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voter." >> that was excellent. well done, you guys. thanks to kristen, allen colmes, joanne and >> i'm chris wallace, u.s. and iran exchanged prisoners as the landmark nuclear deal takes effect. and with just two weeks until the iowa caucuses, ted cruz takes the gloves off against donald trump. >> since september, the constitution hasn't changed. but the poll numbers have. there's a big question mark on your head. and you can't do that to the party. >> cruz, defending his eligibility to be president. and attacking trump's so-called new york values. >> not a lot of conservatives come out of manhattan. i'm just saying. >> when the world trade center came down, i saw something that
no place on earth could have handled more beautifully, more humanely than new york. >> today ted cruz is one on one only on fox news sunday. then -- >> i think he's been the most polarizing president we've had in my lifetime. >> responding to president obama's state of the union speech and lays out the agenda for 2016. it's a fox news sunday exclusive. plus, the democratic presidential race which is suddenly too close to call. and our power player of the week, the man behind donald trump's campaign. >> what's it like managing donald trump? all right now on fox news sunday. hello again with fox news in washington. three of the four americans released by iran have been flown out of that country in exchange for seven iranians held by the u.s. a fifth american released
separately. at the same time, international sanctions have been lifted and billions in assets released as part of the landmark nuclear deal. we'll get reaction from leading republican candidates senator ted cruz in a moment. but first, let's get the latest from chief intelligence correspondent katherine harris. >> the prisoner swap is culmination of 17 months of secret diplomacy. saying the american's fate was never tied to a successful nuclear deal. >> the two tracks of negotiations were not directly related and were not -- there is no question that the pace and progress of the humanitarian talks accelerated in light of the relationships forged and diplomatic channels unlocked over the course of the nuclear talks. >> in addition to washington post reporter jason arrested in 2014 and convicted by a secret court, freedom americans, and
u.s. marine veteran amere hex maddie and little is known about his case. after the news broke, his wife spoke cautiously about the family's release. >> it came at a time that i was not expecting. and it doesn't feel real until we see him. but i know it's real. >> prisoner exchange came just before economic sanctions on iran were lifted under the terms of the nuclear deal struck last summer. freeing up tens of pillons in frozen as sets and opening iran's massive oil and gas reserve. >> iran still holding at least three americans. some are not public adding the regime hasn't told the turned the page on the hostages. >> welcome back to fox news sunday. >> chris, good to be with you. >> lets start with breaking news. iran just released the four
americans. at least three of them have cleared iranian airspace. and the iran nuclear deal went into and billions of dollars lifted to iran. what's your reaction it both? >> praise god that the prisoners are coming home. americans are coming home. in particular millions of believers across the world have been lifting up pastor in prayer and speaking out for his case. we celebrate their coming home. jason, amir, the fourth individual. we celebrate all of them coming home. cy spoke briefly yesterday and pastor saeed's wife who i've gotten to know very well. we are all grateful he is coming but at the same time the deal is a really problematic deal and it reflects a pattern we've seen in the obama administration over and over again of negotiating with terrorists. and making deals and trades that
endanger u.s. safety and security. this deal has a lot of things in common with the bowe bergdahl deal where in exchange for bowe, who is now court-martialed, in this instance, this deal to bring back americans who were wrongly imprisoned, we released seven terrorist who have helped iran with their nuclear program and we agreed not to prosecute another 14 terrorists for doing the same thing. that's 21 terrorists helping iran develop nuclear weapons that they intend to use to try to murder us. and i think it's a very dangerous precedent. because the result of this, every bad actor on earth has been told, go capture an american. if you want a terrorist out of jail, capture an american and president obama is in a let's make a deal business. that's a dangerous precedent. >> it wasn't the only dealing we have with iran that last week. iran's revolutionary guard seized ten u.s. navy sailors and
released this video showing those sailors on their knees and here is your reaction at the first event.
