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the suspects house in san bernardino. you do not want to miss that. that continues on "happening now." that starts right now.
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as you walk in, can you see there are holes right here. there is holes in the walls. and keep going. we know that farook, his wife believed, his baby and his mother lived here for at least a year. i'm going this way. can you see there are pampers for the 6-month-old baby, his baby, left with the grandmother when malik and farook went on their shooting rampage. as we keep coming through here, scott, come over here. >> i just want to mention to our viewers, just for a second, if we could, i want to explain to our viewers quickly. let me just jump in here guys, in the control room, because the shot is getting a little bit blurry.
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i want our viewers to understand why there are so many cameras in there. we need to explain what's happening. so the landlord came, opened the door for news media to come in. at that moment, the news media was allowed in. you see other reporters and other cameras inside at this time. that's why there are so many people suddenly inside. will will give us an idea of what is happening with a live shot, i believe, is this what we are seeing live now guys? >> so -- okay. i'm getting a couple of feeds from a couple of directions. we're going to try to figure that out. >> on the left side there, there is play back on the right side of the skreep of what happened earlier of when the media first went in. >> jenna and jon, can you hear me? >> yes, go ahead, will. >> so we're inside the apartment right now. you're looking in the kitchen. it looks like any other kitchen i've walked through. as they have dishes, silverware all over the place. in fact, over here, on the
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washer and dryer, you can see they left some pita bread. things you would see in just about any other apartment. i asked the owner if he was surprised by this. he said he was shocked. he said he did not know them from well but she seemed like a normal family. and he found out like everybody else by watching the news that this family was involved in this murderous rampage. he said he was quite shocked. can't believe it. we will keep walking over here. the kitchen, quite messy. hard to know if it was like this before the fbi came in. once again, this is how they today come in, through the window. they couldn't come through the front door because they were worried about booby traps and pipe bombs. they found 12 in here, as i mentioned. it is called an ied factory because there were so many. they had to come through the window to make sure they were safe. you can see they had basic household appliances, goods all
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over the place. they have baby food for their 6-month-old baby. it's really just from seeing here, the place doesn't have a whole l that would indicate to you any kind of suspicion that they would go on this shooting spree. but there was several fbi receipts in the living room. on the receipts that i saw, they listed a number of weapons. magazines, listed ammunition. those are the things taken out of here. over here, this is what is left of the front door. you can see just kind of split in half once the fbi was able to come through. this is the bathroom. i haven't seen this yet myself. looks like a normal bathroom. let's go upstairs real quick. you guys are seeing this live just as quickly as we are. we haven't been up here yet. i hope the signal doesn't break up. but as you can see, just media
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from all over the world just within the past couple minutes have been let in here. again, this is the farook apartment. this is where farook, his wife, mal malik, their 6-month-old baby and their grandmother lived. the owner came up here. he actually took the plywood off of the front door with a screw driver and got inside and again just said that he is just completely shocked by this. not exactly sure what he is going to do with this apartment next. you can see just how crowded and how crazy this is right now. >> will, if you can hear us, we just have a quick question. >> reporter: yeah, go ahead, jenna. >> why is law enforcement comfortable with letting so much media inside the apartment right now? >> reporter: you are breaking up here. >> we're going to try to -- as our viewers can see, you see live with us, it is very chaotic scene indeed.
