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over but negotiators tried to go less ballistic 46 years ago today. when news breaks out we'll break in because breaking news changes everything on fox news channel. i'm shepard smith in new york. now to neal. >> honest and frank about this and talk about these things without being fearful. there is a problem with some of the muslim community in this country. there is a problem. we have to be honest about it. our politicians i'm afraid haven't had. >> all right. he runs an opposition party and looking eerily pressing now. he's all but a racist say critics. the ramped multi cultural around the world. countries including britain, france e germany and the united
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states have lost their identity and their very dna and soul and now it's up for grabs as well as the lives of the residents of all of those countries and then some. nigel ferar as you never before heard him. still insists is the big worry he fears. welcome everybody. this is your very, very scary world. we're going to offer you the latest from paris. we can at least ease your fears about this situation. a serious security situation that developed in hanover, germany where they stopped a match that would have been attended by angela merkel. on the serious thoughts of a bomb either placed there or other security related threats. all mitigated since. they did abandon the stadium with caution. we're not told what they were fearing or seeing. just that it appears to be
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settled right now. but nerves are frayed. to steve in paris with the latest. steve. >> reporter: neal, an international manhunt is under way in belgium and in france looking for two suspects, two terrorists who believe to have taken an active part in the shootings friday. france has mobilized more than 100,000 police and military. french watching more than 100 police raised overnight and air strikes. another night against islamic state positions in syria. france is moving an aircraft carrier into the region and be able to have 36 attack jets into that fight. and here tomorrow the french state will vote on whether or not they want to make a state of emergency continue for up to three months under that state of emergen emergency. the police have the power to carry out raised and place people under house arrest. that vote in parliament tomorrow. back to you. >> steve with the latest from
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paris where they're trying to find out how many others could have been involved. all we know is that france isn't blinking on this one upping its air strikes and it might join with russia to send the message to isis that no one is kidding around. to the former defense secretary and ci director for president obama. always good to have you. thanks for coming. >> nice to be with you neal. >> secretary, what do you make of this and the fact that now the french are working in concert with the russians on responding to isis, what has changed that tone? because obviously, the russians are no stranger to this, they have indicated that what brought down that passenger jet a couple of weeks ago was in fact a bomb so it was in fact terror. but is that what is changing it or the fact that terror is uniting us? >> neal, we have just witnessed
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acts of war by isis conducted against paris with this vicious attack that they can conducted there. it was the equivalent of their 9/11 and the russians have experienced an act of war as well with isis bringing down a russian airliner. i think this is an opportunity, i really do to unit the civilized world against the barberism of isis. but that's going to take strong leadership. i think that it's important that nato take the step of invoking article 5. they did that when 9/11 hit this country. i think they should do it with the attack in paris. i do think it's an opportunity to try to bring together the nations of europe and nato and our arab colleagues in the
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middle east together into one fight against isis. and whether russia wants to be part of that, i think remains to be determined. i think they can bring a lot to the table. but this is a time when the world needs to unify against isis. >> now article 5 would commit those nations to sign on to it to military liggett involved at its core? >> nato represents the security of europe. europe is clearly a target of isis. we have just seen one of those countries, france being attacked by isis. i think it's important that they join this fight against i'm sis. they can bring tremendous capabilities. when we went to war in libya, we had over 50 nations that were part of that coalition. we had a joint command center at naples that basically coordinated air attacks, it
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coordinated ground operations as well. and was very effective. i think that's the kind of model that we ought to be using today. >> how do you think the president is responding to this? >> i think the president obviously reflects tremendous concern about what took place in par paris. i think he understands that isis is a threat. he's actually defined the right mission, to degrade, dismantle and defeat isis. that is the fundamental mission. it isn't about containment. it is about defeating isis. i think if there's anything that we ought to understand from these last events, it's that we have to go to war against this brutal enemy. >> do you hear that out of the president though because, you know, the likes of linsey graham and john mccain have been saying he does not seem to have the will for the fight or show the will for the fight and that he seems to be urging patience with
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the battle plan already in place against isis. do you agree with that? >> well, look, neal, you know, one thing i've been concerned about in this country and i realize this is the political season, you know, there's just an awful lot of divisions in this country right now and when you're confronting an enemy like isis, i think we have to come together and the president is the commander in chief and i believe that it is very important for the president of the united states now to take leadership, have the united states exercise greater leadership here to bring the world together. i think that it is important not to just think this is about putting 140,000 u.s. troops on the ground. that isn't the choice. nobody supports that. but i do think at the same time that we have a responsibility to increase our effort in that part
