we have a huge lineup tomorrow night. marco rubio, jeb bush, james authorities believe mauric and her family may have been radicalized overseas and she may have come here as an operative and her husband was at least partially radicalized in the u.s. and they say they both pledged allegiance online to i
sainsd saeed's father is on a watch list and the connection of who potentially sold the weapons to them, connected via marriage. now, back to "hannity." welcome to "hannity." tonight 2016 republican presidential candidate donald trump refuses to back down over his bold plan to keep america safe from isis threats. despite a huge wave of criticism from the mainstream media and politicians on both sides of the aisle. last night trump laid out his proposal to stop all muslims from entering the u.s. until government officials can get a better understanding of the increasing terror threats to the homeland. take a look. >> what's happened is we're out of control. we have no idea who is coming into our country. we have no idea if they love us or if they hate us. we have no idea if they want to bomb us. we have no idea what's going on.
donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> and in washington yesterday, the house homeland security committee chairman, congressman mike mccaul, who will join us later tonight, issued a very stern warning about isis infiltrating the refugee community that wants to come to america. watch this. >> i can reveal today that the united states government has information to indicate that individuals tied to terrorist groups in syria have already attempted to gain access to our country through the u.s. refugee program. >> and congressman mccaul is not the only one who has sounded the alarm about the refugee security risk. the national intelligence director, the head of the fbi and several other high ranking officials have also issued warnings. watch this. >> would that bring in syrian
refugees pose a greater risk to americans? >> i mean, it's clearly a population of concern. >> the concern is in syria, the lack of our footprint on the ground in syria that the da databases bont have the information we need. not that we have a lack of process. it's that we have a lack of information. >> that raises a great concern to do proper background checks of the individuals coming into the country? >> yes. >> i don't obviously put it past the likes of isil to infiltrate operatives among these refugees. >> we can only query against that which we have collected, and so if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in syria in a way that would get their identity or their interests reflected in our database, we can query our data. base till the cows come home but nothing will show up because we have no record on that person. >> there's some fear that some of these refugees may actually be posing as refugees, but they
might actually be al qaeda or isis terrorists trying to sneak into europe or the united states. what do you make of that? >> certainly that's a possibility. you can't dismiss that out of hand. >> we should be conscious of the potential that daesh may attempt to embed agents within that population. >> joining us with reaction, 2016 republican presidential candidate florida senator marco rubio. you continue to rise in the polls, senator, a big congratulations to you. we have general john allen. we have james covey, our fbi director, the assistant fbi director, the chairman of the homeland security committee, mike mccaul who will join us later, james clapper, many, many others saying we cannot possibly vet and have assurance that those syrian refugees in this particular case can be fully
vetted. whyou we gamble with the lives of the american p repeatedly is not that we don't want to 'lou refugees, you don't want someone you can fully vet. in one of the statements -- i couldn't see who it was -- it's not a lack of process. it's a lack of information. you can vet them a million times and nothing will turn up because we don't have reliable databases from people coming from syria. and we face another distinct challenge. americans who live in this country their entire life as we saw this weekend in san bernardino become radicalized online, through overseas travel, whatever it may be and they committee an atrocious act of terror. >> but the woman in the case grew up in saudi arabia and had a pakistani passport, right? >> well, but her husband was a u.s. citizen. >> you're right. >> my point being is that we have a home grown violent extremist problem as well. they are two distinct but serious problems. one is people coming from abroad and the other is isis propaganda that is radicalizing people here
at home. we have to deal with both of them. >> we talked to mr. trump who has a habit of making offensive and outrageous comments. it sounds like, unless we can properly vet, in the case of syrian refugee, you kind of agree with ip had. in other words, if we can't have a -- >> no, well -- >> if we don't have assurances from our intelligence officials, would you be comfortable letting them in? >> well, it depends on who they are. but it wouldn't be a religious test. look, the king of saudi arabia, a strong ally of the united states, his son attends georgetown university. so he won't be allowed in? what will that do to our relations with an important ally in the region? it's not constitutional to begin with. that sort of blanket denial into the country and he even implied u.s. citizens who traveled abroad would not be aloud back in. >> i didn't hear him say anything about american citizens. if you're an american, you should be allowed back in, but there's no constitutional right for a foreigner to get into this country. we make those laws. >> there isn't.
