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but now we have dirty bombs, and we have cyber attacks. and we have people who will be attacking our electrical grid. >> that was dr. ben carson at tonight's republican showdown in south carolina. he joins us now from the spin room with more. dr. carson, you're talking about the electrical grid and cyber warfare, i don't think people are fully aware of how dangerous that really is and this could be a real clear, present danger to america. it's not talked about a lot. i read a lot about it. electrical magnetic pulse, etc. these are real threats that could happen if we're not careful. >> they're very real threats. and it doesn't just have to come from a nuclear explosion. it can come from the sun. there is a emt from the sun averaging every 150 years. the last one was 155 years ago. so we're due for one any time.
we're not taking the appropriate steps to harden the grid. we need to harden it and have several layers of electrical safety available to us. it will set us back several decades and p coordinated with cyber attacks and dirdy bombs you can imagine the chaos that would ensue. it could be devastating to the country. >> you have been asked about lindsey graham's proposal about 20,000 more troops on the ground in iraq and to battle isis, excuse me, battle isis, is that something, would you support that? do you think there are other ways to take out isis and defeat it? where do you stand on troops on the ground there? >> well, what i've said is we need to give our military experts the mission and say what do you need to accomplish this
mission? if they say we can accomplish it with just, you know local people here, in our special ops, that is great. if they say we need boots on the ground, you give them what is required in order to accomplish a goal, not just to keep it going and not just to contain it. but to end the fight quickly. dragging it out doesn't do us any good. >> i've been thinking long and hard about this. we lost 58,000 people, men, brave men in vietnam. we lost 5,000 in iraq and afghanistan. i met others that lost limbs and arms over the years. does america need to transition to a different type of warfare? i'm not talking only about drone strikes but more sophisticated weaponry. we don't have to go door to door like we did in the iraq war. this recent war.
>> absolutely. >> how soon do you think wick get there? >> i think we need to be, you know working on that kind of research. one ever the real problems of with us getting out of the space race with so many military inventions came out of that. that is why we're able to stay leaps ahead of everybody else, they've caught up with us now, we need to reinstitute that program because of the innovation that came out of that. but yes, we need other types of warfare. there is no question about it. but we need perspective. we need to understand if we don't win this war over there we're going to be fighting the war over here. it's not going to be five thu or 58,000. it's going to be hundreds of thousands of our people. or maybe millions of our people being killed. we've got to have perspective here. >> in that sense, is donald trump right when he says there ought to be a national muslim ban when our fbi director and
our special envoy to defeat isis? is a temporary ban ominous limb countries a bad idea? >> i wouldn't ban people based on their religion, but significant requirements. if they're coming from an area, from virtually every area. because paris attackers had a belgium passport. we should northbound a war setting now. which means we be able to evaluate all of our visas. >> isis is very sophisticated telling their followers cut your beard, put on a crucifix. blend in with the population.
that makes it more scary. >> it does. if we can't verify who we are, they don't come in as far as i'm concerned. >> let's talk about the state of your campaign. i guess you let top people go. then, they went to the press. criticism over the relationship with someone i know and like a lot, armstrong williams. tell us about the move. how has it impacted your campaign. we're 17 days out of iowa. >> well, you know, you have a campaign structure that is like a three-stage rocket. you know, first -- first your state -- first states get you to a certain level. and if the next state doesn't fire, you kind of stall out there. that is what is happening. so we needed to get the second stage going. and sometimes, elements of the
first stage say i don't like this nm. you have to do what you have to do in order to reach your goal. it's essential. >> good to see you and thank you for your time. >> you, too, thank you, sean. >> coming up, reaction to tonight's big debate, also, later, john kasich will join us from the spin room in south carolina. that and more on this special late edition of "hannity."