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of the world, increase our intelligence presence, increase our special forces presence there as well and work with other countries in the region and work with nato. >> when you say increase your special forces presence beyond what the president has already committed to? >> no. i believe we do need to increase our special forces presence both in syria as well as in iraq. >> because he has not said that. he has drawn the line on that. >> i'm not sure that he hasn't left that opportunity open. i do think that the military understands that right now the best way to deal with this is to have additional special forces that can work with other countries, work with the ground forces of other countries to be able to identify targets, to conduct the kind of air attacks -- i mean air attacks are great but at the same time
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if you don't have good targets on the ground it doesn't do much in terms of destabilizing the enemy. we've got to identify better targets on the ground and need to have special forces that can better coordinate ground operations. ground operations by the kurds, ground operations by the sunnis. this is a war. and we're going to have to unify under one command to conduct this war. >> secretary, a little outside your purview here but 33 governors now have rejected plans to take in some of the syrian refugees. they have taken in close to 2,000 over the last couple of years. 1,987 is the exact number. but drawing a line on additional ones. even though the president committed to 10,000 in this latest go-around saying they can't be sure where they're coming from. there's going to be a conference
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call with those governors and that they need to be assured they say to a man and woman, at least the ones i talked to earlier, that there are going to be very stringent background checks but that is impossible with a lot coming over because there is no record. there is no trail to them. so what do we do? >> you know, neal, as cia director, you know, we often had the responsibility to try to identify who were the bad guys, the terrorists, the individuals that could cause trouble and that was our responsibility. so i think the job of our intelligence agencies, the job of our law enforcement agencies, the job of our homeland security department is to develop the kind of effective screening and security necessary to ensure that terrorists are not coming into this country. that's their job and the
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president of the united states has to make clear to the governors and the people of this country that they are taking steps to make sure that we are protecting their security through this kind of screening. >> you know, the syrian president has already said if france is looking to take the fight to isis and insisting on conditions -- i'm paraphrasing -- he will not -- in other words, the environment is changed and that maybe we shouldn't be so focused on assad. do you agree with that and do you think that the russians by supporting him but by focusing on isis as a threat and as you said at the outset they experienced it firsthand in the downing of this jet that we have to deal with the fact that assad stays, the focus is isis? >> i don't believe we have to do that. you know, we've also established the goal, the president
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established the goal that assad has to come down. assad has been responsible for that terrible syrian civil war that in many ways created a lot of the problems we are now facing. i don't believe we ought to in any way accept assad as the leader of syria. that ought to be a requirement in working with these other countries, that assad has to step down and that we have to have a transition to another government. >> it doesn't look like he's going anywhere though. it doesn't look like he's going anywhere. >> well, you know, look, we cannot have stability in syria with assad, period. he has brought terrible, terrible tragedy to that country, 200,000 are dead, 3, 4 million refugees as a result of what has happened there. he is in my mind a leader who
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has violated every rule of civil leadership in his country. he doesn't deserve to lead. we need -- you know, we don't have to choose. we can fight isis as we should and we can ensure that assad steps down at the same time. those ought to be the terms for any kind of agreement as far as the effort to confront isis. >> you know, you're always a gentleman and a diplomat about how you course out your criticism but do you think with all that's transpired with isis that the president missed the importance of isis? maybe it goes back to the jv team comment. that cost us valuable time and security. >> you know, my concern is that i think the intelligence in this
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country probably missed the intelligence on isis from the beginning in terms of the kind of threat that they represented. and i think as a result of that you know a lot of mistakes have been made in terms of how we have dealt with isis. but the reality is we are now recognizing that isis is a capable, well-trained, well-armed and very dedicated enemy that is intent on killing innocent men, women, and children. and that in fact, we are at war with isis. and i think the president of the united states and other world leaders need to recognize that this is not a time to just kind of sit back and hope that somehow this enemy will go away. this is a time to mobilize the world against that kind of
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barberism. >> thank you for taking the time. we very much appreciate it. >> thank you. >> all right. the republican senator from new hampshire says we got to stop dep baiting this. get tough now. because there is no stop in us. or you. only go. ♪ (vo) some call it giving back. we call it share the love. during our share the love event, get a new subaru, and we'll donate $250 to those in need. bringing our total donations to over sixty-five million dollars. and bringing love where it's needed most. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.
