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tonight. i the spin stops here because we are definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, the nation was hit by a terrorist attack less than seven days ago. for five days, the country and its press focused on the killers. trying to get to the bottom of who they were. how deeply connected to terror they had become. and who, if anyone, helped finance the plan or support their operation. on the sixth day, donald trump decided he'd like to get back into the media headlines. welcome, i'm megyn kelly. president obama came out two days after the fbi con if you remembered this was a terrorist attack to reassure us. what we received was a statement that his strategy will not change, that some visa programs will be reviewed, gun laws that
wouldn't have prevented this attack need to be tightened and reminding us to reject any instinct to treat muslims differently or to fear monger about muslim. most republicans replied, no one is doing that, mr. president. enter donald trump. >>
donald trump is call iing foa total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. we have no choice. >> now less than a week after the worst terror attack on america since 9/11, we are in a full blown media circus. not about these two killers and their terror ties, but something that a man said e he would do if by chance his party nominates him to be president and the same general electorate that elected
barack obama twice happens to choose him as their president. trump's remarks have already been labeled hateful, bigoted and un-american and that's just from his republican rivals. they have been condemned by the prime ministers of britain and france. condemned by the senate majority leader, by the white house, which declared that this should be it for mr. trump. >> the first
thing a president does when he or she takes the oath of office is to swear an oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the united states. and the fact is that what donald trump said yesterday disqualifies him from serving as president. >> the pentagon, yes, the pentagon saw fit to weigh in. >> without wading into politics, anything that tries to bolster, if you will, the isil narrative that the united states is somehow at war with islam is n
contrary to our values and national security. >> dick cheney recoiled, almost the entire gop presidential field attacked the comments as did the speaker of the house in an extraordinary moment earlier today. >> normally, i do not comment on what's going on in the presidential election. i will take an exception today. this is not conservatism. what was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for, and more importantly, it's not what this country stands for. >> but reaction from our leaders and elected officials was nothing. compared to the non-stop incessant drum beat of media outlets that first booked donald trump and then played those interviews at nauseam all day long. cnn gave trump half hour interviews by phone on their morning shows and reran the exchanges in their entirety
later in the day. it was all trump, all the time across almost all the media. we are talking 18 plus hours of coverage devoted to him in the past 24 hours. and the krcrowning moment when c news went to barbara walters to interview trump for this even g evening's "world news tonight" broadcast. yes, peter jennings old post. which featured roughly ten minutes of trump coverage before they even got to the issue of terror. you remember terror? the 14 dead and the 21 injured in california? here's a a little of barbara walters' interview of donald trump. >> do you regret your ban on muslims, which some people think is un-american? >> not at all. we have to do the right thing. somebody in this country has to say what's right. i have great respect and love.
i have people that i have tremendous relationships with. they are muslim. and brarbara, they agree with m. >> are you a bigot? >> not at all, probably the least of anybody you have ever met. >> because? >> because i'm not. i'm a person that has common sense. >> we will not be devoting an hour or 20 minutes to what trump said tonight. we will discuss it since it is a big story and this is the gop front runner. but we are going to discuss terror tonight. and then with andy mccarthy, the former prosecutor who brought to justice the man behind the first trade center bomb pg. he'll tell us what he sees about these terror ties. there's no question that remarks like this are a big story. the media has to cover it.
