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but also on the status of this third suspect, and what is going on in the house of the one suspect that they have been searching. the word has been used raiding for some time. sean hannity is here live, next, i'll be back at midnight, stay with us. and thanks, megyn, and welcome to "hannity." the fbi will be not rule out terrorism as a possible motive in today's deadly shooting rampage in san bernardino, california, which left 14 dead, 17 injured. tonight, we have dramatic new video of the gun battle between police and the suspects earlier tonight. watch this. >> something's going on. something's going on. there they go. they're after that guy. they're after that guy. guns. gunshots. gunshots. gunshots. [ sirens ]
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>> did you see that? >> shots. >> there were gunshots -- oh [ bleep ]. we better get down, bro. >> police say two of the suspects were killed in that shootout and have been identified. one man, one woman. and the third person was detained at the scene, but authorities have not said if this person was involved. adam housely obtained that video exclusively for fox news, he's live on the ground where the gun battle took place with the police, adam. >> reporter: yeah, sean, in fact the battle began behind me. david espinosa shot the video. it's grainy, but you can see what's going on. they have moved all of us back now significantly. maybe, oh, a quarter mile from where the actual suv is located. you can see the flashing lights there right now. they've been taking their time with the vehicle and that area because they were concerned of a explosive device possibly being on that location. we do know that they've been able to get a lot closer and i believe they've been able to get a lot more out of that truck. you're seeing the video now of
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what took place in between where i'm standing in the lights a moment ago. david shot that video. come out, the factory actually shut down for the day. people were going to go home because of the uncertainty that was in san bernardino throughout the midday and afternoon, about these shooters. no one knew where they were or what had happened here. and then as that was happening, they thought it was a police pulling over a car for speeding, that would have been fast for, and all the sudden, the back window shot out as you heard. then you hear about 100 yards later, more gunfire going back and forth between both unmarked police cars and regular police cars. and then, and the suspects as well. and then about 150 yards further is where it all culminated just past the stoplight where the suv came to rest and the female and male suspects were killed. and that is where the investigation continues. not long after that, we were very far away, you can see the truck, intersection, probably
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only 150 yards away ourselves when we all began to be moved back. we thought it was because they were expanding the crime scene and got the witnesses kept in. what was happening is there was a barricaded situation not far from here. just base clay block or two to the south of where that was located. and that was ongoing for some time as well. very tense situation, even here now. no one really knows if these three potential, the other person that was talked about being in custody, are these the only people involved? is that third person even involved? we obvious have a situation in redland ongoing. and you hear random police sirens around. i will tell you this, the police helicopters have gone down, that's something new in the last maybe half an hour. there've been up to three -- my count, even as recently as a half sure ago. we still hear random sirens around this side of town. we're on the eastern part of san bernardino which is roughly a mile and a half where where the murders took place, sean. i'll tell you this also, we got tipped off by one of the suspects that was killed was a
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female. we've also been tipped off of names. you've heard the names as well. i talked to federal law enforcement and local law enforcement involved with this case directly right now. the issue is, they're not getting any directive from washington or anywhere else. this is within their own agency. they know it's a sensitive situation in this country right now. they're trying to determine exactly the names as you might imagine, at least one, they believe, could be middle eastern, but part of the reason why they were holding back, sean, they wanted to get into the suv, ensure that those ids, or information that might be in there would help them secure what those names are. so that's why they're being dell date. at least the people i know involved in the case. and understandably why they're doing that. but they have one individual i spoke to, you know, has seen obviously the two dead suspects, and says obviously there are some concerns there. but, they cannot connect that dot yet, sean. >> the fbi spokesman was clear, they're not ruling out terrorism, now you're reporting that in fact one of the people involved, one of those shot and killed is middle eastern, so i'm
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sure that'll raise questions and some people's minds. why no description? >> the name -- go ahead. >> the key, yeah, sorry, sean, you were hitting the point right there. the key is the name, doesn't mean their middle eastern, it could be an american citizen with a middle eastern name. it's the name and the potentially again the look, unfortunately, i'm not saying that's what it is, but they have to take all that into account. you take into account if it's a young white man, if it's a man of middle eastern descent, whatever the person is and in this case, because of the delicate nature, because of the situation going on with isis, middle eastern terrorism, all that situation is happening. they have to be -- they have to make sure they get it right and get it right the first time. and that's why i'm told they're being so sensitive with this. but yes, one of the names they were originally given and what they believe, before they got into that suv, haven't talked to the person since they got into the suv was a middle eastern name. and the individual who is responding to the scene who saw the cell phone video from one of the other agents said, that one of the suspects looked middle
