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the closing bell is ringing on wall street now. we are 200 points off the high of the session. oil is up a little bit, but the market is down. neil cavuto with the best in business starting right now. this is fox news channel. as early as the end of 2013, they were talking to each other about jihad and martyrdom. they were also inspired by foreign terrorist organizations. we're also working very hard to understand whether there was anybody else involved with assisting them, with supporting them, we quipping them. and we are working very hard, did they have other plans? >> well, now we know. those two were not just sort of recent radicalized muslims, were they? not by a long shot. welcome, everybody. i'm neil cavuto. you're watching "your world." this much we learned from the fbi director speaking on capitol hill that not only, not only were we learning that farook and
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his wife were radicalized, they could have been radicalized for years. going back to 2012, technically before isis became what it is today, in other words before isis was isis, what's more is early as 2013 they were talking about martyrdom and jihadism and self-sacrificing their own lives for cause. now we're still working to find out, this is coming from mr. comey, whether others were involved. but it is safe to say these guys were busy trying to cover their tracks. adam housen in san bernardino with more. >> reporter: the case continues to be made, the connections continue to be built about this radicalization. we first reported yesterday and then comey confirmed today in the senate hearing, what we have learned today that tashfeen's family in pakistan is being looked at closely. pakistani officials are cooperating in helping to look specifically at their bank transactions to see if there was any suspicious movement of money in the recent months,
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specifically. also, i was told by one very close to this, the visa she came in on is very much in question. they have never seen it. i have not met one agent who has ever seen a woman coming from a very conservative muslim family whose ever come to the u.s. on a fiance visa. it doesn't happen very often. that points to them and leads them to believe there was some sort of possible plan in place and they are still going down that path as well. meantime, we're learning also according to multiple federal sources that evidence early on was gathered on one of the hard drives and another hard drive was smashed up pretty well. also, the info has been gathered from cell phones. the info shared with me so far shows that within the digital footprint, syed had hatred of israel and poised these well before isis e merged. this attack has not yet connected or been connected to any terror cells that might be
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here in the u.s. >> we are looking at obviously in san bernardino was there anybody else involved in assisting them. it's separate from san bernardino, we have not seen this, we have not seen isil's cells or networks in the united states. so far as we can tell, they have not succeeded in penetrating our borders with their operatives. >> reporter: they are also looking at whether or not any of tashfeen's family came here for the wedding that took place. also looking at whether or not there's a possibility of other locals that were radicalized, talking to them, i was told others were communicating and they won't expand on that. when talking about a domestic investigation, a lot more people place their attention on u.s. media. and the fbi team has been dispatched to europe specifically for this case. now we know fbi agents are already in europe working this case, but it sounds like it may be some sort of specialized team headed there.
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again, the connection continuing to build, not only here locally but really around the globe. neil? >> if they are finding evidence that these guys were smashing hard drives, any record or history of what they were doing and who they were talking to, that normally means a communication of some sort. that doesn't mean necessarily with isis, but it means there's an electronic trail of some sort, right? >> reporter: you hit that point. we talked about this last week a little bit. and the agency continued to hit this as well. obviously when investigating a case there are certain things to point themsves out right away. as one told me last friday, you don't destroy computers, you don't destroy cell phones if you're talking to each other. and they do believe they are communicating via skype as well. so they are obviously very early on believing that and continue to believe there are connections overseas. there are significant datapoint there is. how deep does that go? we may never know. if the money goes into the system, it's almost impossible to track. if it's been moved around a bunch of times, it could be hard to track. the main money still may come from the u.s., but they do believe there's a money trail
