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make live -- >> better, cheaper, more abundant and available than before. >> i can't wait. and that's our show. thank you for i'm chris wallace reporting from manchester, new hampshire. today, the governors. they started as the front-runners in the gop race for president. now they're fighting just to stay alive. >> you have not been involved in a consequential decision where you had to be held accountable. you just simply haven't. >> let me talk. quiet. he thinks he can impose anything he wants. he's not a king. he's a president. >> we'll talk with all three as they battle in the gop establishment lane against a rising marco rubio. >> this notion of barack obama doesn't know what he's doing is just not true. >> there it is. there it is the memorized
25-second speech. >> and see if they can put a dent in the iowa frontrunners. >> going to build a wall. we're going to triple the border patrol. we're going to replace obamacare with something so much better. >> kasich, bush, and christie live only on "fox news sunday." then the battle between the two democratic candidates gets down right nasty. >> secretary clinton does represent the establishment. >> enough is enough. if you have something to say, say it directly. >> we'll ask our sunday panel whether bernie sanders put an end to the clinton coronation. all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in new hampshire. we're just outside downtown manchester. on the campus of st. ansem college. there is snow outside but inside davidson hall, the fire is going
and in two days voters head to the poll in new hampshire. last night the republican candidates debated one more time. the goal for several of them to take down rubio and to join trump and cruz in the top tier. in a few minutes, we'll talk with the three governors, christie, kasich and bush, all fighting to stay alive in the gop race. but first, fox news chief political correspondent carl cameron on winners and losers and there were some of both in last night's debate. carl? >> reporter: good morning, chris. first in the nation voters tend to wait until the very last minute to make up their minds. so last night's battles are sure to have an effect on their decisions. marco rubio surging in the polls got hit by chris christie for inexperience and repeated canned, memorized lines. >> he simply does not have the experience to be president of the united states and make these decisions. >> i think the experience is not just what did you but how it worked out under chris christie's governorship of new jersey, they've been downgraded nine times in their credit rating. >> that's what washington, d.c. does, drive by with incomplete
information and then the memorized 25-second speech. >> chris, your state got hit by a massive snowstorm two weeks ago. you didn't want to go back. they had to shame you into going back. this notion that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing is not true. >> there it is. there it is. the memorized 25-second speech >> donald trump defended his support for eminent domain and . jeb bush called him out for how he's used it. >> they all want the keystone pipeline. the keystone pipeline without emhe nent domain wouldn't go 10 feet. you need eminent domain. >> what donald trump did is he tried to take the property of an elderly woman on the strip of las vegas. >> a lot of time property from an elderly woman. >> let me talk, quiet. >> a lot of times -- force. >> eminent domain is unpopular in new hampshire. there is a project proposed years to bring power lines from
canada throughout north country and it has been stalled by residents' objections. john kasich needed a good night and he got good reviews. the governors really seemed to reassert themselves yesterday. now, chris, it's a sprint for the next two days until the polls close on tuesday night. >> carl, thanks for. that now to the first of the three governors stopping by our manchester set here today, the man at the center of the marco rubio episode, new jersey governor chris christie. welcome back to "fox news sunday". >> thanks >> your takedown of marco rubio for having me, chris. and that's all i can call it, was the story of the night. here is one more clip. >> from protecting the people of florida from eminent domain of use to bringing accountable to the va and to sanctioning terrorist groups, i'm proud of my service in the united states senate. >> the fact is -- [ applause ] the fact is when you talk about hezbollah sanctions act that you list as one of your accomplishments. you weren't even there to vote for it. that is not leadership. that's truancy.