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eastern in face. but that doesn't mean that the person was, and he hadn't seen him in person. he was going off coming here to the scene. >> what do you know about the ongoing fbi raid at the home where they suspect these two people lived? >> reporter: well, one of our producers, dan gal low is out there right now, we heard an improvised explosion device, meaning a device done by authorities. it was planned, i should say. planned explosion. as if if they were destroying something. doesn't mean that was a bomb, a lot of times they'll blow up something appear to be such to save everybody the hassle to have to get near it. there's that going on right now. that's fluid as well. redland is not far from here. you have to believe if that just happened recently, that, to me, and to probably got into the suv and got more information out of it. one of the issues they were having sean, they felt there was more information inside. and they wanted to ensure the safety before their investigators got in. and were able to go through any personal art facts that might be
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in there. they saw some inside, that's one reason why they were being delicate with that. it was a purse, wallet, i don't know? they won't go into that kind of detail, but that's potentially what resulted in redland, that's helped them with that part of the investigation. sean, as i was told from one of the officers, same person told me earlier before they had this chase and before all of this went down, we have to go out there with the belief that we have three people with assault rifles that are wearing tactical gear. and that's what they had. at least in this case. at least of the two here. and so that same individual, you know, even though it looks like we might have these two and possibly a third contained, there still may be other folks along with them. we don't know yet, adam. and there's still a lot of investigation to do. and really, as you know sean, in these situations, that is the truth. is there a cell here? was it workplace violence that happened to be someone with a middle eastern name? there's a lot of variables to be taken into account and in this
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situation in the world, you have to be delicate with that. and that's what i think they're doing in this case. and i can understand why, especially considering they don't want to make a mistake. of course that'll come back with a lot of backlash and political stuff they don't want to deal with. they want to get it right the first time. >> adam housely, unanswered questions, we'll check in with adam throughout the night tonight. joining us now on the ground, also in san bernardino, california, jonathan hunt. can you tell us more in the fbi raid of this home? >> reporter: yeah, sean, the focus is on one particular property in redland. now that location, about five miles from the original shooting incident where those 14 people were gunned down and killed. another 17, at least injured. now what's going on in redland right now is that police and other law enforcement personnel moving very deliberately, very slowly, into that property. our producer was on the ground
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and sent us video of a robotic video, dan also reported hearing a detonation, that, his thought was that that sounded like they were blowing up something that they had found in or around that property. now the property as we understand it is connected to one of the two suspects who were shot and killed in that fierce gun battle with the police when they found and followed the dark suv that they believe the suspects were in. they were fired from that suv, cops fired back and as i said, the male and female suspects within that suv were both killed. now one of those, and we don't know which one he was or even if it was both of them, were connected to this residence in redland. that's why they went there. obviously you have heard the police chief talking all day about the possibility of booby traps, the possibility of pipe
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bombs, that's why they're moving carefully. one other point on the question of pipe bombs, sean, we had a news conference a short time ago with authorities here, and they said that a piece of pipe of some description was thrown from that suv at some point, but they said, and these are their words, it was not an explosive device. sean. >> all right, jonathan, thank you so much. we appreciate it. the fbi is not, as we said, ruling out terrorism as a motive for today's deadly attacks. joining us now from washington is katherine herridge. as more information comes in, more and more likely this investigation is moving into that area that this is a possible terror attack. >> based on the evidence so far, a u.s. government official recently told fox news that the central or prime assailant in this case is a u.s. citizen. they did not provide more detail on the suspect. now for the last three to four hours, we've been working on a name here at fox news, it's a
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foreign-sounding name, if you will. we were originally told that it had washed out, now what we understand is when they ran that name against the terror watch list, they did not have any positive hits, but at this hour, we're told that that may well be the name of one of the suspects. we're seeking a second source before we broadcast that name here at fox news. in washington, the way the evening has played out, is that the homeland security secretary, jeh johnson has been monitoring events, getting regular updates. same pattern, if you will, with president obama whose been getting regular updates from the white house counterterrorism advisor, lisa monaco, and handful of facts that have everyone's attention here. wearing of this assault-type clothing. the second is the use of assault weapons, rifles as well as handguns and the possible use of these improvised explode devices. all of this speaks to a certain level of premeditation.