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and communication trail that leads to the middle east. they just don't know how deep it goes. >> adam, good reporting, as always, out of california. the problem the fbi director has been saying is the encrypted communications that make it very difficult for intelligence agencies to find out what's going on. chief intelligence correspondent katherine herridge on this. >> reporter: director comey said terrorists are using encrepted technology in greeting numbers giving them unparalleled ability to communicate and making it almost impossible for agents to figure out exactly what they are saying. we also learned more about the isis-inspired shooting in texas last may. a template for how the domestic terrorism cases go down. the gunman elton simpson wounded a security guard before police shot and killed him. both men there inspired by isis to take out a mohommad-inspired drawing contest. they used encrypted
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communications. in one case, one of the suspects sent 109 hidden messages to the other. now not the fbi nor the company behind the encrypted apps have unlocked the messages and their content to this day. >> our ability to monitor them has not kept pace. in fact, it's going in the wrong direction. so our ability to find people hiding in the united states looking to do bad things, to root out all kinds of organized criminal actors is steadily being impaired. that's the problem. >> reporter: so with the hearing, a new focus on tashfeen malik and the fake address in pakistan on her application and whether she had an interview by a u.s. government authority, which the fbi director said is a requirement to get the visa. >> malik, was she actually given an interview in the k-1 process, and do we know that? >> i don't know well enough to say at this point. i no e the process requires it. we are still trying to fully
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understand all her contacts. >> reporter: though the head of the u.s. immigration service also testified on capitol hill saying interviews are only required in cases where there's evidence that agents feel need to be further exploited. so we are doing our best to deconflict testimony over whether there has to be an interview to get this k-1 visa. >> thank you very much. we are looking into what happened and who was behind it, if anybody else was behind it. rob o'neal is joining us now. rob is the guy who helped kill osama bin laden. very good to have you, my friend. what do you make of this and all the back and forth about what we can't get right now because the encryption and all the rest makes it impossible to decipher? >> well, neil, this is one of those times where you need to pretty much decide as an american citizen what is important. yes, we want our privacy and our freedom, but we also want our
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fine folks at the fbi and other government agencies to be able to find what they are doing. so we need help from google and apple, even making these playstations and all kinds of new software to assist the government -- when they find someone that's communicating encrepted with someone in syria and saudi arabia, they need to give them some way of finding the encryption. because it's going to save lives. when all is said and done, that's important. >> i don't know much how it works with lawyers and sending out warrants for that kind of stuff, but you would think a judge at any time of the day would grant authorities on the us is spi suspicion of something afoot of monitoring or whatever they call it. >> they will get those, like you said, the judge will be reasonable. the american -- >> it takes time. >> it does take time, but i think one of the problems right
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now is just there's so much out there to go through. they need to get a little bit of profiling that needs to be in there. they know who the bad guys are. the american public needs to realize this is not a movie and nobody cares about what you're saying to your mother in south carolina over thanksgiving. they are looking for the real threats and know who they are and need to be given latitude to do the job safely. >> some of these comments that the fbi director was making today that farook and malik were radicalized, many years ago, maybe before there was isis as we know isis today, it got me thinking that, wait a minute, if this was in the works for a long, long time pre-isis, then we've got a whole bunch more problems in our country with the terrorist threat than just those who might or might not be alerted with the terror group at the moment. >> well, there's a great chance that these two farook and malik
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were radicalized by their own by different groups. >>. who would do that? let's say they are not getting radicalized back home as the suspicion was with malik. and, of course, if you think about the case of farook, he was here, a u.s. of the born citizen, he was presumingly radicalized over the internet or whatever. that's even scarier. >> it's scary but people just say, before isis, this has been going on a long time before isis. i mean, in 1993 we were hit in beirut, al qaeda came out in the '90s because of what we did in saudi arabia to help the kuwaitees. the ideology has been there the entire time. they just changed the name. before isis was isis, it was al qaeda in iraq. and al-zarkawi pledged allegiance to bin laden. the ideology has been there, it's just a question of what they call it. it's a certain form of radicalized islam.