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because this is the first time inside the apartment of what now appears to be the terrorists that committed this attack in san bernardino this week. for all intents and purposes, and you are seeing taped video you have on the right side of your screen and perhaps we can take that full while will is working through the crowd a little bit there because that shot is breaking up. but from what we can see jon, it is interesting, a few different pictures of what this place was. of course described as a become factory, for example. but what it looks like right now is that it is a normal residence where a family lived and so we're not obviously seeing the garage. where some of this apparent bomb making took place. from what it looks like right now, pretty much a normal family home. >> that's apparently why the suspects were so hard to pick out. because their life appeared to be so very american. the president's spokesman is speaking right now in the west
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wing of the white house. we will take you there as he is asked questions about what happened in california. >> we have more effectively fused our law enforcement, military and intelligence capabilities to make sure that information coming in, properly shared with relevant authorities and action could be taken to secure the homeland. the other thing that we do was important for us to do was to strengthen the coordination between federal law enforcement and military intelligence authorities. and local law enforcement. these first responders, on the front lines of keeping communities across the country safe. and we have strengthened those relationships and there are hundreds of millions of dollars a year provided by the federal government to local communities all across the country to make the communities safer and more resilient and effective at preventing these kinds of actions from taking place. a lot of effort as we discussed at some length yesterday, been
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invested in countering violent extremism and making sure that we have a robust effort particularly jn on-line to counter what we see around the country and around the world. i think we have acknowledged that while we made progress in countering that message that there is more to be done to make those efforts more effective and that is top priority. and in a variety of ways we have actually seen the important results to this work. that can be quantified by the aggressive efforts of law enforcement to arrest people who have stated an intention to travel to syria for example it fight along side isil. we have also seen first responders act effectively to save lives and to respond to terrible incidents when they do occur. i think the situation in boston is a good example. that took place where we saw first responders work quickly to save the lives of people who
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were badly injuries in that attack and over the course of a few days bring to justice those who are responsible for carrying out that attack. and the response that we saw from the citizens of boston was absolutely inspiring. this appeal to the notion of being boston strong and that just days after this terrible attack was carried out at the finish line of the boston marathon, tens of thousands of bostonians turned out at fenway park for a baseball game. that's the kind of response and spirit and patriotism that the american people have shown in the face of this threat. and the president continues to be confident that while the u.s. government is vigilant in doing what's necessary all that's necessary, all that's possible to protect the american people, that the american people can continue on with their lives, with the sense of confidence about the future. april?
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>> in the midst of the efforts to try to find out who is radicalized and what have you, particularly after paris and after what just happened in california, is there a concern and what level of concern is there for the fact that some of these possible suspects have gone underground because of the magnitude of the situation and the fact that they know the fbi is conducting raids and there are those who sympathize with those here in the country. >> well, again, for updates on the investigation and any raids that may or may not be conducted by the fbi -- >> let me ask you this so you can understand what i'm saying. >> okay. maybe i didn't. >> and i'm not necessarily talking about the raid. what is the level of concern -- [ inaudible ] when it comes to finding those who are sympathizing with terrorists or sympathizing with isis who would possibly want to conduct something here and
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especially what is the concern of finding them when it's gone so public with paris and attempting to find paris and in this country and what happened in california. >> again, i don't want to talk about the situation in california because there is still an ongoing situation to determine exactly what transpired and what motivated those individuals to take the terrible indefensible violent action that they took. >> let me just say that our president and national security officials have talked about how challenging it is it to to disrupt, particularly lone wolf attacks. that is work that has drawn the intense focus of law enforcement both at state and federal level. something that the intelligence community is focused on as well.
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but if you take a look at the track record and importantly the work done by the fbi and department of justice, their record of disrupting these kinds of plans before they're carried out, is good. and should give the american people confidence and the capabilities that we have and the resources that are used to confront this threat. all right? joe? >> there's a lot of information on the record. travel from saudi to the united states, one of these individuals from pakistan. there is an amassing of weapons that we know about, bombs. are we at the point where the administration is ready to if not concede, become concerned about the possibility of a major
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intelligence failure on these individuals americans, that they should feel confident that we are able to defend ourselves, especially during the holiday season given what's happened here? >> joe, the american people can continue to be confident that u.s. government, that our law enforcement professionals, that our military professionals, those charged with protecting the homeland, take serious the responsibilities they have, they are keenly aware of the threat we face. that all of the government
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approach taken to protect the homeland, protect the american people and protecting our interest both in this country and around the world. >> what can you tell us about, if anything, the vetting process for malik, the wife, it does appear she was vetted by the government to some extent before she traveled here. >> well, joe, this is one of the things that is part of the investigation is to learn exactly the circumstances of some of the international travel that we saw from one of the individuals who is an american citizen and also to learn more about the circumstances that the other shooter entered the united states. so this is the subject of an ongoing investigation. >> is there a significant difference between the vetting of someone coming through and k-1 visa as opposed to someone coming to the united states as a refugee from syria? >> that is a good question.
