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>> i am john problems here for chris wallace with the interview with new house speaker paul ryan and the president shifts his strategy in syria. >> my answer is simple: i will not put american boots on the ground in syria. >> the decision the president has made is to further intensify our support. >> we will discuss the situation with sinned graham one of the biggest credit is of the administration's foreign policy. >> paul ryan takes the good develop from speaker boehner. >> we need to make changes. starting with how the house of representatives does business. >> we speak with the new speaker of the house on the challenges ahead. >> the new shape of the republican presidential race.
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after this week's controversial debate. >> this is not a cage map. >> we have isis and al-qaeda attack us and we are talking about fantasy football? >> we get the reaction of carly fiorina. >> i was told i did not smile enough at the last debate. >> from the undercard, former new york governor george pataki and the future of general public's campaign. >> you should be showing up for work of the senate is like a french work week. >> attack me is going to help me someone convinced you? >> hello from fox news in washington. we have a shift in strategy in syria. the white house denounce they will send around 50 special operations forces to assist in the fight against isis and that contradicts prescribe's early vows to not put american boots on the ground the white house said they are not there for combat. we have senator graham a member
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of the armed services committee would advocated sending more troops to battle the islamic state. senator, welcome back to for which news sunday. you have been saying we will need troops on the groun to battle isis. what did you thing of the president sending in the 50 special forces? >> it will not change conditions on the ground. i intend to destroy isil. they want three things, purify the islamic faith and destroy the state of israel, and attack people like us, and it was said to the american cornell who was turned to the iraqis, i will see you in new york. president obama said he will degrade and destroy isil sending 50 american special forces into syria in the eyes of isil shows that obama is not all in, it is a sign of weakness to isil and they have sized him up and they think he is weak and to our allies sending 50 troops means
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we are not committed to destroy isil and go we are not committed they will attack us here. it is a failure on all fronts, the 50 american special prayers will go into a very bad spot with no chance of winning and at the end of the day, this will not destroy sill. this is an incremental change that has no chance of success. >> the president was adamant that he would not put american forces into this fight, but roll the clock back. here is what he said. >> i will not put american boots on the ground in syria. i will not pursue an open-ended action like iraq or afghanistan. >> is that a lesson in don't take any option off the table? >> yes, it is. my goal is to destroy isil because if we don't hit them over there, they will hit us here. here is what the president has done. he has surrendered on two fronts, his goal of degrading and destroying sill, the strategy will not work, president obama is turning out
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to be incompetent commander in chief and does not listen to sound military advice. leaving iraq too soon led to the rise of isil and john kerry as secretary of state is delusional. what we are about to accomplish is to turn syria over to russia and iran and to make sure that we never destroy isil on obama's watch and pass this mess on to the next president. >> senator, a big concern is we will have american forces and russian forces operating in the same area with competing agendas. do you see the potential here for direct confrontation either accidental or intentional? >> they could have potential but i see russia and iran mopping the floor with obama and john kerry, russia is in with iran to support and president obama said that assad must go and the russians say, no, he will stay. they fighting to keep assad in power. assad is a puppet of the
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iranians. his regime is not going to be send by the syrian people because he shattered 250,000 of them and it will destabilize the region and obama to allow russia to dismember syria like the ukraine and the shapes are back in the middle east, strong. they have never been stronger since 1973. this is complete disaster for us. it means the war never ends. the refugees continue to blow and isil has recruiting opportunity now. come to syria and fight our mortal enemy. this is exclude up in every level. assad is winning, we are losing, isil is getting stronger, the 50 going in on the ground or in harm's way without a chance of success. i cannot tell you how bad this is. here is what john kerry will do, he will cut a deal with the russian and the iranian where they get control over syria, the iranians will have another arab capital under their control and he will declare victory. since this deal with iran, iranians have test fire add missile in violation of the u.n.