>> to understand the values in new york city are socially liberal, pro abortion or pro gay marriage, focus around money and the media. i guess i can frame it another way. not a lot of conservatives come out of manhattan. i'm just saying. >> so, conservatives actually do come out of manhattan. including william f buckly and
others just so you understand. new york is a great place, it's got loving people, wonderful people. when the world trade center came down, i saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beautifully, more humanely than new york and we rebuilt downtown manhattan and everybody in the world watched and everybody in the world loves new york and loves new yorkers and very to tell you that was a very insulting statement that ted made. >> that will be one of the most talked-about moments from tonight's republican debate. joining us now, steve hays, peter johnson junior and monica crowley. i think has come down to a three-man race. trump, cruz, and marco rubio. anyone disagree? . >> i would add chris christie. i thought he had a good night
tonight. >> i don't see -- look, he's doing better in new hampshire. but i don't see his path to the nomination. steve, do you agree with monica? >> i do agree with monica. i think, look, if i were dividing it, i'd say $30 on trump, $30 on marco, and $30 on cruz and maybe ten on marco. who what will happen. >> i don't have a crystal ball or i'd be in vegas right now. peter johnson junior? >> chris christie is not breaking through. i don't think he's going to break through. the top three, ted cruz won the birther issue. marco rubio was pretty good over all, but i believe donald trump won this debate big, big time. big time. >> monica? your thoughts? who won the debate? >> i think there were a couple defining moments.
one was ted cruz. he needed to handle the eligibility question that had been raised by donald trump. and he needed to handle it with facts and finesse. i think he did both of those things but i think donald trump owned the two other defining moments during this debate. the first is what you just played when he handled cruz's attack on new york values. it was pitch perfect. his tone, his content, the fact it was unscripted and came from the heart. i think it was brilliantly handled. the other defining moment which i agree with peter, won him this debate, when asked about his personal business interests versus the national interests. he responded again in a very heart felt emotional way and said look, if i'm elected president i don't care about my company, i only care about america. that is the push back against elites that sought to empower
themselves to keep tapping into. >> maybe showing another side of himself. you know, sticking up for the people of new york, maybe empathy for people struggling and there are many of them, steve? what do you think? >> i agree with monica on the moments that donald trump had defending new york. really a terrific moment for him. probably the best they have had in the debates. i don't think he won the debate. i think he had highs and lows. he had some other moments where it was more energetic inco here ye yens-on the tariffs. i thought ted cruz had a fantastic night. i think the answer cruz gave on the birther issue put donald trump back on his heels. it's one of the first time we saw donald trump looking weak. cruz was able, with that answer,
definitive, alpha male, put it on there. >> i thought trump had great moments and i thought marco rubio had a great debate. i think of all of the debates so far, maybe because they've polished up their lines and thinking, it was entertaining and informative, funny, peter johnson junior. i think the real winner here is the republican party because any of those people, compared to hillary clinton, look so much better. >> the republican party is a big winner. certainly the business channel as well. this is probably one of the most-interesting debates. the questions were fair, the questions were balanced and brought forth a lot of different opinions. with regard to trump, i believe he won by sheer force of his personality and by the fact he was not going to back down, and not going to be embarrassed to be a new yorker.
i think mr. cruz made a critical mistake. people in the united states like donald trump and they know that in some sense he represents new york. >> we all live in new york and pay the extra 4% city tax. and it is a liberal city. except for fox news and sean hannity and other folks. that put this endeavor together. this is the headquarters of fox news. an opportunity for all people to be heard, including people on the right. >> i honestly felt that this debate got to learn more about these candidates. i want to come back and get more of your opinions. we'll have more of this great panel right after the break and then later, ohio governor john kasich will join us live from the spin room as this late edition of "hannity" continues. how do i know i'm getting the best price on this? we'll match any competitors price. what about this? price match guarantee.