>> give you my word, if i am elected president, no service man or service woman will be forced to be on their knees in any nation that captures our fighting men and women. they will feel the full force and fury of the united states of america. >> senator, i think it is fair to say that all-americans were outraged to see the sailors on their knees. on the other hand, iran released them within 14 hours. you would still release the full force and fury of the u.s. military against iran for that incident? >> let's be clear, any nation that captures our military officers, captures our soldiers should face serious repercussions. the reason iran felt free to do that -- >> in this particular case. i'm not saying it was right but they were released in 14 hours. you still would have taken action? >> they were released in 14 hours but the only reason they were seized is because of the
weakness of barack obama. the obama/clinton foreign policy leading from behind. our enemies are lasting at us. days after seizing our sailors and parading them on television to humiliate them, those images were propaganda, within hours of that, john kerry and president obama are profusely thanking iran for letting our sailors go after they wrongly captured them and tried to humiliate them and now they are trying to send $150 billion dollars to them? it the direct result of the weakness of this presidency. but there is good news. which is the fastest thing that can change with the new president is foreign policy. it is worth remembering. the same nation, iran, in 1981 released our hostages the day ronald reagan was sworn into office. >> threatening full force and fury is not the firstyou've use rhetoric which is controversial.
here is how you said you would handle another threat. >> we will have a president who will make clear we will utterly destroy isis. we will carpet bomb them into owe bolivia. >> but senator, carpet bombing, against isis, would never work. isis is embedded in civilian populations in major cities. and if i may, i want to put up this statement here by bob scales. one of the leading u.s. military, former head of the war college, saying carpet bombing is just another one of those phrases that people with no military experience throw around. >> well, look, i will apologize to no one be how vigorous i will be winning the war on terror. defeating islamic radical terrorism. we will start by having a president willing to acknowledge our enemy. say it by its name. in which hillary clinton and president obama refuse to do. you want to know what carpet
bombing means? yesterday was the 25th anniversary of desert storm. we had roughly 8,000 planes. today 4,000. our air force dropped in half. in 1991 we had 529 ships in our navy. today we have 272. it's dropped nearly in half. in 1991 we had over a third more soldiers in our army and we were launching 1100 air attacks a day. we were carpet bombing them. after 37 days of 1100 air attacks today, our troops went in and mopped up the remnants of the iraqi army because that's the effect of carpet bombing. you know what we are doing now? between 15 and 30. >> first of all, military people will tell you we didn't carpet bomb in kuwait. in the gulf war. that we did precision striking. in addition, if i may, iraqi army was all masked by itself in the kuwaiti desert. we are talking about isis soldiers who are not masked. they are imbedded in mosul. if i may, sir, let me move on.
>> hold on, if you're going that make a point, let me respond to it. >> okay. i would like to ask you about votes and not the rhetoric. >> if you're going to make a pint, let me respond to it. >> go laid, sir. >> right now rules of engagement, seeing 15, 20 attacks a day, photo op foreign policy. we're not taking out the oil fields. we're not taking out for example, we saw recent reports about jihadist university. why isn't that building rubble? in 1991 we had 2,000 planes there launching this air attack. about 200 right now. fighting against isis and the difference is we do not have directed concentrated efforts because this president pretends like this enemy doesn't exist like these are isolated lone wolves. he gives the state of the union that is a state of denial where he said ice sis a bunch of guys in pickup trucks. no, they are a serious terrorist force. we can defeat them but not if
the president is unwilling to do so and as president, i will defeat isis. we will utterly destroy them and it takes a commander-in-chief to do that. >> you have voted, last three years in a row against the defense authorization act. and while you attack president obama for failing to observe the red line and go after them for the use of chemical weapons, in fact back in 2013 you oppose give is the president that authority. >> okay. so two questions there. you want it talk about area or -- >> i think they are both of a pattern -- >> let's talk about them one at a time. let's talk about syria. in syria, my view on foreign policy is every aspect of foreign policy, every use of military power, should be directed to the vital national security interest of america. the problem with syria and when president obama wanted to engage in attack, a unilateral attack against assad, i said, all
right, let's hear the commander-in-chief tell us how this advances our vital national security. president obama was unable to do so. they vacillated between points of incoherence. at one point, john kerry saying it was it advance an unbelievably small attack. a photo op. press release. that doesn't make any sense. the question i asked over and over again both in public hearings and in private hearings was if you succeed, if you topple and how do we stop radical islamic terrorists. how do we stop al qaeda or isis from taking over syria? >> i will interrupt. and very very respectfully. but i want to cover more ground. >> your answer is it is not effective. >> it would have hurt our interest to give syria it isis. hurts national security -- >> you oppose rather giving him the authority to observe the red line. >> but why? >> well, what about the three
times in a row that you voted against the defense authorization act? >> that's all together a separate issue. >> i understand. >> you just said they were tied together. you want to talk about the defense authorization act. when i campaign for senate, i promise the people of texas i would not support a defense authorization act that has within it language authorizing the indefinite detention of u.s. citizens on u.s. soil. i have supported over and over again with each defense authorization act on amendment that would say if you arrest a u.s. citizen on u.s. soil. you are entitle to what the constitution gives us. and senate keeps blocking that amendment. >> you say that protecting an american accused of aiding terrorism is more important than authorizing the use of -- the military of the united states? >> honoring the promise i made to the men and women who elected me is my first obligation, it's what i've done everyday in the senate. is do what i said i would do.