>> so, governor, what do you think last night's debate revealed about marco rubio? >> first off, i think it revealed something about what you need to be president of the united states. you have to be tested. you have to be prepared. you have to be experienced. you have to be ready. and quite frankly, that's what i tried to show the folks last night that i'm tested and prepared and ready. what i've been saying about senator rubio was on full display last night. he's not ready, chris. he's a good guy but he's not ready to be president of the united states. >> you showed and you have been a long time prosecutor, you showed how skilled you are at that as rubio seemed almost to unravel like a witness under cross-examination personally on that stage. how did you feel? >> i felt justified. because i've been saying this for a long time. i don't think that people have been really listening. but the fact is there were a lot of people watching and listening last night. it's not about marco rubio. it's about our country. it's about the american people. we've had a president for seven years who was the first united states senator who never managed
anything in his entire life and our government is unraveling. we have the russians and ukraine in crimea. we have syria falling apart, libya falling apart. our economy is growing at .7% and middle class wages are going backwards. we don't need another on the job training in the white house. we need someone that has done this stuff and i've done it. i felt that and i'm glad the american people are getting to see this before they make a mistakes. >> according to the real clear politics average of the recent polls here in new hampshire, you are running sixth at this point with less than 5% support. there are some political observers who watched last night and said, you know, you really hurt rubio but did you help yourself in a position that you're in now which is not too good? >> none of the polls were taken after last night, were they? and what people saw last night, millions of people saw last night was that i'm ready to be president of the united states. and -- >> how do you show that? i know you showed the flaws in rubio. how did you show your leadership just because you took him down?
>> remember something, chris. he tried to come back at me. i answered him every time because i've been tested. who do you want on that stage against hillary clinton? do you want -- do republicans want to see someone who can absolutely answer secretary clinton's every question in a debate in september so that we actually win the presidency? or do we want to see someone who will crumble in front of hillary clinton? that is extraordinarily important. by the way, this is about the american people, chris. we need an experienced president. we need a successful presidency. the american people desperately need it. and i have been tested, whether it is rebuilding my state after hurricane sandy or standing up to the democratic legislature or teachers union, i'm tough enough to take on hillary clinton and tough enough to take on the problems that face the united states. >> rubio tried to get into your record. and not terribly successfully. but tried. you have had bridgegate which involved some of your top aides. you have had nine credit down grades in new jersey on your watch. new jersey has the eighth
slowest job growth since the recession ended in 2009. those are not badges of honor. >> except you're using dated material. this year 2015, new jersey had the greatest job growth in 15 years. in 15 years. that spans five different governors. this year we created over 60,000 private sector jobs in new jersey. by the way, we cut spending -- >> what about the downgrading. this is january information. you're still the eighth slowest state in job recovery. >> chris, we were the slowest state when i became governor. the slowest state. and i'm working with the democratic legislature that won't do everything i want to do but with the stuff i have forced them to do, we now moved up the chart. i'm not going to let anybody insult the people of new jersey who have worked hard to bring our state back. by the way, in the midst of all that, too, we were hit with the second worst natural disaster in american history that devastated our state and in light of that, to have us come back in 2015, it is extraordinary.
and the people of new jersey deserve great credit and i'm honored to lead them. i won't let marco rubio or anyone else, even you, my friend, insult the people of my state. >> i'm not insulting you. i'm citing your record. >> it's their state. it's not just my state. it's their state. it's our country. and i'm not going to allow hem to insult the effort of the people of new jersey. they've done a great job. >> let me ask you about another governor. you have to be the top governor coming out of new hampshire. >> i'd like to be. >> well, there are three of you. we're going to talk to all of you one after the other. your superpac attacks john kasich for congress and governor of ohio he spent eight years on wall street. but governor, your wife works on wall street. in fact, she's the primary bread winner in the christie family. major industry donor to the christie campaign and superpac is the financial industry. so what is wrong with wall street? >> first of my wife isn't
running for anything. >> i know. >> my wife is not running for anything. and what that points out is that governor kasich, what the superpac says he is was there when lehman went down. he was the managing director when it went down and he voted in congress for bailouts for the banks and special interest loopholes. it's not about how much money he made. it's about how much money when he was in congress he let others make. and that's what the point of the commercial is, not anything else. by the way, as i said last night, john is a good governor. i'm just better. >> what about the argument, and this is our last question, that you've got four of you, three governors and rubio in the so-called establishment lane. you're all bouncing against each other. and ultimately, whatever divides you, you would all like to see one of you win versus trump or cruz. at some point and how quickly do all of you need to coalesce around one of them? i know you hope it will be you. but coalesce around one of you to take them on? >> all week the media is trying to make that we coalesce around marco rubio. after you saw that performance last night, do you think they should be coalescing around marco rubio?
