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since 1944 we are in a new world with a new future. and what will had planned is no lonker important for there is a new task at hand. and we should see how our leaders deal with it. megyn kelly has our coverage right now. >> breaking tonight, paris under lockdown. the french borders closed and a massive, nationwide man hunt is underway. the nation that stood by us after 9/11. the worst terror attack in its history. welcome to the kelly file, everyone. i'm megyn kelly. at home, the nypd is deploying american counter terrorism teams. authorities here say there is no specific or credible threat to the united states. and our government is pledging to do all it can to assist
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french investigators. back in france, the life of the lights of the eiffel tower have gone dark. our curfew is in effect, officials declaring the ability to seize people's weapons. and impose house arrest on anyone considered dangerous. more than 150 people believed to be murdered in multiple attacks across paris tonight. the worst of it coming during a hostage standoff at a sold-out concert featuring an american band, the eagles of death metal, killing people one by one, shooting them as they were on the floor, even searching for anyone who might have been hiding, reloading to take out as many people as they could over and over and over again. police finally storming the hall to take out the attackers from
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everything we can tell, what they found inside was apock limitic. around 100 people killed there. listen to one man managing to get away. this is in french with subtitles. but the story he tells is heart stopping.
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this is hell. you heard it there. on the left side of your screen, we are bringing in live pictures from paris provided by live news agencies. at this hour, some 1500 soldiers have been deployed across paris. the french president saying in the face of terror, france must be strong. as we mentioned before, there were a number of attacks in paris tonight. including near the biggest stadium of france where the french president was watching a soccer match between france and germany and had to be evacuated from that stadium, as well as another horrible attack in a
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restaurant south of the stadium. police report that at least 11 people were killed there and we're joined now by an american who was eating dinner in paris when she heard shots fired at the restaurant that was attacked. thanks so much for being with us tonight. so you're there in paris. what was the first time you knew that there was something going wrong? >> we were sitting outside the restaurant and my colleagues and i said there were four of us sitting at a four-top table. we heard about 8-10 shots. we weren't sure if they were gunshots. and then we heard actually two other sounds which were also gunshots that were different from the first bunch that we heard. my colleague actually said i think those were gunshots. and i looked up and saw 8-10 people around the corner to the restaurant. we got up and ran inside and
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heard more gunshots. >> how many would you say you heard? >> you know, it's hard to say. the first round, it soupded like 10-12. the first were, like, boom, boom, boom. and then during the second round, we ran inside. i couldn't tell you exactly how many. >> could you tell where the gunshots were coming from? >> no, it sounded like they were very close. like i corner. we were just looking up around line where the shooting had happened. so we actually were kind of on the other side of that block. and it felt very close. >> did you have an understanding in that moment, given everything
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gone on in the world, that this was likely a terror attack? >>. >> you have this moment when you have to make a split second decision what to do, i remember thinking i think these are gunshots. i don't want to die today. and i just ranned in. >> what was the mood? was it pabiced? was it controlled? >> so the regions were very calm. i think the only people in the restaurant who were actually agitated were the people who were outside. as americans, we were pretty scared. we went in and we saw family with young children. they were sitting in the restaurant at the main level. there was a basement level that looked safer. the mother of the children started to get very scared.
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personally, i was very scared. a lot of people were taking it a bit more calmly than i was. >> were you at any point anyone to see what had actually happened at the restaurant? >> we went and poked our heads around the corner. we saw bodies and then we went back in the restaurant and it seemed the safest place to be. >> tonight, after you got out, at what point, first of all, were you able to leave? and what was it like when you did leave? you must have been worried something else could happen. >> yeah, we were very worried. people can help us think about
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the situation and we were getting really conflicting advice on what to do. some say stay put in the restaurant. it was about three hours from 9d:30 to a little bit after midnight. and we actually had to walk back to our apartment that we were staying in, which was about a 30 minute walk. we actually saw plifrs on the way back and we asked them where to go. >> i mean,we have a picture of some of the carnage at the restaurant. and we warned viewers it is disturbing and you can see what appears to be the bodies of the dead, some of them. and this is it. we put it up for shock value, but to underscore what has happened in paris france tonight. people just out trying to bond with fellow human beings and having a meal were shot dead in
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and around the restaurant and that included many americans in these restaurants. mar margo, i know you were there. after you left the scene tonight, you managed to get a picture of them. you must be feeling like one of the lucky ones. >> thank you. >> we're getting reports that five attackers have been killed. but chief intelligence catherine harry suggests it likely took upwards of a dozen people to plan and execute an attack of this magnitude. a man hunt is likely far from over. those who have been from far away not taking into account multiple shooters who have been in paris france tonight.
