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it's amazing what's going on in this world, is it not? thanks for watching us tonight. ms. megyn is next. please remember, the spin stops here because we are looking out for you. breaking tonight, less than 72 hours after some 500 people are killed or injured in a bloody attack on paris, there are growing questions about security here at home,s the white house admits now that we are at war but says no change in strategy is necessary. welcome to "the kelly file." with an active manhunt still behind one of the worse terror attacks in european history, some of the top homeland security officials are saying isis has the potential to pull off an attack like this in the united states. we will be joined by fran
townsend, a top terror adviser to president george bush. judge napolitano is here with the number of syrian refugees we are taking in. glenn beck joins us on president obama's assertion that this attack in paris is just a setback and we have actually contained isis. and a death sentence is hanging over her now, thanks to islamic radicals, is here on the larger threat from radical islam. in fact, it was just hours ago that the islamic state terror group posted a new video, promising to "strike america at its center in washington." while the group often posts messages like these, they can take on a chilling new impact when you see pictures like this, from inside the french concert hall moments before the terrorists attacked, and then compare that image to this one. a horrifying aftermath. we have blurred the bodies.
as young men, armed with shotguns went from person to person inside that same concert hall, attempting to send a dp s grisly message to the world. our nation's leading homeland security voices are warning today and have been for months that this threat may already be on our doorstep. >> we've arrested over 70 isis followers in the united states over the last year. that's more than one per week. we have investigations in all 50 states. we have 900 investigations ongoing in the united states in the homeland as i speak. you know, you just can't stop ate all, and this threat is magnifying, it's not shrinking, it's not going away. >> it is clear to me that icesi has an external agenda, that they are determined to carry out
these attacks. it is not going to content itself with violence inside syria and iraq. it's going to be looking abroad. >> isil has used that ubiquitous social media to break the model and push into the united states, into the pocket, to the mobile devices of troubled souls throughout our country in all 50 states a twin message -- come or kill. come or kill. come to the so-called caliphate, live a life of glory, participate in the final battle on god's side. come to the caliphate. if you can't come, kill where you are. >> we begin tonight with fran townsend, former homeland security and counterterrorism adviser to president george bush. so you heard it there from our officials and just this weekend "the wall street journal" editorial board saying america's day is coming and saying that president obama needs to wake up to this reality. your take on it?
>> look, when you look at the numbers, you heard the chairman tell you, we understand that there are a minimum of 250 foreign fighters here in the united states. what do i mean? these are 250 people who traveled over, fought, were trained, and came back. in addition to that, the fbi has identified 1,000 subjects of investigations. what does that mean? that means individuals who have some tay or affiliation with isis. it may be a social media account like director comey mentioned. it may be a common telephone number. >> already here in the united states? >> this is 1250 folks here in the united states. 250 of which have actually fought. so what resources do they have against that? if you asked the fbi, at least privately, they'll say they only have the resources to cover 60 to 70, 24-7. that means the rest of that they have to make judgments every day about priorities. they may be right or wrong. they don't have the data they used to have from the metta data program due to encryptions.
so they're making these priorities on limited information. so you never know if the guy that you decided not to cover is the guy that's going to pull off an attack like the paris attack. >> president obama says we're not changing our strategy. we're going to continue it more robustly, but continue doing the same thing. if you were advising him in a way you advised president bush, what you would you tell him to do differently. >> it's one thing to say you want to defeat isis, but there's another thing to actually do it. mi-5. the brits announced today they're going to add 1200 additional intelligence agents. >> we're not adding any. >> no, we're not. we ought to be adding law enforcement officers to attack this problem, we ought to be -- president obama held a cyber summit in silicon valley.