>> that's more important? >> now, listen, and -- >> and what is the rise m money for the military? >> by the way, the defense authorization act i'm on the senate armt committee. i've introduced amendments adopted into that bill. i have worked actively on the defense authorization act. i would like to support it at end if they would add the protection for the civil rights of american, in a heart beat and one amendment i introduced, that passed into law was in december a year ago it was an amendment mandating that soldiers murdered at ft. hood finding that asan would receive the purple heart. and fighting tooth and nail against me and very proud to get the support of both democrats and republicans we pass that legislation in december over a year ago and last april, i was in ft. hood when the purple hearts were awarded and to each and their families, they said thank you for your service and sacrifice and i'm sorry it took over five years for your country to acknowledge that you were
fighting terrorism. >> senator, you have taken real hits this week and so-called new york values. i don't know if you add chance to see him because you've been on the campaign trail. here is the new york post. they say cruz missiles. and they quote rudy giuliani as saying that he thought that new york had gotten over -- or rather the country got over the knee jerk reaction of new york. accusing you of a sneering apology. here is the new york daily news. flying doesn't pay. your reaction. >> these are certainly amusing and it is amusing saying the media lead in new york and d.c. run around with their hair on fire and wondering what on earth new york values and the rest of the country people understand exactly what is that is. and in south carolina people there certainly understand it.
and you know what. >> and in 9/11 new york values? >> you know what is -- that formulation didn't come from me it came from donald trump. donald trump when he was interviewed by ken russert, explaining views a number of years ago -- >> 1999. >> he explained his views were that he was very pro choice. supported partial birth abortion. open to gay marriage. explanation for all of that, he said, i'm a new yorker. i'm from manhattan. those are the views from new york. those are what new york values are. they are not iowa values but they are new york values. that is the explanation of what new york values are. it is how he articulated it. he is displaying such outrage. and that anyone would even acknowledge there is a particular particular value. and it is a view echoed by far less liberal democratic politicians like andrew cuomo, like bill de blasio, like hillary clinton, and donald trump supported those candidates
and supported their positions on a lot of issues. >> one final question i want to ask you, as i said, we are just running out of time. you condemn the washington cartel, which you call the lobbyists and career politicians, who rig the game. i want it ask you about one of your recent acts as a senator. you voted last month not to add money for the insurance program but you switched your vote. and decided to add the money. take a look. >> mr. cruz. >> no. >> under cruz. aye. >> senator, isn't that exactly the kind of game that the washington cartel plays? >> you know, chris, i appreciate your passing on other campaign hits but that is based on the factual stake. in that instance they flipped the order of votes. and so i went up initially voting, voting one way and believing we were voting on an issue on the export import back. and when i voted that way, pat
roberts made a comment about crop insurance. i was puzzled because what i believed i was vetting on concerning export/import, not crop insurance. i went back to my team and said what went wrong. my team said, i apologize, they switched the order -- >> they said they came up to you and explained and specifically said this will hurt new iowa. >> pat said this is about crop insurance. i was completely puzzled because my staff briefing said the order of votes, you have a bunch of votes in the senate and they change votes sometimes. my traf got it wrong, briefed me on the wrong vote. i said, wait, i didn't know i was voting on crop insurance and the vote open for 15 minutes so i went back and asked. what is this. oh, it is crop insurance. >> so you didn't change your mind? >> i did not change my mind.