but wow, really? >> well, given the way this has exploded across the political landscape and the e denunciations from his own political party, given a tipping point in the campaign, any news organization that wasn't all over it would be guilty of malpractice. but at the same time, as you point out, this is how trump sees the media spotlight again and again and again by saying something that seems outlandish that goes too far, over the top, and calls into. all the shows, a privilege not acord ed to other candidates an they replay it. >> it's lather, rinse, repeat. we have seen this ma m times. the media is complicit. it's one thing if you'd never seen this happen before. but whenever donald trump's poll numbers fall, like we saw that poll out of iowa yesterday which put ted cruz in the first position before the cnn poll came out later in the day, ted
cruz nationally is polling in the second position for the first time. whenever they fall, he says something to get himself back on tv. he went six days without dominating the air waves. >> also the movie we have seen before is that when all of the establishment press beats up on trump as well as the political establishment or what remains of it, this helps with the base, who e sees him as standing up -- >> this isn't going to do anything to the numbers with his core supporters. >> the press is in a box here. on the one hand, it's our responsibility to cover what he says, especially something like this adegrees. ively. at the same time, not let him hijack the campaign. >> eight hours on cnn today. you tell me whether that is accidental. whether there's some reason they would prefer to be talking about what donald trump said and whether he represents republicans versus the terror attack that the president has basically said he's going to do nothing about to change our strategy in fighting this group
isis. >> absolutely. at the white house they are saying thank god for donald trump. . we have the worst terror attack on our soil since 9/11. we found a bomb-making factory in a suburban neighborhood. president obama was once again caught having underestimated the threat telling us a day before the attacks that we didn't have to worry about a paris-style attack here and being proven wrong. 68% of the american people, according to a recent poll this week, say he's not doing enough on the ground militarily to defeat isis. this is the most important story -- this is our national security in the balance and we're talking about donald trump and something that's never going to happen, banning all muslims from entering in country. >> and it's one thing for donald trump to say it, but you tell me whether the media marches like lemmings when the conductor gets the orchestra going and the media understand their role. they start playing the flute and doing exactly what he wants them
to do. >> they absolutely do because it's a ratings bonanza for them. and also there's a liberal bias in the media. it's dpood r for them to move off this story. donald trump benefits, but who else benefits from this? barack obama benefits because we're not talking about his failed strategy on isis. >> there's more to it because now the articles are coming out. there was a piece today, and you're hearing this more and more, there are many republicans and democrats, for that matter, who believe donald trump if he were to become the nominee represents a a potentially generational catastrophic event for the republican party. >> absolutely. i mean, the more they can pump up trump, the better for the democrats. hillary clinton benefits from this because it helps donald trump and all of the republican party is now having a debate instead of debating terrorism, we're having a debate over whether we should have a ban on all muslims entering america.
that helps them. and it also helps isis. because this is a pentagon spokesman said, this is a huge propaganda victory for radicalism. they want to paint americans as at war with islam and this feeds that narrative. everybody benefits except the republican party and the country. >> is there no responsibility on the part of the media to say it's a story, sure, we're leading with the story tonight. and now it is almost 9:11 and we are moving on. but these outlets that do these half an hour phoners that they reair later, that shows that devote 45 minutes to covering this one statement and almost nothing to terror. >> sure, we have some responsibility to stay focused on what happened in san bernardino and the terrorist story, which has now become the donald trump story. we have some responsibility to have some fairness toward the other candidates compete iing f the nomination. but i will say this.
by the way, it's not just liberal bias. at least he allows himself, e he puts himself in the firing line and allows himself to be interviewed in a way a lot of candidates duck the press or issue carefully cultivated sound bytes, so at least e we get a chance to go at him, but that feeds into. the trump narrative and swallows the whole thing. >> the republicans make themselves available. hillary clinton doesn't as she should. it's no trouble getting the gopars to come on. it's good to see you both. there are also chilling new questions tonight about the husband and wife behind last week's terror attack. as fox news learns the wife may have entered this country with jihad on her mind. adam housely has the latest. plus we have two of the best analysts with a former prosecutor who led the prosecution of the blind shake. they are next, don't miss this. and 48 hours after president obama addressed the nation on the worst terrorist attack since 9/11, the commander-in-chief
faces serious questions over how he plans to keep this country safe. fox news political analysts weigh in on leadership in a time of terror. plus the fbi is encouraging americans to speak up if they see something suspicious. what about worries that speaking up may land you in hot water. the dangers of political correctness, still ahe ♪ our parents worked hard so that we could enjoy life's simple pleasures. now it's our turn. i'm doing the same for my family. retirement and life insurance solutions from pacific life can help you protect what you love and grow your future with confidence. pacific life. helping generations of families achieve long-term financial security for over 145 years.
