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we will see you right here 3:00 eastern, noon pacific on fox news channel. as the news breaks out, we will break in. a special edition of the o'reilly factor tonight. >> it's the factor's most compelling. >> how how much time did you spend talking to each of them, a boy and a girl. >> a boy and girl. >> about the actual crime. >> when i ask them questions i let them know there is no question they can't ask me. >> life has not been easy for taya keil. the wife of the "american sniper." she will tell us her story this evening. killing jesus, the movie based on my book by the same name was a huge success. kelsey grammer has a lot to say about his role as king her rod. >> people are going to be so surprised how evil you are in this movie. you are an evil guy. i wrote you evil and you played it evil. >> also actor gary sinise on
why he is so passionate about helping american wounded vets. >> really the vietnam era veterans educated me as a young man about what they had been through and how terrible it was for them to come home. >> caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. ♪ ♪ hi, i'm bill o'reilly thank you for watching me our most compelling segments. look back at some of the most memorable interviews we have done. begin with actor and compatriot who had has devoted most of his life helping american vets. he has the band lieutenant band raising money for the gary sinise foundation. we asked him all about these things.
>> you know, i'm doing various fundraisers and the band fundraiser so, it's maybe 35 concerts a year. >> all right. so almost every weekend if you are doing 35. that's a lot. ♪ ♪ >> now, explain, a foundation, i have a foundation named after my parents. you have a foundation. what does your foundation do? >> it's a military support charity. that's what it is. i have been involved with veterans going back to the 80's and after i played the wounded veteran in forrest gump in the 1990s, i got very involved with our
wounded. >> get your hands down. do not salute. them snipers all around this area who would love to grease an officer. i'm lieutenant dan welcome to fort platoon. >> we needed help with iraq and afghanistan supporting our men and women so i volunteered for the uso, started going out there and helping military charities like the independence fund. i got involved with them. >> like the track chairs and everything like that. >> i got involved with them in 2008. >> your foundation yourself it, gives money, it does what? >> well, one of the programs that we have is called rise, restoring independence, supporting empowerment. that means we want to provide especially adapted housing for our wounded veterans. >> okay. >> mow bibility devices, track chairs that kind of thing. adapted vehicles. >> right. >> we want to do things that will empower them and give them their independence back. >> that's very, very important. you played an amputee in forrest gump. >> what are you doing here? >> well, i thought i would
try out my sea legs. >> well, you ain't got no legs lieutenant dan. >> yes, i know that. >> and then you got to talk to some of the vets and you got, i guess, empathy. is that the word empathy for them that you felt it was your mission to do this? >> partially. and i had been involved with vietnam veterans groups going back to the 80s so is i have very serious compassion. >> what was it that attracted you to the military side of it. >> the military in my family first of all. my side of the family, world war i, world war ii. korea era and my wife's side of the family vietnam era. it was real lit vietnam era veterans that educated me as a young man about what they had been through and how terrible it was for them to come home when we started deploying to iraq and afghanistan. i just -- i didn't want to see that happen. >> now, you weren't in the military yourself, right? >> no. >> and i didn't serve either. i can't say that i did nearly as a much as you do
for the military, but certainly we have raised millions of dollars for the track chairs here as the folks know. when do you these things, it's hard sometimes, i mean, it's hard because you are a busy guy, a successful actor. you live out on the west coast. you have got a family to take care of. yet, you are out all the time. all right. does that ever weigh on you? >> well, it does. but there is a lot of satisfaction, also, when you see that you can do something to help somebody. >> absolutely. >> there is a lot of spiritual nourishment that you get from that. >> spiritual nourishment? >> that's right. >> you are a believer in god. >> yes, sir. >> and christianity and helping others. >> i felt in some ways that i was called to do this. i have a -- there is a thing that i can provide. a thing i can do. there is a way can i raise awareness and way i can give back. >> you are using your fame obviously for good to do. this and i kind of do the same thing i figure million to one. 20 million to one i'm here
so i might do some good when i visit the wounded and i try not to make a big deal out of it but they are almost stunned to see you. and it's me, it's me the one -- i'm the one that's privileged to be with them. >> i'm sure they are stunned to see you, bill. >> they are. we didn't know you were so tall. >> i don't want them to think i'm anything special. they are the special ones. they have given and sacrificed for the country. >> but they don't expect anything. you know they don't expect intritsz to walk in the door to come and visit them. when you go to the war zones and hospitals and go around and play for them like i have over a number of years even with all that i've done, every single time i do it, i get so much nourishment out of it. i feel that, you know, enriched in some ways.