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and then finally, as we heard at that news conference, the growing involvement of the fbi, one of our fbi contacts here in washington this evening was working to confirm if in fact the fbi was going to become the lead agency in this case. if that turns out to be true -- >> hey katherine, please forgive me. what we are seeing now is one of the assailants at the apartment, in which jonathan hunt was describing. you can see the robotic device going in, obviously the police saw something there that indicates that there might be some type of booby trap. some type of ied device, and out of caution, that is being sent in for the protection -- >> that's correct. >> prior to the investigation, but that is a live shot of that robotic piece of equipment going into that apartment. you can go back to your report, katherine. we now have learned two things, potentially a middle eastern-looking man, a foreign-sounding name that you're looking into. there have been initial reports
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that this could have been some type of workplace violence incident, somebody went out of a party angry, may have come back. that seems less likely now as more information's coming in as time goes on. >> well, as we heard at the news conference, that was one of the specific questions the sheriff confirmed that there had been some sort of disagreement or altercation at that community meeting. the individual had left, but it was not clear to them, despite earlier reporting, that this individual returned along with at least two others with their, with their weapons. just to go back to that apartment shot, if you will, what a standard procedure in this case is to use one of these robotics devices, if you will, to go in and try and determine whether there are explosives or it has been booby trapped. what we gathered from the earlier news conference, there was the use of some kind of explosive device with the suspects, so they have to assume
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the vehicle, the apartment, the addresses associated with these suspects may well contain other explosives or booby traps as well. the kind of surveillance, if you will, or situational awareness, the fbi can have on that property goes well beyond the robot that you're seeing right there. once the bureau makes a decision to focus on an address, they essentially can get it inside what i would call this sort of electronic box. and what i mean by that is that they will be accessing the phone system, the wi-fi system, any kind of security camera system, putting their own probes into that location to get a better, as i said situational awareness of what is inside that apartment building. just a final point, the fbi and local police have a lot more information then they're making public, you heard that from adam and also from jonathan hunt. i know that one of the things that's happening at this hour is
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that the fbi has asked their counterterrorism contacts to start taking, at least one of the names, and doing what they call an electronic scrub. that means that they look at social media, they look at phone records, they look at anything that speaks to a digital footprint for this individual to understand who their network of associates are as well as their activities leading up to today's events. sop we have the very visible part of the investigation that you can see now, this going, the raid of this apartment, the srge of the suv, then we have this sort of unseen chapter to the investigation as well. >> all right, katherine herridge, thanks so much. we are getting more information. we are now told that our producers, our reporters on the ground, outside of that apartment complex are now being told to stand back, that they view this as a direct threat, the police have detected that something is inside of that apartment where you see that robotic -- well i guess robot
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going in there to find out whatever that is. but the police apparently suspect that there might be some type of booby trap, ied device inside that apartment and asked everybody in the area to now move back. we're going to continue to watch this live as it unfolds. joining us now with reaction, former lapd detective, mark furman, bo deedle, eric guster, manny gomez, mark, you, you watched the robotics, you see at the place where the shooting took place, where the two suspects were killed, mark, and you see all of these tactical vehicles that have been brought in. i have checked in with my law enforcement sources in los angeles, fbi, all hands on deck is what i'm hearing. this seems to be bigger than what we are so far being told, probably out of an abundance of caution, what is your read on it? >> well, we saw the press conference, sean, fbi says we're not ruling out terrorism. which is fbi words that they're
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ruling in terrorism. and that means that they'd rather be safe than sorry. so it's a complete alert for all law enforcement agency, adjacent to san bernardino county. all assets of special units is being pulled to san bernardino county and working with multiple teams. you have investigative teams that are working at that homicide location. you have people that are assigning to the victims that can talk. they're trying to glean any information they can. they're showing pictures of the suspects to the people at the scene. people at the hospital, anybody that can talk, they're trying to see the connection there. they're trying to see if they can try to connect up any other suspects or what we now know as a cell.
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>> they're being very cautious. they obviously know more than -- >> a lot more. a lot more than they're telling. they're going to be 1,000% sure as to the information they let out. and they're also going to vet it through their chain of command to see what is going to be the flavor of the political correctness of what they let out. one of the things i noticed, bo, this was so well-prepared. they had their tactical dwois, they had their guns, weapons, they went in according to eyewitnesss, they fired straight for 30 seconds, they dropped a clip, reloaded, shot again. they got out, they had an escape vehicle, but yet they stayed in the area. they knew -- they stayed in the same vehicle that was reported for a couple of hours. literally just a couple miles from where the shooting took place. so the question i have in my mind is, why would they stay so
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close, it tells me when they could have gotten away they're willing to go down with the cause. >> and the other thing is that it's just very, it's a mystery there that there was an argument, and it has been -- >> at the party. >> at the party, where a guy stormed out there. was there something that was said that heated this guy up where he ran back and got his friend, one female, and one other guy and come back and do what they wanted to do? look, it may turn out to be that there middle east sountding name, we don't know, the fact that they're a cell or anything like that. that'll all be put together. >> we don't know the answer, nobody can say definitively, the fbi is telling us that they're not ruling out terrorism. but after paris -- >> look at the motive. the motive -- why did they go to the second floor, going into that room and shoot those people? why didn't they blast people on the way up? >> 670 people work in the building. >> you can have got a lot more body count -- >> you could have if they wanted. >> and fully armed there.