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sanctions and they have put troops on the round in iran to hurt our interests and they have now jailed a fourth american business person, is this the change we were hoping for? iran is slapping obama and john kerry in the face. >> i want to talk about the debate there is a meeting in northern virginia and you participating talking about changes had debates going forward after the debacle on wednesday. what changes do you want to see? >> i want smaller groups on the stage, better questions and let us all be heard from, equally, the republican part was in taters but the debate structure is not leading to the best candidate coming out of the difficult baits and i would like to have smaller groups, all of us be heard actually, ask better questions and it will do that to get the best nominee. we cannot afford to lose if we continue with this process it will hurt our chances of winning
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in 2016. >> thank you, senator graham, sorry you did not get the extra hour of sleep in but hope you enjoy the football game. i will, thank you. >> now the shakeup in congress as paul ryan, the former vice presidential nominee is vowing to change how congress does business. earlier i sat down with the newly elected house speaker to unify the republican party. good to talk to you. >> you said that you wanted party unity prior to take over speaker and in your innothing roll address. you got it for the most part. how do you get the to sides of the g.o.p. together? >> we have been bold on tactics but not on policy and we have been too timid for too long and the key is to offer the country a very bold alternative, a very bold agenda, for how we can solve the problems. that is how we unify.
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>> how much rope do you get the freedom caucus? a last members are taking heat from state wednesday just for supporting you? >> hook, the key here is we need to get congress working like it was intended to bit founders, a bottom up consensus process. number one. number two, it is very important that we are a success will opposition party. if we do not like the direction the country is headed we use the toos we have to be a successful opposition party, but we have to be number three a proposition party. this is where we have fallen down. this is what unifies republicans which is to show you country how we do things differently, how do you overhaul the tax code? what is replacement of obamacare? how do you attack the root cause of poverty to help people build their lives and get economic growth? that is what people are hungry for. that is what we need to offer the country because we do not thing the country is headed in the right direction. we ought to show what we would
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do if we have the ability and that unifies us. >> in materials of doing things differently, the last vote before you became speaker was voting for the budget deal after saying this whole thing stinks. >> it did the process stunk. >> here is what happened. >> i talked to sent severals who say if you say that about the budget deal and are opposed tolt under your speakership it is business as. >> we were coming up to a deadline on tuesday where we could have had a potential default. we had a deadline on proceedings in december 1 and what happened heard presented us with a bill a few days before hand, and we should not be doing business that way. i am the first among many to discuss that. what we need to do as republican conference is develop a strategy early on involve all members of our conference so we can think about the issues ahead of time and not get up to the deadlines
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so we can prosecute a strategy early on and show people who we are, on the process up, that is how we have to do things differently. i told the members i can not do things the same way as speaker boehner but do things differently. most members agreed with that and that is why my colleagues asked me to do the job. >> the people i talked to agree with you that the process has to containing but they also think if you are coming up against the hard deadlines you should use them as derage to get the things that you really want opposed to just going along. >> we should have been meeting months ago to how we would do that. >> you three republicannal candidates voted against this saying it is reckless and they are laying fast and loose and do not deserve to be elevated to presidency because of that type of behavior. were their votes reckless? >> i will not credittize how a person voted one way or the
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other but we have been bold on tactics but not on policy. we owe the country an alternative. that is why in 2016 we need to she people who we are, what we believe and how we would do things differently and what our ideas and policies are to change the direction of the country because we think the country is headed in the wrong direction and the president is lead us in the wrong direction. we have to offer a bold alternative and that unifies us. >> thank you is your vision. i talk to other republicans who say, going failure, in terms of changing the status quo and what you should be doing as a party in this presidential year, you should be putting on the president's desk, legislation, regulate thattory reforms, spending bills that put the democrats in a difficult place. would you agree? >> i am not talking about putting anyone in a difficult place. we have to give the country solutions. >> this is what the party wants. >> the party wants to give people alternatives. we are elected to represent our
