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i don't understand. >> liberal war on christmas. >> first starbucks, then you. >> get back to -- >> what is wrong with you? >> you hate children. >> that's what i said. an early-morning raid in a paris suburb targets the terror agroup mastermind and we'll talk to republican governors going up against president obama over the issue of refugees. this is "special report." good evening, i'm brett baier, we're coming to you tonight from las vegas, where republican governors are holding their annual conference. we will talk with some of them about the paris attacks. u.s. national security, and syrian refugees a little later. first, french tactical teams went after the man believed to have been behind last week's paris massacre during an overnight assault, in saint-denis. we know two are dead and eight
others detained. we do not know if abdelhamid abaaoud was one of those killed. he was the suspected mastermind. let's get the latest now from senior correspondent rick leventhal in paris. >> the french president says his country is at war with isis terrorists. for seven hours this morning, battle was fought in the streets of saint-denis. military special forces, s.w.a.t. teams and more than 100 french police raided an apartment just after 4:00 a.m. where the suspected mastermind of last friday's paris terror attacks was believed to be hiding out. >> translator: we can see the policemen, it wouldn't stop. >> witnesses counted as many as ten explosions and authorities say more than 5,000 shots were fired. nonstop for more than an hour. and near the end of the standoff, more blasts, one of them, a female suicide bomber detonating her vest. collapsing the third floor on to the second. and a male suspect killed by gunfire and a grenade. eight others were taken into custody, including two men
trying to hide in the rubble but authorities say the captured do not include the belgian jihadist, abdelhamid abaaoud, the accused mastermind of the friday the 13th massacres. authorities have not confirmed if he's among the dead. >> we're trying to identify the terrorists that are detained or the terrorists that are dead. or anybody that could be implied or involved.>> i learned it was and the individuals barricaded themselves at my house. i didn't know they were terrorists. >> the apartment owner is among those in custody. despite his claims he was doing a favor for a friend and didn't know his tenants were terrorists. police have alerted neighbors to be on the lookout for a vehicle that could be carrying salah abdeslam. the french military continuing the campaign against isis abroad. >> translator: what is at stage is to put an end to annihilate an army that threatens the
entire world, not merely some countries versus others. >> hollande said the french aircraft carrier has left port to assist in military operations in syria. and russia used long-range bombers wednesday against the islamic state. the first time this type of aircraft has been used against the group. secretary of state john kerry said the strategy against isis is working. >> in the last few days we've taken on their oil revenue, which is where they're really getting their money to pay for these tentacles that are reaching out. >> the state department now walking back comments made yesterday in france by secretary kerry, that some critics felt offered justification for the "charlie hebdo" attack in january. >> all he was simply doing was, proffering forth the rationale used by the terrorists in their attempt to justify it. and reflecting the notion that in, the help bdo attack, no the that it's justified, they
justified it. >> the raid was planning to attack a large shopping mall in the financial district in the southern city of marseille, a teacher at a jewish school was stabbed by three men pledging support for isis. they rolled up on a couple of scooters, they began threatening and stabbing the man. but he will survive. because they scattered when a car rolled up. brett? >> rick leventhal live in paris. authorities in honduras say they have detained five syrian nationals who were trying to reach the u.s. on stolen greek passports. police said there's no indication the five have any links to the paris attacks. and whether these five men are somehow tied to isis is still a question tonight. authorities are only saying they were carrying stolen documents. some interesting statistics tonight about syrian refugees. and isis. the chairman of the house homeland security committee said there are 1,000 investigation into suspected isis activity
here in the u.s. that's 100 more than stated publicly by the director of the fbi. with 18 plots he said directed at the u.s. and 60 arrests so far this year. the director of the c.i.a. said the number and percentage of syrians fleeing their homeland is staggering. >> syria, a country of 24 million before the conflict, is approaching 50% of the population that has been either internally displaced or that has moved across borders to neighboring countries or migrating to europe and beyond. >> that's 12 million refugees. that is nearly as large as the combined populations of america's two largest cities. new york and los angeles. that refugee total would fill the nation's largest sports stadium. at the university of michigan. capacity 107,000, 111 times.