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congressman king is the counter terrorism. he's with us tonight. thank you for being here. first, give us the big picture. >> this was a vicious, diabolical attack carried out by most likely isis that all of us who deal with intelligence and islamic terrorism and fact that you get a foreign flight carrying out an attack like this -- coordinated attack.
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our main goal has to be how closely we can destroy isis. >> the situation is fluid and we are working on preliminary information. but according to one report, one of the men arrested near the concert hall where so many were murdered tonight, the man taken into custody reportedly told authorities i was recruited by i,sis three others coming from syria. and whether it was a matter of being humane or a matter of potentially jeopardizing people of france and safety. we, too, have taken in over a thousand. the president says we'll take in 10,000. the question i have for you is
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how confident are you that we have an adequate screening process here. >> megyn, i'm not confident at all. i have no confidence. by the way, neither does the f.b.i. or the other agencies in our government. we don't know who these people are. there are no records, there's no personnel records we can go to. we don't know who these people are. we know isis does want to infiltrate with these refugees. in addition to that, you have them going down to syria to be trained as terrorists. once they get to europe, they can fly into the united states without getting a visa. this is a very desperate situation. i don't hear many people in our government talking about it, many candidates talking about it. you think it's happened just in the last week?
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it's the russian jet that has gone down, over 200 people killed, women and children. now, what we've seen tonight in paris. this is the real deal. because of the fact that they were monitoring potential terrorists here in new york city, well, maybe it's paris police that could have coordinated this. >> but we're not doing that anymore in new york. >> he's doing the best he can under certain circumstances. it's not as much as it was done before. and that's part of the problem he faced. >> is there any other way in a free society? and sm would question whether we are free if we have law enforcement infiltrating places like mosques. but is there any other way to
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realistically prevent someone from strapping on a suicide vest and opening up fire with an a.k. 47? >> megyn, there really isn't. we need a combination. we have to use the f.b. imt, the joint terrorism task force. now, just this past july, we were told that isis is going to attack the united states, specifically new york, over the fourth of july. five isis operatives were arrested. if they had not been arrested, not been stopped, we may have seen the same type of carnage that we saw in paris today. how significantly does this raise the alert level? what is likely to happen here in america over the next days and weeks. >> i can assure you that within moments of this happening, all
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of them came together. the nypd, other police departments around the country. consolidating and searching as much intelligence as they could, searching security patrols in new york, the higher level and police protection. there's going to be more police protection that you don't see. i'm sure it will be repeated in major cities across the country. with the french, british, germans and spaniards. we don't know if they've just coordinated for paris or a worldwide series of attacks. all of that has to be looked at right now. it's a full court press. >> essentially, it's a police state tonight in france. where they're saying they can place you under house arrest. if they find you suspicious, they can confiscate your weapons. can that happen here if we were to suffer an attack like this?
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>> megyn, we certainly don't want that to happen. that's wild when i was talking about the n.y.p.d. before, to me, those were entirely within the constitution. it does say within the constitution, the dangers of something like this does happen, that people will want to give marshal law powers. we keep restricting the legitimate rights and people call for much more severe action. and i would not want that to happen. >> we also have some new details coming in just a moment ago about the retaking of the concert hall. 100 people were reportedly killed. these are preliminary numbers. they're going to change, folks.
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now we're hearing some reports from french police in the effort to take the popular music venue, four police officers lost their lives, as well. here's how one witness described the scene shortly before that rescue operation. >> i understand you were inside during this concert. now you've made it outside. tell us what you've seen and what you've heard. >> well, i've seen two guns, from my point of view. an a.k. 47 entering the concert room and firing randomly to the crowd. people yelled, screamed and everybody lied on the floor.
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everybody was on the floor covering their head. we heard so many gunshots. the terrorists were very calm and they re-loaded. three and four times. they didn't shout anything. they didn't say anything. they were wearing black clothes and they were shooting at people on the floor and kicking them. i was luckily at the top of the stage, in the front of the stage. and people tried to escape to work on people on the floor and tried to find the negative.