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continuing now with this special edition of the factor in the personal story segment tonight, my book "killing jesus" became a very big success. and with that success, the book became a movie on national geo. >> i know you, jesus of nazareth. you have opinions on everything, what's your opinion on this? >> any among you who is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at
her. any among you who is without sin. >> recently i sat down with two of the stars from the film kelsey grammer who plays the evil king herod and a muslim actor who plays the lead role of jesus. >> so you were raised in lebanon, correct? >> right. >> now, lebanon is an interesting place because there is a big christian community as well as obviously the muslim majority. when you were growing up as a muslim, did you know anything about jesus? >> oh, yeah. absolutely. we celebrated christmas. >> you did? >> oh, yeah. and i knew not so much in details about his teachings and what he stood for until later in my life. but i always understood his presence in my life and in the world and importance of his presence and how he affected people. that always got from a very young age and how he influenced the world in such a positive and powerful way. >> let me follow you.
what is your name? >> judith he is he is. >> bless you, jesus. >> when you auditioned there were jesus before you surfing jesus, blue king of kings, blue eyes and blonde hair. when you auditioned did a good job they called and said would you hire him? >> jesus, how could you know me. >> >> it's an honor for me to be in this position and when i told my mother, the first thing she said bless you, my son, for playing our prophet, peace be upon you. >> for ours is is the kingdom, the power and the glory. >> i was heavily influenced in his teachings. i had many people who i was guided by in that process and when i found out that i got the part, i only had but
excitement, passion, and love and i couldn't wait to get there and start working on it and filming. >> he who shares my bread, i tell you now before it happens you know that i am he. >> no one questions that. >> many will. and one will betray me. >> in terms of preparation i also like i read your book, which was fantastic, and the screenplay, i thought. >> you did a nice job adapting the screenplay. >> and you brought anger. to jesus which i think some people are going to be surprised by. >> this is the house of prayer. >> this is my livelihood. >> when you summoned the anger in the scene where you go into the temple, your demeanor is not of a peaceful god. you are really wanting to
right this wrong. what are you thinking about? >> he was playing the game. he was a very clever man. and when he went into that temple to do this, he did that for a purpose. a reason. >> sure. >> he was trying to fulfill the prophecy. not just entirely him being reactive, it was all planned and plotted in his mind with no judgment towards humanity and everything about it when in terms of like the story itself, if you really want to ask me the essence of it, it's a story about love and also a story about celebrating us humans what we are capable of doing for one another. >> the temple is god's glory. >> god's glory is love. >> fantastic performance. >> thanks for coming in. absolute pleasure having you. >> a child, born in your
kingdom, the god of israel's chosen. >> the messiah. >> the messiah. >> you are playing one of the worse men in the world. people don't know the story, herod orders the murder of all infants under the age of two in the bethlehem area. how is it, you know, you are a beloved actor here in america you are playing a really bad guy. did you tha the boss program. >> it's fine. i'm an actor. you lend yourself to the role. it doesn't necessarily reflect on you. of all the infants born in my kingdom. how will you find this one child, destined to be the messiah? >> day and time of his birth matched the positions of the stars and the wild would give as you sign. >> what a blessing. >> yes. >> people are going to be surprised how evil you are in this movie. you are an evil guy. >> i wrote you evil and you played it evil. >> okay. now, before you did killing jesus, you were raised
christian, i understand. >> um-huh, yeah. >> did you have a frame of reference about jesus? >> he is the savior. that's how i go about it. without apology, i'm a christian. i'm not -- i was raised as a christian scientist but i'm not a practicing christian scientist although i still observe many of the tenants of mary and her writings. he is the guy. he is the one. >> when you got the role, and you started to research it, did you learn anything? >> funny. maybe it's a karma or a moment. universe fills in the blanks and all of a sudden i pick up history book in the hotel room and the first page opens up on herod's palace. i realized that he was a man of great accomplishment and survived his own sort of rule for 30, 40 years,
murdered half his own children, had 30 or 40 children. he was a very busy guy. this is what helped me realize that he probably was worried about being assassinated all the time. and that led. people used to say when i first got the role how are you going to play him had it's going to be so much fun. >> i'm like what are you talking about. this is hamlet. herod's herod. i thought he must sleep with a weapon in his bed, he must. if is that paranoid. that helped me to play the whole first scene. anything you learn throughout the whole experience? >> i love morocco. >> that's good. i had been to morocco 20 years previous and i loved it then in dan tan tangiers. >> did you get it keep the costume. >> that beard.