there isn't. but we've never had a religious test. and i would say to you to have a religious test would violate the constitution. it's not that we're banning people because of their faith but we need to work with sunnis who need to defeat this radical sunni group. can we properly vet people coming into this country? if you cannot properly vet someone, whether they're muslim or not, they shouldn't be allowed into the united states, irrespective of what their faith background must be. you have to be able to properly vet someone. and we're facing a threat. >> if we can't vet, would it be a good idea to put in place a pause until we can vet them and not gamble with the lives of the american people? >> well, but i think that's functionally what we have hopefully going to happen. and that is not a pause because of a religious test, but a pause because we can't vet people. even if we tried to, we don't have enough information from that region to vet anyone. it's not because of their religion. because we don't have information about the region. >> if you don't have information, you're not willing to let them in and gamble with the lives of the american
people. and i agree with you on that. >> right. and so this is a -- what people have to accept is that this is a threat unlike anything we've ever faced before and it requires us to do things such as this at least until we understand and improve our databases which may not happen any time in the foreseeable future because isis has grown increasingly capable at eluding the kind of things that detect potential terrorists. >> let me ask you a tougher question. i worry about the following. if you grow up in a country -- and i'll put up on a screen in the minute, the shariah law in saudi arabia, bahrain, lebanon, the united arab emirates and sudan. i'll put it up in a second. but their values are the antithesis of our constitutional republic. so, for example, if somebody grows up in saudi arabia -- we'll start with them -- where women can't drive and they need a male guardian's permission to travel or work or where marital rape is not even recognized and women are expected to cover themselves and men tell them how
to dress. those values, if you grow up in that society or if you grow up in bahrain where a woman's testimony is worth half that of her man's or in lebanon marital rape is not punished, there's no loss against sexual harassment in the workplace, if you grow up in that culture, how do we know if you want to come to america that you want to assimilate, adopt american values or if you want to bring those values that you grew up under with you? how do we -- should we be able to ascertain that? >> and that's a more fundamental question and that's an important question. that is, are people coming to live in america or are they coming to become american. there are people who are coming here to get away from that. they reject that ideology. >> i agree. but how do we determine who's who? >> that's a hard thing to do. i admit that's a much more difficult thing to do. we'll have to explore that. this is a new problem we faced just in the last few years where we used to be worried about people coming from abroad, but
in addition to that we face people being radicalized here at home as well. this is a complex issue and requires us to treat it seriously and to acknowledge this is a serious interpretation of the muslim faith that causes people like isis to do what they're doing. >> mary horowitz went and asked some residents about what they wanted for the law of the land in america. i want to play it for you and get your reaction to it. >> do you feel more comfortable living under american law or do you feel more comfortable under shariah law? >> shariah law. >> i'm a muslim. i prefer shariah law. >> shariah law, yes. >> do you prefer shariah law over american law? >> of course, yes. of course, yes. >> and you find most of your friends feel the same way? >> yeah, of course. if you're muslim, yeah. >> but my question, senator, is i know that european countries have struggled with this
country, no go zone, shariah courts in the attempts to separate, et cetera. do you worry about that when you hear those answers from american muslims? >> of course, you hear those answers from anyone, you would be concerned about someone that is saying they want to impose on this country and local jurisdictions religious tests and religious laws that are held in other countries around the world. you would be concerned. the purpose of our permanent immigration system to be to attract people to this country who are coming to become american, which is one of the reasons why i've argued that we need to move towards a merit-based system of immigration, where the primary criteria we would use to admit someone to the country would be what job are they going to fulfill, for what economic purpose are they coming to the united states? it isn't going to solve all these problems. this is a very unique situation that we're facing which has begun to accelerate over the last few years. we need to think about it very seriously and responsibly in a way that can pass both constitutional muster and keep our country safe.
>> always good to see you. congratulations on your numbers. a three-way race, you, donald trump and ted cruz. it's getting interesting. >> thank you. more reaction to these comments of donald trump to ban muslims coming into the u.s. for a time. we'll speak with another one of his republican rivals, we'll check in with dr. ben carson. then what is life like really under shariah law? what does that mean in saudi arabia. ayaan hirsi ali knows the brutal practices and she's here to explain them to you on this busy night on "hannity." as introductions go, this is a name you don't want to forget. the ram promaster city. it's a van that speaks volumes. it's spacious and flexible.