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i found the negative when the terrorist reloaded his gun. they were in some kind of room in the dark and they text me. very afraid, of course. but it's been over two hours now. and this is terrible. what happened was terrible. i mean, honestly, 15 minutes of gunshots fired randomly. it's not a huge concert room. it's a small one. a thousand people were there, maximum. >> julian, were these terrorists and you say you saw three or four of them. you say they were dressed in black. were their faces covered in
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masks? >> they were not wearing masks. i seen the face of one terrorist. he was very young. he was about 20 years old, 25, maximum. he wasn't wearing a bear or something. he was like a random guy. and then they were not matched. >> and did you hear any words coming out of his mouth? was he speaking in french or arabic or anything you could disce discern? >> nothing. nothing. i heard nothing. just yelling and screaming of the people. they didn't shout anything. they didn't say anything. they said nothing. they just shot. they were shooting to people. >> so they weren't just questioning someone. they would just look and shoot
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and kill them. is that what you're saying? >> yes. >> and you saw 20 people shot and killed, at least 20 bodies there on the floor of the theater there? >> yes, yes. some of them were dead. some of those were very badly wounded. but it was a blood bath. >> you're still outside the theater. as far as you know, the hostage crisis there and the killing, presummablely is continuing? >> yes. i'm not sure of the information. but i got a bunch of friends who are hiding right now. they're hiding because they're not sure if the terrorists are there. the police is not inside. are you okay, julian? >> i'm okay.
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i'm outside the concert room. i'm in an apartment. and the police are all around me. so i'm okay. >> all right. julian, be careful over there. >> unbelievable, testimonial. just hours after the news broke, president obama came out here to address the attacks on paris. he calls it an attack on all of humanity and vow to protect the people of france in any way possible. >> reporter: president obama was informed of these atacks. . he spoke for only five minutes in the white house briefing room. he told us that he has not contacted a french president because president obama says it was his expectation and mr. olan is busy right now but he
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expected to speak with him in the next few days. ironically, president obama had spoken with the french president earlier today x much earlier today, before any of this transpired to digs cuss their shared participation in an upcoming economic summit. he said we have offered all kinds of assistance to the french authorities as they may need. he said we stand together with the french in the fight against terrorism and extremism. >> this is ahearted breaking situation. and, obviously, those of us here in the united states know what it's like. we've gone through these kinds of episodes ourselves. we've always been able to count on the french people to stand with us. they have been an extraordinary counter terrorism parter in. and we intend to be there with them in that same fashion.
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>> secretary of state is ready to convene a summit on syria. he's issued a statement, as well. and we're told that the u.s. embassy in paris is working hard to make sure that any americans who may have been affected by this attack have the full help of the united states government behind them. at one point, they counted at least five situations that were live and on going, including the stadium, the two restaurants and two others, megyn. so this, obviously, a major attack. the state department has been briefing some members of congress. there are some indications that there may have been sop incliengs on the part of the frempbl authorities of a plot underway. we're still working to confirm that. i asked the french official if any americans were known to be harmed, hurt, killed, held, hostage, et cetera. this official told us that given the venues that we're talking about, they're not all going to
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be french. >> james, thank you. as we watch the screen, we see folks walking by in the shiny blanket that they tend to give you after you run a marathon. we believe that these are survivors of the attack that we saw on the concert hall, in particular, where people were held hostage for hours and hours trying to hide from the gunmen as they continue to reload over and over and over again. some witnesses talking about how they had to go to the roof of the facility, about how they had to push through doors and more doors and more doors and more doors and 30 to 40 on the roof and saying here and helped them escape by bringing them into his own home through his attic so his people could get out of the facility in which they are being shot down mercilessly one after the other. that is how many of the people managed to emerge from this
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facility from which you heard the one witness say earlier this is hell. as we reported earlier tonight, catherine harriage says it may take upwards of a dozen people to coordinate this attack at six separate sites. why officials are not preparing a statement, accomplices may still be on the loose. >> catherine, do we know now who is responsible for this? >> megyf, tonight, there are two separate threat streams. one involves credible isis accounts. these are accounts that are sell bratorial in their tone. they are not claiming responsibility for the attack itself. we saw a similar attack on the satirical magazine. the blame is ultimately fixed
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between al-qaida and yemen. there is also a second set of chatter and they are reposting the daily male in july of this year about a french jihadi who had executed a syrian military officer and then promised to bring the masacre and the blood bath to the french. almost suggesting that the french had been warned about their intervention in syria. there has been significant activity. >> there's been plenty of celebration of isis on line. standby just for one second. i have more i want to say to you
