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hour not like yesterday when we disappeared. we will see you back in an hour. >> jon: "outnumbered" starts now. >> waiting word on the san bernardino attack. we are learning the couple who killed 14 people at the office holiday party last week was radicalized before they met online about two years ago. this is "outnumbered" i am harris faulkner. here is sandra smith, andrea tantaros, national review colummist catherine, and today's #oneluckyguy, the co-host of fox's red eye andy levy. >> it is great to be here. >> we have a lot to get to. let's start. we know the two suspects responsible for one of the worst terror attacks in united states history were radicalized long before they started dating online. that is the new information the fbi director gave testifying
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today at a senate hearing saying they spoke to each other of mart martyrdam and jihad as far back as 2013. this is looking into if farook planned an attack prior to one this week. johnathan hunt is live. >> reporter: stunning information from the director on capitol hill. this fact, according to the fbi direct, that tashfeen malik and syed rizwan farook were radicalized before they even got married, before they met online and certainly before they arrived in the united states. remember the photo of july 27, 2014 at chicago's airport. they arrived in the united
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states on that date and long brought into ideas of radical islam at that point. listen to the director: >> our investigation to date, which i can only say so much about it, indicates they were radicalized before they started dating online, and online as early as the end of 2013, they were talking to each other about jihad and martyrdom before getting engaged and living together in the united states. >> reporter: remember that tashfeen malik came into the united states on a k-1 visa, a fiance visa. i have to toss it back to you for breaking news. >> that is because the president is speaking. we knew this was going to happen on the 50th anniversary of the radification of the 13th amendment that abolished
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slavery. let's watch. >> we shall noblely save or lose the last best hope of earth. mr. speaker, leader, and members of both parties, distinguished guest, we gather to remember a century and a half of freedom. not just for former slaves but for all of us. today, the issue of slavery seems so simple, so obvious that it is wrong in every sense. stealing men, women and children from their homelands, stealing husbands from wife, parents from
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child, stripped and sold to the highest bidder, shackled in chains and bloodied with the whip. it is anthetical not only to our conception of human rights and d dignity but to our conception of ourselves. the people founded on the premise that all are created equally. and to many at the time, that jump was clear as well. preachers, black and white, railed against this moral outrage from the pulpit. former slaves rattled the conscious of americans in books and papers. people organized fundraising drives and conventions.
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farmers and shopkeepers opened their barns, cellars and way station on the underground railroad where african-americans risked their own freedom to insure the freedom of others. enslaved americans with no rights ran north and kept the flame burning passing it from one generation to the next with their faith and their dignity and their somber. the reformers passion wrestled slavey in a way we have with no other before or since. it shaped our politics, and nearly tore us apart.
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eventually war broke out. north against south. brother against brother. it is hard to the question of slavery never being about simply just civil rights. it was about the meaning of america. a kind of country we wanted to be. whether this nation fight fulfill the call of its earth. we hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal. they are endowed by their creator which certain inalienable recognizes and among those our life, liberty and
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pursuit of happiness. president lincoln understood that if we were ever to fully realize that founding promise it meant not just signing an amancipation proclamation or winninging a war, it meant making the most powerful collective statement we can in our democracy. etching our values into our constitution. he called it a king's cure for all the evils. 150 years proved the cure to be necessary but not sufficient. progress proved halting too often deferred. newly freed slaves may have been liberated by the letter of the law but their daily lives tells another tale.
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they could not protect themselves or their families from indignity. so abolishnist kept rallying and within a few years of the war ending we passed two more amendments guaranteeing voting and birth right citizenship and equal protection under the law and still it wasn't enough. for another century we saw segregation in jim crow making a mockery of these amendments and we saw justice turn a blind eye to mobs with nooses slung over trees. we saw bullets and bombs terrorize generations. and yet through all of this the
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call to freedom survived. we hold these truths to be self evident. a new generation rose up to march and organize and stand up and sit in on the moral force of non-violence and the songs they have rang out and called out for were, not special treatment, but equal rights and basic justice that was promised to them almost a century before. like the predecessors they were plain, humble ordinary people armed with little, but faith.