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all right. we told you about the 33 governors across the country, most of the republican but not all four democrat have been expressing their opposition to taking these syrian refugees in their stay. they might not have a legal heel to stand on. that the federal government trumps on these issues and they might have to. they're going to be part of a conference call tonight with the president. some thoughts from republican new hampshire senator. your governor is going to be challenging you. of course saying look, go flow here. what is the fear right now
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different than the 2,000 or so already been accepted into this country for all i know in new hampshire as well. >> we saw with the attacks on par 't paris that at least one of the individuals came in on a refugee status, maybe more. that's being investigated. we need to rethink to make sure that anyone coming to the united states from that conflict region, that they're thoroughly vetted and that we have a guaranty they're not engaged with isis. here's the issue. we know the fbi director said just a few weeks ago that he doesn't believe we can fully vet all of these individuals coming from syria and iraq and the conflict there because the issue is that we don't have information on a lot a folks from syria in particular. that makes it difficult to vet them.
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don't we owe it to the american people to guarantee that anyone coming here is not associated with isis in light of what we know in the paris attacks. i think it's a basic matter of homeland security. that's why you see the governors stepping up. by the way, my governor stepped up after i called in the morning for 100% guarantee, a revisiting of this program and i'm glad she followed my lead on this. >> senator, i understand everyone's concern in light of the paris attacks, can't be too cautious, but if you think about it, we have got 4 million of these refugees, maybe more who are flooding borders across western europe and old eastern europe and they're held in detainment camps, no one wants them. germany's angela merkel said she would accept them but the german people are saying no, the same in britain, france, and i'm beginning to wonder where are these people going to go?
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>> i think, neal, it points out to the fact that we need to destroy isis. you have got to go to the heart of the problem. every got to go to the issue and understand that if we don't continue to pressure isis they're going to continue to be more and more refugees. >> let's say we annihilated them tomorrow, those 4 million, maybe more are still without a home. it's just the consequences of war i guess. what happens? >> that's the issue also and obviously addressing the conflict in syria. at that point if you destroy isis and you can get in a position as secretary panetta talked about where assad can go then you can have a political solution and at that point they can have a homeland like their country they came from but right now it's so involved with conflict. if you look at what isis has done to iraq. murdering people. raping them. this creates more and more
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refugee issues. but again we have to make sure we protect our country. >> thank you. always good seeing you. appreciate it. >> thanks, neal. >> up next, i want you to meet the former air force general who says get serious now.
