotiation he says he made about the third hour of the cnbc debate. >> well it's you know, i don't know what, to say as a member of the media, that we lie and we're dishonest and in the next breath, he says mexico is going to pay for the wall. because i think mexico is not going do buy us a wall. and they're harder to deal with than cnbc on stuff like that having said that i thought what was interesting about trump in the debate last night is that he was a he wasn't mellow there. but he was mellower in the debate. he didn't go out after the other republicans. he, he played it cool. except as that one blow-up with john kasich where he felt like he was being attacked. and it's interesting when he's not being the flamed-on donald trump, he tends to sort of fade into the background in these debates. it made me almost think with the poll results not going his way in iowa and so forth, that he is kind of sort of moving back
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toward the pack. he's got to come up. i think with something a little newer, a little fresher. to continue the momentum that he had before. >> mara? >> you know neither of the front-runners, carson or trump needed a big moment last night. they're doing pretty fine just the way it is. carson got to the top of the polls, not because of his great debate performances. they did fade into the woodwork a bit. they didn't seem to be looking for a great moment and the big question that a lot of people were left with after that debate is is this campaign going to revert to the form that everyone thought it was going to be in the beginning? will carson and trump eventually fade, and then will the second tier move into its rightful place, which is cruz, anti-establishment candidate versus either a rubio or bush representing the establishment. that's what republicans were expecting. that's the dynamic they were expecting, but we've had the outsiders sitting on top of the polls. maybe last night was the beginning. >> we're seeing the articles about the bush campaign pushing back, that they're in trouble. there's u.s. news from our good
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friend who says there's an 11 million ad buy in january. new information about marco rubio that they're going to be putting out there. is that going to work for his campaign? >> look so far it hasn't. he's had ad buys already, he's spent a lot of money on ads and his numbers have not gone up, they've gone down in fact. >> one scenario that people talk about. end up as a cruz/rubio fight. as the two guys at the top. the outsiders fade. i think a more likely scenario is that one of the two outsiders at the top, remains as a finalist and one will come out of the other lane. i think the more, as we saw last night, if you had to choose, if you were coming into this completely fresh, from marches and you look at the stage and you would say the winners of the debate, the ones with the moment dynamic, the ones you would want do go up against hillary clinton, it would be rubio or
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cruz. with dexterity. on the stage in the way that nobody else did. i think it's likely that one of those two will be the one to come up against the outsider, and then we'll see. i know that cruz positions himself as an outsider. three b last night and he was the third. after cruz and rubio. you think you saw there, a great natural political talent. you can imagine him on the stage with hillary clinton. trumpkins around the country without being quite unhinged. >> took you a while to find that last word. go ahead. chuck. >> it's interesting because trump has brought in the attitude that supposedly chris christie monopolized, right? the sort of hard-hitting. >> in your face. >> kind of attitude.
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and i think the effect has been to, however, more damage jeb than christie who was already in the back ground. i think donald trump really got into jeb's head at some point during this campaign making fun of him and jeb got in this futile defense of his brother which is a situation he never wanted to be in. and, you know, there is a a lot of talk about the damage rubio may have done to jeb with that retort last night. i think by then, jeb had already been suffering much more because of trump. and you know, i think trump has rattled him and was a force they never saw coming in the planning of their campaign. and he still is recovering from that. >> and, you know, jeb bush has tried this same tactic twice and this back fired. remember, he asked trump an apology to his wife and he didn't get one. then he goes on the attack of mark row rubio who definitely swatted it away and prepared for it whoever is too long his debate prep needs to think of a
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different tact. >> led a couple times which what appeared to be a glass jaw. >> absolutely. he couldn't handle it. it was embarrassing in the end. but i love the idea of christie as being trump-lite. you like trump but you want a polite version, go to christie. that could be a campaign slogan. >> bumper sticker to come. we are going to take another ti. next up, we will talk about the new house speaker and what's on his plate. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice.