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state whens and people are very anxious and very frustrated about the direction of this country. woring people of america are falling behind, they failure getting ahead and they are very worried about their future. phone policy is an absolute disaster. we owe the people of this country a different vision for how we will go forward and this is what we owe our constituents and this is what we are going to do. >> you have to keep the party together and many conservatives say we did well in the polls in the election in 2014 after the government was shot down with a new poll showing a divided public said, if you want to shut down the government in order to force the president to swallow this difficult choice of spending cuts or blow out the budget, you are probably right to do that. do you not have, has history recently, as least, not shown that you can do whatever you need to do to bring in big government? >> your gaze is too low you have
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to raise to the horizon. this is the gauge --. >> i am talking about the premise, we have not shown, we have been too timid on policy and vision. we have none. this is what i think we can unify which is people understand why we make decisions on a day-to-day basis. they do not understand where we are going. we have to show people where we are going, and what our or ideas? how do we take the principles and reapply them? we fight over tactics base we do not have a vision veto have a vision and offer an alternative so if we get a chance to lead, get the presidency and keep congress, this is what it will look like and how we will fix the problems that, working families face. that is what we have not done. what we need to do. that is, in my opinion, how we
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unify. amainstream republicans have said you as speaker may have to throw the senate under the bus. >> no, i don't thing we throw any republicans under the bus. i was not asked to disunify the republican party and the congress i was asked to unify, so throwing republicans under the bus is not if my job description. we have to unify and we have to also understand the limits that the constitution places on us when we have a president that doesn't agree with us, a president that is unwilling to listen to us. so being effective opposition party but very effective proposition party. >> in the leadup to take over story you promise a spirit of openness and transparency. will you as speaker, make public the full t of the trans pacific partnership? >> it is a law. >> but it is secret right now. >> we have not seen it. they have not finished drafting. >> will you make the public? >> the trade promotion authority
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that i co-authored require this be made public to all americans so they can see it. >> when will that happen? thank you is not in our control. we do not draft it. it was negotiated when the t comes to congress it has to be made public for at left 60 days or much longer. just to answer your question, the law that we wrote requires the country get to read every piece of the agreement. >> in terms of vote, it looks like it will ham in the lame duck session of congress, will you make it earlier so the republican voters can get an idea of where your members stand on this? >> we have not seen the trade agreement. i don't know --. >> are you open do that? >> i am open to anything. just so you know we have not been sent the agreement. >> i understand. you said that you will not pass any immigration bill that is not approved by the majority, the hastert rule. will you adhere to the hastert
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rule on other legislation? or will you, like speaker boehner put together a coalition of republicans and democrats in order to get past the freedom caucus? >> i was we located to unify the republican conference that tout disunify them. on the controversial issues of the day i want to reach not just for a narrow majority but a consensus. that is what a good leader does which is bring us to concepts us. i wasn't made dictator of the house of representatives i was made speaker of the house, i want to facilitate and lead us to concepts us. there are always exceptions and when circumstances dictate we have do look at all options available but i believe it is important going forward we operate on a concepts us pace especially on the controversial issues of the day but on immigration in particular we can't trust this president on immigration reform. he has already prove an untrustworthy because he tried to circumvent the legislative process. if we can get concepts us on
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border security, fine but on the other issues, this president has proven himself untrustworthy. >> in saying you would set the speakership, you said you would not take the job if it interviews with your family time which has opened up a national conversation about the importance of spending time with your family. there are many people in this country who would like to see you make your first priority legislation that gives people the backing of the federal government so they can have time with their families. would you make --. >> i don't think memorial asked me to be speaker to take more money from hard working taxpayers to create a new federal entitlement but memorial want to have members of congress that represents them that are like them, don't you want your member of congress to be a citizen legislature who lives but, among you, would has your own kind of concerns, would wants to spend time with his children on saturdays and sundays? i'm going to keep living in wisconsin where i am from, i will keep going back and forth to washington, dc, and, yes,