breaking tonight, a new report suggesting that the male terrorist may have been plotting an earlier attack with someone else back in 2012. this comes as investigators tell fox news they are looking into the possibility that tashfeen malik, the wife, was a, quote, operative and are now certain she was already an extremist before she stepped foot on u.s. soil. we'll be joined by a former prosecutor and terrorism expert. but we begin with adam housely with the latest in redlands, california. adam? >> reporter: for counterterror officials, it's not a surprise. for many who aren't familiar with that sort of thing, tashfeen malik was radicalized overseas. her and her family may be radicalized as well and that's where the investigation is
going. because of that they are looking into the possibility she was some sort of operative. they won't, pand on that, but she was an operative and her husband was already radicalized, they believe, as well. it comes also as reports are that they both may have pledged some sort of allegiance to isis after the attack. the reports came out that she did, but reports are they both may have or she may have beau posted on behalf of poboth of them. also about syed rizwan farook's father. he's on a terror watch list. that could be because it helps them with the investigation. clearly, there's more information there. i'm told by investigators there's a lot more he may be telling and that's why he continues to be -- or added to that terror watch list. one more note for you as well. besides the money trail, it seems that only still internationally but there's a a deposit of $28,500 in the union bank.
marquez is connected through marriage. >> adam, thank you. turning to more with andy mccarthy who led the prosecution for waging war against the united states in the world trade center bombing. he's a national review contributing editor. and dr. gorka, he serves as the major general of military theory at marine corps university. thank you both for being here. so now it looks like they were both in on it fully and she came here radicalized, which is what people believe to begin with. you made an interesting point. to say she came here radicalized actually isn't saying much. why? >> she's from saudi arabia or spent a lot of time in saudi arabia after leaving pakistan. if you were in spain and
somebody was over there speaking spanish, you wouldn't say looks like a radical. you'd say looks like a citizen. sharia is the law of the land and islamism is the mainstream -- >> that's the default. you should assume unless otherwise told. when they applied for this visa to come to the united states, it sounds like it got a rubber stamp. come on in. >> it does get a rubber stamp because we have an administration, not that the previous administration was perfect in this regard, but we now have an administration that follows a strategy called countering violent extremisextr. what the strategy says is that you're supposed to divorce things like ideology, where a person comes from and those kinds of things. >> if you're an islamist, you don't even consider that. i'm not talking about muslim. i'm talking about islamism, you believe in sharia.
>> the point is the administration wants to cooperate with the muslim brotherhood, which means they have to figure out a way to erase radicalism from the equation. the way you do that is we're not going to look at that. >> it didn't happen. when you hear more a about how this plot unfolded and we hear in the mother's car they found the packaging from one of those goe goprocameras. they don't believe that was foreign deposited, but they took out a loan prior to unleash iin this hell. what does it tell you? >> these are indications that this is really classic jihadi trade craft. so if the gopro report is true, they wanted to record the attack for later prop gaganda videos. we have a report coming out in the mainstream media later today that will prove or at least indicate that isis has made $100 million in the last year on the
internet through doing false loans under false pretenses. even isis is doing this. this is on the internet later today. they are following an isis strategy. so we don't have to have command and control back to iraq or back to syria. just patents of what they are doing. surveilling a place beforehand. classic jihadi trade craft, videoing it, using money under false pretenses to pay off people, award people. we have all seen this before. one important thing, female jihadis not new. we have had the black widows in chech chechnya. the first female suicide bomber was a belgium convert who was a woman. this shouldn't surprise anybody. >> what about the fact -- a lot of people are still surprised she was here and radicalized. she's got a 6-month-old, she has the baby while planning to commit mass murder? i still think a lot of people don't understand that. >> i think that we have to take
a step back and look at all of the suicide terrorism that we have, all of the jihadists who put their lives in danger and often killed themselves in the course of this. this is a powerful ideology. we can't just sort of do what we do which is say they are all crazy. >> and look at it through our own prism. >> we have project what we think on their brains. and point of fact they are raised in a different culture. they have a different civilization and different way of looking at the world. >> on the subject of the mosques and what we should be surveilling, you say it's easy to determine which mosque is moderate and which ones are not. >> yes, it's very easy to determine. >> how? >> by talking to people who come in and out of the mosque, by having people go in and out of the mosques, by observing what kind of literature is available in the mosque. that's one of the best ways. a lot of it endorses jihad. >> and where they were trained.