hillary clinton cannot be president. it will lead to greater war in this world and remember this. after hillary clinton and barack obama have had nearly eight years we have fewer democracies in the world than when they started. >> if she gets elected she's under investigation with the fbi right now. if she gets elected her first 100 days might be going back and forth between the white house and the court house. we need to stop that. >> someone who cannot handle intelligence information appropriately cannot be commander in chief and someone who lies to the families of the four victims in benghazi can never be president of the united states. >> the republican candidates going after hillary clinton hard after tonight's debate. still with us, monica crawly, fox news legal analyst peter johnson junior. here is a question. i spend time up at night, i
really, if i'm right that it's these three, and i'll concede the point to steve hays. i think chris christie is doing well in new hampshire. let's see what he does in the primary there. here is my question. peter johnson junior, who of those four is most electable against hillary clinton? >> i think i'll say two. i'll say donald trump, and senator rubio. donald trump, i believe would bring 20% to 25% of the democratic party, disaffected democrats to come out and vote for republicans. we have not seen that in a very, very long time. >> do you think he can win new york, peter? >> yes. i do. >> new jersey? pennsylvania? >> donald trump? >> yes. >> can rubio or cruz do that? >> rubio, i think has a great potential based upon his background. and based upon the particular passion he brings. >> there is no doubt he is a
star. he will be president if not this time, he will be one day. >> it's going to be a very hard, hard race. >> i agree with that. monica, who of those four is most electable? >> well, frankly i think any of them could beat hillary clinton assuming she's going to be the democratic nominee. but i mean, you look at her -- >> i highly recommend -- >> if you look at her -- okay. look. when you look at the polling she's vulnerable, losing ground across all traditional democratic constituents. i think the root of the country now is in a place where they
want a change and push to something displayed in this debate tonight, that struck me for a long time, at least on both sides have attacked anger, okay, as bad tone or unserious or radical. as a way to disqualify candidates who got angry about the state of the country and where he'll yeets -- elites were taking us. what you saw tonight is all of these candidates saying this stops now. this kind of self-restraint forced on us has got us to this place where we are. that is going to end with us. >> electability is going to matter to me. when i get into the voting booth, that would be a very -- that would be 50% of my thought process. i don't think we can concede the white house. i agree with marco rubio's comments.
it's irreparable damage at this point. i want americans in a better position. i want america leading on the world stage. who is the most electable? monica, straight out. >> i think any of the top four will have a great chance. >> i need an answer, help me. >> you're staying trump? >> i think donald trump. >> steven hays? >> i think trump is the least electable. but i'm willing to be -- look, i didn't think donald trump was going to be a xet fore for the republican nomination. he is clearly a competitor so maybe who i thought i understood before maybe i'm not understanding. i don't think he'd have the kind of enduring cross party appeal that peter and monica do. i think 11 months opposite hillary clinton for 11 months. the things that will end for
tru trump -- >> you have been, for six months you and others have been harsh against donald trump and every prediction he's going to fall on his face has proven false, he's sustained a lead for six months. that is a stunning performance. >> sean, i just said that. i just said that. i'm telling you i underestimated him. you don't take the time to say that peter has been a trump booster, that you point out every time i'm on. >> woah, woah. >> look. trying to be objective about it i think he's got a good shot at winning. >> we have john kasich. >> the short answer to your question is rubio. >> let not your heart be troubled. long time.
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concerned about their economic future, and they wonner whether somebody is getting something that is keeping them from
getting it. that is not the america i have known. my father would say johnny, we don't hate the rich. we just want to be the rich. we have to make sure every student has the tools. we've got to fight like crazy to people can think the american dream still exists, because it does. >> that is ohio governor, john kasich tonight. governor kasich joins us now from the spin room. he's in south carolina. governor, good to see you. how do you feel about it? >> great. great. i got to talk about the things i think americans really care about. their jobs, their children, their wages. many of the things that you talk about, you know under employment, people who have been left behind. i got to talk about that tonight and i thought it was a very well managed debate and i am very pleased. >> i thought it was the best in terms of substance and entertainment value. we got to hear from all of the candidates, including yourself. let's talk about the polls.