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but let's dip into our sister station. >> perhaps more than 120 people. we're bearing in mind that 1,200 were attending this concert by the american rock bands that may well be that many of them did manage to survive. >> rebecca, you're getting indications that people have literally been sheltering between seats and lying down to avoid all of the gunfire. >> dozens have managed to survive. you can see shots from people with the flow blankets keeping themselves warm covered in blood. as you say, we understand there are 1,300 people there. so a huge proportion of them, now, we know, have died. but like you say, they were
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sheltering under the seats, in the gal reel of this concert venue. shocking news as you just read out, that these attackers blew themselves up with suicide belts as the police drove in. of course, a number of people are killed there. presumably, in the coming hours, we'll get more information about exactly wrent on inside that concert venue. authorities are hunting for any possible accomplices. we're just getting that news now. >> i guess we also have this no confirmation. >> and sky news on the same page as we are with their accomplices still on the loose. kat rin, so isis has not
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claimed responsibility, but is celebrating this. we have learned some eyewitness accounts about the shooters. there was an eyewitness who said that they heard gunmen talking about iraq and syria. so what are investigators focused on right now? >> investigators are focused on the simultaneous nature of these attacks. at least six that have been counted. also the level of premeditation and the scope. you have to think of these as a separate cell having responsibility for it. you anticipate in a situation such as this that there are two operatives that do advanced surveillance. and then you also have to do an assessment of what the security is in the neighborhood. you would go to that part of paris to understand the pattern of the police and the security
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services chlts the nengs thing that you have to take a look at here is the use of military hardware. the grenades, the effectiveness&the handling of the a.k. 47 at the concert ham certainly suggests a familiarity with the weapon. training outside of paris. and then, also, the suicide belts or bombers themselves. you've got to have someone who is familiar with explosives, has experienced making these bombs, so not to have an incident in advance that would tipoff police. then, you also have to consider that some of these operatives were not willing to die on the mission. and would therefore have an escape route. when you start tallying up all of those numbers, megyn, you are looking upwards of a dozen
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people and an operation which would not be a pick-up operation, but would take weeks, perhaps even months of planning. we learned in the last hour the chairman of joint chiefs was briefed. wemp told to focus on this mile grant stream. >> catherine, thank you. well, as catherine just mentioned, france's official news out let has just reported that the three attackers debt naded explosive suicide belts as the explosives closed in. joining me now, mortan storm. thank you for being here. we saw if this is isis, we've seen them blow up an --
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>> it's not surprising. since the uprising, the sleeper cells have woke p up. i think the only way to do what france has done today is to close all of the borders. and to stop the invasions for these countries. last week, i said, unfortunately, i was right on this. >> the sleeper cells have woken up. the question, though, is they've closed the borders now. what we're being told is the borders are closed to those who want to leave france. not necessarily to those who want to come in france. they're perhaps trying to suggestion that the accomplices, if there are any perpetrators, may be trying to leave.
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so are those who have helped in this endeavor? how do they go abt -- >> these cells have got to be well-hidden and well-coordinated to have pulled this off. so how do they find them? >> well, these people allow to pretend to be one of us. it's a specific warfare, according to islam, that you can potentially be long-standing to be part of them, to give them permission to kill. this is what's happened at the time of prophet muhammad. and, i know, inside and out, how these people think? the strategies. the strategies of being muslims, even. it's very sophisticated. it's very calculated.
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>> when you hear the barbrngs arity of it. civilians, targeted civilians. and in restaurants, just going by and lobbying grenade. these right-hand turn hard targets. these are soft targets. is there any thought? there's no thought given to the fact that these are civilians. and on that airplane that we saw, there were babies on board. they don't care. >> nope. if it justifies the cause, it's permissible in islam. i can say that. i have studied this. i don't care what other imams are trying to say. i hear a lot of apologetic. it is not.
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in fact, it's very violent. it's permissible for these to kill muslims, even civilians. >> what would be the reaction if there's some isis-sympathetic group. they would see this as a victory? what would it encourage, many? ye, this is going to encourage them even more. we are not going to leave alive. they will die in this fight. >> what stops it from happening here. i mean, you look at the -- i don't know, for lack of a better term, the ease with which they just shot up, these restaurants. and this concert hall. you have to wonder what stops it from happening here.