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it will happen on the borders of pakistan, in mecca, in san bernardino. we need to recognize the problem and then deal with the problem. >> thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. back to chicago where we have the protests going on. rahm emanuel earlier today, they are calling for his resignation, but he apologized over the shooting of the young african-american male killed 14 months ago. that hate is coming to light within the last few weeks indicating that it is not enough to the protesters chanting things like, "whose city is it?" it's gotten ugly and ugly and uglier. mike token is standing by. we'll go to him shortly. this is happening on michigan avenue. that's kind of like their madison avenue or fifth avenue in new york, a key busy shopping
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district, of course, with the christmas season and holiday shopping season, this is the time you don't want to be disrupting that. so for chicagoans already dealing with the highest sales tax in the nation and a business downturn, it's gone from bad to worse. mike tobin, what is it looking like there? >> reporter: well, they took it off michigan avenue to oak street, known for high-end boutiques. right here on dolce&golbana. this is where the fancy people come to eat, if you will. it is very interesting they took to the demonstrations unlike ferguson and baltimore, they took the demonstrations out of their troubled neighborhoods of inglewood back to the west side of chicago. and they brought it here to where the money is. they brought it here to where people are going to pay attention. certainly a different crowd of people will pay attention. we have hundreds of demonstrators out on the street right now. you mentioned before, what they are demanding, there's a long list of demands, that boil down
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to demand for the resignation of the state's attorney, anita alvarez, and the resignation of rahm emanuel. when you're talking about the state's attorney, she's up for election in march. this kind of momentum could continue through the particular election. rahm emanuel has another three years until he's up and there isn't a legal mechanism on the books to get a seated mayor out of office in the city of chicago. there's one organization that started a petition drive, which they want to take to aldermen here in the city of chicago to try to pass a law, but if you pass that law or pass that ordinance, it would ultimately need the signature of the mayor to become law. neil? >> this latest protest, is it frustration from the protest a few weeks ago outside the chicago board of trade, saying there should be a penny tax or some sort of a surtax on all trade to help shore up badly depleted services and to help deal with budget deficits there out of control?
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you have junk bonds ruling the roost in the windy city. sounds like a mess there. >> reporter: it is a terrible mess. and on top of everything, you have the schoolteachers who have just started to vote today on whether they will go on strike. the primary beef of the schoolteachers is they don't want to contribute 7% to their pension fund. the problem with the pension fund, the daly administration quoting chicago magazine went as long as a decade without paying into the pension fund. the pension fund is broke. there's no money to satisfy the demands of the teachers and they are voting on whether they go on strike. the mayor is looking at these kind of demonstrations every day. mayor rahm emanuel has a lot of problems. >> mike, stay safe in the middle of this mess in chicago. the crowds building bigger and bigger. they have a right to protest, but do not assume if you are in the shopping thoroughfares that you have a right to shop. today at this hour at this moment in the windy city, you do not. stick around. i've smoked a lot and quit a lot, but ended up nowhere.
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i'm very happy where i am. the people, the republican party, the people have been phenomenal. the party, i'll let you know about that. and if i don't get treated fairly, i would certainly consider that. >> all right, donald trump this morning after the whole heap of attacks he's gotten from virtually all the republican candidates, maybe besides ted cruz. the bottom line is, when asked, if donald trump runs as an independent, would you tistill vote for him? two out of three said yes if he's a third-party threat. here's charlie gasparino and whether that could affect the funding and the whole complexion of the race. that would be a big deal, wouldn't it? >> it would be a big deal, but we should point out, he's going to have to spend money. ross perot spent $100 million and you have to get on ballots in state. >> over a number of deadlines
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have passed. >> right. so it won't be that easy, but donald is rich. if he wants to spend the money, he can. you know, i think the republicans are making a huge tactical mistake by following the lead of the buzz feed or "the new york times," and calling donald an all-out racist. people that know him know he's not. he may have said comments, but with all due respect, president roosevelt, the greatest liberal of the last 100 years had internment camps. and all he really said was, let's take a break from bringing in certain people. i don't like it. >> you and i were chatting about this, i think his poll numbers will go up. a lot of americans are anxious, whether or not it goes against the constitution, dick cheney and others have talked about that, and we'll talk to james rossen in a second. but i wonder whether this has gone too far in terms of the criticism and the piling on he's gotten, the racist thing, the
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nazi thing, the over-the-top snickering from the mainstream media. don't you feel like -- would you just shut up? >> let's have a debate about immigration without being called a racist for once. let's have a debate about the issues without being called a racist. let's be clear here, when you are -- you come here and raise your right hand and severe allegiance to the constitution of the united states, if you are a strict -- if you strictly adhere to sharia law, will you ever be loyal to the constitution of the united states? it's something to consider here. >> here's the thing, i'm not saying -- i covered the guy from 30 years ago, he's not a racist. i do want to switch gears if you don't mind, we'll talking about what is going on in chicago. they are urging rahm e man you'll e