this is the media games people play. we said it was a mistake on our part. we misunderstood the order of the votes. we realized it and voted the way i intended to. >> senator cruz, thank you. thanks for your time. we will be out in iowa. hope to see you on the campaign trail. hope we have more time to talk about more subjects. >> thank you. >> up next, bringing in our sunday group to discuss eye rn's release of the american prisoners just as the west starts to implement that landmark nuclear deal. plus, what do you think? is the deal with iran good or bad for the u.s.? how much can we trust iran? facebook or twitter for fox news sunday.
the united states, our friends and ally nets middle east and the entire world are safer because the threat of the nuclear weapon has been reduced. >> secretary of state kerry announcing implementation of the nuclear deal with iran the same day the two countries agreed it a prisoner swap. time for the syndicated columnist george will. carol lee who covers the white house for gop journal. karl rove. karl, what do you make of the release of the four american prisoners, hostages, whatever you want to call them just as the u.s. starts liftings sanctions against iran? >> i think it is a good thing they were released. we paid a high price. 17 people pardoned. 14 people not prosecuted. but americans are coming home. this is obscuring a bigger issue and that is, secretary of state kerry said today marks the first day of a safer world.
why should we beleave that in iranians have not lived up to a single agreement they've made. they have tested since this agreement was arrived at ballistic missiles in apparent violation of it. took our u.s. sailors out and violation of their international agreements paraded them for propaganda purposes. and even on the eve of secretary's statement, he and the iranian foreign minister were engaged in a debate about the nature of the century fuses that iran is able to develop within the decade. we are already arguing about whether or not they can go as far as they think they can go in this. so this is not a safer world. this is the first day of a very long bad period in which the iranians will take this deal and run with it. >> carol, i want to ask you about what senator cruz said and what other republican candidates which is basically we traded terrorists, iranian terrorists. he said i'm not sure they are terrorist but bad actors on iran's part. some of them convicted of crimes for violating the sanctions for
four american hostages. at the white house, you cover, is there some sensitivity to that issue? >> their argument is that this -- they needed to show an act of good faith to get the americans home. and they had a list of iranians held in the u.s. that iran gave to them. and they chose the seven basically because they were not charged with terrorism or any sort of violence. it was violation of sanks. i think the question to the white house now and this president going forward with a year left is where the relationship goes from here. you've had three successes in the white house viewed this week for diplomacy. release of the sailors quickly. now the release of these americans. the relationship is tested in two ways. first, the negotiations they are having to end the conflict in syria which iran is involved in and second what iran does with this roughly $100 billion and
how much mischief they make in the world. >> let me pick up on that. i think it is fair to say that relationis between the u.s. and iran already complicated the grow even mor complicated when you saw that this week. we got the release of those 10 u.s. sailors. first seized, then released. western sanctions against iran have been lifted. and now we have the release of the four american hostages. what do we make of this relationship? >> there's a temptation to see a pattern and flurry of events, which is why it is good to remember the post talk and the rooster crows and the sun rises, therefore the crowing of the rooster causes the sun to rise. i'm not sure how these things are related. clearly there seems to be some relationship between the timing of the lifting of the sanctions and the particular swap occurring. but then you go back a week and people say, well, it was clever of the iranians to seize the
ship. we don't know whether the ship had engine trouble. navigation error. we don't know whether there was a bad decision. we don't know how it got there in the first place. mr. kerry decided to construe this. as proof the relationships developed while negotiating the nuclear accord are not paying off. we shall see. he also said this proves the power of diplomacy. diplomacy will always work in the sense of reaching an agreement in the asymmetry of desire. one side eager to get to the end. you'll get to the end. finally a temptation here and the echo of the cold war we are trying to maneuver between the hawks and doves and kremlin in the cold war. now the hawks and the doves and teheran. i don't know. the supreme leader is not immortal. well see regime change of some sort in iran. and until then it remains very opaque. >> and it doesn't necessarily mean regime change because you replace one with another.