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some days going to be family days and saturdays are family and state went days. that is what most people want if their life as a balance so if you are asking me, because i want to spend or continue being the best dad and husband and speaker i can be getting that worker and life balance correct means i should sign up for some new unfunded entitlement does not make sense to me. >> a final question, much of the republican business hates the people in power and a republican why you were so popular is because you exchewed power. now you are in charge. how do you avoid being hated? >> i was not seeking or looking for this job and i believe in what we call regular order around here. the committee should write the bills. members of congress should have the freedom and an open process to represent their does it wents in passing legislation. that is why i don't think leadership should be trying to tug at power and write legislation. i want do have a process that is
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more participation, which is something that so many of us, myself included, have been concerned about the way this place has been run. it is a new day. we we are wiping the slate clean. >> do you expect a longer honeymoon or short honeymoon? >> about 35 minutes. >> congratulations, mr. speaker. >> carly fiorina faces the critics after this week's debate and we will talk to her about her performance and the fact checkers and those comments made by the ladies at the "view." ♪ i found a better deal
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>> i was recruited to h.p. to save a company that was bloated and cost too much and delivered too little, to customers and shareholders. carly fiorina at the g.o.p. debate defending her record at h.p. as c.e.o. and joins us in iowa. welcome back to fox news sunday. good to see you, sorry no extra hour sleep today. >> good morning, john, it is fine. we goal back so i got an extra hour. >> that is good. we talked to senator graham and i wanted you to weigh in on the president sending in 50 special forces. you have talk about fighting isil. what do you think of the plan? >> it is a recognition that you cannot have a successful bombing campaign without people on the grind telling you where to place the bombs. he sort has come to reality.
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but it is too little too late and this is a reflection of the reality when america does not act, when we do not lead, as we have not in the last these years, under this president, our options become very constrained and the situation becomes more dangerous. we still do not have a strategy in syria, we do not have a strategy to deal with isis and as a result the situation is far more complicated than it was three years ago when he started talking big about assad must go and red lines can not be crossed and now we have russia and iran in the middle of syria calling the shots. when we do not lied, the world becomes more dangerous and tragic. >> russian is bombing the same rebels we will be training and advise, and if the united states troops get caught up in bomb adak what do we do? >> the president said he did not believe in no-fly zones and no in fly zones are effective, this
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video been effective in the past. we need to establish one and make it crystal clear to vladimir putin our secrets will fly when and where necessity want, our troops cannot be threatened by russia, but, so far, this president has done none of that but he and the secretary of state continue to talk to which which is inexplicable to me because it is clear that the russians, while they talking to us, are also lying to us. we need to act. now. in a way that sends an unmistakable message. it is why as president of the united states in addition to having a strategy in syria i would be rebuilding the six fleet right under vladimir putin and reeding the missile defense program in poland because he must see strength and resolve from the united states of america. he has not. >> back to the debate on wednesday in your opening statement you joke in the reagan library debate you were criticized did you not smile enough and the lattes of "the view," decided they would take issue with that.
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here is what was said about your performance. >> she said, you know, people tell me i does not smile enough during the last and she looked dent inned. it looked like a halloween mack. >> a smiling fiorina can you imagine? >> is there a double standard here, for republican women? i cannot imagine they would say smith like that about hillary clinton. >> you think? i think there is a double standard, it is funny i was on on the view several months ago and they did not say it to my face. there is nothing more scary than a conservative woman, conservative women from michele bachmann to sarah palin and to fiorina are use today this. it does not stop me or scare me and maybe the ladies of "the view," will see if they have the guts to say it to my face.
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>> they said something similar to miss colorado and she is a lovely woman, commitd to her profession, are the women out of touch? what the women represent is a set of liberal feminist whose believe if you do not agree with them on their liberal orthodox you do not count. that somehow you are not a woman. i know that women represent half nation' course our views are going to be as diverse as views. and i know that unless and until women's potential is fully unlock asked women have been crushed under the obama economy, we will not be as go a nation as we can be. frankly, i am tired of being insulted by liberal feminist whose talking about women's issues when the reality is every issue is a woman's issue from the economy to isis to russia do health care to education, to the natural debt, women care about all of that.