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what i'm saying is they went into that room for a specific reason. when we find out the motive, then again on the other side, they could have been praying to ayala and that part of their life. who knows. >> could be domestic terrorism. >> right. let me go to knbc in los angeles, actually spoke to a witness, jose rocha who captured part of the police chase and the gunfire when the two suspects were killed. watch this. >> [ bleep ]. gunshots, [ bleep ]. those are gunshots! >> oh yeah. >> those are gunshots. >> holy [ bleep ]. >> oh [ bleep ]. what the [ bleep ]? >> look, gunfire right now. oh! they got him right there. >> really, really scary, and it reminds us how law enforcement puts their lives on the line for us. what's your take on all of this from your perspective? >> i thought it was a hit or direct target. they went into a specific room,
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shot specific people, and without blasting the entire campus of this corporation. now if they -- if the lapd and fbi find booby traps, that would totally change my viewpoint of this. >> eric, i've got to interrupt you, there's breaking news from adam housely who has information on the suspect's name. adam, what can you tell us? >> reporter: yes, sean, a bunch of information. just got off the phone with law enforcement sources. they're telling me several things, they believe that this is a two-person crime. they're dialing it back from a third person. they're not saying that others aren't involved, but they say with the interviews that's been taking place in some of the early investigative processes they're thinking it was a two-person crime and both people would be in the suv. i'm told that the suv while they've gotten closer to it and get stuff out, it's not completely cleared. you see the flashing lights. also, we're now being told -- we've been told a name, i have for four hours. i know its been circulating at fox and other agencies that the
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l.a. times is they have it confirmed. i have two law enforcement sources saying the same thing. he's an american citizen is one of the names. sy syedfaruq. i'm told both names are obviously not your typical american name, doesn't mean that it was a terrorist attack or anything like that at all. because it's a middle eastern name and the other one is also, quote, a weird name, in the sense that it's not a common name. that that's why they're being very delicate here. is this workplace violence? terrorism? they want to make sure they get it right. that's why they've been delicate. also the name, syad, had another name associated with it. a lot of times, names that are immigrant names will have two or three other names, even in hispanic population, two or three last names.
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that's why that was all becoming a bit difficult for them to talk to us about and at the same time, for us to report, sean. l.a. times is saying they have it confirmed and i have two law enforcement sources that said that that's the name they are going with as well. so, that again, makes this a much more interesting situation. they've dialled it back to wo, given us a name, the new york daily times has given us a name. i'll hang it on them. the other's individual name is a weird name, meaning not a common name -- >> have you heard that name? it's very difficult to glean anything exactly from a name. but they're saying it's similar? >> reporter: yeah, and that's part of the problem, sean, it could be armenian, it could be, you know, arabic, some of the names are kind of right there on the fringe. and that's what this name is. i'm not going to stay obviously because i'm not close to having that confirmed. first one, l.a. times is confirming it, news agencies are confirming, when i mentioned to sources that i've been speaking to, just hung up with, they
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believe two suspects. they confirmed it as well. that doesn't mean that there's not a bigger picture here, sean. doesn't mean there are more suspects or other people they worked with. that part, they're taking very, very seriously. hearing helicopters periodically, we know about the situations where the crew's been told to look back. problems there, and they're worried about problems here down the street. and that will continue i'm told for some time because again, security is number one for them, but trying to preserve as much evidence as they can as this investigation -- >> i can answer this by the way. >> reporter: a lot of concern, fbi came out here early on, and came out here in a large force. >> adam, i just got this tweet, the washington times is tweeting out that syed farook, san bernardino suspect confirmed by his father as reported by the washington time as a devoutly religious muslim. that now raises once again the possibility that this was -- >> reporter: raising it again. >> terrorist attack in the world we're living in today. >> reporter: and sean, we've
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been told he worked nearby. and maybe medical industry of some sort of technician or something. i didn't get the exact detail on that, because i wanted to get to you. i do know that care, obviously controversial council relations is having a press conference in anaheim about an hour from here with a member of one of the suspect's family is going to be there. that's going to be interesting to see how that's painted or played out. but obviously this is evolving very quickly this evening, sean. a lot of concern as you might imagine amongst law enforcement about are these two folks that just acted alone, are they people that were connected to other people? was it terrorism? was it workplace violence? obviously this was planned. they guaranteed that from the beginning -- >> you have to wonder -- adam, you know, one of the things i didn't quite understand how somebody, if it was workplace, and the police have left that open as a possibility. we heard the fbi director, we heard others tonight -- >> reporter: they have to though. >> of course. they didn't rule out terrorism and very clear that there was