i had sort of a full beard myself at the time and, of course, not big enough to play one of those guys. i am actually a gentile playing a jew which is always very controversial. but,. >> you brought a lot of edge to the role. >> coming up, the widow of american war hero chris kyle speaks out about life after her husband's murder. >> talk about good and evil. we talk about bad decisions and my belief that god gives us all free will and that means that he gives it to people who choose evil as well. >> at taya kyle. delores heart speaks about hollywood and elvis presley. >> elvis presley and he stands up and he comes up and he goes how do you do? what do you do? >> he said what do you do? ♪ i built my business with passion.
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violent crime. how are this doing. >> they are doing very well. >> did you allow them to he see the movie? >> i think they are still young. they are still in elementary school as you said. we did watch one of the first trailers and we spent about 45 minutes going offer just the trailer alone frame by frame so they wouldn't get caught off guard if they were at a friend's house and it was on. >> if i'm on the street, march. >> deadliest job here, man. >> you got some sort of savior complex. >> i just want to get the bad guys but if i can't see them i can't shoot them. >> all these guys they know your name. they feel invincible up there. >> they are if they think they're. >> keep banging on the long guns. >> how much time did you spend talking to each of them boy and girl. >> boy and girl. >> about the murder, the actual crime? because children have obviously, i mean, when they are affected that directly and deeply, how much time did you spend with them and what did you say? >> we talked about it a lot. when they have questions, i trite to let them know there is no question they can't
ask me and we will talk about anything. the questions obviously some of the things are the same things adults ask. what's wrong with this person? why would they do that? we talk about good and evil and bad decisions and my belief that god gives us all free will and that means that he gives it to people who choose evil as well. and then, you know, my daughter and son, they both asked about the death penalty if that was on the table early on. we talked about what that was and what it looked like we talk about that in american wife, too. it's interesting to see their responses. they are different people. >> my name is matt, we met in fallujah, you saved my life. >> i did? >> yes, sir. we were stuck in a house until you came in with the first marines. you were the one that carried me out. >> oh, wow. the marines saved our ass plenty of times how are you? are you holding up? >> i'm just grateful to be alive. why don't you come down to the v.a. sometime. the guys would love it they
all know who the legend is. >> you are a christian woman. and, you know, you wear the cross proudly around your neck did. you talk about forgiveness in that? because i don't know -- boy, you know, you have to -- our religion dictates that we have to forgive. i always say well, you know, the person has to ask for forgiveness. maybe i'm on the wrong side of that you have explained that or talked about that county kids? >> we have had some really deep conversations about that. and i actually had a deep conversation with my pastor about it on a different issue. and just respecting the time we have here there is a story in the bible. they decided to do their own thing, not listen to god. they walked for 40 years and said god please forgive me. he said my child i forgave you the minute did you it but that doesn't mean you can go back. >> this murderer will pay, his life is over. >> that's what we talk about honestly just to finish that thought with you we did talk about that. the fact that we can try to
forgive the person while we condemn the act and while we also vehemently want their punishment for what they did. >> they have to pay the price. that's usually dolled out by the deity. >> late husband talking about jesse ventura disrespecting the seals which got him into a lawsuit. just personally, not legally, but personally how do you feel about this? >> you know, it has been one of the most extraordinarily draining experiences truly. the last time i was on your show i said i didn't give him much thought and that's true. that doesn't mean -- people think you are in a lawsuit your lawyers handle it not necessarily the case. >> you are involved. >> oh my gosh, you have to review every document and go through every emotional hurdle. the trial itself and i talk about the trial in american wife, too. the trial itself was so emotionally training and so frustrating and, you know, i heard the interviews of the
jurors afterward. and i find it very frustrating too. i don't know how do you that when your murdered husband is up there. >> governor ventura should not have said what he said and let it go. that's my opinion. the book is doing very well. big best seller. american wife. i want everybody to check it out. and if we can ever do anything for you and your family, ms. kyle, you let me know, all right? >> thank you. i appreciate you having me. >> coming up on this special edition of the o'reilly factor. former rhode island congressman patrick kennedy and peterson christopher both recovering substance abusers speak out about the dangers of marijuana to our system. >> two most damaging drugs alcohol and nicotine. we don't need another drug. we don't need another drug. it will increase