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i am really sorry i don't agree with the women of "the view," however, i will continue to stand up, stand strong, talk about what i believe in and i am hillary clinton's worst nightmare as a result. >> on the subject of women and their flight under the obama administration the most talked about moment on wednesday is when you said this. >> 92 percent of the jobs lost during president obama's first term belonged to women. >> women are talking about, miss fiorina in relation to the statement is the data that you used does not represent the totality of the obama administration first term. people said you misspoke. do you want to clarify the remarks? >> this is what the liberal media do. they try to discredit the messenger when the message is true. it is true that 92 percent figure refers to the first 3 1/2 years of president obama's term
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not the first four years. here is what is undeniable. women have been hurt under this administration's policy. the extreme poverty rate among women is the highest ever recorded. the poverty rate among women, 16.1 percent is the highest in 20 years. women have been harded by this administration. just as african americans have, just as the poor have been, progressive policies are bad for the people they claim to help. that is true of women as well as men. >> if you use a data set that stops in march of 2012 because that is the most advantageous point to make that point, are you doing voters a disservice by not telling them what happened during the expire first term which is that by john of 2013 the number of jobs among women had increased by 400,000? >> yes, that is my campaign said we misspoke. however, that reality doesn't
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change the reality women have been harmed under this administration. this is what the liberal media tries to do, let us discredit the messenger so we ignore the truth of the message. shear the truth of the message: women are harmed by this administration policy policy. record numbers of women have lost jobs are living had poverty or are living next stream poverty. that is the debate we will have to have to win in 2016. what is the real human impact of progressive policies? the reality is, that human impact of progressive policies is to keep people unemployed, we have record numbers of people who are no longer working, or who have quit looking for work, we have record numbers of people on food stamps, we have record numbers of people living in poverty. those are the facts, that is the truth. >> we have to wrap it up thanks for joining us, miss fiorina. we will see you down the campaign trail.
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>> thank you, john. >> our sunday panel joins to discuss syria. later, the shakeups in the republican russias and on the him. what would you like to and the panel about challenges ahead for the new speaker. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business...
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>> these forces do not have a combat mission. if they did we would contemplate more than 50 troops on the ground. >> that was a shift in president obama's shift in syria strategy we have george will, and ron fournier, and liz cheney, and former democratic senator evan bayh. the president said i will not put american forces on the ground syria and here we are. >> it is no longer news that the president has done something that directly contradicts previous statements. eight happens regularly. the bottom line, we have a militant islamist terrorist organization, a clear and direct threat to the united states of america. they have to be defeated. they have to be defeated by force l is no diplomatic solution be no negotiation that will defeat isis. we have a president who either does not know or care.
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he has no plan in place to defeats them, we have the incremental deployments of forces that include rules of engagement for our pilots to preclude them from the job they are there to do. at end of the day the nothing we are in vienna, negotiating with the russians and the everyone piers brought in as positive partners and the president's view is folly, the president value to answer to history were i am sure he is looking to the legacy in the last part of the administration and it willen, why do you stand by while the threat grew and gathered strength? >> senator bayh, does he need to go to congress? it seems there is a potential for mission creep? >> a president is always stronger when you go to congress and you get the support of congress. the real issue is whether the congress would give that because the congress is divided.