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we're getting more details on what prompted the cancellation of that soccer match in germany between germany and the netherlands. it was expected to be a sellout affair. 60,000 plus in the stadium. some say 80,000. i don't know what's more accurate. it was going to be a sellout. but then reports there might have been truck explosives outside the stadium that would have threatened the game itself and that angela merkel could be in danger. she was going to be there with
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top parliament members as well. very similar to france with the match there. the prime minister of france and his predecessors in attendance. they have since eased the threat and cleared out the stadium. they didn't take any chances. they found no explosives. they didn't even find a truck. but they said that does not mean that the threats were palpable and real. security measures were taken to be made out of abundance of caution we're told by security officials at the scene and they are still exploring the stadium as we speak. reaction from former air force general who say that is the u.s. can't stop isis unless it's very serious about stopping isis and taking note of events just like this. general, good to have you. what do you mean by that? >> well, neal, the fact of the matter is the attacks in paris, the attack on the airliners and
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upcoming attacks in the united states are a manifestation of an ememetic and indecisive set of operations led by the united states as part of this coalition against the islamic state. what i mean by that is if you take a look at air operations for example over the last year they have only averaged six strikes in all of syria. now, to put that in comparison in desert storm we averaged over $1,200 strikes a day. we have in our capacity and capability the way ahead to be able to disassemble and destroy the islamic state but in order to do that we have to stop fighting the last war and thinking about the islamic state as an insurgency which they're not and start thinking about them as a state and then apply a cohesive air campaign to take apart that state. >> aren't they saying the reason why they haven't gone full throttle to your point is they
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they fear collateral damage, that a lot of the areas they would strike isis are around population centers and they don't want to hit civilians but to your point it is a one armed paper hanger. not much you can do. should we be accepting the real possibility and going after isis that there will be collateral damage and isis is playing off that concentration around civilian centers because they know we're reluctant to strike them in such areas. >> you're exactly right. but the laws of international armed conflict recognize that there been unintentional casualties that result with the act of combat itself. but what is the logic of a policy that restricts the application of air power to prevent the potential of collateral damage while allowing the certainty of the islamic state's crimes against humanity.
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>> we're going after the oil positions and that is their currency even with the collapsing price in oil. what i wonder is who is buying that oil? who in the third markets are buying that oil from what they know are nefariuos sources. >> it gets into a level of detail that we probably don't have. the real question is why did we wait 15 months before we start to take out the oil distribution capacity that's feeding the islamic state, a million and a half dollars a day which goes back to your original point in the context over the concern over collateral damage. the current campaign is to avoid civilian casualties. how many murders have occurred as a result of the islamic state being able to operate from that 500 million plus of influx into
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their economy they acquired over the last 15 months that we have allowed their oil distribution system to feed them that money? the other one is, you know france, the airliner, what's happening in germany. what's going to happen in the united states. these are all centrally controlled out of the islamic state's leadership facilities in raqqah. how come we haven't hit these. imagine we could have avoided and prevented what happened in france, what happened in the airliner over egypt and what's happenied in the sinjar provinc in iraq. if we have taken down the leadership last year. >> good point. so concerned about civilian casualties. >> here's what's happening. if i may, neal. here's what's happening. >> sure. >> the enemies of the united states are exploiting our humanity to impose their terror.
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it's time to change our strategy and focus on the proper application of air power as a key force to destroy the islamic state. >> and it's very well put, general. i think that's extremely well put. thank you, sir, very, very much. >> have a good day. >> i told you about the british opposition leader raising eyebrows when he talked about the global society's need to be multicultural. everyone is welcome. go ahead and disband your notion of being a one type of people. now, all of a sudden he's getting more attention. because what he predicted has come to and what he's predicting now is coming to pass even faster. after this. >> what we have seen, leaders in this case of radical islam is we have seen appeasement. a total failure of leadership. ()
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are we being too politically correct not only in this country, in every western country. >> in most countries. whether welcome all and blend in and forcibly make it work? a british opposition leader says it's --
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despise our way of life and want to destroy us. >> this multi culturalism, countries with big heart are making big mistakes. what happens to these millions of syrian refugees? >> i feel sorry for anyone living in a war area like syria. the problem is if we allow a biblical proportions there will be a percentage of that large number of people who are being put in deliberately by isis. >> all right. so multi-culturism or just multi-problems. he agrees with a lot of that opposition leader and what he had so say. what do you think of that? >> well, look, i think roger is right on the big picture, it is true that there are fifth columnists. it's an accurate term. there are jihadists subsidized