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and what you have heard us say quite a bit over the last few weeks is that refugees seeking to be reset elled in the united states are subjected to the most rigorous intensive screening of anyone who attempts to enter the united states. that process can take typically between 18 and 24 months. and includes in-person interviews, collection of biographical and biometric information. vetting of individuals. running their names through data bases, including data bases through the intelligence community, military and law enforcement. individuals who enter on the visa that you just described is not as strict. and there still is information being collected about the circumstances this person's entry. so there's more to be learned on
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this. >> and last question, given the fact that this was a woman on the west coast involved in the situation, what is the implication for migration policy now? we know in the case of the refugees coming from syria, women and children were given preference over young men of military age, for example. does the united states need to look into whether women should be held to a stricter standard coming from certain countries due to the fact of what we just saw. >> joe, i think part of this investigation is to collect information that we believe could be used to adjust our security posture, to ensure we keep the country safe. and again, this is a question that our investigators will consider and that ultimately our homeland security professionals will have to evaluate as well.
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they, like all of us, are trying to follow the admonition not to jump to conclusions. but you know, obviously this is something this will carefully consider. garner? >> this is off topic from what you are talking about. do you think paul ryan will have more power with his conference than john boehner did in the fall with this ominous task? >> i guess i would say that i hope so. i don't think there is anybody in this room or anyone on capital hill that relishes the prospect of a mid december or even late december government shut down. >> it is too early, says josh earnest, the president's spokesman to call this an intelligence failure. the idea that a muslim american born in this country who married a pakistani wife in saudi arabia shot up his place of employment, killing 14 people at a holiday
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party and injuring 21. too early to call that, the president's spokesman says. a failure of intelligence, the fbi is still looking into it. coming up now, we have someone who knows a great deal on that. jenna? >> interesting. we have yet to hear from california this morning. in the meantime, former fbi deputy assistant director and hostage commander is joining us. denny we will talk about the weapons used in this attack but i first have to ask about the breaking news ats the off to the hour. all of this media allowed to enter the apartment of the suspects in this alleged terror attack. have you ever seen anything like that? why do you think that could happen with law enforcement in the area as well? what do you make of it? >> what it tells me is that they he have run that place out. they have photographed it. they've measured it. taken biometric measures of it. they've done everything they need to get the evidence out of
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there and they have what they need and they are out of there. i don't know what alternative would be, keep it under some sort of isolation for months to come. but there is no need. if the evidence is good -- >> i think that was our concern, danny, when we first saw it. oh, my gosh, look at all of the different journalists in there. there will be lawyers for the family. and is there a reason that quote unquote evidence could be taken out of the apartment because you've got media there. >> no, absolutely not. i promise you, the evidence response team was there along with atf. they scrubbed that thing. they have photographs, diagrams. they videoed it. they've done everything they need to do to use the evidence in a court of law. not only is it an evidentiary, it is a great coup, like we we got osama bin laden.