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manuel to get out of town. how bad is this? obviously, chicago paper and the rest of the world worry about tax and debt, and a lot of debt. what do you think? >> listen, i reported on your show, your fbn show earlier in the week. >> if you don't get you should demand. >> you should demand because wall street is pushing this paper on investors. the prices are actually going -- >> why are they doing that, charlie? >> listen. if you ask the typical salesman, they are salesmen, they say chicago gives you a high interest rate. and guess what? it's a great city and they have a lot of infrastructure. you want to know something? what they said about the new york city debt in 1973 before it nearly went bankrupt in 1974 and 1975. if you are in the average investors, be weary of this place. i'm not saying chicago will go bankrupt now, but this has the feeling or the feel of detroit five years ago. this has the feel of puerto rico
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five years ago. and those are two -- puerto rico is on the vernal of default. detroit did default to some extent. you have all the issues here. >> you have all the elements there. all right, buddy. charlie, thank you very much. we'll keep an eye on it. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is here. lease the 2015 gs350 with complimentary navigation system for these terms. see your lexus dealer.
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you noted this yourself, mr. chairman, the syrian kurds to the north have done an excellent job of clearing their territory. >> we are not going into raqqah and you and i know that. >> no, they are not going into raqqal. it would be the syrian arabs. >> with the attacks on the homeland of the united states of america, we have not contained isil. >> bottom line, and coming from
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the defense secretary of the united states, yes, still a threat, isis, isil, whatever you want to say. and the bad guys are still out there and possibly something bad could happen as one dick cheney predicted. in fact, just a few days ago, the former vice president was talking to a colorado christian university group when he said, and i quote, an attack on the united states akin to that at pearl harbor is inevitable. all right. the guy literally wrote the book on the guy i'm talking about, james rosen. he went one-on-one with dick cheney. and the former vice president, granted unusual access, to ten hours of chatting. >> that's right. good to see you, neil. >> good to see you. what have you learned of the so-called darth vader you have? about whether he overdid it and overscared people, given the
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whole nine yards. >> first of all, this book "cheney one-on-one." >> very good to repeat the title. >> in this book, cheney opens up more than he has in any interview setting. i promise your viewers and listeners, if you love him, hate him, you're going to learn how this man's mind works and how his influence has been. no, he doesn't think he overscared the country. after 9/11, he completely reoriented the way he does business and the united states did, too. >> did he change completely? george bush sr. said he was kind of going overboard. >> t this is a man who stood at the pinnacle of power for four decades through 9/11 and iraq and beyond. and dick cheney himself doesn't see that his career should be a big dividing line drawn in the middle of it that divides him into moderate cheney or iron-ass
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cheney. he's the same dick cheney throughout history and had one of the most consistent voting records and still would be judged so today on that and is very proud of that. but after 9/11 he recognized the united states needed to put itself on a war footing and did so and george w. bush did so and they are very proud of the fact that america was not hit again in his administration. >> i know your books are concurrent, but did you hear if he was hurt on the comments that george bush sr. did steering us down this path? >> george bush sr. had this path of criticizing his successors in office. george w. bush also did that. bill clinton did not. it will be telling to see what barack obama decides to do. but now via jon meacham, we have the special --
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>> it was a bad blurb. >> well, i was grateful for it. we now have george h.w. bush being tougher in historical record on cheney and rumsfeld than he was on clinton and obama. >> but i think he was talking about is did cheney change? 9/11 will do that to you. but too much so to the point of becoming this dark, ominous character that just looked at danger everywhere. >> well, cheney has said that he takes the iron-ass comment as a badge of honor. but in his own mind, he's the same dick cheney bringing the same westerners dry, iconic whit and national thinking. >> when you talk about christianity, a lot of people read into that, that maybe he feels guilty about what happened. >> not at all. first of all, religion was the one subject he said in advance he doesn't like to pursue in great depth, but even there in this book, we covered religion in greater depth than he ever has in any other setting, talking about his sunday school experiences at the methodist
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church in wyoming. his denominational migrations over the years. and his innermost beliefs in his faith. to hear dick cheney who has been through five heart attacks and a heart transplant nearing 74, in his own study, he said, i'm a christian and believe in a life thereafter. it was very striking stuff and wasn't a product of any sense of guilt. >> he never wanted to be president? all those years he was vice president, considered by many the most powerful vice president we ever had, liberals say he was the president. in fact, barack obama said that. >> in response to this interview. >> never? >> no. and the word that dick cheney used with me was the word central. he said it was central to his good relationship with george w. bush in the white house. >> he maintains that? >> there was strain but by and large there's a good working relationship. they were never buddy-buddy. when i asked dick cheney at one point, do you miss him? he said, do i miss him? i said, yes, do you miss him?