you come up quite a bit in new hampshire. and now,
in double digits there. >> i'm really actually running in second place now in three out of four polls. that is the key for me. if i can come out of new hampshire and hannity says look at kasich here, then, if hannity says it. >> well, i'm. >> well, you're a buddy of mine and if you say it, it's the truth. if i do come out as a big story, i will be known nationally and will be able to raise the money that i need. if i come out of new hampshire as a story, i believe i'll be the republican nominee. >> one of the things happening this year is there is this battle, this conflict. quote, establishment versus the more conservative, insurgent wing of the party, if you will.
you see that most americans don't trust washington republicans. maybe because you have been there and maybe because you've been governor, you know, where do you put yourself in that battle? or that conflict? >> yes. you know, a media guy said yesterday there is the establishment lane and antiestablishment lane, but you, john kasich, you're in your own lane. that is why i think we're seeing the rise in new hampshire. i think people are listening to not only my experience, the battles i have fought and what i want owe do in the future, as a result of that, i think it's connecting and there is a great ground game with people who are true believers. we have 6 or 7 guys living in mattresses in one headquarters and heating dedicated people an i'm humbled by it. it's sort of my own lane and i have to keep running in it and
getting out there. >> when you and newt gingrich, you did leave us with the last balanced budget. i remember discussing and deb e debating it on radio for a long time. we ended up with a surplus for what, five years? four consecutive years. >> we paid down a half a trillion of the national debt. they blew it all once we all left washington, they spent it all. it wasn't just democrats, republicans as well. >> you and united gingrich at the time weren't exactly viewed as establishment. i'm just being honest. >> you're right. no. we were viewed as troublemakers, refo reformers. >> and the industcountry was be off. the country got a balanced budget. my question to you is now because you've been in government longer than maybe other people that are on that stage, maybe some people in the country think we don't need these guys with experience anymore, how do you respond to that? >> because i was effective in
the change i sought and took on special interests whether defense contractors, taking on the military or welfare reform or the penny kasich plan, trying to take a penny out of every dollar. in ohio, i've been a big refo reformer. people are getting jobs and w e wages up. as long as you're not get along and go along, you've known me long enough, this ain't me. you can't pin that label on me. i think if i can get known and people can hear me. i think many people heard me tonight and in my judgment i will be the nominee. >> you have been very critical of the front-runner, we donald trump, and somewhat critical of ted cruz at times, i've heard. where do you stand with them? do you have more respect for them? i know you want to win. you seemed to be somewhat
hostile towards them in the beginning, has that changed at all? >> i've never been hostile towards them but the policies. i disagree with donald trump sometimes and calling kelly n e names. but tonight when he talked about the ripoff in trade and i agree with that. and people look the other way. it's not the right thing to do. you know what, sean, we look the other way, they're hurting your father and my father, not literally, but the people that built this country and fought the war, they have to be stood up for by somebody. i think that trump hit a nerve and it happened to be something i've been talking about a very long time. >> your dad was a postman and my dad was a family court officer. i think the fact that so many of those people are struggling, the more that people hear we can change this around and jobs can be created. >> absolutely. >> and the poverty ceiling can
be broken. getting people off food stamps. >> that's right. >> that's an opportunity in society all of us want again because it doesn't exist right now. >> in our state, wages are growing faster than the national average. we're up 385,000 jobs. i've cut taxes more than any governor in america and our credit is strong and we're running surpluses. how can you do better than all of that? i just want to take that formula to washington. to washington. >> governor kasich, great to see ♪ ♪ (cell phone rings) where are you? well the squirrels are back in the attic. mom? your dad won't call an exterminator... can i call you back, mom? he says it's personal this time... if you're a mom, you call at the worst time. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. where are you? it's very loud there.
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that's all the time we have left this evening. quick programming note. be sure to tune in tomorrow night regular time, 10:00 eastern. texas senator ted cruz, republican candidates, also get debate reaction from former sperveg the house, united gingrich. tomorrow night, 10:00 eastern, our usual time. thanks for being with us.
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