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what i'm doing is no different than fdr. >> you're for internment camps? >> this is a president who was highly respected by all. he did the same thing. if you look at what he was doing, it was far worse. he was talking about the germans because we're at war. we are now at war. >> that was 2016 republican presidential candidate donald trump defending his plan to ban all muslims from entering the country until our leaders can properly assess the dwroeing terror threats to the homeland. here with reaction, author of "a more perfect union, what we the people can do to regain our constitutional liberties," dr. benjamin carson. i see that you have been critical. we have our homeland security people, the chairman of the homeland security committee in the house, he says isis has a plan to infiltrate the refugee community. james clapper, our national director of intelligence, our fbi director, assistant fbi director and many others have
all said that isis has the potential to infiltrate that population. are we making a mistake by allowing some of these people in? does donald trump have a point? >> well, as i've said before, you know, it's a false narrative that we only have two choices to bring in thousands of syrian refugees or to turn our backs in cold hearted indifference. we have another option, and that is to support the safe havens that they have over there. you know, jordan has plenty of space for them. >> yeah. >> and all they need is more financial support. it's a very false narrative. same as with the iran deal. we say either we go to war with iran or we accept this horrible deal. there's other options. i don't know why we have to be talking about this, to be honest with you. what we have to be careful of is not conflicting with the constitution. the constitution says that we do not discriminate on the basis of religion. however, you know, i don't have
any problem with anybody coming here regardless of their race, creed, religion, if they want to be americans and if they want to live, you know, the american way of life. but if they want to come here and change it to something else, i have a big problem with that. >> well, nothing that mr. trump said indicates to me that he's saying americans abroad that are muslims do not have the right to come back. what i took from his remarks is that, wait a minute, all these important people, james comey, james clapper, john kirby, mike mccaul, congressman mike mccaul, assistant fbi director, obama's top envoy in the coalition to defeat isis, have all said that we cannot vet the syrian refugees, for example. so until we get to the point where we can fully vet them and guarantee the american people that they're going to be safe, does that then there make it a reasonable proposal? because i agree with you about the safe zones. i think that's a far better
solution. >> well, it's different than saying that you're going to stop all muslims from coming, to say that we're not going to admit syrians unless we have a better vetting process. those are two different statements. >> what he said is he would stop, call for a complete shutdown of muslims, i assume from abroad. i don't think he's talking about americans as some have interpreted it. i'll ask him next time he's on. entering the country until our representatives can figure out what's going on. and he went on to say until we're able to determine and understand the problem and prevent dangerous people from coming in. >> right. he hasn't said anything different than what many of us are saying, in that we shouldn't be bringing people in without vetting them properly. the controversy comes in is when he said muslims in general. that's where the problem comes in. given a chance to clarify that, i suspect he would. >> if you grow up under shariah
law and you studied our constitution and you've written about our constitutional liberties, there's a direct conflict. to me it's 180-degree difference. shariah conflicts with our constitutional rule of law in this country. so somebody wants to come having grown up under that system. there's a clash of cultures. how do you ascertain, can you possibly ascertain if they want to bring those values with them or if they want to, you know, assimilate into american societies, is that possible to ascertain? >> there's no question it's going to be difficult. i think you have to look carefully at where they have grown up, where they've come from. you have to question them. you have to have techniques for questioning them, which will give you an indication of whether they're coming to america to embrace american ideals or whether they want to, in fact, change things. you know, one thing that would be good for people to study is the holy land foundation trial.
started back in 2007. and during that trial there was an explanatory memorandum that was discovered about the muslim brotherhood's purposes here in america. they want to wage what they call a civilization jihad. they want to infiltrate us, get into positions of power and actually change who we are, and the attorney general, mr. holder, you know, just put a stop on that trial. but that's a serious issue. and we know that's going on and that's an agenda. and we cannot just close our eyes to that. >> it sounds in many ways like you're agreeing with mr. trump on this issue. for the most part. you would have said it differently. you recently got back from jordan. you were at some of these safe zones and you talked to the people there. and one of the comments that struck me when you got back is you said those people really don't want to come here. the majority of people that you met, they want to go back to their own country. >> yeah. they want to go back, and the other thing that they want is for us to support the efforts of
those who are trying to provide safe zones for them. another thing we should be looking at is in northeast syria, that's an area that's controlled by the kurds. there's hotels and hospitals and airports, and a lot of the syrians could be resettled there if we gave the kurds what they needed in terms of military equipment to be able to defend them. somehow we don't seem to want to give that to the kurds unless they're doing a specific operation with us. i think that's stupid. they're very reliable and they're good fighters. >> dr. carson, you've taken a hit in the polls in the last couple of weeks. what -- as you analyze those polls, what do you make of it? it seems to be nationally, iowa and new hampshire. do you think that maybe it's a mistake that you made or you think something has happened. what do you think's happened? >> well, you know, i've been just blistered by the media with any possible thing. i think it's unprecedented.