the topic of whether or not to let any more syrians into the u.s. is perhaps the most emotional and politicized sidebar to the paris attacks. late today the president and the white house vowed to veto a house bill to increase screening for syrian and iraqi refugees. correspondent william la jeunesse has more. >> we're not well served when in response to a terrorist attack, we descend into fear and panic. >> speaking to reporters in the philippines, president obama mocked republicans trying to stop syrian refugees from trying to enter the u.s. >> apparently they're scared of widows and orphans coming into the united states of america. >> the president called their efforts unamerican. inhumane and unfounded. >> at first they were worried about the press being too tough on them during debates. now they're worried about 3-year-old orphans. >> this is the same president who called isis, the jv. this is the president who put
the states and americans in this situation by ignoring the isis problem six years ago. >> 31 governors oppose or pledged to block refugees from settling into their states, including new jersey's governor chris christie. who will see this as a security issue, it's becoming increasingly political. mayor bill de blasio said he will not close its doors to syrian refugees and took a shot at christie, holding up a picture of a dead child. making the issue even more volatile, some lawmakers say the u.s. should give preference to christian refugees, saying they're more likely to be persecuted and less likely to be terrorists. >> if christians were the people most targeted in the region, they should have the priority if we're trying to give safe haven to people. >> republican lawmakers are considering multiple bills to block the president's plan to bring in 10,000 refugees this year. house speaker paul ryan said they should not be segregated or selected by religion. >> we will not have a religious
test, only a security test. >> one congressman said religiously oppressed minorities, meaning christians should receive priority over the 90% of syrian refugees that are muslim. >> we have a bill of rights that talk about how we have freedom of religion. >> mccall's vote should get a floor vote thursday. it will require the fbi and homeland security to certify. opponents say the bill would effectively end the refugee program. >> the issue of syrian refugee was not on the original schedule for the republican governor. they say if efforts in congress fail to halt the program they can do it using existing law. which requires local aid agencies and nonprofits to cooperate with the states and they failed to do that they can be shut down. brett? >> william, thank you. inside the conference. joining me to talk more about the refugee issue, and other matters, is alabama governor robert bentley.
governor, thanks for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> to hear the white house, some democrats like mayor de blasio, this is an issue about compassion. how do you respond to that? >> well i have compassion for these individuals, also. because they're fleeing from isis, and isis is our enemy, so i have compass for them. my job is to protect the citizens of the state of alabama. when i take my job seriously, which i do, i have to say what will keep them safe and secure. that's why we made the decision on sunday night to say none of these individuals would come into the state of alabama. >> there's a question, governor, about whether you have a right on that issue against the federal government and the administration when it comes to refugees. >> it's very much like a natural disaster. when you have a natural disaster, the governor is in total control of everything. the federal government cannot come in unless i ask him in. this is similar. we consider this a threat.