was he trained in pakistan or by the egyptians in cairo? was he trained in saudi arabia, as many have been. >> that's another thing we dismantled. we're no longer looking at the mosques. >> we want the organizations to be our eyes and ears in the community. they don't have the same interest in national security as we do. >> so what do we do about that? we have civil liberties and a president that doesn't believe in that and need to strike a balance of where trump is and where the constitution is. >> this is not a a constitutional issue. they made it into one. there's no constitutional prohibition against sending informants into a mosque. or doing surveillance. >> i was talking about his register all muslims comment. >> that would not only be unconstitutional, it would probably be stupid. the only people to register would be the law-abiding ones.
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as washington debates whether to bring back our federal terror alert system, the director of the fbi is asking all americans to be alert. >> we investigate in secret so we don't smear innocent people. we don't bang on your neighbor's door if you say something. we investigate. if there was nothing there, no harm done. if there was something there, great harm may be avoided. >> great idea in theory. but when a texas student rece recently showed up to school something that looked like a bomb and school officials said something, it turned into a
national fire storm. they were criticized by the white house and they now face a massive lawsuit. not to mention we found out that they are being investigated by the department of justice. rick goldstein is author of "law fair." good to see you. we had the director telling us if we see something, say something. don't be hesitant. it doesn't hurt to have the fbi check it out. next to his boss, the attorney general loretta lynch, who the night before said publicly the doj is now investigating the texas school district that saw something and said something and in good faith was wrong. that's the belief, at least, about this clock kid. >> at the very least, the government is sending mixed messages. they are saying report to us if you see something that's suspicious, but if you do and it's a suspicious activity is being carried out by a muslim, we're going to target you, we are going to investigate you. the fact that we have the attorney general of the united
states one day after 14 americans were massacred by radical islamists going to a press conference, not sympathizing with the victims, not saying we're going to investigate, but announcing she's going to go after a children's school district for reporting a bomb-like clock is sending the wrong message. >> and saying explicitly during her remarks in front of this muslim-american group that her greatest fear, her greatest fear is this type of anti-muslim rhetoric and the potential for accompanying attacks saying that this has been -- she said there's been a disturbing rise in anti-muslim rhetoric when she made that presentation the day after the terror attack. >> this is the obama administration to convince us that islam has nothing to do with radical islam and to target those in the counterterrorism
community to target americans and now to target school districts if they say anything or they report on anything that they seem to be related to radical islam. this is a government that fires fbi officials for big islam phobic for giving courses to our counterterrorism percent until about the roots of islamist terrorism. so we have talked about this many times on the show. there was an all out war on free speech and it's being carried out not just by the obama administration, but now you have groups like the council on american islamic relations that is ality jus groups that sues anyone that talks about islam. >> here's the thing. they came out immediately after that terrorist attack in san bernardino parading the family member in front who was muslim it say this wasn't me, this isn't islam. >> right, and then you have the
president of the united states who is now preaching to us what is the real islam and what is not the real islam. and i've been speaking about this with some of my friends and this is trend iing close to a violation of the establishment clause where the government is not allowed to favor one version of a religion over another version. we have our entire national security policy is based on favoring the peaceful version of islam over the non-peaceful version when those who have declared war against our country ascribe to the non-peaceful version but we're not allowed to talk about that. >> that's interesting. andy has an interesting piece right now on this, on how there are plenty peaceful muslims who have assimilated into. the united states and accepted american values and then there's another group who believe in sharia and who do not believe in the separation and want something very different.