he ought to go to his partners and talk to them on the encryption issue. >> those are the ones that can help us. we have the best experts at that in the world. why can't they help us tap into these networks? there's something we like to believe that we have some special magic that might protect us. notwithstanding 9/11, some special magic that might enough out these plots before they happen. is that truesome >> look, we have the best capability in the world, but unfortunately, when all you're playing is defense, you're bound to lose. the guy playing offense only has to be right once. you're playing defense, you have to be right every day. the law of averages are against you, and frankly, i do think part of this is, we have to play offense, we have to try to get them overseas. we need additional resources in iraq and syria. we need to increase the true presence in iraq, expand the rules of engagement. there's a role series of thing it is i was advising the
president -- >> you make a good point about increasing our resources here, which is not something we're told he's going to do. thank you for being here. we've heard there's no way to adequately screen middle east refugees coming to the united states. and now the obama administration is getting serious pushback for its plan to allow 10,000 refugees from syria into this country. in the past 24 hours, a number of governors say they do not want these refugees. a temporary stop to the program has been called for. president obama argues that doing that, disallowing them would be down right un-american. watch. >> my first priority is the safety of the american people. that's why even as we accept more refugees, including syrians, we do so only after subjecting them to rigorous security checks. we also have to remember many of
these refugees are the victims of terrorism themselves. that's what they're fleeing. slamming the door in their faces would be a betrayal of our values. our nations can welcome refugees, who are desperately seeking safety. and ensure our own security. we can and must do both. >> judge andrew napalitano is here. now we know at least one of the killers in paris was a man who posed as a refugee coming in via other countries but ultimately into paris calaiming he needed sanctuary. >> that's the problem. i don't think anybody disputes what the president says, that some of them are victims. the problem is, hidden among them will be some of the worst people we could ever want in the united states and people about whose presence we should all be fearful and fight politically to prevent from happening. the other problem that the president must know is your
ability to search a person's background is only as good as the database that you have access to. there are some limited databases, but for the most part, syria is such a mess, that there's an inadequate database in order to search the backgrounds of the people coming here. i'm not talking about their medical back grounds, but their political and legal back grounds. >> that's how it sounded this weekend, when the white house was in sharp disagreement with pete king how good the screening process is. listen here. >> we have very extensive screening procedures for all syrian refugees that come to the united states. there's a careful vetting process that includes our national counterterrorism center, the department of homeland security. >> what he just said about the robust vetting of refugees is untrue. there's virtually no vetting because there are no government records, we don't know who these people are. >> at least eight governors are saying we're not taking them. but there's a question whether they can do that.
>> i think the president will probably order the department of homeland security to ignore the governors. my heart is with the governors, but this is a federal issue. the president makes these decisions, under federal law, there is no cap, no cap on the number of refugees that he can add mitt here for political asylum or humanitarian purposes. but he has a paramount obligation to make sure the databases that they search exist and are up to date and have accurate information. >> whose database are we going to get the information from? >> congressman king is correct and he's speaking the intelligence line. the databases don't exist. how can the president possibly assure us that these folks he's going to admit here will not have among their number the type of people that perpetrated that monstrosity friday night in paris? >> judge, thank you. >> you're welcome. when the president met the cameras this morning, he spent more than 40 minutes defending
his plans for tackling these terrorists. >> what i'm not interested in doing is posing or pursuing some notion of american leadership or american winning. >> up next, glenn beck joins us on the road ahead in the war on terror. don't miss this. plus, president obama said you cannot equate events in paris with the religion of islam. a woman who has a death sentence hanging over her will discuss that argument. and chris stirewalt is here how this is changing the gop race for the white house, just ahead. >> president obama has consistently abandoned and alienated our friends and allies and coddled and appeased our enemies. that is never more true than with radical islam and terrorism.
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that has no relationship to what is actually going to work to protect the american people. >> that was president obama today, defending his plan for taking on the terrorists in a news conference that ran almost an hour and was dominated by events in paris. the president spoke from the g-20 summit in turkey and was forceful when it came to rejecting calls for the u.s. to strange its strategy. glenn beck is here with reaction but we begin with james rosen. >> megyn, a setback. a terrible and sickening setback, that's how president obama referred to the paris attacks this morning. in an hour-long news conference in turkey, the president flashed anger only once when he rejected republican calls to limit the number of syrian refugees allowed into the u.s. however, he also expressed irritation at the number of questions he was getting from reporters suggesting he hand underestimated isis, the terror group which he once called the
jv team and declared them to be effectively contained in syria and iraq. >> some of them seem to think if i were just more bellicose in expressing what we're doing, that that would make a difference, because that seems to be the only thing that they're doing, is talking as if they're tough. but i haven't seen particular strategies that they would suggest that would make a real difference. >> the president also defended his use of the term violent extremist groups saying we should not define the terrorism problem as a muslim problem. >> they will lead, i think, to greater recruitment in the terrorist organizations over time.