and we consider it a situation where i am in control. the governor has to be in control. >> late this afternoon the white house issued a veto threat to a house bill, as we just explained, your reaction to that as it just happened? >> you know, i think that chairman mccall is the chairman of the homeland security committee, i believe he is. he said the other day that there were several deficiencies in the refugee program we have in this country. when i decided on sunday night, to decide that nine were coming to alabama and we had 30 other governors that came along beside me and decided to do exactly the same thing -- none, not nine. because of that the president and the white house yesterday finally had a conference call with all the governors' offices across the country. >> were you on that call? >> i was not on the call, my office was. i was in the air. >> did you get a sense of that call? >> they did not give us any
answers. they really just reiterated their old policy that goes back for generations. and this policy needs to be changed. it needs to be brought up to date or scrapped and something else put in its place. >> as you look at the map of all the states involved here pushing back against this, it is stunning. the white house said this, josh earnest this morning saying it falls into isis' hands, take a listen to this. >> the president believes clearly that rhetoric like we're seeing from the republican side, only serves the isil argument. that they are leading a war of islam against the west. >> what do you say to that argument? >> well you know, my situation is i have to protect the citizens of alabama. and i do believe that these individuals could potentially be a threat. we don't have to be wrong but one time and they don't have to
be right but one time. and so when i believe that there's a potential threat, i have to take the citizens of my state. >> speaking of your state, alabama, factoring in this election cycle. just went through the ballot, primary ballot process, getting candidates down there, to file. >> you've endorsed governor kasich in this race. >> i have. >> as we talk politics 2016 briefly, why do you think republican governors, who were predicted going in to do so well in this race, at this point, are not polling well. they're not leading. and some people are questioning whether governors will be in the final primary candidates. >> i am surprised. because i do believe that we need to look to see who could actually win the race. and that's why i chose governor kasich. because i think he's the most qualified and i think he could win the race. >> you know, every four years there's a different mindset to the electorate. and at the present time people
are just angry with government. and i understand that. >> and so do you think this will play out where a governor somehow will come from behind? >> i don't know. we'll just have to wait and see. i do believe that people will begin to say who can win on the republican side. and who would be the best candidate and who would be the best president. we don't need on-the-job training. we've had some of that. we don't need that. we need someone who has the executive experience, someone who can run a government. >> governor, we appreciate your time. >> thank you. well the dow had a big day today, jumping 248, the s&p 500 picked up 33. and the nasdaq finished ahead 89. the refugee issue and president obama's latest digs at republicans, had the gop presidential candidates fired up tonight. chief political correspondent carl cameron has the latest from washington, including the results of a new fox poll. >> as fallout from paris shakes up the presidential race, hillary clinton is planning a
major speech thursday, to lay out her strategy to defeat isis. a do-over after saturday's democratic debate where the front-runner fumbled questions on national security. >> this cannot be an american fight. although american leadership is essential. >> she's walking a tightrope on breaking from president obama. last year she pushed a national security vision that included talk of showing respect for enemies. >> trying to understand and in so far as psychologically possible, empathize with their perspective and point of view. >> which she struggled to defend hours after the terror attacks. >> can you explain what that means in the context of this kind of barbarism. >> historically it's important to try to understand your adversary, in order to figure out how they are thinking. >> clinton has shown distance by calling for a no-fly zone over syria and being more hawkish over issues like arming the syrian rebels. she stands by the president in saying no ground troops in syria
and offered an endorsement of accepting more syrian refugees. >> we can't act as though we're shutting the doors to people in need without undermining who we are as americans and the values we have stood for. >> that may get tricky in new hampshire. where the latest fox poll shows clinton has pulled into a virtual tie with democratic socialist senator bernie sanders. the poll also shows among granite state voters, 40% are satisfied with how things are going in the country, 58% are dissatisfied. which may be why new hampshire's governor is the only democrat among the 31 governors refusing to accept syrian refugees. two months after endorsing clinton. >> she will be a great next president of the united states. >> in her speech tomorrow in new york city, clinton will be stepping on sanders, who is planning an address of his own on what it means to be a democratic socialist. >> we do have a piece from carl
cameron on the republicans. here's that. >> with the world on edge over the paris attacks and the syrian refugee crisis, the latest fox poll in new hampshire where the first primary is in less than 12 weeks shows donald trump at 27%, with marco rubio, ted cruz and jeb bush and ben carson way behind and virtually tied for second within the poll's five-point margin of error. members of both parties want to slow or halt the flow of syrian refugees to the u.s. until vetting can insure there are no terrorists among them. >> it could very well be the ultimate trojan horse. >> republicans are furious for the president for saying gop is scared of widows and orphans when many of the syrian refugees are military-age men. >> president obama doesn't understand the nature of the threat, i guess he's like hillary clinton, he thinks republicans are his enemies. he's a politician, not a leader. >> ted cruz all but accused the commander-in-chief for conduct