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tonight, legalized pot. colorado says they collected $2 million off pot sales in january the first month of legalization out there. i believe the amount of damage being done to colorado in the form will cost them much more than taking in. i could be wrong. joining us is patrick kennedy and author of the book what addicts no ten lessons from recovery. both men were substance abusers at one time. mr. kennedy, i understand you are against the
legalization of marijuana, why? >> >> i have a mood disorder and i'm also in recovery because i'm also an addict. and, with another drug being commercialized, one that actually has the for profit motive of hooking new consumers. they are going to target teenagers. they are going to make their money off of people like myself who are addicts and i don't think this is the kind of thing that makes our country stronger and families stronger. >> pro-pot people say it's not addictive, it's harmless. less harmful than alcohol. it's unfair to have alcohol legal and pot not. and you say? >> i say two wrongs don't make a right. and the marijuana today is in beverage form. it's in candy form. you can eat it. now, i was was an azamat tuck so i didn't go down the route of marijuana. but if it were available to me today and i could have eaten it like they can in
colorado, it would have been a totally different game. this is a scary thing. people think the smoking couple joints every other weekend. this is a whole new commercial industry. that is what should frighten people. profit motive will be to marketing this. we want demand reduction. and yet this is going to be increasing the demand for addictive substance. that's my problem with it. >> mr. lawford, you are kind of a libertarian kind of guy, but you are against the legalization of marijuana as well? >> i'm primarily against it because of what it might do to our young people. the two most damaging drugs on the planet are both legal alcohol and nicotine. we don't need another legal drug. legalization will increase prevalence. our youth are at risk. we have studies that demonstrate not only the addictive capabilities of marijuana but the difficulty in treating people who are addicted to marijuana. one in six young people smoke it connickly. chronic use of marijuana obliterates ambition and leads to potential
psychosis. all sorts of mood disorders. it's not a good drug. it's not a matter of policy to legalize. >> both of you guys are democrats and fairly liberal. i don't know your politics as precisely as i should, perhaps. but the the liberal wing, mr. lawford, they are the ones that are driving the legalization. you see in colorado, for example, it breaks down and there are libertarians. it's not all. but why does the left so fervently want this substance? is it woodstock? does it go back there. >> m initial way i understand that. george soros pushed this thing primarily because of the inner city. it's true young african-american males are getting targeted by police departments in the inner city in terms of arrests to show cops how to do drug busts, basically. legalization is not the answer to that issue. >> so that's why you think that the left. >> could you concur,
mr. kennedy? you think it was a variable social issue? >> yeah. >> that drove the left to want it? >> yes. i think it's driven by the racial -- keep in mind, african-americans, minorities are demonstrated against throughout the justice system. just by legalizing, this you are north going to get rid of the discrimination in the application of laws in this country. we should address that and make it a separate issue. not conflate addressing incarceration with the decriminalization and legalization. >> okay. but i will point out to both of you and you both made very good points tonight but i have to run, that the neighborhoods that have been most impacted by drug addiction in this country have been black neighborhoods, all right? >> that we know of. >> well, they have been. and that crack epidemic when all of those mandatories were put, in that wiped out a generation. and that's why it was there. >> and, bill, there are 8 times as many liquor stores in minority neighborhoods than be there are in white
neighborhoods. >> you got it. >> the same thing is going to happen with legalized marijuana. it's going to target the most vulnerable in our country. >> excellent point. i can't thank you guys enough for coming in. >> thanks. >> you made excellent points. coming up a holiday actress who appeared in films with elvis presley leaves holiday to become a -- leaves hollywood. >> you are a beautiful woman you are engaged and all of a sudden you have a spiritual awakening? >> bill, the minute i put my foot on the grounds, something in me fell in love. >> and, later, he is a hollywood icon who has seen it all. >> ernest borgnine. >> blue suit, gray suit, i'm just a fat little man, fat ugly man. >> you are not ugly. >> i'm ugly. i'm ugly, i'm ugly. ma, leave me alone. >> right back.