>> however, the president did call on muslim leaders around the world to start asking themselves serious questions about how and why their children are infected with jihadi idealology. >> join uing us now is glenn be. >> i can't take it, i can't take it. this guy's judgment is off every single time. you want to trust the president in what he's saying? okay, let's look where the president has been in the past. remember the fruit cart guy that set himself on fire in tunisia? the president said that was rosa parks. he sets himself on fire, that trips into the arab spring. that goes into the collapse of libya. because of the collapse of libya, we have an immigration problem in spain, italy and france, the migrants who start going over. we realize that because all these things are collapsing, we know that syria is on the verge of collapse. we start running guns out of
benghazi into syria. because we run guns, we create isis. all of these decisions that the president has championed, that causes the refugee crisis in germany, france, all over europe. that's how we get to paris. this guy's wrong every single time. every time he's wrong. when he says that we don't have a way to screen them, it's funny, megyn, because we have a way to screen them. we have -- i know you haven't done any research, but i know you're smart enough to figure this one out. how many christian members of isil or isis are there? >> uh-huh. i know that you have -- right, i know. i know that you've set up a screening process yourself to get christian refugees. before we get to the refugees, what the president said today was, look, basically it's hard, and what he said was, when you're talking about the ability with a handful of people, was not wildly sophisticated
military equipment and weapons, who are willing to die, they can kill a lot of people and preventing them is challenging for every country. >> can i ask you a question, megyn? you know where france got the coordinates of the big isis base they just bombed? from us. how is it that we had those coordinates and we didn't hit them if we were trying to destroy and run them into oblivion? >> catherine herridge reported that the number of air strikes has diminished. so his heart is not in it, is that what you're saying? >> i stopped guessing what the president really wants or trying to do. i'll just tell you this. for him to let gitmo prisoners out this weekend, on this weekend above all weekends, and then to say, i don't care what the governors say, i don't care what anybody says, we're going to up, not just continue, we're going to up our syrian refugees
here in the united states. that man is surrounded by behavioral scientists. he's always hiring more behavioral scientists to tell us exactly what to get out of the american people. what is it he's trying to get us to react to? how is he wanting us to react? i can tell you how the american people are wanting to react. look at the support behind the anger of donald trump. they're reacting and they're very angry. what is the president doing? he's not listening to the people. exactly the same thing that happened in france. they're not listening to the people. >> there's a question of whether he is listening to his advisers, because we had lieutenant general michael flynn, who headed up the defense sister to the cia, who said read the damn intelligence he's saying to the president. at the same time, you have a buns bunch of intelligence saying that's not the problem. we give them the intelligence, but we're being told to change
it to comport better with the white house narrative. >> james clapper said, and this happened on sunday, james clapper just said that you just had a report that he had what, 1250 people that the fbi is watching? james clapper says there are thousands of fighters that have traveled to syria and returned to europe. but the number being tracked here in america is 40. so which is it, 1250 or 40, mr. president? >> glenn, stand by. thank you. >> thank you. it did not get a lot of attention, but some of the folks upset about racism on college campuses were not happy with coverage of events overseas. glenn has some thoughts on that just ahead. plus, we go to bill hemmer, standing by in paris with the story from the streets of a city on edge. >> we're scared, but we know we have to fight pack and the only ♪ i built my business with passion.