unbebecoming. >> mr. president, you can do it overseas, if you want to insult me. but i would encourage you, mr. president, come back and insult me to my face. >> the next president will take office after an eight-year draw-down of military power. >> at the citadel military college, bush accused the obama administration of gutting the military and said it will take u.s. ground troops in syria and he will lead an international coalition to destroy isis with overwhelming force. a separate poll in new hampshire by wbur public radio says 38% of republicans want more troops in the middle east, while 50% prefer the current or a smaller force. bush demands the president clarify how muslim refugee backgrounds will be checked for radicalism before they arrive and argued simultaneously that persecuted christian refugees be allowed in. >> i think he needs to explain to the american people what the vetting process is to allow people, widows and orphans to come in. and make sure that terrorists don't. >> so far the feds say they can
neither vet nor vouch for the refugees, because in so many cases they have no documents, nor any kind of real paper trail. brett? >> the real carl cameron, thank you. we're outside the beltway, no need for the usual round-up. up next we go even further out to tell but one terror group that may be worse than isis. "special report" from las vegas continues. no matter how fast the markets change, at t. rowe price, our disciplined investment approach remains. we ask questions here. look for risks there. and search for opportunity everywhere. global markets may be uncertain. but you can feel confident in our investment experience... ... around the world. call a t. rowe price investment specialist, or your advisor... ...and see how we can help you find global opportunity. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. it takes all kinds of jobs.
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live in las vegas, outside the encore hotel and casino. with all the emphasis on isis, it may surprise you to learn there is another terror group considered even more deadly. fox news reporter paul tillsly tells us who that is from johannesburg, south africa. >> nigerian terror group, boko haram is thought to be behind three suicide bombings in the last 24 hours in the northeast of the country. at least 15 are reported dead and 53 injured after two suicide bombers, one believed to be a teenager walked into a market today and blew themselves up. seconds apart. this is a copycat attack to one in which a third suicide bomber killed 34 and injured 18 yesterday. meanwhile, while the world's
attention is on isis, boko haram has reporthood i overtaken isis as the most deadly terror group in the world. and 6,644, killing over 600 people more than isis during 2014. and the report by the global terrorism index says most of the deaths in the hands of isis are on the battlefield. whereas boko haram has been mainly killing private citizens in public places. their homes and schools. and it goes on to say most terrorist activity is highly concentrated. the five countries of iraq, nigeria, afghanistan, pakistan and syria accounted for three out of four deaths. nigerian president came to office with a pledge, saying that he would wipe out boko haram. but instead the number of attacks has been increasing. he's blamed the failure to contain the terror group on corruption. saying that it's stopping arms getting through to the military. and he's asked the nigerian people to be more vigilant.
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while law enforcement is using the best technology available to hunt the people responsible for the paris attacks, high tech is also working in the terrorists' favor, too correspondent david lee miller explains how from new york. >> u.s. officials believe it is likely the plotters of the paris attacks had phones or other devices that could not be monitored by law enforcement. the use of technology that prevents electronic eavesdropping might explain why planning for what happened on friday went undetected. ed the head of the fbi at a
symposium in new york said scrambled or encrypted communications is a growing problem. fbi director james comey said when recruiting followers isis uses less secure communications. when when plodding a deadly attack. the terror group takes precautions to keep conversations private. they call it going dark. >> if they find somebody that might kill on their behalf or might common kill in the caliphate. move them to a mobile messaging app that's encrypted. at that moment the needle we've been searching the entire nation to find and have found goes invisible to us. right. that is the going dark problem. >> but manhattan district attorney cyrus vance said operating systems from apple and google, new technology is an obstacle to law enforcement. the phone manufacturer sun able to break the encryption code. >> the line between an individual's right to privacy and the legitimate needs of law
enforcement to protect the public should not be drawn by two private companies who make smartpho smartphones. that line needs to be drawn by legislators and by the courts. >> and is calling for federal legislation to force cell phone manufacturs to make their encryption accessible if there's a search warrant. critics say privacy will suffer. we reached out to apple and google, but did not hear back. brett? >> david lee miller in new york. thank you. a short time ago i spoke with new mexico governor susanna martinez, she is currently vice chair of the republican governors association. i started by first asking her about the uproar over the prospect of blocking syrian refugees from settling in the u.s. >> i find it very disappointing in how dismissive president obama was last night in talking about the concerns of the american people and how the refugees are being vetted.