do you think that's the performance, the leadership we want to see on the stage against hillary clinton? bottom line, chris, this is about the american people and changing their lives. we need a strong, tough president. hillary clinton is one of the toughest political fighters in this country. and she's going to fight like crazy. >> is this going to be like bumper cars? >> you bet. until the voters decide. you make me laugh. 180,000 people voted in iowa. and you want to end the race. >> i don't want -- i asked the question. >> this is what you're saying. >> i asked a question. >> but the question implies a position. should you all coalesce if you're bumping up against each other? >> i think you infer a position. >> infer, imply, same thing. there's no reason to coalesce after 10,000 people voted in a caucus. let's let the people vote. by the way, last night, what they saw is instructive. it's instructive and needs to be seen. and my strong leadership needs
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welcome back to new hampshire where we're now just two days from the first in the nation primary. joining us now, governor john kasich of ohio. governor, welcome back. >> thank you, sir. >> with all the fuss over marco rubio last night, you said something big that seemed to me kind of flew under the radar. you said in your first 100 days as president, you will submit a comprehensive immigration reform plan to congress including a path to citizenship. >> no, no, i didn't say that. what i proposed is, look, first of all, we're going to freeze all federal regulations for one year and have a vice president begin to deregulate, look at things that don't make sense, get rid of them. number two, we'll have tax cuts both for businesses and for individuals. number three, we're also going to restrain government so we can get to a balanced budget. number four, let's get the border fixed. number five, let's start working on social security. all within 100 days.
>> let's go to number four. you didn't say get the border fixed, you said comprehensive immigration reform including a path to legalization. >> right. >> for those that -- look, here's the deal. finish the wall. have a guest worker program where people can come in and work and go home and for the 11.5 million who are here and not committed a crime since they've been here, then a path to legalization. >> what about the argument and you hear this from a lot of republicans that you have to fix the border. >> yeah, you have to. >> before you even begin to discuss. >> get the border done and do the whole thing. look, chris, i'm not -- somebody says we have to sequence it. i don't have a problem with that. okay, first get the border. then six months we do this. if that's just a little detail. but we need to get it done. i've done 100 town hall meetings here. i've met with more people in new hampshire face-to-face than anybody running for president. i've done this all over the country. the country is ready for solutions.
contrary to what we hear from the pundits, the country wants answers. they want them to be conservative answers. but they don't want to just say, okay, forget it. we don't care what the democrats think. people say how are you going to bring people together? they ask me that all the time. i've done it all of my career. >> okay. you point out. you had your 100th town hall. i think the only person who has ever had more is john mccain. >> we've got more coming. >> you better hurry. you spent almost two months here. you know, i looked at your cash on hand, you're almost broke. >> i don't know that's true. >> i think you have about $1 million which is not a lot of money in campaigns. don't you have to finish first here among the so-called four establishment candidates? >> i've never been in the establishment. i'm not anti-establishment. >> 18 years in congress. >> i shook the whole system up. i'm offering budgets against my own president, trying to get to a balanced budget when he fell short. i reformed the welfare system. i was involved in restricting --
in reforming the pension as a republican. i said after we did welfare, i said you're going to reform welfare for the poor. reform it for the rich. i did all those things. >> i asked you in the debate, you said you're an inside out guy. don't you have to finish first among the hybrids? >> all i have to do is finish to a point that we all think we did well here. we're going to do well. i have an army of people, chris, the best ground game. gordon humphrey says the best ground game that he's seen in 40 years. here's the situation, people want to be with the winner rather than make one or would be a leader rather than make one. a lot of people have money. we do well here. first of all, we are organized. we're on the ground in south carolina. we have people. there we have people in nevada. look, mississippi right now, we have election tomorrow and i'd win because of trent lott. we're all over the place. >> the knock on you and quite frankly watching tv here in new hampshire, i see these negative ads over and over again.