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he said, i can reach out and touch him any time i want. >> is that his hug moment right there? >> central to the relationship was the fact that cheney had foresworn any future for the presidency. when president bush got advice from dick cheney, he knew it was without one eye being cast and how that would hurt dick cheney in the iowa caucuses. so he could trust the counsel he received. >> he still told you and groups this week on the anniversary of pearl harbor it will happen again? >> he believes there's going to be a serious military crisis that one or two presidents will face. he further believes barack obama's stewardship of the military made it less and less likely to confront that threat adequately. >> amazing. "cheney one-on-one" is a great book. james had unusual access here. you did an outstanding job. and it does show you another light on the guy in the
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our government apparently didn't catch the false address in pakistan that she listed on her application. >> that might be an understatement. we are learning with this woman who was behind the attacks last week. she was able to fool a lot of people. tashfeen malik even got the pakistani government to write off on a number of lies and inconsistency. and the fact she might have had a radicalized past even there. so much we don't know, but that's where they are trying to pursue this whole visa waiver bill to try to make sure that these marriage visas that oftentimes quickly are granted to those who are going to marry someone who is already an american citizen and even if they come from a risky neck of the woods be allowed to do so. the danger is that we are not dotting our i's and crossing our
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t's. joe manchin is joining us now, good to have you back with us. >> good to be with you, neil. >> they want to tighten this thing up, i guess, you were for the process early on. update me on your thoughts on this. >> early on when i heard that basically with all this migration going on and immigration and people leaving syria, the president said we're going to take 10,000. i sent a letter to say, mr. president, you know, the only thing i'm asking is do not short-circuit the vetting process. now the vetting process for refugees is much different than the visa waivers. once we start looking into everything, we found out we had 23,000 refugees from syria trying to get the status to come to the country since 2011. 7,000 war veterans. only 23000 didn't have problems there. then start looking at visa
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waivers. we have 20 million people traveling to america just last year. and with that we have very little background and knowledge. >> and the refugee situation, sometimes in guaranteeing the voracity of goodwill we don't have anything to go on. at least with the pakistani potential terrorist case, we had pakistan giving the seal of approval she was okay with the turnout when she wasn't. if that's what happens with a documented check versus someone who has no supporting documents, what the heck do you do? >> neil, i believe we are going to move towards a biometrics scan mandatory. you can change your name, you can change your appearance, you can't change who you are through biometrics. if we have those scans and they are done properly by the embassy, our embassies all over these countries that we have favored nation treatments with, then we're able to make sure that we know who is coming to
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the country. >> you might know who is coming, but biometric check or not isn't going to flash whether that person is radicalized, right? and both of these cases, we had indication of less of a point, because he was already a citizen, but we certainly had indications that he and her were radicalized years before, before there was even isis. and no biometric system is going to pick up on that, right? >> biometrics is much needed. i can assure you that we need biometrics and we need more screening. we have to have our nato countries kick in. our favorite countries have to kick in. >> how do you feel about pakistan? everyone is focused on making sure those in syrian and iraq expand the pool, pakistan might be one of them. what do you say? >> absolutely. my goodness, if you look at pakistan, it says birthplace of the taliban and al qaeda. i mean, my goodness, you don't have to look far to see the concern there and we should have