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certain things that indicated possibly it could be, but what never made sense is the idea that somebody would leave a party angry, get dressed up, get dressed up in tactical gear and be ready to go. i wasn't sure if i believed that from the twinning. >> reporter: and that's one of the loose ends they have. it wasn't cut and dry. if he had a problem there and all the sudden started shooting, it would make it easier to say workplace violence. part of the problem as well is you have the situation of the names where they had a couple of different last names associated or thought might be associated. there were reports there were three suspects. a lot of things they had. the number one priority is to secure and ensure security and safety. before the shootout happened, i mean within 20 minutes of the shootout happening, before i was tipped off that there was a chase and we bolted out here in our car. i was told by law enforcement that we're going on a theory. we have three people, fully armored with semiautomatic rifles, and looking to kill. and they had to go on that
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premise. now it looks like there were two people obviously looking to kill. you saw the video, right there, sean, 150 yards away, unmarked car leaves. that's where the back window was shot out? police officer or by the individuals inside? we don't know, but it was shotout, and then 100 yards past that, the first real barrage of gunfire. 150 yards is where it ended. that's where the lights are right now and they're dealing with the suv. they think there's a possible device still inside. they haven't been able to truly get all the way inside -- >> the one thing i think we can -- >> reporter: there's a lot of things going on. safety and security being one, sean. and figuring out the connections to terrorism if there are any. >> the one thing we can determine is when my fbi source out in los angeles, which is the second largest bureau in the country, second to new york, confirmed to me that it's all hands on deck. and it's all hands on deck for all law enforcement. and the way, hours later, they're still treating that vehicle and the robotic device going into the the home of one of the suspects that was killed, and the slow release of the name
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and identity and ethnicity of the background, i don't think there's any doubt from an outsiders perspective that the fbi is taking, what they said very seriously, that it is a potential terrorist attack. >> reporter: absolutely. and you know, an individual in the law enforcement community in d.c. that has a lot of stuff on the counterterrorism side of things messaged me that the last name that's being reported by the l.a. times and by the father's being true, and i was told by law enforcement, it has an either egyptian or eastern, libyan normally denomination. it's triable, they're very easy to connect names or easier to connect names in other parts of the world in some respects. that's where that might go, but we don't know, sean. there's so much still to do here. number one thing again is security and safety. then it's, you know, and that includes, other people involved here? did someone help them? other people planning on doing? is there a situation where there's other people waiting. that's the situation they have to ensure first as they try to
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clear this scene and the one in redland. and then, you know, as part of that of course, they look at the terrorism angle, but, you know, safety and security is going to be number one always. and you know that. and the fbi did come out here with a massive contingent. we left the office within minutes, and we were surprisingly there was no traffic in l.a., that never happens. and we're on our way out here on 10 freeway, we were doing pretty good clip, and here comes the fbi guys, i know their vehicles, they come flying by me on the shoulder. on the inside, and they were moving. and -- >> hey adam -- i've got a little more -- i just told you what the washington times reported, devoutly religious, now the new york daily news is reporting that the father, whom they didn't name, confirmed in an interview that his son inspected restaurants, hotels for health violations, and was married with a child. now from what i understand, at the christmas party, that was at the center, that now that maybe gives you more indication that type of workplace violence event.
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hang on, adam, stay right there. >> i think it's very important that we look at one thing. first, they lived right nearby. second, was what jumps out? everyone said they masks, why would they have masks so they can't be identified. that means people in that building knew who they were, and they had to put masks so they wouldn't be identified. >> bank robbers would do it too. my feelings are because his name is egyptian, that's an egyptian last name. bhekd spoifrt of muslims -- >> the father also identified his son, farook as very, very religious. go to work, come back, go to pray, come back, he's muslim. that's a direct quote. >> that doesn't indicate it's terrorism though. and we can't make that strechl. >> i'm not saying that. >> hang on, jump in, adam, go ahead. >> reporter: sorry, and that's a good point. and that's what i think needs to be stressed here.
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how come you're not calling it terrorism. that's what we're all discussing right here. there's a lot of variables and sensitivities here. and right now for law enforcement, they could care less about that. what they care about is ensuring that they get these people and that situation cleared behind it and there's no other media -- >> totally agree. we don't know. and we'll know more, certainly the fbi, and law enforcement, as a whole, are treating this as the worst possible scenario that this could be an act of terror and all hands on deck is an indication of that. i have some numbers to share with our audience, adam, if you stay right there. when this whole syrian refugee debate came up, remember, there were 1,000 ongoing probes of isis within america. we have a new study that actually came out today, george washington university shows u.s. authorities have made 71 isis-related arrests since march of 2014. 56 of them, this year. 71 people have been arrested nationwide for the alleged connections to isis, 13 people arrested in new york alone.