>> i haven't run any. isn't that interesting? i actually run a positive campaign. >> the knock on you you're the "obama republican" as the ad puts it. i'm sure you've seen it. >> i haven't. >> we can look at it. >> common core, obama's medicaid expansion, tax increases. barack obama? no. john kasich. >> now we checked it out. you have raised some taxes but overall -- let me finish. you have raised taxes. net-net you lowered taxes. but all the rest of that is true. >> wait a minute. first of all, we cut tax by $5 billion, more than any governor in america. there is nobody balanced as many budgets as i have. cut as much taxes. wait a minute. wait a minute. first of all, chris, i propose taking 104 federal education programs, putting them into four buckets and sending them to the states. i have been clear from the very beginning that i support high standards and local control.
that's exactly what we do in ohio. our state school board approves the standards and local school boards are the ones that create the curriculum. i'm for total local control. not for anything out of washington. the education programs are all going to be moved back. >> common core is all local control. and you have said proudly that you're for higher common core standards. >> i'm for high standards which our state school board approves, and they're going through it again with a local boards of education, approving the curriculum with the advise and consent of parents. it's in our budget proposal. you can't be more local than. let's take a look at it. >> let's talk about obamacare. that you talk about it in one of your ads. >> my record, i cut taxes, balanced budgets, created jobs and rejected obamacare without leaving anyone behind. >> now you say rejected obamacare. there are a number of leading conservatives that say that's flat wrong.
because you pushed for the expansion of medicaid which is a pillar of obamacare. you pushed for it so hard, you went around your republican-controlled state legislatures to impose it. expansion of medicaid. >> can i explain this? >> absolutely. >> ronald reagan expanded medicaid five times. i can expand medicaid without having to have obamacare. number one, it was part of obamacare. can i finish? it doesn't matter. we can expand it without obamacare. what i've said is, first of all, i would repeal obamacare, second of all, i'm in court suing people to stop obamacare. we did not create a state exchange under obamacare. i will repeal it. i'm going to change the health care system to a point where it's really free market driven by paying pour hospitals and doctors that deliver quality health care at lower prices. don't try to hang me up on obamacare.
i don't like it. it doesn't control the cost of medicine. secondly, it hamstrings small business. and thirdly, it's driven up the cost of health insurance in my state by 80%. reagan did it five times by expanding medicaid. and by the way, our medicaid program has gone from over 10% growth to 2.5% in my second budget. >> governor? >> yeah? >> is that it? i want to talk longer. >> i want to end. that i want to be 6 feet tall but that's not going to happen. you have to go. >> here's the last thing. i have run a completely positive campaign about bringing people together. the establishment people have spent $5 million, $6 million, $7 million running ads against me. >> okay. >> wouldn't it be great if we could win being positive. >> governor, thank you. >> all right. thank you. good-bye, everyone. >> and as you gracefully leave, now, we're going to pull that out and we're going to bring in governor bush. >> they wired me in here. you got it? >> okay. you're all set.
>> okay. thank you. >> you can take that with you. >> okay. >> thank you. >> a year ago, bush was the clear front-runner for the republican nomination. now after finishing sixth in iowa, the former governor of florida is pinning his hopes on a comeback in new hampshire. governor, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> great to be with you. that was a quick transition. never done it this way. it is kind of cool. >> it is sort of like cool. everybody stopping by. i feel like a barber, one chair, no waiting. >> i need a hair cut. >> you had your own dustup last night with donald trump over the i issue of eminent domain. let's remind people of that. here it is. >> to turn this into a limousine parking lot for casinos is not public use. >> a lot of times you'll have -- you'll have -- and it doesn't work very well. >> how tough is it to take property from an elderly woman. >> let me talk. quiet. a lot of times -- a lot of times
-- [ booing ] >> what do you think that revealed about donald trump and how did you feel when the governor, eight year governor of the state of florida when he shushed you? >> it doesn't look like he's a president when he acts that way. it's easy to make him act that way. that's the problem. he doesn't sound like a conservative when he embraces eminent domain to use police powers to take private property for private use. that is outrageous. if you had to pick the one things conservatives go crazy about is this. in our state, we actually amended our constitution after the kilo decision to assure it never happens. he tried to take the property of a 75-year-old woman to use it to tear down to turn it into a parking lot for limousines for high rollers going to his failed casinos. this is not the same thing as a pipeline or a bridge or interstate highway. >> how bad a night for your
former protege marco rubio? >> you know, he is so scripted. he's so gifted. he's a great speaker. but he came across as totally scripted and robotic. and he just missed the sense of -- the question was about leadership. can you make a tough decision? and marco is gifted. but he's never had the chance to actually make a tough decision like governors do. every time i think about it, i think about eight hurricanes and four thunderstorms in 16 months. you can't script that. you have to go out and be all in to help people and we did. >> now, your superpac spent $20 million attacking rubio. here is a clip from one of the ads. >> marco rubio ran for senate saying he opposed amnesty, then he broke his promise joining with liberal democrats to co-author the path to citizenship bill. >> his fingerprints are all over that bill. >> and while you don't control the super pac, your campaign ran a full-page ad this week in a local paper.