you still have a theocracy. >> when have you a regime as dominated as it is by one man, when you change the leader, you change the nature of the regime. >> chuck, is this the roller coaster we have to expect with iran when there are some things that please us like the quick release of the sailors. like the release, not so quick, of these four hostages. but on the other hand, you know, they continue as karl says, to violate the agreement. testing ballistic weapons. and in some ways, you know, we are as disturbed by their actions as of. >> yes. and i would add that the iranians did something very clever in the midst of all this, which is make a huge order for airplanes from europe. the airbus planes. they are already working to divide u.s. interests from european interests with an eye on the future of any kind of sanctions that might be supposedly snapped back under
this agreement. another group of people who are eyeing all this with concern of course are the sunni arab states saudi arabia, gulf arabs, and turkey which is an arab that is sunni who have seen all along between the u.s. and iran. a threat to the region and source of instability. all the mischief that iran is up to, karl mentioned ballistic missiles but things like in yemen and disturbances along the shiite regions of saudi arabia, all that mischief is still to be worked out. john kerry would argue that the iran deal on nukes makes all that more manageable. i don't think the saudis would agree. >> and iran is going to have another $150 billion in its kofr if it want to use it and some people are saying well instead of using it to help the people of their country they end up using it to create more
mischief. >> that's good news on that score is the low oil price. that makes it a relative opportune moment that they can't maximize it right away. >> we have to take a break. we will see you all later. up next, paul ryan on the gop agenda and heading into a big election year. plus, we will ask what it was like sitting behind president obama during the state of the union address. i know how it is. you're all set to book a flight using your airline credit card miles. and surprise! those seats sometimes cost a ridiculous number of miles, making it really hard to book the flight you want. luckily, there's a better way... with the capital one venture card. with venture, you'll earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day.
a look outside the beltway of baltimore's inner harbor where house and senate republicans worked on their policy goals for 2016 at their annual retreat. new speaker of the house paul ryan had a busy week residing over his first state of the union and working on the gop agenda for this year. we spoke with them friday just after the party retreat wrapped up. >> mr. speaker, welcome back it fox news sunday. >> thanks for having me. good morning, chris. >> you say that you want congressional republican is to be the proposition party, not just the opposition party. i know that you're going to be addressing a number of topics this year like the economy. like national security. but did you agree at all on an agenda, on any specific
proposals of this retreat? >> yes, we did, actually. we agreed on five basic areas that we will be working on to build a very bold agenda to take to the country in 2016. like you said, jobs, economy, national security, poverty and upward mobility, restoring the constitution. making sure we get government back to the separation of powers in our contusion and replacing obama care with patient-centered health care and dealing with entitlement issues so we don't have a debt crisis in this country. we got into a lot of specifics but this is something we are work from the bottom up. this is not from the top down. this is from bottom up. members of congress and their constituents forming this agenda. it is way too soon to get into specifics. we will be rolling this out in spring before we eventually have a nominee. >> now there is reportedly a big difference in strategy between u.n. senate republican leader mcconnell. you want to pass specific legislation on tax reform, on
replacing obama care, leader mcconnell supposedly wants to protect his members who are seeking reelection from any tough votes. how did you resolve that? or how do you resolve that? >> well, this agenda is not going to be passed into law. barack obama is the president. so our goal here is not to simply just pass things and watch them go nowhere because we have a white house that doesn't agree with that. our goal here is to say here is what we will do in 2017 if the country gives us the authority to do this. and we will need a new republican president. this will not be an agenda they can pass with the progressive as president. it is an agenda to pass to the republican president in 2017 and perfectly consistent with where the senate republicans are as well. let's talk a little bit about the current president you sat behind president obama during this week's state of the union address. and your wife jana reportedly told you that she didn't want to see you grimacing or shaking your head if you disagreed with something the president said. you had to practice your poker
face. the speech is over. the poker face is over. what did you think of what the president had to say? and why did you say you felt he had degraded the presidency in this speech? >> i think he is very political. i think he is what i call intellectual arguments. if people do not agree with them, trying to win the debate in an intellectual way by putting up strong man arguments. i think he has been the most polarizing president we've had in my lifetime. i think he tries to shift blame for his own mistakes on to other people. i think it was a fairly partisan and political speech. i don't think he can help it. he is always in campaign mode. and he just sees the world as what he wishes it would be, not what it is. and that makes for tunnel vision for a president. >> let's talk about a specific issue. ten yemeni prisoners transferred from guantanamo bay this week. and that now brings the total at gitmo to under 100.