but then something dramatic happened to deloras hart. in fact, what occurred might be called a miracle. >> you are a young woman. you want to be an actress. you go to holiday. -- to hollywood. they love you. get into a movie with elvis presley. >> that's right. but i wanted to be with you. not only here but i want you with us on the road wherever we go. >> they don't need me and you don't need me. you are going to the top, deke and you are going alone. >> i have been alone all my life. i need somebody. >> hey. >> tell me about the first meeting with elvis. >> i was in first year college, so i walked into the office and meet mr. elvis presley and he stands up and he comes over and he says how do you do? i says what do you do?
>> you said what do you do? a week before he had been on the ed sullivan show and had been a big controversy but you being a college student you didn't hear about it. >> i did not have the slightest idea what that was until i went back to school, after the girls saw or heard about my interview and they said what? you are nuts. ♪ >> very, very sweet and a very humble in his own way and he was a mother's boy. >> once you found out it was elvis presley and now you are in this movie and you are shooting the film and you have a kissing scene and you are his romantic interest, was there anything between you? >> well, the kissing scene was with 200 people. and the moment we got lip to lip, the director said cut, oh my gosh, i make a mess of this? >> i think this is one can i handle by myself.
♪ >> but you guys didn't have anything off the screen or anything like that? >> no. we did not. in fact, he asked me out and i said elvis, i would love to do this but i don't believe in mixing work and pleasure. >> really? you said that at 18? >> i said i have got to get up at 5:00 in the morning to be here and ready at 8:00. i said i would be a wreck if i went out at night on a work day. >> so then you did a series of other movies where the boys are and then you would king creole back with elvis. >> hi. >> hello. >> don't give me that i saw you looking. >> you are pretty sure of yourself, aren't you? >> not always. >> did you become a is secular person in the holiday tradition? >> well, i met a wonderful friend maria cooper who was the daughter of gary cooper.