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[ screams ] the video you just saw taken during a vigil that ended in panic when mourners thought they heard gunshots. what they reportedly heard was firecrackers. bill hemmer reports from paris. bill, where are we tonight? >> reporter: megyn, good evening. they believe they have the mastermind, they just don't know where he is. ploefed to be in syria, megyn, you remember he's the same one who they believe masterminded the august sho that train from amsterdam, taken down
by three americans. they're looking for an eighth attacker who they believe surviv survived, one of two brothers involved. his brother is dead. police stopped this 26-year-old from belgium earlier, and apparently he was questioned and let go. the circumstances we don't know. but that's the story we're getting tonight. the french president under enormous pressure here in his home country, has a state of emergency that will spend about 12 days. he's asking parliament to give them three months of a state of emergency. that is how seriously he's taking these threats. we don't know if that will fly. if it does, unprecedented in the modern history of this great country that tonight, megyn, says it is at war. >> bill, today we heard from parisians saying they're scared. they're trying to go to work, they're trying to do things they would normally do so the terrorists don't win, but the reality is, of course they are
scared. street will belie that. morning rush hour was packed, both directions, traffic hasn't let up all day. businesses and shops were open. schools were back open today. they will tell you they are resilient and they want the world to know they will not bend or give in. but if you move to my right, 15 minutes from here, and if you get a sense of where these restaurants are, where these gunman throw their car up and fired these bullets, one restaurant after the next, and you imagine at 9:00 on a friday, how many hundreds of people were in these locations, they knew the target they were going after, megyn, and they knew that target was frankly easy to hit. >> bill hemmer, thank you, my friend. president obama today said
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president, against all evidence, declared isis contained and took a victory lap. isis is not a jv team, mr. president. they are not contained. they are at our shores and their measure their victories in body counts. >> this is a clash of civilizations. as i said at the debate earlier this week, there is no middle ground. either they win or we win. >> chris stirewalt is with me now. chris, so is there any real difference between the republicans now on how to deal with the threat of isis? >> well, the question is, boots on the ground, how many. there is sort of a wing of the republican party that favors air pow tore obliterate the region. and then there are others -- >> lindsay graham. >> he would be more in the jeb bush camp that says we need boots on the ground so you can work it out. i would say you talk to the other side, it would be more in the heavy air power space. i don't characterize anybody's
view for them in that case, but that's a strong vein in the republican party, that says light them up. >> how do voters react when they hear the republicans saying, obama, obama, obama. is there -- does it help separate the wheat from the chaff when they're figuring out who to vote for? >> the migrant issue is enormous. and all the candidates are coming to one point of view which is at the very least they're where rubio and carson and arguably donald trump were originally, which is not now. at least not now, a freeze. those who were talking about sorting out muslims from chris chance, that will sort itself out and everybody will get to know more migrants. the question now is, voters change. so the politicians chae s chan things warrant. but when the world infringes on
the fantasy play of primary election, oh, i like bernie sanders, or carson. when you have world events imbring on your primary, you think of things more seriously. >> the last point is, we're hearing a lot about the nsa and the curtailing oh of that program. opportunity for somebody like christie, hurtful for someone like rand paul? >> well, insofar as either of those two candidates can be helped or hurt, i suppose yes. but no. >> chris, great to see you. >> you bet. friday's attacks in paris had an immediate impact on the democratic race. as it quickly became the focus of the debate in des moines, iowa, with the candidates being asked is america at war with radical islam? ed henry has the story. >> reporter: megyn, you're right. that shift in focus to terror should have been in the wheel house of the front-runner,
hillary clinton. instead, she found herself on defense with the moderator suggesting she and president obama repeatedly underestimated isis. today, jeb bush, a republican candidate, declared clinton and the rest of the democrats in the race have no clue on national security, in part because of this exchange. >> secretary clinton, you mentioned radical jihadist. marco rubio said this attack showed that we are at war with radical islam. do you agree with that characterization, radical islam? >> i think we're at war with jihadists who -- >> he didn't say all muslims, he said radical muslims. >> i think you can talk about islamists who clearly are also jihadists. >> now, a clinton aide said she will not say we're at war with radical islam because it offends muslim countries she'll need to work with if she's president. and bernie sanders, he agreed in the debate that using the phrase
radical islam is not important, and he doubled down in his previous claim that america's biggest security threat is climate change, which shows that clinton statements are probably not going to have a major impact on her march to the democratic nomination. >> ed, thank you. for more, we turn to robert zimmerman. good to see you. what of that? because there's a fascinating piece in the daily beast today that argues that they are betraying their ignorance or their inability to grapple with the true nature of this enemy by not just naming it what it is, radical islam. >> it's just the opposite, megyn. if you watch what secretary clinton has been saying, president obama, they're following what president george bush did when he avoided at great strength referring to radical islam. >> out of a desire to do what? >> to keep the focus on the jihadists and the terrorists.