last sunday, on this show, the white house chief of staff said that if congress doesn't close gitmo the president will. take a look. >> we will close gitmo because it is bad for national security and too costly. he feels an obligation to his successor to close that, and that's why we will do it. >> congress repeatedly barred the president from doing that. but what if he goes ahead which he indicated, if you heard mcdonough say, we will do it. >> look, i've watched that interview live last week and i did not have my poker face. i just kept shaking my head. there they go again. i don't think they think the constitution matters any more. the executive can make it up as he goes. the law is really clear. even the attorney general, the president's attorney general came to congress and acknowle e acknowledged, the law is the law. the president can't do that. the president can't send prisoners to the states.
and so he can send whoever proposal he wants -- oh, by the way, chris. the law banning transfer of gitmo detainees to america was put into law by democrats in congress and has been in law ever since and recently signed in law as recently as december. so look, he can send them wherever he wantis, but the law is the law. i would be amazed if the president would then try and direct our military to carry out orders where they knowingly are breaking the law. i can't imagine he would do that. send whatever plan he wants but this just goes -- this is just another chapter in the store rit president trying to make it up as he goes. but you know -- this limits places him in the constitution. if he tries to break the law, he will be called for trying to break the law. >> that's the point, though. that you and other republican leaders said the same thing about obama care and some of the changes he made there. saying the same thing about temporary amnesty for illegals. if he goes ahead and does it, can you stop him? >> look, there's two points i would make on that.
number one, are these guys going back on the battlefield? shouldn't we be more worried about that than him keeping a campaign promise? amnesty, he was doing something we believe was unconstitutional, because it was. what did we do? found the best way forward to prevent that from happening were our border state governments, sued the administration, and guess what? he didn't get the executive amnesty. it is not happening because we were successful. whatever we will do when he does one of these access is take the best way forward we can come up with to get the best rugs which is to stop him from doing it. >> you keep talking about "we." there is obviously a seriously flit within the ranks of the house of republicans. speaker boehner was forced out. and hard line conservative are upset that you and some people before you, including boehner, raised the debt limit. passed a budget. and lost your leverage.
which raises the question when the budget runs out next september, are you prepared to really wield the power of the purse? and if it means shutting down government, shutting it down to push your policies? >> well what i think is more important, or most important, is we have an appropriations process that functions. what was dysfunctional and there is lots of blame to go around, was the fact that we pile up all of the appropriations. which is supposed to be broken up into 12 pieces, 12 bills. and one big om bill. i hate that. so we will have 12 separate bills so as you describe, we don't have some big shut down moment. 12 separate bills. regular order. the way the founders intended it. and follow suit. that's what 2016 will be about, which is using the power of the purse more effectively. getting congress to work the way it was supposed to be working in the first place and that's why we are off it a really good start doing that. >> south carolina, governor,
nikki haley, give the official gop response to president obama this week. and in that response, she criticized donald trump. rush limbaugh and conservatives basically took off after you and said that there was an effort by the gop establishment to stop trump. take a look at haley and limbaugh. >> during anxious times it can be tempting to follow the siren call of the angriest voices. we must resist that temptation. >> nikki haley is the establishment of the firewall. in south carolina where the establishment put the brakes on and bring this trump stuff to a screeching halt. >> mr. speaker, how do you plea? >> look, i read her speech the day before she gave it. it was a great speech. when i read her speech i wasn't thinking of anybody in particular. i wasn't thinking donald trump. i was thinking this is a good message it unify the conservative movement and go to
the country with a positive movement. i think we win with conservatives if we unify. i think that's the beauty of her message. i want thinking of any one particular individual when she made that address. >> finally, you seem to have perfected your poke are face for the state of the union. i wonder, could you give that same look again? i would like it see what the poker face looks like. >> you know, it is hard to do. i just today stair at the back of his head and just not -- look, i don't agree with the president on pretty much anything. i'm a fairly expressive person. i'm an irish guy. that was hard to do. you can't ask me to do it on command. >> give us five seconds of the poker face. >> okay. there, how is that? will that work for you? >> two seconds. how did your wife -- >> try it for an hour and 15 minutes for the first time. hard to do. >> how did your wife say you did? >> she thought i passed the test. >> mr. speaker, thank you. safe travels. see you back here in washington. >> thanks, chris. take care.