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do you know? >> you have one group. and then if there's just one left, they me tast size and they start again. i mean, is there any wiping out a group like this? >> well, that should be a ban on the political and military islam in europe. such ideology should not be allowed into the country. >> that's tough. that's tough to do. when you have open borders and a free society, how do you stop it from happening? that's one of the debates we're having right now. we're getting statements from all the presidential candidates
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right now. one that just came in from senator cruz who said this is a clear and unmistaken isolation. >> we have so-called professors of -- in counter terrorism who teach at king's college and other places. these people suggest that we should allow these terrorists to come back again to europe so we can understand them. i do not know how we can think rationally like this. those involved today in this horrible attack,some came back with experience. >> morten, thank you for being with us tonight. joining me now from paris, a university of washington student who was near the concert hall where they took hostages and reported to kill more than a
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hundred people tonight. so you're an american in frens. france. whavs the first you understand that something terrible happened? >> i was just on twitter, actually, following the soccer game between france and germany. i'm a big soccer fan and they mentioned something about an explosion, which obviously, was very suspicious. but, at soccer games, there's always loud bangs and stuff like that. the area i'm at is a pretty much quiet area all of the time. i messaged my dad, had you heard anything on the news or anything like that? there hadn't been anything. about five minutes later, i went back to the window. i'm in a little kwoirt yard area, but then i heard two or three loud explosions. it was obviously very scary. >> and then what did you see next? was there a horde of people
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coming? so what happened? >> it took about an hour. and i believe that's when the hostage situation was taking place at this theater just around the corner. police stand in and they took out all the cars n my lot. they came in and checked the area. i would man it was when they went in to clear the scene, i heard five large explosions, again. at that point, it's about a hum dread people came rushing into my kurt yard a couple people didn't have shirts on. they came running in my courtyard. at that time, i just kind of laid low because i didn't know what was happening. >> so you saw at least one injury. how many injuries did you see? >> i didn't see a whole bunch of joourings. everyone was standing and milling around. i went out and tried to offer
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people some water. i actually kwharjed phones for a couple people who he has phones were dying. i didn't see foo many people injured, with a lot of people had on the gold shock blankets that they give out. >> and where did they go? what did the police do with them? >> they were there for us n three hours, at least. and then the police came in and they all went back out. i don't know exactly where material. i vrnt been out of the courtyard for savety reasons. there's a triag area set up within 10 steps of where my front door is. my whole street is complete pli locked down. it's kind of like a war zone. >> we are told the taxi cabs in paris are free to those milling about the city tonight. there are only people trying to return home from dangerous sights. they have no place to go.
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you're not supposed to be out of lockdown. so many hundreds were stuck outside, never expecting to find themselves in the midst oov a coordinated terror attack. i want to reiterate what we had heard moments ago which is that the guardian and others are saying that the piper, that the officials in paris that they have -- that all of the attackers are -- that they believe all of the attackers are dead. but we're not sure how many there could be. we heard catherine mention perhaps a dozen. how many people it would have taken to coordinate this. the reason they're putting a number prapgs around 5 is because they're saying that some of the shooters are believed to have sprayed the restaurants with bullets and possibly grenades before they then went to the stadium to don a suicide vest. and perhaps the same is true with r. to the concert hall. but we're trying to get to the
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details now. we are hearing from a few different stories now that the officials in paris report that all of the attackers are believed dead. but they, indeed, must have had some accomplices to pull something off like this. the question is where are they? how will they be detekded and how intricate are the links and how organized was this? did it come from syria? is isis behind it. are they getting more with the plane they saw and then now this? the former director is what you saw this evening in pa rigs. >> mehearted goes out to all of the victims of these maniacs. megyn, you know me. i'm very, very concerned tonight of what i've seen here, megyn.
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>> why? >> well, it's not guilreally anything new. but the fact that number one, the so-called mile grant screen into europe which is, i believe, ork strated to a large extent the the fkt that they're going to wind up in european capitals. it's very skier ri to come without a visa. the facts that thoek foezs travel from europe and get tlaning, to me, is just crazy and preposterous. and i don't know how where he continue to do this thing. >> the french president promised to bing in 24,000 syrian refugees over two years. it shows the public they're opposed to it. there's been a sharp divide in france about this.