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doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern. the house is broken. we are not solving problems. we are adding to them. and i am not interested in laying blame. we are not settling scores. we are wiping the slate clean. how reassuring it would be be if we actually fixed the tax code, put patients in charge of their healthcare, grew our economy, strengthened our military, lifted people out of poverty and paid down our debt. [cheers and applause] >> new house speaker paul ryan sworn in today by the old es member in the house, john conyers from michigan who, by the way, started in congress six years before paul ryan was born. we're back with the panel. marah, he has got a full
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plate, but it's a little bit less of a plate thanks to john wayner leaving. >> it certainly is is john boehner said he wanted to clean the barn and he really did. he gave a huge gift to paul ryan. paul ryan doesn't have to worry about the debt ceiling until after the next election. he doesn't have to worry about a budget. i think that was a big gift. paul ryan is going to get a little honeymoon, we just don't know how long. he got support from the freedom caucus and but he is going to have to pass another cr. he is going to have to do. >> continuing resolution. >> continuing resolution to keep the government open. he is going to have to do something about the highway trust fund there are going to be be contentious issues. he does say he has listened to the freedom caucus. they want process reforms. he is going to give them process reforms and we will see if he gets them all into the tent. feel like they are part of the process, maybe things will be less dysfunctional. >> george? >> i think that's right. i think he is on the way. and i think although the senate tonight is going to be fighting over this bill, in fact, the conservatives got rather a lot out of the
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budget agreement. entitlement reform of social security, disability insurance, the president wanted a clean bill. he didn't get it. defense hawks wanted more from the military, they got it. >> they didn't get everything but politics is a transactional business and this wasn't a bad transaction. >> yeah. conservatives not happy about it and speaking out about it but, as you mentioned, the senate is moving forward with this bill and there is nothing that is going to stop it rand paul stands up or ted cruz stands up, it's moving through. >> you know, i actually don't regard that agreement as a budget bill at all. i see it as a political agreement. and the trade goes like this: the republicans in the congress basically conceded to president obama and his allies about $40 billion in domestic spending that they can use to keep all their democratic constituencies happy. and in return, the republicans get a more defense spending and a long where through the rest of the campaign now they are
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not burdened by all this rhetoric about a shutdown and so forth. and what that leaves paul ryan in a position to do, over here in the hill, is repair and rewrite and revise the image of the congress and in particular republican party. that's what this speech, this rather eloquent speech he gave today was all about. drawing a line under the pass. i'm not interested in blame. not blaming freedom caucus or the democrats. fresh start. what was so fascinating about it was that littening of things he wanted to achieve was like policy objectives. reform, this opportunity that. very different from the note that ted cruz was striking, which is this more radical more revolutionary thing. got to overthrow washington. so, he is trying to set a different kind of tone and he has been given by this agreement has been given the time to attempt that. >> so, paul ryan is a protege of jack kempf, the late jack kempf. he believes solving poverty issues, helping the poor combings through
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conservative principles. he is going to try to put that into his speakership. pushing tax reform as speaker, different than chairman of the house ways and means committee. and can he get the big things done? >> i'm not sure he can get them passed with obama in the white house. but i think his job is not to do that his job is to shape the legislation, to shape the party to support it, and present the tax reform that would be essentially owned by the republicans. the regulatory reform and the entitlement reform. here is a guy who knows his stuff. does he have the skills of a speaker? i think he does. he could be the most talented politician in the house, and i think the most important thing that happened today, when he essentially said we are going to abolish the past. we are not going to look at it it's over. generational change. it's striking the youngest speaker in 150 years. at the stage last night for the republicans trying to be president.
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a very young field relatively speaking. imagine one of them in the white house and ryaned in the house, the future of the g.o.p., which has been -- its obituary has been written 10 times in the last six months i think actually could be extremely bright. >> george, i said in that national debt piece and we stand at $18.2 trillion national debt tonight, that we're always, it seems, one election away from getting the big things done. this is going to happen, this next session, in a presidential election. >> and some day, sure shooting they are going to have something other than zero interest rates. that's made big government cheap by making the borrowing cheap. once we go back to anything like the post war norm for the cost of borrowing, say 5%, the deficit itself becomes the driver of the deficit. and the budget explodes. and it's not going to be within the control of congress. >> final word? >> well, obviously it's going to go back to the
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generational point. you have a paradox. republican party has young leaders and candidates and old voters. the democrats have old candidates and a leaders and old voters. >> marah. >> that will be pretty interesting to see if those young republican candidates if they become the nominee can get any of those young voters. >> reagan was able to attract young voters. you get a new and dynamic republican party and the young will follow. >> is the marco rubio youth an issue that will be tackled in this presidential campaign? >> it will be an advantage. you run him against hillary, it will be -- kennedy used it. i think it's an attractive element of any candidate. the anxiety and the tiredness of the electorate today reflected in the look for outsiders, i think also will be look for new generation. i think it's going to help any outcome candidate. >> we will follow it every step of the way. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. that is it for a very
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special "special report" thanks for norfolk southern tonight for limited commercials. keep us on our toes, fair, balanced and unafraid. greta goes "on the record" right now. we will see you again. was it a debate disaster? republican presidential contenders blasting cnbc accusing the moderators of liberal bias, gotcha questions and total failure to manage speaking time. all of that as the debate spiraled totally out of control. >> now you are skipping more votes than any senator to run for president. why not slow down, get a few more things done first, or at least finish what you start? >> i talk to economic advisors who have served presidents of both parties. they said that you have as much chance of cutting taxes that much without increasing the deficit as you would of flying away from that podium by flapping your arms. >> you have a flat tax plan of 10% flat taxes and i have looked at it and this is something that is very appealing to a lot of voters, but i have had a really tough time trying to


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