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from saudi arabia or the europen union who openly espouse joining isis who say that western europe needs to be brought to heel. it's a very small number but they have outside influence and the issue isn't just the sweepers coming from isis, you know, europe in particular has a much worse problem than the united states days because of politically correct attitude. you have second and third generation, muslims and children of immigrants much more radicals i ized than their parents were. when you don't -- remember, some of us might remember the horrible child sex abuse rape gangs that were in england and local officials were terrified to say anything because they knew they would be denounced as
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racist for calling out the fact there were these rape gangs doing these terrible things to children. i have no problem with immigrants of any ethnicity and religion but doesn't work unless you have the civil confidence to say this is the kind of society we're going to have. if you advocate for intolerance, we're not going to tolerate it. >> that was where he was coming from jonah and this is what upset people. he says i'm anti-resistant immigrant. anti-those who come to american or france and don't become english or american or french. an anti, he says those who do not go into society but resist the urge even down to staying in their own areas, zones. and he likened it to the immigration way that this country when italians set up shop in one area in new york and irish and germans, what have
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you, but they all blended together and all learned english and all became american citizens and they all sort of became part of this melting pot. he then said now we become a world of crackpots. i'm wondering where one draws the line here. in this day and age is that possible or is he reminding us that we have become the world of little languages and never talking or meeting or discussing or cross-culturing if you pardon the phrase with anyone? >> again, i think europe has this problem much worse than the united states. >> absolutely. >> we have been much better asimulating people. bobby jindal was mocked and made fun of because he's actually proud of the fact he's asimulated to american culture and all the standup comics and reporters to the washington post were saying he's not an authentic indian. we belittle the idea of
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asimulation now and say it's racist. you're sort of blocking off people from the american dream, from a more happy and productive life. if people want to stay and hold on to their ethic attachments you're free to do so but you also have to buy into certain basic principles and one is you can't advocate for over the road government, the repeal of the constitution. they're the ones denounced as intolerant. >> very well put. >> great to be here. >> we now about lawmakers being briefed on the paris attacks. we also know it occurs on the same day speaker paul ryan has planned funding for these 10,000 refugee from syria who are due here. it has caused a big battle even within the republican party. i want you to meet the guy who
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you know there are about 33 governors, might be 34, i'm using my fingers and toes here, who are opposed to having the 10,000 syrian refugees put up in their respective states. it might be a moot point. if the federal government forces the issue. they're going to be part of a conference call with president obama. trying to explain they'll be thor rely vetted. but paul ryan has delayed a plan to look at funding this syrian refugee program by at least a couple of days. one advocate, congressman of the fine state of texas. very good to have you. where does this stand? thursday i think is the day republicans will revisit this but we're told that it is a very
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divisive issue and your members are dead-set against it. what do you think? >> i don't think so. i think there is likely to be a vote on thursday. i think it will have widespread support among republicans and a lot of democrats and really just commonsense to say we don't want people coming to this country unless we can have reasonable assurance they're not going do attack this country. i don't think that's too hard. >> if the argument against those already admitted in the country is that there wasn't much of a paper trail to go on. bad guys can have families too, the ones who perpetrated the attacks in paris some had families right in paris. how can we delineate? >> we can make sure we have enough information to verify that someone who comes here is a refugee is not a threat to the country.
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if we cannot verify it, they cannot come to the country. the language is being worked on now, but i think the key is you have got to verify it ahead of time or else they don't come. there's more steps, too. >> i'm sorry, sir. more than half of them don't have a paper trail or record they flee the country with the clothes on their back. they would not by your definition be allowed in, right? >> well, i think what we're looking at is to get verification from the fbi, the intelligence community that they have done a thorough background check and can establish that these folks coming in would not be a threat to the country. >> how would they know? >> if they don't know then they cannot verify or certify that they're not a threat to the country. you got to prove it. >> the reason why i'm timing this with all the stuff happening in france and this threat at the german soccer
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facility today is that a lot of european nations are saying to hell with it, we or not taking anyone in. there are refugees lined up in camps outside border stations controlled by multiple countries whose leadership has loathed to let them in. this could last for years, right? what happens? >> well, it could. but remember, even secretary of state clinton has called for safe havens in the north of syria and in other places so the refugees would have to place to go to but not necessarily flow into europe or the united states. now they would have to be protected. you're right, they would have to be clothed and fed but that is a lot better option for europe and probably for us than to have these thousands of people with unrestricted migration. >> is it your understanding that the federal government trumps state governors who are opposed to these refugees coming in?