but you know, polls go up and down. and i don't get terribly excited by them. when i was riding high and people asked me about it, i said the same thing. polls go up and down. it's a marathon, not a sprint. i think you'll see them starting to go back up again. >> dr. carson, appreciate your time. thank you, sir. >> thank you, sean. >> coming up tonight here on "hannity" -- >> what donald trump said yesterday disqualifies him from serving as president. >> what was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for. and more importantly, it's not what this country stands for. >> i think the person that should be disqualified from being president may be the guy that said that isis was contained, they were the jv team. anyway, politicians on both sides of the aisle taking shots at donald trump over his controversial plan. so would his plan hurt or help his campaign? our panel will weigh in next. later we'll show you what life is really like under shariah law in this case saudi arabia.
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yesterday disqualifies him from serving as president. >> this is not conservatism. what was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for and, more importantly, it's not what this country stands for. >> and it's time that my side of the aisle has one less candidate in the race for the white house. it's time for donald trump to withdraw from the race. >> and that's not all democratic front-runner hillary clinton tweeted out, quote, this is reprehensible, prejudiced and divisive. donald trump, you don't get it. this makes us less safe. >> here katrina pierson is with us, from the "washington times" charles hurt. you're with the trump campaign. an important issue. i have a statement here in front of me. he said it would be somewhat temporary shut down into our country's representatives figure out what is going on. and he said until we're able to determine and understand the problem.
so he's talking about a period of time. what specifically, how long do you think that would take in order to vet them? >> donald trump is only saying, in light of san bernardino, where you have someone who came in from a k-1 visa and still managed to thwart the system. so donald trump is just saying, okay, it's time to take a step back, put a pause on the infiltration until we have proper mechanisms in place like the reforms we're talking about in congress today. >> i would have said it differently, rich, than the way donald trump said it, but i look at obama's top envoy to the coalition to defeat isis, general john allen, and he said we should be conscious of this potential, that the refugee population will be infiltrated. james comey, head of the fbi, james clapper said it, assistant to the fbi director michael steinbeck said it, james kirby said it, nicholas rasmussen said it.
and we'll have congressman mccaul, homeland security chairman in the house, he said that isis has a plot to infiltrate that community. to me, if he would have explained it that way, i don't think it would have been as controversial. >> yeah, the security concern is entirely understandable. we should be tapping the brakes on these visa programs, especially associated with any of these countries that have a terrorism problem. and i think we need less muslim immigration and less legal immigration generally. i think the problem with the way he's set this out are two fold. one, if you're going to stop an upstanding individual and say, you know what? you cannot come in this country because of your religious faith, that's going to strike a lot of people as insidious and even anti-american. >> one last point. >> you don't want to communicate a generalized hostility to all muslims. because if you're going to do the sort of surveillance we need to do within this country, you need the cooperation of all those communities.
>> but smart people, our own government, is telling us that we can't possibly vet them, that there's a risk of allowing, in the case of syrian refugees, into this country. david french who writes for you in "national review" had a long, well-thought-out piece with a lot of polling to back up and suggest that the idea that there are few extremists is a myth. do you agree with david french? >> oh, yeah. there's a huge problem in the muslim world. >> that they hate us. they want to kill us. they want to destroy us. >> right. the way i think about it, sean, we have this debate constantly among ourselves. is islam a religion of peace. it is for muslims to decide whether islam is a religion of peace or not. and if enough of them event wally you cut off the observation jen to all the extremists and you win this long ideological war but we're not close to that yet. >> i didn't hear in donald trump's statement that american muslims or american servicemen couldn't come back to the country. what i heard him say is people
from countries that live under shariah which directly contradict our constitutional republic and values we hold, we need to have a vetting system that we know is working. >> consider my colleague david french who served in iraq brings this example up. what about the iraqi interpreter who has risked life and limb to serve alongside our guys actually fighting the jihad, are we not going to let him in because he's a muslim? >> i think the answer is no in that case. i don't think that's what he's referring to. he probably needs more details to back this up. charles hurt, what is your reaction to all of this? >> i find it amazing that so many people, political prog knows tick caters and people in washington are so stunned to hear donald trump say something like this. we've had seven years of a president who has not taken radical islamic terrorism seriously. so much so that he won't even call it what it is. won't even call the enemy what they are. we've had seven years of a president who has not taken border security seriously at all
and we've had seven years of this political correctness that has people being called bigots and racists because they're genuinely concerned about radical islamic terrorism. >> guys, thank you all for being with us. we're ute of time. i appreciate it. now we'll examine up close and personal what is life like growing up under shariah law, for example, in saudi arabia. iyad hirsy ali will join us with an eye opening interview. our fears have now become reality. radical islamists targeting our refugee program to order to enter the u.s. the homeland committee chairman is here with a terrifying report is here with a terrifying report you do not want to mis the best of everything is even better during red lobster's ultimate seafood celebration. with jazzed up new dishes like the decadent grand seafood feast and the ultimate wood-grilled feast why wait to celebrate? so hurry in, it ends soon.