>> and avoid stereotyping muslims? is that the end result here or avoid enflaming anger? >> every isis and al qaeda terrorist has one objective, to unite the muslim community, 1.6 billion of them, to convince them that they are at war with the united states. >> if we say we're at war with radical islam, that's going to do that? >> if we -- >> no one is saying war with islam. >> that's how it will be sbur preted. -- interpreted. let's focus on what can be done. why hasn't ted cruz stood up and supported a war resolution. >> it's not an obnoxious debate. thoughtful people, including general jack keen and lieutenant general michael flynn said we have to name the enemy. their argument is that you can only understand what we're fighting by naming it add getly. if you want to study radical
islam at a university, it's nearly impossible, because we like to pretend it's not there. >> the target is very clear, it is isis. it is al qaeda. and the reality here is that the republicans running for president would be advocating a war resolution against isis. the republican senate has not even confirmed the undersecretary to oversee counterterrorism activities and to oversee financial crimes, which deals with freezing money for terrorists? that's where the real battle is. >> do you know that the intel analysts are saying that the intel they're generating are having their reports diminished and down played by this administration. that's what they say. >> frankly, what we're seeing is the republican candidates for president adopting the same position as president obama. >> that's not true. you're -- they're not in a position to receive these reports. you have the top intel analyst
saying he's ignoring our reports. >> this white house has taken the fight very seriously. >> it was just a setback in paris, i know. >> even the fact checker of this network has documented -- >> that's not our fact checker. >> it's been used. they said president obama was correct when he said isis is being contained in iraq and syria. >> the point is the suggestion that isis has been contained in iraq and syria is completely blind to what they are doing in other parts of the world. in beirut, the russian airliner and now in paris. it's a myopic statement that doesn't take into statement the spreading of this group. i've got to go. >> the way you fight it is building coalitions with our allies and reaching out to moderate muslims. >> we're trying that. >> but you don't do it by attacking the muslim faith. >> radical islam is much
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breaking tonight. hillary clinton is not the only one who will not identify this enemy as radical islam. here is president obama just earlier today. >> and so to the degree that anyone would equate the terrible actions that took place in paris with the abuse of islam, those kinds of stereotypes are counterproductive, they're wrong. they will lead, i think, to greater recruitment in the terrorist organizations over time if this becomes somehow defined as a muslim problem as opposed to a terrorist problem. >> joining me now, ayaan hirsi ali. she's the author of the book "heretic" and founder of the ayaan hirsi ali foundation. she was raised muslim and
forcibly mutilated before renouncing the religion and its ideals. ayaan, thank you for being with us tonight. what of that argument? we heard that argument from the president that if we call it a war on radical islam, we're going to alienate the rest of the muslim world, not just the radical islamists, the rest of the muslim world. >> i think the president is right. the united states of america and the western civilization is not at war with islam, but islam extremists is invoking islamic theology, aided and abetted by some muslim nations, saudi arabia and qatar, they are waging war on us. and the strategy from 9/11 that is indeed the former president bush, but also other western leaders, the strategy that if we equate, if we say this is something within islam, we're going to lose the battle to them, that has been tried and it
is failing as we are seeing now in paris. i lived in europe, and the entire leadership agreed on this argument. but what we are witnessing now is a failure of that strategy. we need to face the problem and we should start by naming it. >> we look at this over and over again, and we believed here in america, many, that if we wouldn't use that terminology, and pulled back from the middle east somewhat, perhaps they couldn't hate us so much. perhaps they would. want to hit us. perhaps there would be some detante with these people. it appears it hasn't worked. >> it hasn't worked. listen, one of the things we really have to digest is islamic extremist is older than this election cycle and the last one and 9/11. sunni extremism is at least 95 to 98 years old. it's going to outlast this election cycle. this problem will stay with us. it's not what we do or say what