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hopefully it will lead to others that are involved. >> interesting. so we also didn't see the part of the apartment, the garage, that looked like that was where -- >> the bombs were made from. >> staging weapons and ammunition and everything else. we wanted to talk to you about the guns used. we add conversation last hour about the laws in california when it comes to weapons buzz one of the big headlines that's come out over the last day or so is that these weapons were purchased illegally. our viewers are seeing weapons on the screen now. and there's been a question, danny, mixed reporting about whether or not the long rifles had been modified. why does that matter? what do you think that means? >> i don't think it matters a lot. but let me say this, after market modification of a commercially built rifle to make it full automatic is very unsuccessful. it makes it highly unreliable. i've used weapons like this and i've never ever fired one fully
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automatic. it is just not effective. i think the thing that strikes me about the pictures is the off kicks. if you look at the pictures, weapons are modified. vertical forgrip which makes it conducive to being used in close battle situations. handles better. they may have very good, at least it appears to be good, holographic type optics that make the aiming of this weapon almost instantaneous. i use that. hrt uses that. people use optical sights on their weapons and make them more deadly than they come from the factory. that's what strikes me. and another thing, these are very expensive. optical sight can run $800 and you have $600 for the gun, this is very expensive. >> i have to take a commercial break. but i want to ask you about what the you think the modifications
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tell us about the suspects in the case. and also about the laws which have been brought up quite a bit. we'll be right back with danny coulson. >> okay, thanks.an. now i use this. the nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release technology, helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq.
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back with danny coulson now. danny, let's talk a little bit more about what you noticed about the weapons. we will show our viewers the weapons on the screen again. with you were paying attention to the grips on the guns, sights on the long guns, as well as the expense. just looking at the quote unquote modifications that could be made to these weapons, what do they really tell us about the suspects? >> they were well financed. i think he made what, $50,000 a year, spending quite a bit of money on ammunition and guns and equipment. i would like to know where the money came from. i'm sure that's what the fbi is looking at now. how did he get his funding.
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is there a bigger organization behind him. i i have to think there is a good possibility there was. another thing, his wife is from pakistan. pakistanis lost the most terrible active shooter in the history of the world. and they penalized the mumbai indians for three days. i wonder whether or not there is some connection on that part because that group is closely affiliated with al qaeda and it makes me wonder what about the pakistani connection. all these things that i know they are going much quicker through the heads of the fbi. i would like answers some day. but these things come to mind. >> you've been there, so we appreciate that expertise, danny. going back to the headlines, the headlines is these guns were bought legally. that's it. we don't know for the long guns who bought them, where they bought them legally. and of course whether or not the shooters themselves have these guns legally.
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what does that headline tell us and should we be focused on the weapons? >> no, not really. weapons are out there pip think one thing i like to use in making speeches and things is this. the gun genie is out of the bottle. guns are there. you can't put it back in the bottle. it is always going to be there. and passing legislations to prevent these things is like passing legislation to eliminate bad breath. it has no effect. and we need to get the idea of let's catch these guys and let's put enough people working the cases and give the fbi and nsa the authority they need to use it. i just heard the president's press conference saying, well, is it intelligence failure? no. it is hampered by politicians that keep them from doing their jobs and that's the issue. >> that's a scary thought and something we talked a lot about. danny, great to have you. >> thank you. >> thank you for the information about the weapons. danny coulson, thanks.
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the chilling new details on the female shooters in san bernardino. details and more questions. fox news now confirming that
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tashfeen malik pledges allegiance to the leaders of isis. she may have radicalized her husband. keep in mind though she was a mother who left her child with her mother-in-law before going on a murderous rampage. we were told yesterday that that kind of commitment raises a lot of questions for him. >> important question, how can she leave a baby? it has to be a huge emotional reason or ideological. only ideological reasons can transform a woman, a mother, into somebody who is toward go engage in a fire fight and maybe be killed. that is what i consider the major evidence for me on the ideological level. >> my next guess is getting inside the minds of to norrus killers, mary ellen otoole. a profiler for the agency. i'm so curious what you think about this, mary ellen, about this woman. she radicalized her husband. but we have no facts to back that up. just tell us, what's your