>> up next, the latest polls show bernie sanders is gaining on democratic front-runner hillary clinton. our sunday group handicaps a nation turning into a contest. plus, what would you like to ask the panel about the tightening democratic race? just go to facebook or twitter at fox news sunday. we may use your questions on the air.
now if that the kind of revolution he is talking about, i am worried, folks. >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders sharpening their attacks ahead of tonight's democratic debate. as the nomination turns into a real contest and we're back now with the panel. as we say democratic race is tightening across the country here is the latest real clear politics average of recent polls. first nationally you can see clintian leads sanders by 8 1/2 points. now clinton's led down to 2 point in at least one pole and in new hampshire, sanders continues to lead clinton by more than six point. a month ago it seemed that hillary clinton was on her way pretty easily to the nomination. question? what happens? >> bernie sanders has, there's a lot of enthusiasm among democrats for something different and he is happen node that and it is cutting into her advantage and you know, it is
coming down to basically a race between enthusiasm and organization and the interesting thing about bernie sanders is that he has the enthusiasm. some are comparing to what barack obama had in 2008 but it is unclear he has the organization and that remains to be seen in what happens in iowa and new hampshire. >> even particularly whether he has the organization after those first two -- >> yes. and questions for the panel and we got this on facebook from steve norton. he writes, where do all the new york d.c. expert say bernie can't wayne? i say if he wins the first two states, important money will overtake hillary because that's where the democratic base really is. karl? >> one, there are not enough johnson county, iowas around the country or keen, new hampshires around the country. these are very liberal democrats. in iowa they turn out at college county in iowa, a will could edge town in new hampshire.
bernie sanders is likely to win both of these. if you look at even in iowa, where hillary and the real politics average leads by four points, she -- there's one poll which is done using automated telephone devices, giving her a led. you take that out and polls average to 0.6 percent lead. she was way ahead in december. 8 of 8 polls led by 18 points in average in december, it collapsed. and it is collapsing because not just because he's got the excitement. it is because she is old and tired. and he seems to be fresh and liberal. and the fact of the matter is after you head south it gets very tough because there are not a lot of liberal places as liberal as we find in new hampshire and iowa to sustain it when you get to suj caroline why or nevada. a lot more african-americans, latinos and fewer liberal wackos. >> they're americans too, karl. then the republican rights which
increasingly seems to be a battle between two candidates as we saw in the debate this week. take a look. >> i'm not bringing a suit, i promise. but the democrats are going to bring a lawsuit. and you can't -- you have to have certainty. >> i'm not going to be taking legal advice from -- >> you don't have to. >> have you wrapped your head around the idea that it is more-likely-than-not basis that the republican nominee will be ted cruz or donald trump? >> i think it is a little too early. they can't win with trump, can't win without trump supporters. so the question mark hanging over the party is will and if so how much will donald trump underperform his polls? iowa does have a great record of picking the nommy and new hampshire likes to go against iowa. i think south carolina is the place it look. tray gowdy, respected man. don't know how much endorsements matter. >> member of congress. >> member of congress. he endorsed rubio.