we don't say, we have a substantial number of people on the planet who are muslim, invoking islamic theology, who have declared war on our way of life. the association between men and women on our tolerance, our freedoms, the call on everything that western civilization is, we need to acknowledge that and defend ourselves. and the first thing to do is acknowledge -- >> i want to ask you that. that's the thing, it doesn't matter what we call them, or what we do, it seems that they object to our belief system. they object to our way of life. they object to the fact that we don't necessarily believe in allah, that we have the first amendment. they object to so much of who we are. >> absolutely. >> how can we, as a practical matter, go about protecting ourselves and the first thing in your article is learn from
israel. >> absolutely. israel, from the time it was founded, had to deal with this. and over time, and in a painful way, israel developed an infrastructure. it is legal, it is counterterrorism measures, its intelligence. they know what they're doing. we should stop demonizing israel and start learning from them. and by my knowledge, israel hasn't declared war on islam. israel collaborates with some of the muslim countries when they want to collaborate with israel. but israel is at a place where in terms of fighting domestic terrorism, they have made such headway that the scenes we've seen in paris are unthinkable. yes, the terrorists are using knives and cars and other desperate measures. but the mass murder of israelis is unthinkable because of the measures they put in place. i think we have a lot to learn from them.
>> i recommend your book to everyone. it offers so many smart insights as we always expect from you, ayaan. thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you, megyn. it did not get a lot of a l attention in the middle of the breaking news outside of france, but some of the folks upset about racism and insults on with coverage of events overseas. glenn beck is back with us and has thoughts on that, next. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple veggie dish ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple dinner ever? heart healthy california walnuts. great tasting, heart healthy california walnuts. so simple. get the recipes at walnuts.org. tduring red lobster'sg ultimate seafood celebration
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millions across the world have expressed solidarity with the french people. but some here in the united states express frustration complaining that the terror attack in paris appear to be stealing the media spotlight from allegations of racial discrimination and unfairness on the campus of the university of missouri. one supporter of the mizzou protest tweeted, quote,
interesting how the news reports are covering the paris terrorist attacks but said nothing about the terrorist attack at #mizzou. glenn beck is back with us now. so bad were a couple of these tweets, that the university came out and said, these are not from inside the mizzou community. we don't really know who these people are. and yet there have been at least a couple, including one from juray mckesson, who says there's no rank order to injustice. you can keep all these in mind simultaneously. >> i just want you to know we also didn't know who is driving the truck. we also don't know who used the "n" word, yet somebody lost their job over it. what kind of double standard is this? the tweets are outrageous. and you know, it shows you that their agenda matters. black lives matter. if black lives mattered, they'd
be in chicago right now and raising hell over the 9-year-old that was killed in cold blood, lured into an alley and killed in cold blood last week. so it's not black lives matter. i don't even think it's lives matter. it's agenda matters. let me give you this. this comes from the african black coalition created in 2003 to spread through the california university system. they just wrote a new article and posted it, a new constitution or a bullet. let me give you a couple of lines from it. do we not have the right to abolish the laws that oppress us? it's time we demand a new constitution or tell america that she'll get the bullet. if america doesn't protect us, then it's our human right to defend ourselves by any means necessary. our human right to overthrow a government that's been destructive to our people. we must pick up where the black panthers left off and declare a no constitution or it will be the bullet. what's happening in our university system is being led by the professors and the leftists and the anarchists.
and the socialists in our university system. it's how revolution always happens. they seed it in the universities. we have got to find our way to each other in universities because i really truly believe 2016 is going to look an awful lot like 1968. >> glenn, thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. jeb bush: leadership means you've got to be all in. it's not about yappin'. it's not about talking. it's about doing. i know how to do this because i was privileged to serve in florida for eight years.
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