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you have some members of my party who would resist adding 50 advisors he is proposing. on the other side you have people like senator graham who want do go further. the administration will be in the role of consulting and advising. >> do you expect in two years, we will be in for 5,000? >> it feels like a slippery slope i think it is news when the president of the united states deceives the american public and he did say there would be no ground troops and he knew at the time that was b.s. and it is a lie or dedid not know and it is naive. when he announced it they talked how this is not a strategic change but a shift. those are synonyms. when they spend their time or strategic thinking on how to spin the conflicts and not so much time explaining their
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strategy and how they will keep us out of syria out of the conflicts. >> george? >> understanding there are no good choices in a region where there are now fairly barely functioning states, yemen, syria , and iraq. now, what is the choice? liz said, there is a caliphate establish asked we have to take the ground back. the convention -- the conventional forces of our allies in the middle east from saudi arabia, jordan, egypt and the rest are capable of doing this but our assistance. whether 50 special forces, perhaps being used as their controllers make our air force and our navy aviators more effective, whether will that is a big multi flying effect, i don't know but we as the united
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states of america are not taking that back. >> we will not under president obama. you are right about that. >> but if the president acted three years ago would it be easier for isil to get such a foothold before russia? >> with the benefit of behind site the answer is, yes, we should have taken a more muscular approach but i take issue with what ron said, the president change is that the previous strategy does not work. i would not say he was actually lying. >> wasn't he told by a lot of people --. >> there were different friends of opinion. this is part of a negotiation. a negotiation is determined by facts on the ground. facts on the ground that part of the world are determined increasingly by boots on the ground. the previous strategy was to support a moderate alternative. that was unmitigated disaster and the department of defense of the did not work, they trained five people and what our intelligence service are doing is more effective and now we are trying to support the u.c.s who
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are effective and they are supporting assad using hezbollah and iranians and it will play itself out and there will be more stability and we can have a negotiation but it is a very complex place, a mess, and for anyone to imply there is an i-solution, that is naive. >> but it is a prelude to negotiation to sort this out. there is no timetable for assad to leave and the united states is saying we want him to go. how do the negotiations go and how do they end up? >> basically trying today up in a beneficial place that is not at all. we have a problem which is isis is the net to the united states and what george says of the complexity of the region is true, but, right now, our focus has to be defeat isis and it will take the united states of america to do it. >> napoleon said if you start to
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take vienna, take vienna. do not be tentative in military affairs but i am not sure any republican is going to go to the american people and say elect me and i will put forces on the ground sufficient to retake the area. >> even republicans say the united states of american, the security of the nation requires we defeat isis and we do what it takes. >> the definite sill is in -- the devil is in the details. >> so is defeat. >> george pataki is struggling to break from the pack in the race for the white house. ♪ ♪
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>> change washington, you have to understand can you not just be an outsider, someone would throws stones at washington but someone who can bring people together. across the part lines. >> former new york governor george pataki in boulder, colorado, explaining how he would lead if he became president. governor pataki joins us from new york city. welcome back to. if news sunday sunday. >> great to be on the. >> governor, the question has been asked before and it bears asking again, why are you still in this? you are at 30 percent in the polls but the numbers have not moved for you. >> two reasons. if i have the opportunity to get my party nomination i can win the election and run the country. the second is, while i am out there meeting people in new hampshire, small retail groups, i am hearing constantly, we know where you are in the polls but,
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please, stay in. right now, there are two frontrunners who i don't believe are going to be the nominee and i don't believe they should be the nominee, pretty much every other candidate is struggling and the republican voters will want someone who can win with the vision of thousand move america forward. i know i request do that. i am encouraged by the reaction i get from people on the ground. >> the four key words: if i can win. you have raised less than 500,000 which for the bush campaign on the ropes is a rounding error, and 13,000 cash on hand at the end of september. do you have money to mount a meaningful campaign. >> we knew we have to run a grass roots campaign. that is what we are doing. we are not running expensive media ads but that is okay when you have opportunity to talk directly to the people like i am now. the american people and the republican voters, yes, they are angry at washington and right now the two people would have