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initial response to what you've heard so far about this lady? >> i this i that in the end after all of the facts come in, we're going to see her as somebody that is very unique. in terms of violent criminal behavior. because that's what we are looking at. the reason i say that,cy understand that women have been used as suicide bombers but that's not what we are seeing here in this crime scene. we are seeing somebody that went in and was one of the aggressors. we are seeing someone that engaged in what looks like both predatory behavior and sadistic behavior. that is much more frequently seen in men, it's not seen in women. what i'm saying is that all violent crime is not created equally. so this crime scene suggests that she had more than a passive role as a suicide bomber. she was actually part of the aggression. which really sets her apart. >> and do you agree that someone that is motivated in the way she
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was is pushed forward through ideology or is it the sadistic mind, just like any other criminal. >> i think it's too early pour me as a behavioral scientist to say that. but i will add one more feature to this. i agree with your guest that that could have been the reason and we may find that's the reason. but here something more chilling, this crime appears at this point to have a lot of planning that could have gone back for months. and the trappings of normalcy for this couple were very important. now that said, if they wanted to look like a normal family, having a baby would be part of that facade. this baby could have been a prop for her. i know that's going to be very offensive to people. but we have to at least consider that she is not your typical mother with strong maternal instincts. >> certainly not. speaking about what the offensive to people, i think for a lot of our viewers, the idea that a mother would take her
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6-month-old and leave that 6-month-old daughter with family knowing and it seemed like that, knowing they are going to go commit murder, is something that we can't even conceive of. what does that say to you when you heard that part of the story? >> well it makes sense to me, that that behavior planned that day, and it is my assessment that they had other attacks that they wanted to engage in that day. so they could never go back to their life as normal. that was never going to happen. however it turned out, that couple was not going to go back to their life as normal. and that included going back and taking that child and going on to, what, live in florida or live some place else as a normal family? life is over as they knew it. that child was left behind. they weren't going back. that's what that behavior tells me. so now the question is, what would motivate that mother? we can't assume that she has the strong maternal instincts most
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mothers have. >> how typical is it again, getting back to the news item of the day that seems to be driving conversation but with very little fact. that's where we're at in this case anyways, is that we are are still waiting on a lot of facts to help us get a full picture. but we do have a picture so far. one of the things that investigators, anonymously are telling the press, is that she radicalized her husband. and i'm just curious about your thoughts on that, how typical is that, that a woman induces her husband into a life of crime. terrorism or otherwise. >> i think that sort of behavior does happen. but here is the dynamics of that relationship. if it were one-sided, he would not have allowed himself to have been caught up in this. so in order to be that incredibly influential and that persuasive, there had to be a certain level that existed already of compliance, of interest. of commitment on the part of the husband. if he, on the other hand, said
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there's no way i want anything to do with this, she would not have been successful. >> give me something to think about as well. mary ellen otoole, great to have you on the program. thank you. >> thank you. >> we are learning more about the victims of the san bernardino rampage. 14 men and women gunned down during their employee christmas party speaking out now about the lives and deaths of those they lost. chief correspondent jonathan hunt joins us live from los angeles. jonathan? >> reporter: jon, they lived typically american lives. hard-working fathers, mothers, sons and daughters. some born here, some immigrants who had fled other countries to escape violence or persecution. they were black, white, his tannic, asian. the youngest was 26. the oldest, 60. they were america. and last night, thousands gathered to remember the 14 gunned down and killed so brutally at a holiday party. among them, 31-year-old nguyen
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whose mother fled vietnam when tin was 8 years old to bring her to the united states an give letter a better future. her father said days a i goago n was trying on wedding dresses and planning to marry her boyfriend in 2017. another who came to america for a better life, 46 years old, left her native iran at 18 apparently to escape islamic extremism. at the candle lit vigil last night, her daughter talked about her mom. >> she was basically like my best friend. i told her everything. it is hard to like, see all that. but i have to be strong, because like she would have wanted me to be strong. so that's what i'm going to do. i'm going to be strong and help my family. >> larry kauf man ran the coffee
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shop where the shootings happened. his boyfriend, ryan reyes, dropped him off at work wednesday as he always did. larry refused to get a driver's license because he didn't want it give up the daily rides. he said the world is a poorer place without larry kaufman in it. those are just 3 of the 14 american lives taken in such extraordinary and brutal fashion. 14 families, and the rest of with us, jon, struggling to understand why. jon? >> and would-be terrorists achieved nothing from that, except ripping people from their families. thank you. >> so sad it hear of the names. doesn't it make you angry as well? which i'm sure is an emotion a lot of you are feel ppg just as we report out what we know and don't know about this story. an interesting thing happened at the top of the hour. i wanted to tell you a little bit about it.