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what concern, rightfully so. neil, i don't know -- closing down, i am not supporting donald trump's suggestion to close down and stop every muslim from coming. i do think we have to be smarter. you look back at 9/11, you and i remember back when they used to walk up to the airport and planes, very little screening. that all changed for the security of our nation. we are willing to change now. we didn't shut everything down, we didn't stop flying and going different places in the world. we just did it smarter and we have to continue to do it much better. that's what we're saying with the checks and with the whole background checks and the scanning and the biometrics. use all the technology you have. >> it's better than what we have now, you're right about that. senator, thank you for taking the time. senator joe manchin. ing down on isis funds, that's one thing. the fact that it doesn't cost a lot of money to do what they do is another thing. and then there's the issue that
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all right. it is way too early to say whether anyone helped syed farook or tashfeen malik. the fbi director comey today said there's no way to know right now, but there's no way to know one way or the other, but imagine if that was the case, talking and being in concert with isis, radicalized already, anger as all get out at the united states and israel. you're willing to finance terror on your own, maybe with a little
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push from isis, but no money from isis. that's dangerous. the former homeland security adviser to george w. bush said that should be an eye-opener as well. fran, good to have you here. >> good to be here. >> this couple did everything on their own. i'm thinking of all the other individuals, couples, radicalized, anyone in this country that would think the same thing. >> you realize it doesn't take a lot of money, first of all. >> yeah, you're right about that. >> it didn't take a lot. and actually, this couple, it's not like they had a lot of wealth, but they didn't need a lot of wealth. they accumulated over time the guns and ammunition. you know, the materials for the pipe bombs, it wasn't an expensive process. >> and they accrued it over time. he got a loan, that's not so unusual. look into that, especially a subprime loan, you can get money. and i don't think he was too worried about paying it back. having said that, if there's so
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much energy and jazz for the cause, then isis doesn't have to send them a check, right? >> that's right. you know, isis doesn't need to cross the border to inspire recruits. >> how are they inspiring them? obviously, there's social media sites and sort of bringing people in -- >> the social media sites are really incredible. the number of twitter accounts that they have where they push out these propaganda videos and these training manuals. we know the pipe bombs had the same sort of attributes of the al qaeda magazine inspired of how to build these in your house. >> they actually do. >> exactly right. >> here's what i don't understand, and you know far more about this than i do, but i used to like the columbo series and i'm scratching my head. it doesn't add up. if they are acquiring thousands of rounds of ammunition, all the pipe bombs, there were maybe a dozen more, all the ied stuff, obviously it's going to go beyond what they did in california last week.
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>> for sure. >> i can't imagine them planning to do that similarly just by themselves. or am i missing something? >> well, it's hard to imagine, clearly they planned to go back, reload up, if you will, with additional ammunition and pipe bombs. >> they had no intention of dying that day. >> that's right. >> i don't think they had intentions -- their 6-year-old, there was no intention of not seeing him. >> no, even at the community center where they did the horrific shooting, they had ieds, pipe bombs remotely ready to go off. they just failed. so they planned to get the first responders in sort of a second wave before they went out, reloaded with more ammunition and went out to do something else. so they clearly were not finished yet. but for the phenomenal work of the san bernardino police -- >> that was another weird thing, when we talk about the police chatter when this was first going down, they knew who -- syed farook was, were familiar.
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we don't know how but there seemed to be -- the fbi says that's not the case. but i don't know, it sounded like in the back and forth there was, oh, yeah -- so if that was the case, i hear a lot of talk about the chatter, you look at that, you hear that, what is chatter? what do you go on? >> so oftentimes what you'll hear are signals intelligence, electronic intercepts on the phone of somebody else. and you hear this ambiguous language sounding like they are planning an attack. but when intelligence says we have nothing credible, we don't know it's going to be at thursday on third and main at 5:00. that's what specific and credible is. anything on the short of that, a discussion about an attack, the sort of thinking about we wish we could do an attack, that's chatter. the government officials can't do much about that because it's not -- >> the closer to specifics, credible or prompting your highest color alert, this president did away with that.