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never held public office have more than 50 percent of the vote and everyone else is struggling but at the end they will say yes, we want an outsider who is not one of the washington insiders but someone who has a proven record of bringing people together and actually changing government and put in place the conservative policies. if i get the chance for the american people to what i was able to accomplish in new york, a deep blue state and my vision for america, i am confident i can and will win. >> back to the debate on when night if i could you attack hillary clinton for using a private server for conducting her state department business. here is what you said. >> hillary clinton put a server in unsecure seven neither her home as secretary of state. we have no doubt that was hacked and the state secrets are out there to the iranians, the russians, the chinese and others. that alone should disqualify her fromming president. >> governor there is a big controversy "there about the
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e-mails, the f.b.i. conducting the investigation but you were declarative in the statement the server was hacked and the secrets are out there. what evidence do you have to back that statement up. >> all you have to do is look at what other countries that have been able to do the hack, the hack the c.i.a. director, the defense department, our military, they have hacked very secure mill systems --. >> was that an assumption? >> a safe aim shun shun when you send out 630,000 e-mails on an unsecure server in your house and you are the secretary of state of the united states and you know that foreign countries are hooking at this lying to find out what she is communicating, there is no question in my mind she has had her e-mails hacked and identified. and i don't think anyone would looks at this will come to any other conclusion. just look at how successful they have been getting through the
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encryption our state department or defense department, our c.i.a. has and yet they have all been hacked imagine how easy it is one dealing with a home server. >> what point do you partways on republican side of the fence during the debate and many people in your party you believe that man made circumstances are possibly -- partly responsible, rather, for creating global warming and you partways with your republican opponents who believe that if you took meaningful steps to addressing global warming you will ruin the united states economy. here is what marco rubio said at the reagan library debate. >> every proposal they put forward will be proposals that make it harder to do business in mechanic, that make it harder to create jobs in america. governor, is he right? he is right what he said is every proposal they made. there are two points to make. first, i am different from every other republican seek the tom face i am a limited government
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circumstance so economic policies, social policy, leave it to the states and people in accordance with the 10th amendment and second, republicans have to embrace science. there is no question, nothing, that co2 emitted by humans is a greenhouse gas that will warm the atmosphere. that doesn't noon we have to accept president obama or hillary clinton's big strategy of raising government power, government control over next and manufacturing in this country. what i said at the debate and what i believe is republicans should basin know vase, american invention, we are the only country in the world that dead have fewer greenhouse gas. motions than in 1995 and it is not because of the epa or big government programs. it is because of private industry innovation tracking that has allowed us to change from coal to until gas. and in the process created man more jobs and more security in
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perk. embrace science. embrace innovation. we are americans. we can look at the 21st century with confidence and optimum. >> good luck on the trail and see you on the 10th of november. of november. >> thank you, john. up next, jeb bush says his campaign is not on life support after the last debate. our sunday panel weighs in on the former front-runner and the one-time protege marco rubio now has a big new donor. at mfs investment management, we believe active management can protect capital long term. active management can tap global insights. active management can seek to outperform. that's the power of active management. that's a good thing, eligible for medicare? but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you.
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it's not on life support. we have the most money, the >> it's not on life support. we have the most money and the best organization. we're doing fine. >> jeb bush in new hampshire a day after this week's debate insisting his campaign is not on the down and out. we are back now with the panel. george, is he on the glide path to the death spiral here? >> there is a kind of self-fulfilling mechanism when people start saying you're in trouble. you're in trouble because people have said you're in trouble and because the donors panic and that feeds back into the loop and marco rubio gets peter singer and -- paul singer, i can't remember. >> paul. >> a major donor and it cascades. i think jeb bush is probably feeling not unreasonably, that he's the victim of a debate process that no one really thinks tests in a broad way the essential attributes of the presidency, but he didn't make the rules.