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>> i don't know what the legal -- what the cases say about a governor making -- a state making one decision on bringing in refugees and the federal government making another. it is certainly the case under our federal law overrides state law. so i think that would have to be tests but i think the governors have made a clear point that just accepting 1,000 people without the sort of certification we talked about is not something they're willing to take in. >> all right. congressman thank you for taking the time. we appreciate it. all right. it wasn't that long ago, maybe my grandparents' time, and their parents' time that we came into this country and someone vouched for you. if you arrived in ellis island there was someone there to greet you and that took care of the cost that the government was afraid of incurring and any doubt that you were just coming here to do god knows what. that was then. let's say that is not now.
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all right. how did we get in this mess where we're unable to account for people coming into this country? was it always that way? for example, with my grandparents and the italian and the irish side,dy a paper on this when i was in college only a few years ago, i might add. i was told that my relatives almost met at the same time at ellis island there were people that greet them, vouch for them. after a process, they were allowed in. it wasn't that simple, especially in the case of
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cavutos, who were a nefarious group. but want to go to professor kenneth davis, an expert on what we did then and what we're doing now. what we could learn then with what we're doing now. very good to have you. >> good to be here. we all grew up in elementary school with that melting pot myth that we were all coming here as immigrants. history a little bit different. >> what the stories i was told in my family's case, there was someone to vouch for them. they went through a mini interrogation. explain what was different back then. if anything. >> let's start and go way back. this is an issue that's been with us, back in the 1750s, benjamin franklin was worried about the germans coming into pennsylvania and it was the french coming in during the french revolution, we had the alien and edition act, one of the worst pieces law.
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and then it was the irish catholics and the italians, they were worried about. after world war ii we were fearful of socialism and bolsheviks. the history shows that most of the fears were overblown. this is a business station, you know when there's a financial crisis, you usually advise people don't act out of fear, out of panic, out of significig. that's often what people do and we like to present the picture that everybody blended together. but they don't, that's why we have chinatown and little italy and germantown and koreatown. >> but they all assimilated much more so then than now, right? >> i don't know that that's true. there's, that's kind of the myth. but every generation has had -- >> my forbearers, they learned the language. >> they had to. >> they were indoctrinated, they
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were good welders and good with stone and good with construction they brought an added value to our country. >> we had to have a group called the knights of columbus, created in this country in new haven, connecticut, to defend and protect the rights of mostly irish and italian immigrants in the lerl i 20th century. >> you're right. what can we learn today. you say a lot of this comes from the post 1980s cuban boat people. explain. >> one thing to distinguish is that immigration and refugees are different. we have immigration policies that go back to before the country was even born. the refugee policies we have really a function of the refugee act of 1980. recognizing that there were people that were in dangerous situations, and we were going to welcome them. >> did any of those groups at the time, kenneth, threaten us or come from groups that wished us ill? >> i would say that probably the best case you would make
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theoretically were that so cubans we were worried about during the mariel boat lift. >> castro's emptying the prisons. >> and then the vietnamese boat people after the catastrophe in vietnam. there have been waves of these where people have always been afraid. now as i said, in the business world, you always like to counsel people to relax, not do things out of a panic and maybe that's one of the things we should think about in terms of national policy as well. >> we're panicking a little too much. >> i think so. >> i hope you're reid right. kenneth davis, "don't know much about history" boy does he know. he is going back to the 1750s, he think i remember that. the best of everything is even better
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