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on u.s. soil. the e question for you is whether our commander-in-chief struck the right tone and the right message and pushed the right policy when we listened to him on subd night. >> it's a little hard to judge a person's leadership on a matter in which the person is not trying to lead. to the extent that he is, e he seems to be wanting more than anything, and this it despite all that happened, o to lead america away from what is considered its unfortunate interventionist past. president bush, of course, changed the entire course of his presidency, the entire focus of it and became immediately a a war-time president. president obama, although this particular attack was not nearly as severe in terms of the loss of life as 9/11 was, we have been engaged in trying to defeat these terrorists ever since. what the president has done has failed to do that and the threat
from isis and al qaeda's successor has only grown. he seems impervious to all that in terms of the willingness to change his policy, in which he wants the leadership and the soldiers to come from somewhere else. >> when we saw this after fort hood where he said workplace violence and stuck to it for so many years, sunday was the first time i heard him refer to that as terrorism. and this attack on san bernardino, so many many in the administration seem to try so hard to get this to be workplace violence, which it wasn't, and all the signs were staring us in the face. it leads people with an uneasy feeling about whether we're looking at this with clear eyes and responding accordingly. >> i think that's right, megyn. people are far more alarmed than the president seems to be and nothing about his demeanor or words gives us a sense that he
is really ready to go after isis and similar terrorist organizations with real ferveer. the kind of urgency in which you do as george h.w. bush did in the invasion of kuwait where you make an all out military a diplomatic effort and use whatever force it took to go and reverse what had happened. you saw it in his son's. presidency when he reversed the course of his administration and focused to the greatest extent by far on that. >> he reversed again and said my strategy is not working, which we all knew any way and we seem to be at that same point now as we see isis is not contained in the middle east. no. sooner does the president say that that his chairman said the opposite and as they make strides in the middle east, what we see is a corresponding bold
ness at home where people feel excited by it. they feel inspired by the successes over there. it's not irrelevant to what happens here in the homeland. >> the president talks a lot about how if we went over there big and came in with a serious invading force that that would play into isis's hands. maybe. but i think it's more likely that's what's playing into isis's hands is the sense of inconvince blt that when they are attacked in one place and restrained in one area, they show the ability to attack in another as paris and san bernardino have so clearly illustrated. so i think the president, what i'm concerned about is his concept is wrong. if his concept is wrong and his willingness to look at the problem in the eye and call it what it is is misguided as well, we have these duel problems with
him and he's too stubborn. >> what does that mean? >> it's a weak -- basically a weakling. he's not really that in the sense -- >> i like the word. >> it's a colorful r word. i checked its meaning. he's really not that. he's been pretty tough in the sense of his rejijty in refusing to change course. the speech on the other night was remarkable in that sense that he came out and delivers this 15-minute address in which he basically did three things. one, he admitted san bernardino and a couple other events were terrorism for the first time. then he proceeded to lay out for us all of the steps he had taken that had failed to prevent san bernardino. then he spent much of the speech lecturing us on how we are to
behave toward muslims suggesting to me he doesn't trust more thanes to behave properly u in the aftermath of this attack. it was discouraging. >> do you know donald trump? he may have been seeing something that the rest of us didn't anticipate. >> e he saw a moment for himself. >> great to see you. >> thanks, megyn. breaking news in the investigation into this mother of the san bernardino male terrorist. the fbi seizing several items from her car as we get reports that she has been put on a terrorist watch list and growing questions about her story that she didn't know anything. that's next on what could happen. when a moment turns romantic why pause to take a pill?