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this is the landscape we play in. so right now i would say it's not as bad as the self-fulfilling mechanism indicates, but it could be in another week. >> one of the things he's doing is he's going hard after marco rubio and the presentation he's made last weekend to supporters in houston including a 112-page powerpoint presentation who said that those who looked into marco's background in the past have been concerned with what they found. >> they're second guessing themselves saying it's their job to go after marco rubio and the pac's job to go after marco rubio, and it's not jeb's nature to be that confrontational and they'll focus more on connecting his policies with real people and shortening his answers, but i agree completely with george. he seems to be right now a man who doesn't quite fit the times. i'm not a fortune teller. i don't know if he's going to make it or not. bushes aren't quitters. we've watched him deal with a debate process filled with loud
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candidates, filled with loud reporters, a very rapid and vain political process we're in now. he does strike me as a charlie rose candidate in a charlie brown world. >> you were very close to his brother. is jeb not cut from the same cloth when it comes to campaigning? >> i think what ron side true in terms of somebody seems and senator rubio said this in the debate. someone seems to have advised jeb that the right way to respond to fallen poll numbers is to attack marco rubio, and you can see when he does it that he's not comfortable doing it. it seems very out of character, and that i hope you're right. i hope that, in fact, he stops it because it's not good for him. it's not good for the party, and it's not good for the future of the republican party. >> rubio addressed that on friday night. let's listen to what he said. >> it's part of a strategic decision they've made and they have the right to make it and i
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don't think it's a smart thing for republicans to do and one of the reasons why i think we lost in 2012 is republicans attacking each other and weakened the eventual nominee. the republican establishment is worried that jeb on his way down takes on marco rubio and that leaves ted cruz and how does ted cruz go against hillary clinton. and she appeals to suburban women and the thing for the bush campaign is things can change quickly in politics. if we've been talking about hillary clinton three weeks ago, we'll would have been talking about how she's struggling and things are looking tough. so i think what he needs to do, ron is exactly right. his background and who he is is out of tenor with the times. a product of the establishment and upbringing of privilege and it's almost as if he needs to be humbled and said forget my last name is bush. i was governor smith of florida
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and i was a crusading observer and here's what i got done and present himself that way and that's the person i am and not the person you're led to believe i am. >> marco rubio may be the most talented candidate in the field, but he's not flawless. you go back to his initial exchange, his answer was robotic and scripted and he compared himself to barack obama and john kerry. i mean, that's the kind of opening that hillary clinton would drive a truck right through. >> the problem for bush is when you get these death spirals as scott walker discovered and not to say bush is in the death spiral and you go along and say woo err in trouble and then you go over the edge of the cliff. >> or you cede them. >> let's talk about the debate and a lot of campaigns are getting together to say this is what we need to do going forward and we need to make changes after the debacle at the msnbc debate. will the campaigns put a lot of pressure the rnc to change things up? >> the most important function of of a modern american
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political party is to dispense a presidential nomination and really, therefore ought to have more control over the process than they have had. i don't blame reince priebus, the chairman of the republican party. he inherited a system and a tradition and the tradition is now, thanks to cnbc, been proven to be intolerable to republicans, and i wish this meeting well tonight, and i think there ought to be a way. have the debate and stream it on the internet, but the idea that you have to turn and make the party a hostage to a broadcast entity whether or not it's empathetic and none of them are to the republican party, that's what has to be -- >> you are in the ben carson or ted cruz camp on that. they want moderators to be bonified conservatives and he wants them off tv and on the internet and fewer debates and does that serve the democratic process? >> the issue is not that the
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republican are afraid to answer tough questions. the moderators acted like they were presidential candidates. they didn't let them answer the questions and the questions were snarky. i think that reince and rnc has done a great job. i think we need to be ready as republicans because in order to defeat hillary, most of the media will be on hillary's side and not ours. >> the candidates need to have more confidence in the american public. >> they can spot a phony a mile off and they can spot gotcha questions and the entertainment ratings and substantive debates and the rules are to be prepared for anything and everything and the public will decide what's fair and not and they should have more confidence in that. >> next debate fox business network november 10th in milwaukee. we'll all be there. we'll see how it goes. maria bartiromo are the main moderators. >> thank you for being with us. >> have yourself a great week and we will see you next on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪
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♪ we begin with breaking news. fred thompson has died of lymphoma. the former u.s. senator and one-time republican presidential candidate is probably known most for his role in american politics, but also by millions of tv and movie fans for his role as an actor in film and television including his long-running part in "law and order." thompson was a watergate attorney who moved between politics and acting for most of his adult life. early in his time on capitol hill he was a rising star in the u.s. senate, but he retired from the seat in january 2003 saying he just didn't have the heart for another term. he later ran for president in 2007.

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