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brutality of it, unfortunately, better than most. she's the author of "heretic" human rights activist ayaan hirsi ali. can you just tell everybody, you lived under shariah law. where did you live under shariah? >> well, the most extreme shariah law taken toits logical conclusion was in saudi arabia. and when i lived there, it hasn't really changed that much in terms of the application of the law is as a woman, you are the property of your male guardian. you are covered from head to toe. you are banished from the public unless you have a male guardian with you. for punishment -- you know, people are punished in the public square. if you express your doubts about whether you believe in this religion or not, you are subjected to -- >> yeah, i know in saudi arabia, women can't drive. women can't be seen in public without a male relative.
women must dress a certain way. is it true that marital rape is not recognized as rape in saudi arabia? >> marital rape is not recognized because once you are married, you are your husband's property. marital rape is not recognized. and they think if you say such things as marital rape, that you are sinning and committed a crime and you'll be punished accordingly. living in saudi arabia, i, you know -- i look at what the islamic state in iraq and syria is doing and i'm thinking what is really the difference between our friends and partners and allies in saudi arabia and what the islamic state is doing? it's exactly what they believe. these people are executing it to the letter. >> so if we talk about gender rights violations in saudi arabia under shariah, it is a significant cultural difference from the way that women are treated here. men -- women are not men's property. women can dress as they choose, they can drive, they can vote. women, you know, don't need --
you know, there is such a thing as marital rape, for example. so my question is, if you grow up, if somebody grows up under shariah and saudi arabia, we take a lot of students in on student visas and people come from saudi arabia. are we risking the united states of america bringing people in that hold on to those values that were indoctrinated into those values, is there a risk factor for the american people that they want to bring those values with them? >> absolutely. there is a risk factor. and there's a risk factor as we've seen with this woman tashfeen malik who is of pakistani origin who lived in saudi arabia. but there are also saudis who is now in prison who was sentenced to 1,000 lashes for his opinion. there are saudis who want this changed. the only thing is they cannot use -- within saudi arabia there's no platform for them to express their doubts about shariah and about jihad and
about radical islam. so that is, for us, that's the balancing game. we want to side with people like him but we want to keep people like tashfeen out. how do we do that? the only way is to get rid of the political correctness, call a spade a spade and have an open conversation about who is on our side and who is not. >> shariah conflicts directly with americans' constitutional form of government, our constitutional republic. so now the question is -- >> absolutely. >> donald trump made these comments that until we can properly vet those people that come from muslim countries, he says, we ought to put a pause on this. do you think that's the right thing to do in light of your knowledge of life in saudi arabia under shariah law? >> well, i'm watching this whole firestorm about mr. trump's remarks now and in the past, and what i'm seeing is there are a lot of -- thousands and thousands, hundreds of thousands of americans who agree with him.