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now they are going back to something, i still don't understand what it is, but do we need to color code or will people get freaked to it? >> you know, i will tell you, neil, having looked at -- i ran it during the bush administration. when this administration first came in, secretary napolitano at dhs asked me to participate in looking at it. i think the american people find it confusing. it sort of tells them, you're telling me to be worried but not telling me what to do about it. what's more useful for this is for the government to signal law enforcement what measures they're supposed to step up. if there's a particular kind of threat. and that sort of pre-arranged with your state and local partners, it is very easy and very effective. the secretaries say we're going to a critical level, whatever the level. and that means to increase security at transportation hubs or critical infrastructure. and so in the sense of inside the law enforcement community it can be useful, i don't think the american people find it very
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useful. >> well, it's better than nothing. fran, thank you so much. fran townsend doing so much to keep us safe in those years, seems like a long time ago. sho. i'll tell you exactly who, when, what. real numbers, real data after this. ♪ and then santa's workers zapped it right to our house. and that's how they got it here. cool. the magic of the season is here at the lexus december to remember sales event. this is the pursuit of perfection. ♪ hi, tom. how's the college visit? does it make the short list? yeah, i'm afraid so. it's okay. this is what we've been planning for. knowing our clients personally is why edward jones is the big company that doesn't act that way.
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you want to know who going to win iowa? we have the influential iowa conservative. bob vander platz, his first interview nationally will be with us. and we'll discuss it. keep in mind as the presidential
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historian has reminded me, whether you like this particular individual or not, he has crowned the last two winners of those iowa caucuses. that was rick santorum, prior to that, it was mike huckabee. larry sabato. his endorsement will go a long way today's deciding those caucuses, won't it? >> it's an important endorsement. he's gotten the last two caucuses correct. which is a better record than yours, neil. as i remember. >> is that necessary? >> it wasn't necessary, but i had to inject it. >> you're lucky i think the world of you, because otherwise i would be crying right now. but let me ask you, i mean we talk about iowa and certainly his influence, he's a remarkable fellow and the influence, is obviously potent. because obviously every candidate wants to kiss his ring and see what he decides.
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a big factor in his thinking is that religious fervor, the commitment to god, what have you. donald trump had come under some criticism, because he had said some things that were going to rattle the bible belt crowd, if you will. thinking that he couldn't come up with a reason to ask god's forgiveness. that annoyed some there. how important will that be in his selection process that it's zeroing in on somewhat of a religious right candidate? >> neil, i think it is a factor in his, in his decision-making. obviously i can't mind-read. i will be surprised if he doesn't endorse ted cruz. some of his closest associates have endorsed cruz. and for the reason you cite, i will be very surprised if he does endorse donald trump. you know, cruz is moving up in iowa, the polls differ on this. it depends on who is surveyed and when and how. but it looks like cruz is moving up nicely. and while trump may be
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maintaining the lead there, everybody is keeping an eye on cruz. so -- >> that wasn't the case four years ago, right? he wasn't following the polls, that was advancing, maybe a little bit with huckabee. but certainly there was nothing to indicate that santorum would do well. that endorsement did help and unfortunately santorum didn't capitalize on it because it wasn't known for days. what do you think of that? >> well actually even in huckabee's case, it wasn't really clear until very close to the caucuses that he was doing well enough to win. and he actually won running away. so you know, i think this will be an interesting discussion and i'll certainly be tuning in for it. >> will you be tuning in for the fox business debate on january 14th? >> absolutely. looking forward to it. >> that was very condescending. you didn't mean a word of it. >> i did, too. >> it was a swipe of your professorial hand. but thank you, my friend, it's
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. this is a fox news alert. protests have erupted in chicago over last year's fatal police shooting of a black teen. demonstrator are demanding mayor rahm emanual step down. we'll have a live report from chicago a little later this hour. i'm greg gutfeld, we're here today with kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams, eric bolling and dana perino. this is "the five" . so director of national intelligence, james clapper, told congressman michael mccall that isis is now using the refugee stream to come here. which is odd, since the white house dismissed such claims, but what else is new? thehi

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