eight republican speakers of florida house they say, "while senator rubio is a tremendous political talent, he is not the best choice to serve as commander in chief." >> exactly. >> there are other people that are focused on him. other than the fact that he's beating you, why go after rubio so hard? >> that's an important point. the people that know us best like marco and they pick me. the three statewide elected officials. all speakers prior than one that served prior to him and after him, a majority of the house and majority of the senate, they've had a chance to work with both of us. they pick me by, like, three quarters to 90% of them. the simple fact is i'm a leader. marco is a gifted young man. and there's a big difference. we're running for the presidency of the united states here. we're not running for the back bench in the united states senate. >> i know you don't like this question. you were on record supporting him to be romney's choice. i understand it was for vice president, not president. but that is a heartbeat away.
you said you cried for joy when he was elected in 2010. >> absolutely. yeah. >> were you wrong then? >> no, i wasn't wrong then. he's a gifted person. i was excited that he beat i did support him for vice president. guess what? he supported me for vice president with mitt romney. he decided to go a different direction from both of us. we're talking about the presidency of the united states right now. we're living in dangerous times made worse by barack obama. we need someone with a steady hand that can be a commander in chief and make the tough decisions. >> do you think the guy that was on that stage last night, who you endorsed for vice president, could be a heartbeat away from the president? >> i'm going to support the republican nominee. even if it's trump to show you how committed i am. >> how crazy you are? >> exactly. because donald trump is the guy that has the -- is completely unsteady about this stuff. but hillary clinton would be an unmitigated disaster for this country. we need to unite behind the candidate. i think it's going to be me, to be honest. i have the proven record. solid, consistent, conservative record.
you cannot have someone who is not a conservative running as the nominee for the conservative party. >> you started this campaign running as your own man saying that you are shaped by your "own thinking." >> yeah. >> but this week you brought in your beloved mom, 90-year-old -- she would be mad at me for saying that -- barbara bush. >> she's happy it with. >> former first lady and your super pac is running ads in south carolina featuring your brother. here's a clip. >> i know jeb. i know his good heart and strong backbone. jeb will unite our country. >> was keeping your family at such a distance for so long a mistake? >> no. look, there is no conflict here. i'm running for the presidency of the united states. i have to share who i am, show my life experience, what my ideas are to fix the mess in washington. but i'm a bush. and i've never tried to disown. that i'm totally blessed to be barbara bush's son and the brother of george w. bush and the greatest man alive is my dad. i think the timing of this is
appropriate. people are just -- this is the beginning. i know there is a tendency to kind of want to create a narrative where it's all ending. we haven't really lekted a we haven't really elected a single delegate yet. iowa just started. on tuesday, new hampshire will shape this election. >> you talk about that. and i've gotten that dustup with christie and kasich before you. there is an argument that there are four of you -- >> i heard the comments. >> the establishment lane. >> does rubio and the three governors and the argument is that if you're going to beat trump and cruz, sooner rather than later, you need to get together, pick one or let the voters pick one and back that person. >> let the voters decide this like they always do. they have this great ability to filter out the stuff that is not important, to focus on the things that are. and that's why i feel confident about this. people are giving me a look as well as other candidates. and we're starting to rise up here because we spent a lot of time here. we have a great ground game.