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faith in the almighty, faith in each other, and faith in amer a america. hope in the face of all evidence of the contrary that something better lay around the bend. because of them, maids and porters and students and farmers and priest and house wives, because of them, the civil rights law was passed and the voting rights law was signed and doors of opportunity swung open, not just for the black porter, but the white chamber maids and the immigrant dishwasher so they
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may imagine a life beyond wash someone's laundry or shining someone's shoes. freedom for you and for me. freedom for all of us. that is what we celebrate today. the long ark of progress. progress that is never assured or guaranteed but also possible and there to be earned. no matter how divided or despairing we may appear, no matter what ugliness may bubble up, progress so long as we are willing to push for it, so long
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as we are willing to reach for each other. we would do a disservice to those warriors of justice, douglas and tubman and lincoln and king, if we were to deny that the scars of our nation's original sin are still with us today. [applause] >> we condemn ourselves to shackles to those who fail to wonder if they are equals in the community or in their justice systems or in the job interview we betray the efforts of the
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pass if we fail to push back against bigotry in all of its forms. [applause] >> but we betray the most noble path if we were to deny the possibility of movement, the possibility of progress. if we were to let cynics consume us and fear overwhelm us. if we lost hope. for however slow, incomplete, harshly, loudly, rudely, challenged at each point along the journey, in america, we can
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create the change that we seek. all it requires is that our generation be willing to do what those who came before us have done, to rise above the cinism and fear to hold path to our values and see ourselves in each other, to cherish dignity and opportunity not just for our own children but for somebody else's child. to remember our freedom is bound up with the freedom of others regardless of what they look like or where they come from or what their last name is or what
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faith they practice. to the honorable -- [applause] >> to the honorable and alike in what we give and what we preserve. and to noblely save or lose the last best hope of earth. to nobaly save or mainly lose the last best hope of earth. that is our choice.
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today we affirm hope. thank you. may god bless the united states of america. >> that was the conclusion of the ceremony remembering the 150th anniversary of the radification of the 13th amendment which is abolishing slavery in the country. you heard the president leaving the history along with the future and words about the presence and making references to what is going on in our country right now with regard to the freedom of others, and how others are looked upon, and that is interesting. just to revisit a couple things the president said: he said the abolition of slavery was about the kind of country we wanted to be. we condemn ourselves to shackles and betray the efforts of the
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pass once more if we fail to push back against the bigotry in all of its forms. that might be a reference to the conversations going on in the country regarding the muslim citizens here. some of the conversation about how we secure ourselves as nation and keep people free in this country, too. you had a long list of speakers who spoke before the president did and interestingly that list ended with the house speaker, paul ryan, who has been pushing against some of the comments that donald trump has made, the gop presidential candidate, with regard to muslims. that is a topic when we continue on "outnumbered" coming right up so stay close.
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>> he says he has no regrets. donald trump defending his call. he told barbara walters his plan is the right thing to do but clarified it would not be permanent. >> it is short term while the country gets their act together.
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there are people that have bad intentions and we have to be tough, smart, and we have to be vigilant. >> his clarification is not slowing the controversy. municipal and community leaders in new york city holding an anti-trump rally. and the democratic mayor of philadelphia saying he wishes he had the power to ban trump from the city of brotherly love. it is not just democrats speaking out. republicans on capitol hill denouncing the comments as well. house speaker paul ryan and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said such a ban would be inconsistent with american values. all of this as a new poll taken almost entirely before this controversy shows trump dominating the first primary state of new hampshire with 32% holding a more than 2-1 lead over its closest rivals. we heard the president speaking about the 150th anniversary of
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the abolition of slavery and referencing the comments we heard from trump about muslims and the debate over the refuge program in this country. what do you make today? going back to trump's clar pharmaceutic clarification of the ban saying it is short-term. >> he needs to thing these things through before putting them out. when he originally said this, roll call with the hill, asked does that include american citizens and the spokesperson reply was he means everyone. and on gretta he had to walk that back. he is clarifying again. this is because he doesn't think it through.