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>> we have no idea who these people are. when you look at pictures of they want, they're 90% males between the age of 18 and 30. it's crazy. it's phony. and we must end the sank chew ware cities in the united states. what a farce. what a joke. with our open border and free society, we have a great fchlt b.i. they're on sdpland. we don't have enough people. we have a great c.i.a. we've curtailed the very legitimate activities in nsa. this could be in the united states, as the congressman said. and what would we do then. >> why didn't we build up this, why didn't we build up that, why didn't we close the border. why didn't we have 23550,000 pee come who are. this has to stop. if it doesn't, it's just a matter of time before what we're
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seeing today in france happens here. >> the f.b.i. has an investigation in 50 states here. in every single state in the union. so the question is if you were in charge of the f.b.i. now, what would you be doing differently? what can be done to stop this. >> el with, i would take away all of the -- all of the things that burdened investigations all the nonsense that burtens it. we can do this well into the institution. i would hire many, many more f.b.i. you have the notion that you can follow hundreds and hundreds of people. that we can do that with the
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resources we have is just not true. so, in this wide-open society where we have these stupid sank chew ware cities and these nine people who have no extra pounds in the pack of the f.b.i. and we need to let nsa do what they need to do to protect this country. >> the f.b.i. director has been jumping up and down about this saying, "on the record, i don't have enough people." something's going to happen. we're going to get attacked. i don't have enough people. i don't have the resources to stop that. >> megyn, he doesn't have enough people by thousands, not hundreds. by thousands. to keep track of the people that we should be keeping track of. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week right now. >> what is it? why is he under-resourced and why do you feel that the
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programs you think we need to protect ourselves have been cut back. >> this mr. sound very hardhearted. we haven't had enough people die here in the united states. i mean, that's the way it is. i was up in capital hill testifying in the '90s when the telephone switches became digital and the f.b.i. and law enforcement could continue doing wiretapping. i had numerous conversations with people that were deaf it nitly opposed to that. i asked them a simple question, if their daughter was kidnapped, would they want the f.b.i. to be able to track their kidnappers. but that's the kind of question we have to ask the people now that are sitting in congress. of all days to pick him to say that. i mean, is that an exclamation point or is that an exclamation
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point? >> on top of that, the quote\on those is the american blood is best. and we will taste et soon. >> it's always been best. the israeli blood and the american that's the prime blood. and if we don't do something about this flow -- this so-called migrant stream. in the europeans, if they want to continue to dilute what their county is doing, we cannot allow those people into the united states without a reason. there has to be some kind of an asterisk by their name so they don't travel into the united states. and if we're stupid enough to bring in thousands and thousands of these people, who we don't have a clue who they are, all we're doing is putting 50 more pounds in the backpack of law enforcement. that's all we're doing. to me it's very concerning, to
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the point where i'm concerned of my own family, i'm concerned of where my kids go. i'm concerned about a lot of things. and i mean i've always had these concerns because, you know, you sort of have those concerns when you work in that field. but we're just so naive about what we're doing. and we don't have to change the country. we don't have to become a police state to do the common sense things. >> we just have to make some different decisions. james, let me thank you. i want to go to the live coverage that we're listening to right now in paris, france. stand by. >> francois hollande as well as the french prime minister came to the site of the attack. i know that there's several entrance to access the site. were you where francois hollande
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made a speech earlier and fill us in on what he said. >> apologies. what this man was saying just before we got to him is there may still be people trapped in the bataclan. people may still be trapped in there. it apparently has several different floors. i told you earlier the story of how some escaped through the roof and many tried to take shelter or sheltered in place as they were shooting at those attending the concert. what an eyewitness said earlier is they were reloading over and over for 10 to 15 minutes they just shot at the people in there. that the shooter were not moving. they stood at the back of the room. the quote on another network was they shot at us like we were bir birds. and they were wearing black, did not have masks on. and just continued to reload other and over again as people tried to find a means of getting
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out while they reloaded. if in fact there are still people trapped in this venue, that would be a new breaking development. we'll continue to listen and see what we can find out about it as we continue to watch the situation in paris. we're told right now that they believe they have apprehended all of the actual perpetrators or that they have in fact died. now we're being told that inside the concert hall, the two perpetrators killed themselves as the police moved. that is the initial report coming out now. we have been in touch tonight with general michael flynn who basically ran the sister to the cia that oversees military intelligence in this country and outside. and he has told us tonight, this is a quote from him, it is isis. and there will be more. this is a man who did this for a living. and as we watch the situation in paris, france tonight, it doesn't surprise anybody, given