and maria had been around the holiday scene for a long time. we went to a dinner with two guys. she brought me to the dressing room and she said dolores i think we should wait here and let them go home. >> she was looking out for you. >> she was, indeed. i learned very soon that the values of being in hollywood were not what people thought they were. >> what's your name? >> nelle. >> what time do you get through work? >> why? >> i thought i might meet you. >> what do you think i am? >> i would like to find out. >> so now you are 24 years old. you have a nice hollywood career going. beautiful woman. you are engaged and all of a sudden you have a spiritual awakening? >> i had come to regina -- much earlier when i was in the play the pleasure of his company in new york. and a friend of mine told me that there was a place that
i could go up north for a little rest because with the play was in its ninth month. bill, the minute i put my foot on the ground, something in me fell in love. so i went to see the abbis. mother benedict. i said to her, what would you think of someone like me as part of your community? and she said dolores, you go back and do your hollywood thing. you are too young for this. >> and i said great. that's the best news i have heard. >> you didn't get it out of your mind? >> oh, no, no. when i married don, i said, you know, don, something is bothering me. he said let's get engaged and i will make it at peace. we went to a party. it was an engagement party. on the way home as we are driving down the street. he steps on the brakes and says, dolores, what's wrong
with you. just tell me you love me? of course i love you. and he said something is not right. why don't you go back to monastery that you like so well and get a little time off. he had no idea what he was sending me into because i went back there and i talked to lady abbis that time and she said yes, you can come. >> and that was it? >> yes. >> so you are there and then obviously, 50 years later you are still there? >> yes. >> are you surprised on how much spirituality has been diminished in the united states. secularism is rising and religion is mocked? >> the only time it surprises me until you start reading history and you realize that at every period in history where there has been a major change, there has always been a loss of religious values as they have been known because
something new has to come in. i believe that's where the pope now is seeing things. >> do you believe in evil? >> i do, indeed. i think evil is the loss of love. >> the loss of love. >> yes. whenever something evil happens, it's because persons refuse to love. >> mother, thanks for speaking with us today. >> extraordinary woman. and mother dolores has a book called "the ear of the heart." and mother dolores don't united states all the proceeds to charity. >> when we come back, ted koppel with a new book called a crippling cyber attack on the u.s.a. would attack on the u.s.a. would not be ♪ ♪ (cell phone rings) where are you? well the squirrels are back in the attic. mom? your dad won't call an exterminator...
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thanks for staying with us, i'm bill o'reilly in the personal story segment tonight, new book by a thanks for staying with us, i'm bill o'reilly. a new book by former nbc anchor ted koppel. surviving the aftermath. here now is mr. koppel. that title is pretty scary. >> i hope so. >> can you back it up? >> as you know, bill, reporters don't necessarily know a hell of a lot about the actual subject until they start talking to the experts. i talk to experts in the military, and the intelligence field, in the industry itself.
and the vast preponderance of them believe that this is not only a possibility but a likelihood. >> all right. so some nation, russia, putin, china, even maybe the terrorists, the isis or iranians, they will hack into our system? >> they have already hacked into our system. the chinese and the russians are already inside. this comes from people high ranking people in the national security agency. they got what amount to cyber time bombs all ready to go off. >> they are already working toward bringing down our system. >> they are already in a position that with a key stroke they can take down the power grid. >> why don't they do it. >> because the russians and the chinese and the united states have so many interlocking interest they are probably not going to do it. that's the good news. there are others who are not quite as technically capable, like the iranians and the north koreans and, yes, isis.
>> they would do it if they could. >> he this would if they could and they very soon will have that capability. >> if the national security agency understands what's happening. can't they build a fire wall of protection to stop any of these attacks? if they know they are inside, they have the information that look, these guys are trying to do. this they want the capability of doing it. can't they stop it? >> the internet was designed to be a meeting place for professors with good ideas. it was never designed to be defended. it was designed to exchange information instantaneously around the world. we are much better at cyber offense. we can do the same thing to the russians and chinese. we are probably better at it than they are. but, defending it is. >> so it would be mutual destruction then if somebody did it because they would know who did it. >> no, not necessarily. take how long it took the fbi to come to the conclusion conclusion that north korea, which is not nearly as technically capable as the chinese or
the russians, how long it took them to figure out that they were the ones who hacked into sony pictures? >> yeah, sony pictures. >> and the chinese have been accused of doing this for industrial espionage. so if it all goes down, if they succeed in hacking us in a cyber attack on the nation. then our cell phones don't work, right? >> that's the easiest part, bill. your electricity doesn't work. your lights don't work. your refrigeration. >> it's all computerized now. >> well, it's all on the electric grid. if the electric grid comes down, everything in the city like new york, that runs on electricity, which is just about everything is down. >> all right. so then we have zombie apock lipsz. people you remember what happen what happened in the 70's. do you foresee that happening? >> it is entirely possible the only people who can stop it from happening, the military. >> the military would have to be called in and all of that?