i feel good about tuesday. >> finally, senator lindsey graham who endorsed you, backed you here in new hampshire, says if you don't beat rubio -- >> he didn't say that. he said if i get crushed by rubio or something like that, that would be a problem. i'm not going to get crushed by anybody. >> he said -- the words he used is "you're toast." >> yeah, but he didn't say getting beat by rubio is not what he said. >> so it's okay. i mean obviously it's not okay, but you could survive if you get beat by rubio? >> chris, there are secret squirrel meeting that you get to where you decide who wins and who loses. marco rubio came in third place in iowa and was coronated. i can't control that. i'm just going to work my heart out. >> but you're not -- you're on to south carolina. >> wednesday morning. i have my first event in south carolina. and we're scheduling the nevada trip, too. >> governor bush, always a pleasure. thank you for making time for us on this very busy weekend. >> am i -- >> no, can you sit right where you are. there is no more switching. and we'll track what happens over the next 48 hours. thank you, sir. >> thanks. up next, our special new hampshire sunday group joins us
>> a key moment from last night's final republican debate just hours before the voting starts here in new hampshire. it's time now for our special sunday group. anchor of "special report," bret baier, julie pace who covers the white house for the associated press. we're honored to have former new hampshire governor john sununu -- we're honored to have all of you but especially him -- and political reporter from the "boston globe," john pindell. governor, your reaction to who helped themselves and who didn't? >> i think consensus that governors did well is correct. the three of them acting in concert reinforced the message that experience is important. i think senator rubio did step in it a couple of times. i think a lot of folks have missed the two nuggets rubio got out of the nice. i think the answer on life energized the kmubt. there is a huge chunk of folks that think president obama is messing the country up on purpose. and even though he repeated it three times and got criticized for it, i think he at least got
a nugget of benefit from those folks that think he was on target. >> julie, you were the lead reporter who wrote the big a.p. story overnight. your thoughts? how bad was the rubio meltdown? are we talking about rick perry oops territory here? >> if you talk to voters in new hampshire who are undecided about rubio, one of the questions that they do have is about his experience. about the fact that he has only been in the senate for one term. does he have the qualification? and i think that this could reinforce for the voters that there may not be another level or he may be too cautious and scripted. at the same time, a lot of those voters want somebody who is a good communicator, who is able to maybe bring more people into the party. but the challenge for him is there are a lot of undecided and if this is a really tough night for him, they could lose to one of the governors. who did have a strong night. >> you've been all over the state the last few days. i want you to take the big
picture. your sense of this race and the degree to which last night's debate reshaped it? >> it does shuffle the deck. i think donald trump is a beneficiary. going in, he has a big lead. i talked to him last night after the debate and he said he was just looking for the clubhouse in golf terms. you know, he was just playing it safe. and i think he's finding the clubhouse. and we'll see how the rubio moment changes things. i do think it was nice that governor christie welcomed you to your show. >> i was very grateful. >> the key thing in new hampshire is the 40% undeclared here. and they can either vote in the democrat or republican primary. they can go in that day and decide. you're talking about a lot of people that can shift just for that day. john kasich may benefit that way, too. >> james, you've been following this, you know, except for governor sununu, we come up here just before. you've been following this for
months. your sense of the race, your sense of the debate is trump holding on to the lead? which of the four -- boy they hate it when we say the four so-called establishment candidates is gaining traction here? >> there are a couple things. number one, all week, the question about trump is whether or not he will take himself out by something he says or some rival will take him out. it's a question about the ground game. the same questions following withiowa. can he actually get the people out to vote? now we put a lot of effort in the last month. but how efficiency and how targeted those efforts are? and look, when you go to the rallies, a lot of the people are not from new hampshire. people are working in the call centers are people who are so devoted to him, they moved up for the last three weeks n terms of that establishment lane, we saw one key thing flip this week. and that is for so many months this campaign has been about the anger of the base and whether or not the candidates get it. right now we're starting to see a flip among them.