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the landlord of the apartment of the couple let media into the apartment. what an incredible scene. seems quick to allow media, any media, into what was a scene where there was a great deal of investigation. just what's your observation -- have you ever seen anything like that play out? >> i can never remember seeing journalists allowed to barge in with a bunch of cameras. into suspects home or that sort of thing. maybe when saddam's palace was taken over by western reporters. i can't believe the fbi allowed this. i dont have anypathy for the people who lived there. but msnbc had live feed on for minutes and minutes and despite cautionary notes by andrea mitchell, reporter kari sanders showing toys of the couples' baby, personal photographs with other kids and other people in there. i don't think they would want to be associated with all of this.
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even though driver's license with the identifying information. close-up shot of that. and so to do this live and show some personal effects and information, it was riveting. you couldn't take your eyes off it, but i don't think it was terribly responsible. >> really? do you think it crossed the line? >> i do think it crossed the line. there is a great hunger to know more about this couple, what motivated them, why would they commit the heinous act despite having a baby. but at the same time to have their child's teddy bear held up, and looking at twitter, a lot of people are having the same reaction. >> what about the press's hunger for information in this case when there seems to be questions that do have answers that we're not getting official answers from the fbi. meaning, as we piece things together, terrorism looks more and more likely. the press is trying to act responsibilitiably. because as a journalist you don't want to go with that.
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but there is a feeling in this case that perhaps we're not getting the full story from those that are in the know. do you think that's part of what is driving the hunger for more information wherever can you get it? if i was out that apartment, i have to tell you, i would be right inside with the rest of the journalists. >> i would go in too. i don't know if i would broadcast it live. i think that is a difficult call it make on the fly. i think is driven by a couple things, jenna. one is the disgust in the country after the paris attacks, planned parenthood shooting, now another one. everybody wants to know as much as they can about just what happened here. but secondly, because investigators are doing their work and not sharing it all with the press and sometimes these things move slowly. there is a great frustration among journalists to find out more especially given weird circumstances of having a woman involved. usually these are lone men who commit these kinds of atrocities. i understand the journalistic appetite for this. but when you start showing pictures of other kids and personal identifying information
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and that sort of thing, a report that landlord had accepted payment from the tabloid show inside edition. it is a dangerous road to go down. that's why i think there's reaction against it this past hour. >> very interesting. playing out about a new territory in this particular scene. as always, look forward to you. thank you. >> nice to see you. >> the terror attack in san bernardino causing many of us to wonder, could something like this happen in our hometowns. what can we do to be prepared. we'll have life-saving tips from an ex marine turned d.a. to handle active shooter situations.
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necessary fox news alert, in about 15 minutes from now we are expecting a news update from the san bernardino police department. on the massacre in their town in california. we will certainly have that for you when it begins. can you see the microphones are there waiting at the podium.
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our next guest is a marine no longer on active duty who has helped others prepare for the worst. jay town is an alabama state prosecutors who has conducted active shooter situations drills. so jay, this is something that unfortunately you think all-americans need to be prepared for these days? >> unfortunately, in this post 9/11 world, jon, it is just the reality we are faced with. there are an abundance of resources on-line and with your federal, local and state law enforcement agencies where they actually will come train and employer or venue as to how to deal with an active shooter. there is tutorials and tips and places that you can get training for this whether it is from a private agency or local law enforcement. it is in fact november 15th the federal government itself issued how all of the federal facilities should deal with an active shooter.