is there a vetting process in place that the american people can have confidence in, that we are not bringing in terrorists into our country? claiming to be refugees? even the fbi director says there are gaps in that vetting process. that we cannot be confident that someone comes in as a refugee and is truly a terrorist. >> you come in from a former prosecutor point of view. so this issue strikes home for you? >> absolutely. i was a prosecutor for 25 years. on the border, the very border where people come and go crossing illegally and in el paso as well. 50 years of living on the border. i saw it every day. and what can happen. so i think vetting people and knowing who is coming into this country, extremely important for our national security. >> could you call in syria and say, is this a person who is
safe, is this someone who is a good, hard-working person and should be brought to america? there's no one to call. no one to confirm. no documents, no anything. >> and so if we can't do that, we cannot allow this process to go forward. that's why i oppose it. >> as the nation's first latina governor and the top executive of a border state, martinez has been fighting her state legislature to overturn the 2003 law providing drivers licenses for illegal immigrants in new mexico. she says if it doesn't get resolved, it could affect in new mexico residents' ability to use their i.d. nationwide. >> we're not going to be able to have people go in to military installations. national labs, board airplanes, et cetera. >> with a new mexico driver's license. >> that's right. >> it's identical. there's no distinction between an illegal immigrant's driver's license or one that is looks
like mine. the problem is that we started to have human trafficking. people were bringing illegal immigrants if all over the country to our state to get a new mexico driver's license. you're supposed to be a resident to receiver that driver's license. but it still doesn't make any difference. i have fought every year to repeal that law. because it is a public safety law. it's not an immigration law. i'm trying to appeal to the public's safety. >> are you getting there? >> we're fighting and fighting. we compromised and said we will put what can is supposedly written on the driver's license and said it can't be used for verification to enter a federal facility, a military base or to board any kind of airplane. and they had actually, we had negotiated it. and they moved the ball on us. and so we can't seem to get there with 75% of new mexico voters are saying repeal it. >> do you think the issue of
immigration, how it's played out in the 2016 race. has been good for republicans? >> the one thing that we have to do is secure our boarders, and i think every one of our candidates are strong on securing our border. if we don't do that in, and show strength that we're going to not allow that very porous border, i know it is very porous. we have people from washington, d.c. come down, they stand at the border, look at the left, look at the right, say this looks secure to me and go home to washington, d.c., when i live there 50 years and prosecute cases, the republicans are saying we must secure that border. and then, have the conversation that on immigration -- >> what's your sense about governors in this race? and why maybe they're not succeeding in the polls? >> americans are starving for leadership.
>> they tell the politicians and our governors have proven over and over and over that they can solve problems. i feel that we're going to have a great nominee and that our next president of the united states will be a republican. i think voters are very smart. i think voters you know, it's still early. the field is full and it's very early. i think when it's time to focus, they're going to start looking and vetting the candidates, the different candidates, what they have to offer. and who is going to bring leadership, not politics that you know, ideology that swings with the wind, as it's blowing. but true leadership. and they actually do what they say they're going to do. >> republicans have focused on hillary clinton, who is likely the democratic nominee. and her email scandal and an fbi investigation. there is now an fbi investigation related to your administration. some of your topics, at least one of them that deals with
emails, public and private. what about that? as you take over the head of the rga? >> oh no. well the investigation references the emails, were actually by an individual that worked on my campaign. and is actually served federal prison time. >> yeah. but separately from that came this investigation into campaign fundraising and -- >> fundraising. okay. well the fundraising is absolutely proper. we have done followed state law, new mexico state law, the attorney general and we've done everything right. i have all the confidence in the world there is nothing that has gone wrong. in my administration. i just gotten elected. and they, the laws changed right after i got elected. and we did everything that is lawful. i'm an attorney, i understand how to read those statutes.