who can actually beat hillary or bernie. they ride that wave earlier this week. now there are questions about it. i don't know how many people watched the debate last night. if we're being honest, a saturday night debate, but the news coverage that marco rubio had such a bad night will have an impact. >> you got to think that this -- >> oh, yeah. it is going to have an impact. >> to have late deciders, have this happen just before. >> one-third of republican voters say they're still making up their minds. this is about the independent voters right now. they have a number of different choices. yes, donald trump is winning them on the republican side. john kasich is doing well. but there is a question about bernie sanders. his lead here is based on three things. >> we're going to talk about the democrats in the next one. hold that thought for the next one. governor sununu, i think it's fair to say, i've been reading your clips, you are not a fan of donald trump. i got to say, i thought he had a good night last night. >> i thought he didn't.
he flubbed the eminent domain badly. i thought his answer on conservatism might get him a c in an english class but an f in political science. amongst conservatives. and i really do think he made a fool of himself on the answer on health care. he's going to put a program in and keep people from dying in the streets. there was nothing there. >> i think that he had a good night for two reasons. one, he started right off the top reminding voters of some of the things he said in the campaign that got him a lot of support from the beginning. his positions on immigration, positions on blocking muslims from coming to the u.s. and then the focus on marco rubio took a lot of the attention away from him in terms of direct attacks from his rivals with the exception of governor bush. i think he emerged relatively unscathed. if you were looking to go after him and try to knock him down in it new hampshire, i'm not sure that many rivals accomplished that. >> we're not talking about somebody here, ted cruz who for ted cruz, i don't think het best debate night. he is obviously really good in that environment. but because the rubio-christie exchange at the beginning, largely the night went away for ted cruz.
and he probably benefits in the long run. because all of the governors had a good night, that dilutes the fact that rubio had such a bad night and trump, you know, kind of sails towards the front. >> let me bring that up with you, jim. in the seconds we have left. what we were seeing going into that debate was that trump's lead, still sizable but it was slipping away. and it was slipping away to rubio. so if trump had a relatively good night, governor sununu to the contrary notwithstanding, doesn't that stand trump in good stead? >> this was a good night for donald trump for those reasons. this is really confusing week in terms of that establishment lane. rubio definitely rose. that made sense. the other three did not go down. just chris christie went down. kasich and bush held their own. so it will be interesting to see -- remember, we're talking about going up. we're talking going up in the margin of error. so thing this thing is a jump
ball. >> when we come back, we'll turn to the democratic race. is hillary clinton in danger of losing her front-runner status to bernie sanders? plus, what would you like to ask the panel over the battle of who is the more progressive democratic candidate? just go to facebook or twitter and we may use your question on the air.
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tightening democratic race. ed? >> chris, hillary clinton may be looking past new hampshire to the south. but bernie sanders is not going away easily. >> hillary clinton making history as the first female president is no longer a slam dunk. friends like madeleine albright are getting anxious. >> there's a special place in he hell for women who don't help each other. >> despite those dramatics, clinton is spending most of this sunday over 700 miles from manchester in flint, michigan trying to look presidential about the water crisis. >> it is totally unacceptable. and in the united states of america to have allowed this to happen. >> except the once inevitable nominee hit major roadblock on that road to the oval office. namely, bernie sanders. >> being part of the establishment is in the last
quarter having a super pac that raised $15 million from wall street. plus, there is the e-mail investigation and plunging poll numbers. sanders surged into a dead heat nationally which in december gave clinton a 31 point lead. her aides believe whether they get to battle grounds like south carolina where she has a big edge with african-americans, clinton will prevail. >> i think it's time to end the smear that you and your campaign have been carrying out. >> some democrats are frustrate ed it took so long for that push back against sanders. and now he's raising more money than clinton which gives him the fuel for a long struggle for the nomination. chris? >> ed, thanks. we're back with the panel. we asked you four questions for the panel and we got this on twitter from paul j. elliott. he tweets, hillary clinton sponsored by goldman sachs?