senator scott hasn't endorsed anyone yet. neither has governor haley. chris christie says it is not coming down to two in a hurry. it will come down to a final four in its own march madness just paralleling basketball. he thinks you'll have trump and cruz sustain for a while. you'll have, he thinks, christie and rubio sustain ford a while. then the governors will sort this out preferring christie because he is, a, a governor. he notes foreign governors so far and 24 hasn't. christie says that will propel him. >> i can hear him saying it remains in did nile. >> i'm sure that's what we are saying. >> i'm in denial. >> how do you see the republican right? >> news for me this week is clashes between cruz and trump who previously treated each other with kid gloves. i think cruz was surfing the
trump wake so to speak. and i think on net i would give the advantage to cruz slightly, the first guy to leave him speechless in that exchange about the so-called birther issue. he is the first guy in this whole campaign to get under trump's zin a little bit make him act defensively. start attacking and so forth and we see the first shade of -- even though trump did very well in that debate, the first shade of vulnerability in trump, first crack in his veneer, and if somebody and others can continue to widen that, trump may finally have this long-awaited fizzle. >> we've got about a minute left. >> as george mentioned, there is four so-called establishment candidates all vying to be the one coming out of that. you can see them there, rubio, christie, bush, kasich of those
four who has the advantage right now. >> if you look at polls in iowa rubio is running third. >> and trump leads modestly in the real clear politics average but i think cruz is likely won the state in new hampshire a lot less clear. you may have rubio cruz and kasich all within 2 point 4 point of each other. and if you have the real lear politics and given the nature of the average that's a -- >> so will you give us a name or not? >> i think it is -- it's going to be new hampshire is the key to making this a slimmer field. >> thank you, panel. see you next sunday. up next, power player of the week. donald trump's right-hand man.
with the presidential race now at fever pitch we want to take you inside the campaigns to meet some of the key figures behind the candidates. and there was only one choice for who should go first. here is our power player of the week. >> what's it like managing donald trump? >> that's a tough question. nobody manages mr. trump. i think i equate this to being a jockey on the greatest race horse you've ever seen. maybe american pharaoh. >> running the trump campaign,
and the jock ey analogy works. corey says while he may guide his candidate occasionally, his main job is to hang on and let trump run. >> when he gets up on the stage or does an interview, do you know what's going to happen beforehand? >> i don't think anybody knows. that's what the american people love. he tells it like it is. >> corey says experts underestimate the organization behind the man. noting their state director in iowa is chuck laudener, who helped rick santorum win caucuses in 2012. >> we have our faith in chuck because he knows what he's doing. this is super bowl for chuck. christmas and super bowl combined. it is fundamentally wrong to notion that those people who waited six hours in line to attend a one-hour political rally aren't going to walk in on caucus night and say i'm supporting donald trump. i just don't believe it. >> corey says there is another misconception about trump. >> do you ever tell him no? and if so, does he listen?
>> we tell him no all the time and he listens. but like everybody else, you be selective and choose the right places to insert yourself. sometimes he will hold me back a little bit, which is good. he has tremendous energy. the opposite of jeb bush. he has tremendous energy. going all the time. and he really does have a good vision for politics. >> hang on one second, okay? >> corey admits he is an adrenaline junky. when we visited campaign headquarters he had to burn off energy. he even has a wall of shame of unflattering photos of each candidate that dropped out. how did he get into politics? >> i was six years old. i turned on the television and i heard ronald reagan say strong military, smaller government. i said, i don't know who that is, but i like that guy. >>. >> while in college he ran for state representative in his hometown of lowell, massachusetts and lost big. then a stint working on capitol hill and for the rnc. but over the last 15 years he moved away from the gop
establishment. >> at the end of the day, nothing is getting done. >> he worked four years as new hampshire state policeman. >> i got to go around and arrest people for boating while intoxicating. that is a fantastic job. and they paid me do this. i can't believe it. >> a cardboard cutout of the democratic governor about taxes. all of which has some people saying, donald trump's campaign manager is a lot like him. >> watching him in action. and that is what drives us everyday. he will not be outworked. there is nothing he won't do to be successful in this endeavour. >> corey is called a bomb thrower who dismisses country club republicans. little wonder trump hired him to run his presidential campaign a year ago. now this program note. next sunday i will sit down with senator marco rubio. just ahead of the next gop debate. it's a sunday exclusive. that's it for today. have a great week.