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>> 68% of trump supporters say they would stick with him should he run for the white house as an independent. he never ruled out a third party run. his supporters are saying they will stick by him. >> i think it is higher than that even. people might be too embarrassed to admit they support trump. they support him no matter what. he doesn't have to apologize or think about what he says before he says it. he says you know what? i am right and let's make america great again and everyone goes yeah! and it goes away. >> it sounds like you are mocking him a bit but it seems to be working. >> it is working. >> he is tweeting out the latest usa today poll and that is what he has been doing. >> i have no idea why anyone is saying this is going to hurt him. this just helps him. he is saying what we are thinking but i don't know who is thinking that. but there are people. and i think he is maybe even
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going to be more poplar. >> is there anything that could hurt trump? this was seen as one of the most controversial remarks of the campaign. >> i don't think he should have used a religious test. what he is doing is not just dominating the news cycle. he is highlighting the weaknesses of the other republican candidates. candidates like marco rubio who before paris was pro-refuge. they are all over the map trying to walk it back. the message is no, we can't to donald trump on a problem that americans want answers to. that is not a good crowd for any politician. >> is this a good move for the gop to be speaking out against
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donald trump's comments? we heard paul ryan and mcconnell saying the ban is inconsistent. >> two things i heard: they talked specifically about if this will hurt or help trump. he is still soaking up the clarification round of media. if he is cleaning up he is atop the headlines and that is what the game is about and what has been helping him since june which was the last time anyone else was ahead of the pack. mike mccall a short time ago said these words are not helping. i am going to paraphrase him. i don't believe the proposal is constitutional. it is singling out religion. but then he said he hasn't endorsed anyone but will support
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whoever the nominee is. who else in the party soaked up this much lime light? >> and andy and andrea, do you believe he is going to make a third party run? >> i don't think he is going to make a third party run. i don't think he needs to. one point quickly on the gop speaker paul ryan who i like is not taking comments about this issue on his website. the gop is cowering in fear over this issue. they need to step up because republicans are running scare and this is why the base of the party is not happy with the establishment. >> i have to say everyone is talking about trump running as the dependent if he is not the n nominee. >> back to the top story, brand new information on the radical
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islamic killers. farook may have been planning another attack. and we know now that the couple had been radicalized for years before they met online. how they went unnoticed. and stunning revelations on the benghazi attacks. the pentagon offering military help during the first wave of attacks. the state department not responding. why? who wants to try? before earning enough cash back from bank of america to stir up the holidays, before earning 1% cash back everywhere, every time and 2% back at the grocery store, even before they got 3% back on gas, all with no hoops to jump through, daniel, vandi, and sarah decided to use their bank americard cash rewards credit card to sweeten the holiday season. that's the spirit of rewarding connections. apply online or at a bank of america near you.
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you say this is really important for us to know. why? sandra: these are two huge pieces of news on this story, the fbi is saying the couple was radicalized before they met online. that is one big piece of news out of this. also the fbi in this announcement said they would continue to work to understand the nature of the association with these foreign terror organizations they said they were working with and source of their inspiration which i thought was interesting. moving beyond that, investigators said they planned an attack prior to san bernardino. another news outlet is reporting that the couple was spooked because of the recent terror arrests in california and decided not to carry out that attack. i think going forward that is going to be a huge point, that needs to be made. they were deterred by local arrests. harris: right. which is why we can't back off. how do we go forward if we're not getting information that is 2 1/2 years old at this point? >> there are a couple of things. this is good reminder everything
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we hear after an event like what happened in san bernardino is suspect. we heard originally, oh, he was normal guy he met the woman and wife radicalized him. that now not seems to be case. people talk about how did we miss this? more most likely we miss i had it because we can't always find it. it's, that is not saying, if there are, if there were red flags -- harris: during the time of all the metadata. >> that is exactly right. you could argue maybe the bulk data collection maybe it was hard to find the needle in the haystack. harris: maybe. >> i don't know that. if there were red flags we should have known about, maybe there were, yeah we got to ask why they weren't follow up on and why can't we do better. the simple truth we can't stop every nutjob who wants to kill people. it is ugly truth but it is the truth. sandra: the question, catherine, was there enough there, was there enough there where authorities should have caught this?
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>> i don't know how but you would think it has to be always a long process. even if you believe in radical extremism there is a process between that and actually decide being to turn your apartment into a bomb factory, going out to commit mass murder. there is a process. somewhere in the process the anti-terrorism officials should be able to pick on something or else what are they doing? harris: this makes me think of something you said yesterday though, you were saying, andy, a lot of information we got early on certainly has not turned out to be true as they dig deeper into that their investigation. but where did we get a lot of information? from family members and witness. >> yeah. harris: andrea, you said you didn't feel like they did enough before letting people go to the scene back wherever and we hadn't done enough talking to people. andrea: question why the family members were not held in fbi custody and allowed to appear at press conferences with cair when they should have been interrogated.