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new details in the investigation into the mother of the san bernardino male terrorist syed rizwan farook. the fbi seizing a number of items from her car as we hear reports that u.s. authorities have now put her on a terror watch list. moments we'll talk about whether the police have enough evidence to arrest this woman. >> the 2005 black lexus was registered to the mother and was listed on the insurance documents. because of what we now know, the items found inside the car raise a number of resident flags. for example, we know the husband and wife killers took several
trips to gun ranges for target practice. shooting targets were found inside the car. we know they were building explosive devices, several tools were taken from the vehicle as well as an empty gopro camera package. mounted gopros have been used by isis followers in other attacks. even mundane items found inside the car like uhaul receipts could help answer whether the mom could have driven the car and not noticed the tools and targets. could have lived in the house and not noticed the so-called ied factory in the garage. syed rizwan farook's father has already admitted he knew a about his son's extremist leanings and he lived across town. the family lawyer said the mother knew nothing, but there are now reports raffia was an active member of the islamic
circle of north america, which has been linked to a radical group. in 2002 invited a radical cleric as a guest speaker. when it comes o to what, if anything, the mother knew, attorney general loretta lynch says they are looking very, very closely. >> i'll bet they are. join iing me me is a criminal defense attorney. you're telling me this mother knew nothing, arthur? they lived with her. they drive the same car. targets from shooting practice aren't a smoking gun, but the entire picture suggests this woman knew a lot more than she's ledding on. >> let's add one more point. she babysat a lot for their 6-month-old. a 6-month-old is a real baby. you have to have a lot of interaction with mom and dad or at least one of the parents.
so the way they try to make it out like she didn't really know what was going on downstairs sglsh they want us to believe they were living a at versail s versailles. the home is small. >> this is all circumstantial evidence. everything articulated about her car. it's registered to her, what was in the car, what was in the garage. that's all circumstantial evidence that at the very least is a crime on the books called if you knew or really should have known a crime was about to take place, you need to pick up the phone and call whatever authority to prevent that crime. >> not only don't i agree with arth arthur, i'm shocked those words are flowing from his lips. as a criminal defense attorney knows that the burden of proof is always proof beyond a reasonable doubt even when
you're angry with someone, even when the crime is unbelievably offensive. what you've got if you look at all the facts is she definitely, 100% may have known what was going on and without a doubt possibly even assisted, but that is pure speculation and the case would be thrown out by the judge. >> but mark, what you're saying is accurate at trial in front of a jury. for probable cause, a much, much, much lower standard to make an arrest. megyn kelly asked me the question. could she be arrested at this point? the low standard of probable cause with the plethora of circumstantial evidence i think an argument could be made. >> they are saying the $28,000 they took out was supposedly that this was a deposit from webbank.com. that they were clearing out their bank accounts. he took out $10,000 in cash.
she gets $15,000 and on top of that, she was home with their baby on the day they went to kill all those people. he came back from that event, the two of them dawnedvests. we don't know if they did it in front of her in the house, but at some point they put on their bulletproof vests, their ski masks. they grabbed several guns, tons of ammo and pipe bombs and they left to go kill a bunch of americans. she saw nothing. and then later in the day when the shoot-out was taking place on the streets of san bernardino, she didn't know that was her car? she didn't know she wasn't asking they said they had the flu and were going to the doctor. they've been at the doctor for several hours now. no phone call to police? that's not suspicious? >> it is. and she absolutely may be guilty. but we're talking about a legal standard here. and what arthur is not telling you is that in every criminal case you must remove every reasonable hypothesis of innocence -- >> megyn kelly --
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breaking tonight a story of heroism in the face of terror. as a survivor of the shootings shares how her co-worker gave his life to save hers and how she plans to honor his sacrifice. trace gallagher has the story. >> megyn, ronald reagan says heroes may not be braver than anyone else, they may be braver five minutes longer. it's an apt description of a man who found himself sitting at a table laughing with denise and the next minute they were huddled beneath the same table
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