so it's not for me. i've been a politician myself. when i look at leaked psyelecti i don't so much focus on the candidate, i focus on whether they strike a note within the population. in america, there is -- you know, there's -- america has a sense of alarm. >> it really comes down to a question of can you ascertain in any way whether somebody wants to bring those radical views that they were indoctrinated in under shariah or do they want the breath of freedom? i don't know how you ascertain what's in somebody's heart. that's a pretty complicated question. >> it's a complicated question, but also we are now living in a complicated context where we've had so much political correctness, we have silenced people's sentiments, and now this is all exploding. and i think that the best way to approach this is to have a national conversation that is
mature, that is decent about this. and i don't know if we're going to do that within an election cycle, if each and every party is going to do it in their own separate ways, but what is really needed is -- let me put it very bluntly. we cannot defeat islamic terrorism unless we address adequately islamic totalitarianism. that's what it boils down to. we can do that in a mature way and i don't know if an election cycle is the maplace to do it. >> i appreciate your words of wisdom. coming up next on "hannity." >> the united states government has information to indicate that individuals tied to terrorist groups in syria have already attempted to gain access to our country through the u.s. refugee program. >> isis wants to infiltrate the refugee program. a chilling warning from the house homeland security chairman and people with ties to terrorists, they're trying to get into america through the
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country through the u.s. refugee program. that was house homeland security chairman mike mccaul yesterday issuing a dire warning about our national security. he joins us now to explain. if you could now reveal today that our government has information indicating that isis or al qaeda, those with terror ties, have already tried to infiltrate the refugee population, isn't that a real clear, present danger to every american to allow these people in? >> well, i believe it does, sean. i sent a letter to the dni, fbi, secretary of homeland. the dni director of national intelligence responded that the national counterterrorism center has identified -- and this is very, very important to your viewers -- has identified already individuals tied to terrorist organizations in syria that want to exploit and get into the united states through the refugee process. some of these have been stopped, but my concern is if we allow
this program to go forward, we could potentially be bringing ticking timebombs into the united states that could perpetrate terrorist attacks. >> would you go as far as tont taking these refugees in spite of what i assume are intelligence assess manies that you're reading? that he's gambling with the lives of the american people? >> i think he's playing russian roulette with national security. when you asked the secretary of homeland security to talk about the lack of a vetting process, first, and foremost we have to protect the safety of americans. we're a humanitarian nation but let's get this thing right before bringing in tens of thousands of syrians. that is why the bill i passed in the house has to pass in the senate. and if the president vetoes it, we have a veto proof majority on
that. >> and based on what james comby has said and john kirby has said, do you think donald trump's idea that we don't have this vetting system down in any way. look at the case of a woman in saudi arabia, gave the wrong address, nobody caught it. do you think it's wise? look what happened in paris. isis infiltrated there. do you think it might be a good idea until we get a hold of this to put a fault on it? do you think trump has a point. >> that is what the iraqis process. we have to do it in this case. because isis in their own words have said they want to infiltrate the west. now, we have our intelligence communities reporting to me that individuals now are trying to get into the united states through this program. and it would be irresponsible to
be complicit with a program that could bring terrorists into the united states. >> do you think it should be expanded into people that grow up under strict sharia law? that persecute women? that kill gays and lesbians? i'm surprised that more liberals aren't outraged. if you grow up under sharia how do we know whether or not you want to bring your values with you? >> you've identified the problem. we don't have enough intelligence on the ground in syria or iraq. the jihad movement is spreading and we have to have a more robust process before bringing any of the refugees into the united states. i will say 2000 of them have been brought in already. we don't have the ability to monitor them. we need to put a pause on the program. put the brakes on it owe ensure
the safety of americans. i've heard this from law enforcement that this poses a serious threat to the united states. >> if it's russian roulette, i think the lives and safety of the american people have to come first. so until people loik you and our fbi director and other people mentioned, until they say it's safe, i agree with you. this is the prudent thing to do. >> thank you, sean, i appreciate it. >> when we come back, our ask sean segment and ♪ and then santa's workers zapped it right to our house. and that's how they got it here. cool. the magic of the season is here at the lexus december to remember sales event. this is the pursuit of perfection.
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and time for our ask sean segment. >> do you think there will be a breaking point about the millions of muslims around the world that want to continue to push an agenda that this has nothing to do with israel? >> first of all, journalism is dead. i don't think the main stream media goes out of their way to tell you the truth. so that is not where i'm getting information from. this is a legitimate question. when you talk about someone that grows up sharia law and are the antithesis of values we hold dear, for example, womens' rights, we have to factor in whether or not they're coming here to become americans and part of the family, or whether they still hold on to ideas of which they were indoctrinated into and the culture they grow up in. it's more complicated than the
media would have you believe. i think the safety of americans has to come first. that is all the time we have left this evening. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. ♪ tonight, "on the record," donald trump stirring up yet another controversy a big firestorm swirling around the g.o.p. frontrunner. trump coming under fire laying out a proposal for calling for quote a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on: just moments ago news that trump is planning trip to the majority muslim nation of jordan. now that would be later this month. and right now trump's statement on banning muslims drawing huge criticisms, not just from democrats. but from his republican rivals and even g.o.p. leadership. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. >> this is not conservatism. >> and you