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everyone should consider forming an emergency action plan which will absolutely save lives. use the resources that i just talked about on-line. you need to train your employees as to the run/hide/fight mantra that is active shooter protection. knowing your one goal in an active shooter situation is safety. conduct regular security assessments. where are the weak spots in your building. where could a threat come from that maybe is not being protected as well. and a civilian as a citizen, attendee at an event, look around and have situational awareness, where you could run to. where are the doors, what could i use as barricade. what makeshift self-defense weapons might be at my december posal should there be an act of shooter. again, survival and safety are your number one goals in an active shooter situation. not only that, jon, one of the biggest failures i believe in an
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active shooter situation is the prevention of it. perhaps one of the failures out in san person that there were some folks that we hear something say something. folks did see something and said nothing. the neighbors, the mosque notice that farook at least was not regularly attending any longer. he was on an fbi watch list but able to accumulate weapons and ammunition and create a bomb lab in his garage. it leads over into a greater narrative of this lean towards political correctness. >> you said this can happen anywhere. this took place at a center for the developmentally disabled. i was frankly surprised when i heard that they had actually had drills there on a regular basis, active shooter drills. and a lot of the attendees of this event heard the shots o you know saw commotion they thought it was a drill.
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>> they did think it was a drill and it could have been much higher and folks got out or barricaded themselves and were able to survive. and that's exactly what their training taught them to do. >> all right. jay town, ex-marine and alabama state prosecutor. some good advice there. everybody, unfortunately these days, needs to be ready. >> thanks, john. >> yes, sir. first ever summit where some americans are speaking out against isis. why their voices matter, next. the damage these two have caused spreads far beyond the dead and wounded. good american muss lirms devastated. solid citizen. his family has been here more than a century. he, his wife and children feel branded because of all the terror in the name of allah. surh protein.
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hi, everyone. coming up on the real story, we expect to hear from the san bernardino county sheriff. we'll bring you that news conference as soon as it begins. i'll also be speaking with two u.s. senators running for president, rand paul and lind za graham and get their unique positions on how we need to fight terrorism here in the u.s. and overseas in iraq and syria. i'll also be speaking with a former chief investigator for the nypd and ask him about these reports linking the terror suspects, the shooters to radical islam in the middle east. how that factors into the investigation as we battle to keep the homeland safe. that and much, much more coming up at the top of the hour. muslim leaders meeting in our nation's capital.
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lauren? >> moderate muslims are in a battle for the soul of islam. about 20 prominent muslims from the u.s., canada and europe gather inside washington, d.c., for the first time ever, a summit of muslim reformers. the aim is to push back against radicals. there's a problem within the house of islam that only they can solve to bring an end to the tyranny of isis in all radical ideology. they created a new declaration they'll distribute to mosques for the purpose of debating the truth of islam, that it's time for peaceful muslims to take control of their religion. >> we reject violent jihad. we believe we must targ eet the ideology of violele violence. >> this meeting we've held over the past two days has been a summit. a summit that represents the sunlight from the gathering
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storm of the conflict within the house of islam. >> the muslim reformers say there's a problem of collective denial within many islamic communities that needs to be faced in order to defeat the evil that's been allowed to grow. now one imam says it's not enough to condemn extremist violence. they need to be active agents against extreme ideology. >> lauren, thank you. fox news alert. any minute now we'll be getting an update from law enforcement in san bernardino. that's just minutes away. we'll have it for you live when it begins. i wanna see, i wanna see. longing. serendipity. what are the... chances. and good tidings to all. hang onto your antlers.
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we're awaiting a news conference in california on the deadly shooting rampage. an office christmas party turning into a massacre with 14 people dead. good afternoon. hello. i'm julie banderas in for gretchen carlson. this is "the real story." we're learning much more about the married couple killed in a shootout with police. the feds have recovered a facebook post by the female attacker pledging allegiance to isis. police also revealing this crime was anything but spontaneous. originally, remember, they were talking about maybe it being a workplace violence situation? now they are saying the suspected killers had a huge assortment of weapons and a virtual bomb factory inside their home. all of this, combined with their use of tactical gear during the attack making it clearer every second these people were ready to clear and the carnage cou

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