>> that's exactly right. the problem is that the department of homeland security does not have a plan for the civilian population in the event that this happens. >> why not? >> because the plans they have got are for -- they have got plans for floods. they have have got plans for blizzards. >> the nsa knows it's going to happen. why doesn't homeland security have a plan? >> i don't know the answer to that. >> you need to find that out. >> no. you are going to find that out. >> i might: i don't like any of this internet stuff. i think it's destroyed journalism. what you are writing about will undermine physical safety. you have thousands of people dead or elderly people their airconditioning go out. it's the middle of winter and you are telling me that our homeland security has no plan at all. that's frightening. >> what i am telling you is i spent an hour with jeh johnson the president secretary of homeland security. what is the plan: you pointed to a bunch on the show. he said i'm sure there is a
plan. >> i'm sure there is. but the one thing that he recommended is have a radio with extra batteries. people after the fact. called it killing the lights. what do you think? amazing you kept your wit after all these time. >> look at botox. it really works. >> next up. two factor flashbacks and hollywood legend with the latest august borgnine and arnaz. >> people need heroes these days. and you are a hero. you are a hero as an actor on the screen and real guy
welcome back to this special edition of "the factor." our most compelling segments. we end with earnest borgnine and james arnes. they were big actors in hollywood and were compelling indeed. >> you have known all of these titans and you're an honest guy. let's start with frank sinatra. you were in "from here to eternity" with him and his career was going nowhere. >> he was in between. he was well liked wherever we were. we did a scene together. i played the piano.
and they said -- >> don't mess with me fat stuff or i'll break your ice. >> he had a reputation of being a tough guy. >> oh, absolutely. >> was he a tough guy? >> no, he wasn't. he was the sweetest man in the world. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> john wayne, you were never in a movie with john wayne, but you knew him, right? >> absolutely. >> did he own hollywood, wayne? >> when he said jump, people said how high. >> he was that -- >> he was that big. >> you will have a belly ache. >> we were in the lounge together one night and he looked at me and said, damn it, earnie, how come we never worked together. and i was feeling good and i said, because you're afraid to work with good actors. >> oh, man. did he shoot you? how did he respond to that? >> oh, he laughed. he laughed like crazy.
>> he took it the way you meant it. you like all these guys. >> you pick and choose your friends. but you know a good guy. hey, you're a good guy, bill. i want to tell you right so to your face. >> i appreciate that. >> believe me. >> "gun smoke", younger people may not understand how dominant this program was. on 20 years. why was it so successful? what was it about "gun smoke" when you had 50 other westerns? >> "gun smoke" was put on radio and they were exceptionally good writers and creators. and we were really, i think, the first of the westerns that the more adult westerns as they called them, and the first ones to come on. >> take one more step and i cough. >> doesn't matter. close enough now. >> you dent know whether you are or not. i say you're not.
>> well, i say i am. >> now, you came across as a tv john wayne. and you knew john wayne. you guys were buds, right? >> yes, actually i was under contract to his company for three years. prior to "gun smoke" you see. did several movies with him. >> you were both tall big guys. little iconic. didn't mock a lot. just beat up the bad guys. whack! >> believe me, he was a great man. one-of-a-kind. there will never be another guy like him. >> when i first heard the show "gun smoke", i knew there was loin one man to play in it, james arness. he is a young fella. but i've worked with him an i predict you'll be a big star. >> did you model your character after the john wayne characters that he played in the movies? >> not consciously. i just played what was written
on the page there and tried to get into that character. >> i'm an important citizen, i run things my way. >> but you don't run the united states government, jake. you don't run me. >> not too many people know this but you were a war hero. how did that change your life? >> i wasn't a war hero. i was an infantry rifleman there on the beach head for three weeks. and got shot down. they hauled me out of there. >> 18 months rehab? >> that's right. >> i consider that a hero, mr. arness. i know you're modest. but i consider that a hero. you're a hero on screen and as a real guy is fighting for your country. people know that. that's why you're a tv icon. that's why you're sitting here on "the factor." we appreciate you coming in. >> i'm a law man. i've got no choice. >> i understand. let's go. >> no.