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can we say they weren't dating? reporting -- there is not muslim mingle. not like jihad match or something like that. they teamed up to conduct this attack. this seems logical. look at weapons and pipe bombs and hundreds of rounds ever ammo. you knew because of trace gallagher's reporting they were up to something bigger because what they had in the apartment. we're not taking right steps. two big issues, one going after websites that allow terrorists to communicate, many of them encrypted. two the visa program. this could have been stopped. they have a take a closer look. in this country that is not the priority. the priority is, going after gun owners and people who speak ill of muslims and white house proved that after san bernardino with attorney general lynch's announcement and president's from the oval office. harris: quickly, this is still going on. comey is still testifying before the senate judiciary committee. this is coming down from the couple, possibly inspired by the islamic state savages. we're learning more. they may have been together.
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look at timing of that. as i pointed out, sandra, they may have tried to do something earlier. felt deterred what we were doing making arrests, we as americans. sandra: what we're learning, this is fox news reporting, that the information on the attack that was planned prior to this, that they apparently reportedly got spooked and didn't carry it out, we learned from interviews with farook's friend who legally purchased the weapons. so -- andrea: also radicalized and converted to islam. sandra: andrea you're making the case there was enough there? andrea: i think so. the neighbor was biggest key. the neighbor was too scared because of culture of political correctness. country is going look at all pretty red flags. when will we wake up? they're still not addressing the problem. at least they are in the house of representatives with this visa program. at least donald trump is starting dialogue about an important issue. harris: all right. a lot to be learned because we don't know for certain all that went on but for sure, the fbi
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director, james comey right now is dropping some news. he is bringing it. we'll continue to cover as he comes out of the testimony he is giving now on the hill. new questions about the response to the benghazi attack. we're learning the pentagon offered help for rescue mission. we thought this. now we know. it was never given the green light? why could that be? how it could affect hillary clinton's run for the white house. stay with us. ♪ feel a cold coming on? new zicam cold remedy nasal swabs shorten colds with a snap, and reduce symptom severity by 45%. shorten your cold with a snap, with zicam.
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forces that could move to benghazi. they are spinning up as we speak. the new details seems to contradict testimony from former defense secretary leon panetta who in 2013 told lawmakers there was no time for immediate response. the email came after the first wave of attacks on the complex but before the attack that killed ty woods and glen doherty, two private cia contractors. andy, we know from the emails, they said to president obama, go to sleep, we got it. why didn't we show up that night when the dod said we could scramble jets and can get there? >> there are two questions. i'm not sure information in this email is anything new. the house armed services committee release ad timeline in 2013 says exactly what this email, that the forces that could be in a position to move to benghazi had been identified and that leon panetta hadepare o deploy. the question remains why did
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they ever deploy? panetta said as you pointed out basically no time, by the time they got there it would be too late. that is the question we need to get into. but i don't think, i don't think -- andrea: that is not true. that is why we're still talking about this, sandra. they said there is no time. there was never, according to adam housley, never a lull in the firefight. there was never an excuse not to send rescuers. the united states of america never doesn't show up and leave a man behind. so why, when they didn't know the fight was going on for seven hours, why wouldn't they go in to get their guys? sandra: i'm not sure how you can say there is nothing new here. this clearly, clearly shows for those challenged notion that military assets were ready to go, andy, they were awaiting sign off from the state department and they never acted. this is further backup, we continue to hear from hillary clinton that everything was offered up. she did everything she could do and answered all the questions on this this is why people want this investigation to continue. and we still have questions -- >> i'm saying we knew this in
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2013. i also don't think it is news that hillary clinton lies. andrea: but still, kat, when you look at reporting that has been done, at the time, chairman mike rogers and house of representatives, his wife was on the ground in cia doing work where there were cia agents on the ground. she was a general contractor in benghazi. there were cia agents on the ground. over 30 agents reported. reports of potential gun-running happening. for some reason this state department did not want to draw attention to that. mike rogers, chairman rogers possibly cover something up in his report. democrats and republicans seemed not to ask tough questions to find out what happened? >> of course the government has power. it will use it, sometimes to cover things up that aren't convenient particularly if you're hillary clinton and trump can say whatever offensive things he wants, no one cares, people are so used to all her scandals i people don't care anymore. people are sick of benghazi no