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what we've seen them do, given what we've seen them capable of and the only question is what we can do to stop it. joining me now is tony schafer, a senior fellow at the london center of policy research, also brad thor, department of analytics red cell unit. let me start with general flynn. it is isis and there will be more. anything more to quibble with there? >> no. i said that on your show a week ago. mike is one of my colleagues and friends. absolutely. the white house has been consistently wrong on this. they could walk outside, look up in the sky and miss it. president obama said today that isis is under control. it's not. we recognize the trend. and the other thing we're failing to recognize here is foreign fighters are returning from the battlefield. this was an attack executed with military precision, it was rehearsed, it was very clearly
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laid out. so we got to look at the facts for what they are, not what we want them to be. this is what mike meant by saying it's isis. >> brad, it seems like somewhat of a change in tactics. isis has been doing terrible things in the regions in which he was fighting and al qaeda has been going for the huge dramatic terror attacks as we saw on 9/11. this feels like a hybrid between what we see done to the israelis by the hamas, they target them where they live, eat and socialize, and something more preplanned in grandeur. what are your thoughts? >> i believe what we're seeing here was blueprinted in 2008 where there was the swarm style attack which was designed to overwhelm mill tear and police responders as well as first responders with ambulances.
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there were 166 people who died in mum by. i don't know if we'll get to 600 injured in paris but i don't believe we're going to see more than 166 killed here. and probably one of the biggest problems, you heard peter king speaking earlier about what nypd should be able to do about the monitoring when they're going into new jersey. the french intelligence services are good at monitoring people of north african dissent. but right now the fremplg are working feverishly to unpack who these people were, who they were connected with and why they missed this. >> that's the thing. we saw this after 9/11. when you've been attacked -- this is the worst terror attack in the history of france. when that happens people suddenly have a very different view sometimes of civil liberties and how far we should go. >> well absolutely. i agree with brad on this.
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this wu a rolling attack designed to do that. the french, these folks also learned from the charlie attack. we looked at how the french missed this. what components were observable which they now know but they didn't see. i agree with peter king and some of the other folks. we to be dig gentleman. but we need to go back to espionage. to defeat a network, you must penetrate the network. that's what we're going to find that the french failed to do. >> you need double agents to infiltrate. >> bingo. if you don't defeat a network, it will come back. i don't know if it's a new network that was completely undetected or the network that charlie hebdo network was not completely detected.
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>> and i believe no bull horns, no negotiations, we have to be willing as a public to do what the french teams do in france. you go in, you kill these guys because the longer you let them set off and stay inside, the more innocent people die. we have to be there as a culture in the country to say send them in, kill them fast and let's minimize the casualties. >> what will the response be from france and the united states who says it will do all it can to support the country. this is from the vatican saying this is an attack on peace for all humanity and requires a divisive supportive response on the part of all of us as we counter the spread of the homicidal hatred in all of its forms. you got the vatican, this is if first time they suggested we need to go after isis. >> we have to act. we have to do what we're doing, ramping up in syria and iraq.
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go after the leadership, the assassination of jihadi john yesterday. we have to start looking and working with impunity to defeat the networks when they're detected. we don't always have to know in the public. brad knows what i'm talking about. but we have, completely committed to defeating them no matter where they're at. >> go ahead, brad. megyn to add to what tony is saying, we have to go after them. but we have to go after the cause of the cancer. we cannot get islam to reform itself. we need to turn up the heat. you and i can stand in longer tsa lines, all of that stuff. we need to turn up the heat on the islamic world to reform itself. >> absolutely. >> that seems like a tall order. >> instead of -- you know,
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charles cooke had a great article where he says, let's shut down for the 12 -- >> stand by. stand by. my apologies. breaking tonight, a live look at paris where authorities are on the hunt for possible accomplices after paris suffers its worst terror attack ever. six different attacks across the city tonight. in the meantime here at home, police and the feds are on alert deploying additional resources saying there are no credible threats to america at this time but that americans must remain vigilant. welcome to the kelly file. i'm megyn kelly. the terrorists sought out soft tar ges, slaughtering innocent civilian, at a restaurant, launching attacks near the


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