so it's certainly something that i have no concerns about. >> you're a republican governor in a blue-ish state, let's say. >> blue-ish. >> and it's definitely purple blue, maybe. but you've been mentioned as a possible vice presidential candidate down the road. is that something you think about? and could you be president if you were tapped? >> i have not considered becoming vice president. and this is why, i am very, very committed to being the governor of new mexico. i enjoy it. i enjoy solving the problems of new mexico. for example, when i first became governor i had the largest structural deficit. in history of new mexico. and i looked people in the eye asking for their vote and said, i will balance this budget and i will not raise your taxes. personally. or in any small business. and i kept my word. we balanced it. and so we've had a surplus ever
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and it's our obligation. >> house speaker paul ryan on the house floor talking about the issue of refugees, a big issue here at the republican governors association annual meeting in las vegas. there are 31 states now that are pushing back against the white house plan to bring in some 10,000 syrian refugees over the next year. what about all of this and how it's playing out? we welcome in our panel from washington, steve hayes, senior writer for the weekly stand'd, mara liasson from the national public radio and steve hurt. >> the president, we saw his comments today, disgraceful comments. that he welcomes the fight over refugees and he thinks this is a winning argument for him. i suppose if you look back at his, at the alternative, the fact that we might be having a broader discussion about the massive failure of obama's policy on isis, this could be a good fight for him.
i think it's reasonable to have some kind of moratorium on refugees, given the nature of the threat, given the fact that we understand that isis is trying to ill infiltrate into the united states. given the fact that we have 1,000 investigations, isis-related investigations ongoing in the united states right now. it's very, it's a very least a good move to take a pause, to take a second look and to make sure that the procedures we have in place would actually work. >> mara, is there a disconnect between what the administration is saying on this and some of the intelligence officials, including the fbi director, who can see that there's a gap here in potential vetting for syrian refugees? >> yeah, it's hard to guarantee. it's impossible as intelligence officials will tell us, to guarantee 100% that someone will not commit a terrorist act if they're let into the united states. there is a lot of layers of vetting and it takes about 18 months to 24 months for any syrian refugee to be allowed into the united states.
however these are people who often don't have any documentation. as marco rubio is fond of saying, there's no one to call up in syria and find out about their back grounds. so it is different. on the other hand, the united states says it doesn't let anybody into the country if they're a terrorist threat. >> charlie? >> well, i think steve is exactly right. obviously the president sees this as an opportunity to win a political fight. but i would actually argue that this is the first time where the president is facing a shutdown showdown that he reilly might lose. the white house today announced that they are going to veto this bill and that the republicans are pushing in the house. it's not a drastic bill, not a bill that says we're going to not allow any refugees in. it's simply a bill that says that the director, the dni director, the fbi director and homeland security secretary would all check off on every
single refugee that comes into the country and assure that they are not an unreasonable risk. this is not, that's not a draconian sort of bill. and for the president to put all of his chiefs on that argument i think puts him if a real position where if there were showdown for the first time, we would have a showdown where republicans might, might have the upper hand. >> secretary of state john kerry, we talked about it on the panel last night had a statement about the attacks on "charlie hebdo" in france. that raised sighbrows today. he had to walk that back. take a listen to the two sound bites. >> there's something different about what happened from "charlie hebdo." there's a sort of particularized focus and perhaps even a legitimacy in terms of -- not legitimacy, but a rationale that you could attach yourself to somehow and say okay, they're
really angry. >> such atrocities can never be rationalized and we can never allow them to be rationalized. there's no excuse. they have to be stopped. >> steve? >> well look, the damage was done yesterday. i mean for him to think out loud and suggest that there might be legitimacy to the attacks on "charlie hebdo," because the terrorists saw legitimacy in them i think is a disgrace. the way that he corrected himself i think was really telling. you can see that he knew he stepped in it when he said the word legitimacy. so he corrected to the word rationale. well that doesn't solve the problem, either. it's every bit as bad, it's an offensive comment. it was a stupid comment. there's, it's no wonder that they're trying to walk it back today. >> more from the panel in washington and a look at 2016 after a quick break.