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11 people in minnesota alone. and all told americans now, according to to the study report, george washington university, 250 americans that tried to travel successfully to reach syria or iraq to join isis. so when you add the thousand, with the 250 in the country, you know, we should not be surprised. this, of course, should be top of mind for law enforcement, we're not making judgments, but it would be prudent and frankly, it would be dereliction of duty not to, right? >> agree. in fact the director of the fbi reported to congress that the fbi and local law enforcement cannot cover all of these potential suspects. they have thousands of people there. >> that's scary, right? >> it is scary. when you have the tough banal in the united states basically telling congress and the u.s., we can't cover them all. we don't have the resources. so could this be somebody that fell through the cracks? sure, but i think the fact that we're even here discussing this
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situation on the heels of what happened in paris, is very interesting indeed. 20 years ago, this would have been just horrific murder, and we wouldn't have this panel here. today, on the heels of paris and other attacks, and let's face it, this is an epidemic here in the u.s. -- >> let me go back to the fbi spokesman. he said, we will go where the evidence takes us, as it relates to terror. he was very, very clear about that. and he mentioned a few potential things were out there that are making them stay on that course. as well as the workplace violence course. >> right. but workplace violence is what makes sense in this one, sean. >> i disagree with you. >> people say oh they went home, it doesn't take long to go home, get your gun and come back. >> wait a minute, eric, you're saying they went home, incident at the party. they went home, put on tactical gear, that was all prepared and laid out, that apparently might have been even booby trapped their house and had some type of
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explosive devices, then loaded, long rifles, probably an ar, loaded pistols, then they went back, and then they left, and then they still stayed in the nabtd? >> if the house is booby trapped, absolutely not. >> that might be a problem for your theory. >> that would be. as far as going home, putting your clothes and coming back, that doesn't take time. just like with me coming to fox news when there's breaking news, i can get from brooklyn, i can be working out, put on my suit, get here from brooklyn -- >> you're superman. le met go back to mark. new information since i last spoke to you, and now the name that has been released in this particular case, what do you make of the investigation in the police resources going into this? >> well sean, you know, i've been listening, quite intently on really an effort to be more delicate with a known suspect that shot it out with the police and killed 14 people, then we
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are the 14 people that are dead. i think being delicate about possible terrorism in this country and possible terrorists and people that don't belong here is exactly how we got here. and whether this is terrorism or not, and whether they went to the party and came back home and got all dressed up and then came back is almost irrelevant. we know the two people that did. we know that they went there. we know one is a middle eastern, of middle eastern descent, highly devout. whether he came back there or somebody else did just to make sure that certain people were there, they targeted the location, it's an act of terrorism if they never find a scrap of paper or computer entry or any kind of radicalization. it's terrorism. it's terrorizing a community for no reason whatsoever. it's terrorism. >> well said. all right. we have new information. we go back to adam housely on the ground for us tonight. adam, what's the new information? >> reporter: yeah, sean, touch on what you said a second ago.
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i'm glad you mentioned this, one of the problems law enforcement was having with the whole making this workplace violence and it could be is a situation they had the tactical gear. and that's what really throws a curve ball for them. off of that, one of our producers heard an interview with the neighbor, a neighbor over there in redland who said that she was alarmed because the new people that moved in next door had been receiving packages and a lot of package deliveries and working late in the night in the garage. so it had her alarmed because that is not something that would normally took place there. so obviously that is playing into this. we also can't forget one thing, sean, there's 14 people that lost their lives tonight. as we look at the terrorism angle on this, the potential of that happening, we have those families who've lost 14 loved ones and the update that the medical center, loma linda hospital, well known for what they do in the medical field, five total are there. two are critical. so, as you know, tonight, as this investigation goes forward and law enforcement trying to ensure the safety and security of this community, there are
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families that have lost loved ones and many others. >> we can't forget them. you know, i want to go back. go back to what the neighbor was saying, yes, families are in thoughts and prayers and it's unimagine that believe 14 people died and their families are mourning tonight and 17 other people and their families are praying for their safety and their sursurvival. let's go back to the neighbor and what they saw late at night and the packages being delivered, and that made them suspicious. would it go late into the night? multiple people in that garage? you know, some people might go into the garage and tinker on their cars, but, maybe now knowing what we know happened, you have to suspect maybe something was going on. >> reporter: yeah. and i'll give you the exact quote what was said, it was being said to a radio reporter, local radio reporter, 1070, a radio station near los angeles, respected -- >> kmx. >> reporter: yes, this is the quote, it said, three to four middle easterners had recently moved into the apartment of interest, which is the one next door in redland in the past
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couple of weeks. she was alarmed because they were getting a lot of package deliveries and working late in the night in the garage. that came from the neighbor next door. again, lends you to believe that there's something suspicious going on here. that's the one problem law enforcement's had from the beginning on this, you know, workplace violent, you don't see someone get someone up, mount up to so to speak and put on tactical gear like that and come back with that kind of weaponry. that just doesn't what usually happens, i'm told by law enforcement, when you have workplace violence situations. >> doesn't make any sense. >> reporter: it's delicate situation. one of several reasons why. >> you're talking about three to four middle eastern men in a place in the garage late at night, they had just moved in. suspicions of the neighbor. again, this is an unfolding story. we can't jump to conclusions, but it certainly is getting, beginning to put the pieces of the puzzle together. now, stay right there, adam, great reporting tonight. we'll get back to you in a
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second. we just got unbelievable tape into fox news. it's an interview on kttv, outside of the suspect's home, in redland's, california, it was interrupted by a large bang. listen to this. >> they're talking like it's possible tift terrorists attacks. >> oh my god. >> and now there's booms? >> all right, joining us now with the latest information about the suspect's home that is being searched. you see the robotic device going into that home subpoena our own jonathan hunt. did you hear that boom? >> reporter: our producer dan gallow was on the scene, he heard that boom. it sounded to him like the controlled explosion of something. something suspicious being carried out by law enforcement personnel on the scene. he also was the one who shot that video of the robotic machine heading towards the front door of that property. just going back to your discussion, sean, on the
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theories that have been put forward by the fbi, terrorism may be one of them, workplace violence may be another. those two are not mutually exclus uf. let me put this to you. you possibly have somebody who has planned to carry out some kind of terror attack. that person is then at a gathering, apparently with his colleagues because we now know this one person named was an environmental health inspector, health workers were holding this party where the shooting took place today. say that person feels that he is slighted at that gathering, then he leaves. then he goes and gets his accomplice and says, never mind what we were planning, let's do this now. the two theories are not necessarily mutually exclusive. that is not to say that is what happened. we do not know the details yet. we will be told them. we will find them out via officials eventually. but those two theories, not mutually exclusive, sean.