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♪ harris: growing up sometimes can be very tough. now a new government survey girls have it even harder than boys when it comes to being bullied. girls are twice as likely to be victims of cyberbullying as boys with two in 10 compared to being bullied on line compared to one in 10 boys. so bad, the popular app, after-school, which lets teenagers poet images and comment anonymously take as step step. it has a staff to look at each post before it is published. kathryn, you say it was bad before this for some kids. >> it is one app. don't need intergnat all to be bullied. one girl would tell me to eat the lunch on floor so she could
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sit down. girls, boys never did that to me either. boys ignored me. i think a lot of it is girls bullying other girls. girls always have it worse. there is still whole rest of internet and being able to tell someone to eat their lunch on floor. >> you think if you had seen "star wars" people wouldn't bully you. >> no. i think it was my mullet. sandra: that is different type of bullying. cyberbullying, don't have to put a face or do it in person. that was different. this, as i understand it, is, can be much more harsh and difficult for these teenagers to deal with. >> this is one app though. there is still the whole rest of the internet to be anonymous and bully someone if you want to. >> you're right. there is the online disinhibition effect, if you're not talking to someone face-to-face you're more likely to be a jerk. harris: that is in life period. >> no, absolutely. that's what we're seeing online and add anonymity on top of
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that, it will increase that effect. harris: you don't have to be a parent to understand. you once to have been a child to understand that it hurts, those words hurt. they can last a long time. now with the internet, they can last forever potentially. 55% of those asked in the survey done about it department of health and they talked with 120,015-year-olds, that is enormous study on this topic, 55% said they were bullied in some form past two months. that is a lot of hate moving around. andrea: i don't think it is just kids but definitely rise in social media and people many becoming more mean. harris: why do you that? police officers talk about road rage. andrea: you can be, right, can have the anonymity if you want it. but talking to a woman who polled millenials. she said remember before if you were going to lie to your best friend and go to the mall with another girl, it was not likely you would get caught, maybe at
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pizza shop if someone saw you. now everyone is watching what everyone else is doing on social media. i thought you weren't friends with her? you said something negative. posted picture on instagram. you liked her photo. how dare you like her photo. i thought we were friends? causing meltdowns with young girls. making them meaner. sandra: there is idea how they're dealing with. people like kat that it made you a strong, confident woman. it doesn't always end up that way. one in 10 teenagers tried cannabis. three in five drinking full alcoholic beverage. that is bigger concern. harris: to eat it or not to eat it. food in the fridge looks good. the wrapper says it expired days ago. your spouse still wants to eat it. bickering between couples. battle over the sell-by date,
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you look at sell by date on the milk and think it has gone bad but your partner however says, it is perfectly fine. so who's right? well a new survey shows nearly half of consumers chuck the food after the sell by or best buy date typically because they fear getting sick. but according to the agriculture department those dates are actually set by the manufacturer to indicate food at peak quality. sandra smith, you have very strong opinions about this? sandra: i do. i will go through my refrigerator periodically, look for the date at which something expired. i look for the expiration, not the sell by. sell by leave it in the refrigerator. expiration date i adhere to i chuck it. my husband, on other hand, does not matter to him. he will eat it if it is expired. andrea: andy? >> go through my fridge periodically throw out stuff that expired. i threw out milk that expired two years ago. andrea: eww. >> i think i'm really good. the smell test is the key here, right?
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you smell, if it smells okay -- andrea: what you have olfactory issues and -- harris: what if your nose isn't working? >> that is your own problem. thing as celebrity myself i'm not eating food past the peak date. i don't deserve that i deserve to be -- harris: who is he? andrea: i buy breakfast every morning. never have time toilet the. carry it around in my purse. ii have a yogurt in my bag. put it bag in the my refrigerator, i see day two i eat it. >> that is delicious. andrea: i'm look woman who drank amazon water and lived to tell the tale. good story, right? harris: my husband likes to eat things possibly moving in the fridge. >> i love people are arguing about this though, seems like weird thing. i'm single, i eat as expired food as i want to. andrea: go, girl. eat that moldy yogurt.
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>> nasty, moldy food. can't stop me. i will skip on out of here. andrea: eat that mold, kat. we're staying right here for "outnumbered overtime." log on to foxnews.com/ot. back here tomorrow on noon eastern. "happening now" starts right now. >> they are looking into whether farook asked his neighbor to buy guns for him to not bring attention to himself. the safety of america takes center stage on capitol hill. and how the terror attacks could change the way visa and passports are issued. and murder of a well liked socialite on a quiet estate outside of new york

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