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you want to insult me, you can do it overseas, you can do it in turkey and foreign country. i would encourage you, mr. president, come back and insult me to my face. >> this is revealing of the fact that president obama doesn't understand the nature of the threat. i guess he is like hillary clintonful he thinks republicans are his enemies. >> he does not get it.
he doesn't get it. you hear the term radical islamic terrorism. he won't say it. >> america has had enough of empty words. of declarations attached from reality. with an administration no strategy no intention to win. >> he needs to get some sleep and shut up. >> g.o.p. candidates talking about the aftermath of the paris attacks. we have new fox polls out of new hampshire tonight, donald trump with a 14-point lead over his nearest competitor. you see a slippage in new hampshire in the latest poll for dr. ben carson who nationally is competing neck and neck with donald trump. there you see the rest of them. and then the question is whether this race is really influx. in new hampshire you may change your mind, 55%. certainly support a certain candidate 44%. we're back with the panel. mara, how is this playing
for republicans and where do you work this race goes? has it completely turned after the paris attacks? >> i don't think it's completely turned there were a lot of predictions that the paris attacks would be the tipping point that a the love of establishment figures have been waiting for meaning that the angry outside ares, trump and carson would fade and republican voters would kind of wake up and start looking for a more plausible commander and chief, someone who had foreign policy experience and was vetted and experienced. that hasn't happened. trump has gone up. trump gets really good marks on being tough enough to fight isis in these polls. and the only person who seems to have faded since the paris attacks is ben carson. so trump has done fine. you know, bombing the explicative deleted out of isis seems to be a pretty appealing message to a lot of republican base voters. so, in that sense this has followed the pattern of the republican race which is conventional wisdom has been wrong at every turn. >> charlie, what about that and state of the race? >> well, i think marah is
exactly right. this has been a good thing for donald trump. but the reason is because he does everything that the political playbook says you are not supposed to do. within, you know, within hours after the attack in paris donald trump came out and attacked the commander and chief of the united states attacked him for his policy and in very harsh terms. the next day he came out and he said that, you know, i'm sorry, but, you know, this was about gun control. and the severe gun control laws in paris didn't help these victims. he said all these things which are all outside the political playbook of either party but predominantly of republicans. republicans are terrified of doing this sort of thing. and i think it reveals why donald trump is doing so well in this race is because he is just -- people are sick and tired. they are fed up with all of it and he has gone where nobody else willing to go and he gets rewarded ham solely for it in the polls.
>> jeb bush gives a detailed tell prompter speech on defense policy and national security. does it turn anything around for the bush campaign, this issue? >> look, i thought substantively the speech was very good. i'm not sure it turns much around for the bush campaign. i agree with both charlie and marah unusually at the least this seems to be helping donald trump because people do want somebody who will stand up and say we should bomb the heck out of isis i do think that appeal may be afemoral. if you think about the commander and chief test and take stock of the seriousness of the challenge that we face, is it enough to have somebody who is bombastic and who may say the receipt things for campaign field for the short-term but really doesn't know anything at all about the subject matter involved? i think this will accrue to the advantage of people who know what they're talking about and that would be something like ted cruz, somebody like marco rubio, somebody with some experience on these issues. >> >> well, panel from
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people were lifted out of poverty. children started to learn. as president of the united states, i pledge to you that i will solve problems. announcer: right to rise usa is responsible for the content of this message. this is a fox news alert. a new isis threat to the united states aimed directly at the heart of new york city. a newly he released video showing bombs and the busy streets of popular times square. fox news chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge will have some brand new information for us on that. her live report will be coming up in moments. but, first, tom rogan, a terrorism expert, with the national review, joins me now on the phone. tom, good evening. >> good to be with you. thank you for having me on. >> you know, obviously this video has some footage in it that may have been shot some time ago. what do you read into this video and how serious is this threat? >> look, i think what it