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>> i certainly can see and anything is a possibility at this point. the idea that somebody got angry, happened to run home, get their tactical gear, load their weapons and come back that quickly is, to me is a little bit of a stretch. >> reporter: sean, the point being sean that that person could be thinking that, could have -- >> 100%. but they were ready for an attack. >> reporter: ready to go. >> bo agrees with you too. >> i like that theory very much. >> let me ask this question, what do you know about the robotic device going in? now usually that is done in cases where the police believe, maybe they were looking into the apartment building, but where they believe that there might be some type of explosive device, or some type of ied or some type of booby trap. do you believe that that was an actual trap that was set off, something that was left behind to injure and hurt or kill police? >> reporter: officials have not told us that at this the point,
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sean. it is quite possible that that was the case, but clearly, they are on a very high alert here. clearly, they know that these two attackers who shot, that already shot dead 14 people were heavily armed. clearly they were suspicious that they might have some sort of booby trap in that property and in the vehicle where they had the hat. remember, that intense shootout with the two suspects earlier. so the police and other law enforcement who are on the scene there are obviously moving with the utmost caution. and if they see any kind of package, any kind of item that they are suspicious about, they're going to send in the robotic machinery first. they're not going to take any risks with their own personnel, sean. >> all right, jonathan, thank you, and stay there. we are getting some new information that the group c.a.r.e., council on islamic relations, they were co-conspiracies in the texas case. they will hold a press conference in about 45 minutes. it's expected that they will
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have one of the family members, i assume of syed farook, considering that's the only name made public. the father was quoted as of tonight. let me turn to you bo deedle. as you get all of this new information and you hear what jonathan is saying. you hear the package and boom. >> i like the theory. they were possibly terrorists in the planning. something came down -- >> set him off. >> something was said to him, you towelhead, excuse my expression, something was said in the respect, it was negative, and he ran home, got his accomplice and came back. he could have said something negative -- >> some time of epithet. and out of anger that would have set off what was in the planning already. >> in the planning already. that could very possible. >> speculation. we don't know. i see as this is unfolding more and more, it's certainly apparent to me, and you know the fbi tactics, it appears they are
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treating this as a terror attack. agreed. >> it seems to me that if they knew that it wasn't, they would have already put that out. and quelled everybody's concerns. >> are they too cautious though? they knew the name for a long time. they didn't release it. are they too cautious? i heard this name hours ago tonight. are they too cautious, won't give any description of those that are deceased? >> they are being cautious. >> what is the caution about? >> right, totally. the sfib pc. >> the fbi answers to a higher calling, and the truth of the matter is, this could be a politically charged incident if it turns out to be an isis cell. and they want to be absolutely sure -- >> but the fbi has been very clear. i have to give credit to these guys, there's 1,000 probes ongoing right now in the united states, that's why i have been so outspoken and passionate, if we know that a certain percentage of syrian refugees have isis sympathies and the
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national director of intelligence, james clapper and james koemy who everybody respects, the fbi director and our assistant fbi director and the general in charge of tactics are all saying that isis will infull trait the syrian refugee community, why would we risk the lives of americans? why would we take a chance like that? >> on top of that, i believe that even beyond that, even if they don't infiltrate. even if we're that good at disearn, which is an isis shiezer or isn't, we're basically importing the next wave of sympathizers, they will billion radicalized -- >> if that robot set off a bomb, all bets are off. >> 100%. >> agree. >> the thing, we're talking about 10,000 fbi agents. when i was on the police department many years ago, they used to dep pewtize new york city cops as u.s. marshals to support the fbi. they have hundreds of thousands,
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well, cops across the dharnt can be deputized and work with the fbi and have their surveillance teams. they should be utilizing all the police departments and start to get candidates in there to be sworn in as u.s. marshals along with the fbi to support the fbi. >> from the earliest moments, let me go back to mark ferman, my law enforcement resources and my friends out in los angeles, they were telling me from the get-go that all hand were on deck. get get-go, everybody was on board. bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, everybody with a badge and a gun was called into this situation, mark. >> well, what they did is they established a tactical alert probably in four or five of the southern california counties. and that means that everybody comes to work, the lower levels have to maintain the patrol and the security of the city. and all the upper echelon detectives and special tactical
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units end up going to san bernardino or other locations where there might be a threat. i'd like to try to understand why we have to be so sensitive with known suspects, known names, known shootouts, known murderers. and this is the problem. when you make political correctness ahead of justice, you're not going to get justice. >> yeah. >> it's just not going to happen. >> and listen, the name, i first heard the name, syed farook hours ago today. i heard it during my radio show, four and a half hours ago. that name was passed on to me. so nay knew more and those are a very important question, why are they so slow and giving the public the information and they don't want people to rush to judgment in this case.
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the group c.a.r.e., who is going to release a presser and the greater los angeles office of the council on american islamic relations, of southern california will hold a press conference with leaders of the muslim community to today's deadly shooting spree in san bernardino and offer condolences to loved ones. which i can understand. i don't think people blame all muslims. i think there are people that blame radical islamists, and this is the distinction, and this president can't even utter those words, eric, not to get too political. >> some people cannot distinguish the difference. some people -- but some people just assume all muslims are bad. that's why we have to be careful with trying to put names out there and trying to -- >> four or five hours to put out a name. we'll take a break, come back, and when we come back, we'll have the latest information out of san bernardino. not only awaiting the c.a.r.e. press conference, hannity will go until midnight tonight on the fox news channel. full coverage of all the events
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>> i'm trying to understand exactly what you said there, i thought you said they were not identified, but yet the name was released. >> what they're saying to me is that the bodies have not been identified. they're saying that this name, syed farook isname, syed farook is separate from the individuals. >> we don't know the name of the female? >> no. i was not told that. >> we're told that that, too, was not a regular-sounding name? >> i don't have any sort of visibility on the names of the two dead suspects. what i do know is that sy syed farook is a name in play, described as a strong lead and
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possible suspect, someone involved. and then, i was told the two dead suspects have not been identified by name. if you put that together it would not seem that name linked to those suspects. >> appreciate it. thank you. mark furman, i understand you feel not releasing the name was a big mistake because valuable time was lost? >> well, valuable time was lost. one you put the name out, you have everybody listening if this person was in the society and working and living and going to school or whatever he was doing. then, people would know him and then, you can place him. you can find out where he was going and this is turned quicker in what they found out. possibly might have got out and
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a shootout into police. >> we're told during press conference this did mean they'd discover these two people, mark? >> i'm listening to catherine and two people in the car are deceased and haven't been identified yet, we have a named suspect. is that the named suspect in the conference that left the conference? and these two people in the car? or the people that went in and did the shooting? do we have another suspect loose? do we have four people, is the named suspect loose? i'm a little confused. >> we did hear from adam housley. they believe this was a two-suspect crime. now, they additionally, when they they talk about a third person caught running away. and that has been detained but we've not been told officially. there is a press conference coming up momentarily. we expect more information when
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that happens. >> we got information about the guy supposedly working with the health department or something. the father said he's a devout muslim and all that. it would stand to reason the cops have him identified. the father saying that that is his son, is there a possibility this is his wife, the female? where is the wife? he's supposedly married? >> then, we go back to, according to adam housley talking about the one neighbor that was worried about all of the packages being delivered to the house where we see that robot going in, live, and we have had heard the explosion late night activity to the garage. these are two new people moving into the neighborhood. lots of packages and activity in the garage that made the neighbors suspicious. >> when you see something, say something. if they're doing something
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sinister, when people are moving in, they're going to get packages. when i moved into brooklyn, i got packages every other day with furniture. nobody said there were assault rifles. you can't make that assumption, bo. >> not giving out information, they knew where he lived. >> i think what mark is saying is a valid point. in other words if in fact it was a public tip that led to the discovery of the two people, he makes a point if they knew the name earlier they could have gotten more public assistance. there is a level of political correctness. we don't want to make a mistake either and jump the gun. it's a fine liner, razor's edge. >> fbi and police department don't want to release all of the information because they may be
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searching and on their trail. they have to be careful with what they release, especially if they know who it is. >> we'll have the latest on the san bernardino shooting and the investigation and details as the next hour of "hannity" starts right here, right now. >> this is a fox news alert and we're waiting a press conference from law enforcement about the latest developments into the investigation of the deadly san bernardino shooting that killed 14 and injured 17. l.a. times and ap identified one of the suspects as syed farook. our own adam housley is on the ground live in california tonight. as he's been all night, with the latest. adam? >> reporter: sean, here is why this has been so difficult for law enforcement. i want to give you an account of what i was given. given to me close to this case saying that i don't think they went to a

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