a progressive? julie, how badly do you think the big speaking fees and millions of dollars in campaign contributions from wall street, how badly do you think that's hurting clinton? she doesn't have a great answer. there is a great answer. it is widely accepted she would run for president and she still wants to be thanked. we haven't seen what she said when she spoke to wall street executives. every time that bernie sanders brings that up, it reinforces a narrative about her but also a narrative about him. >> do you think because it came up in the debate whether she would release the transcripts, and i love the pollsters said i don't think voters are interested. do you think she can make that stick not release the transcripts? >> i think the question that has been asked, i think it becomes harder for her not to release them. at the same time, we have no idea what is in the speeches. so there could be a reason they don't want to release them. >> brett, what struck me
watching that really interesting democratic debate this week and the clinton coronation is over. even in hillary clinton wins the nomination, it's going to be half a long, bitter battle with bernie sanders that's going to keep pushing her further and further to the left. >> that's right. i went to the event this week with the chief strategist for hillary clinton. they said that the poll is an outlier and they think by the time they get to south carolina everything is going to get back together for hillary clinton. the problem is that momentum means something. and movements mean something. and if bernie sanders has a huge win here in new hampshire, he's going to have a bounce that's going to, you know, give him a second look by all kinds of different parts of the democratic party. >> in addition to which he's got millions of dollars in the bank. there is nothing that's going to force him to get out of this race. >> exactly. >> that is a problem for hillary clinton. if she's vulnerable, i agree. i think this wall street thing is a big vulnerability.
and what is in that transcript, maybe it's warm and fuzzy language about goldman sachs. but the e-mail thing, let's not forget about it. it is serious. >> i want to get to that. because in the debate, clinton was asked how confident she is that fbi investigation will turn up nothing about her private e-mails and classified information on that. i'm confident this is a security review that was requested. it is being carried out. it will be resolved. >> governor sununu, how serious do you think the clinton e-mail scandal is and what about clinton's defense which is, well, some classified information turned up on colin powell's private e-mail. turned up on the e-mails of some of condee rice's aides, in effect, everyone does it? >> six months ago i was worried about her coronation. now i'm worried she's not going to get the nomination. the e-mails are a serious issue. bernie has not used them aggressively.
she got a free ride in that whole process. and i don't think she understands how close she is to real political and legal trouble with what's coming through the fbi. i think the behind the scenes activity of the democratic party in trying to keep joe biden propped up and ready tells more about what her situation is more than anything else. >> how do you see -- >> i think they're hoping that joe is ready to jump in quickly. the big donors are making commitments to him that if he does have to do it, they'll be there. they're just getting ready for plan b. >> james, your sense, are voters following the e-mail scandal specifically or does it show up in a perception of her on the issues of honesty and trustworthiness? >> obviously, did it impact her trustworthiness. you saw the numbers die since the spring heading into that 11 hour testimony. but in terms of democratic
primary voters, jewel sli right. they don't care. this is a general election issue. and how that flips into -- >> you don't see it's a problem at all in the primaries? >> i think it adds into this idea of the clintons. are there question marks that we have in terms of the democratic primary voter versus the enthusiasm you have towards bernie sanders? the two questions is something that we know and something that we don't know. something we know is that bernie sanders raised a lot of money. that is a very -- probably the most important metric. he raised more money than hillary clinton did. that is a really important metric. that means he can blast on. we can focus on the polls, but then it gets to the question of if. if he does really well here, i don't know. what is really well? is really well winning by ten points? that sounds pretty good. there is a perception that lead here is not that big inside both campaigns. >> bret, after watching the democratic debate and seeing how
he argued with her on even terms and seemed to really get under her skin and after watching him draw even, not in new hampshire but on the national polls, should we start taking bernie sanders more seriously as a potential democratic nominee? >> listen, it's easy to buy into the clinton argument that a number of states don't line up for bernie sanders. and in the african-american community, so far he does not have a lot of support. that can change. i don't think it's a fantasy to believe that bernie sanders could win other states. i also come back to here in new hampshire the undeclared voters. and they could shift for bernie sanders in a vote against hillary clinton. they could decide that day or they could play on the republican party. that is what is so fascinating about this state in particular. >> julie, 30 seconds. i mean, you know, we all thought well he's an interesting diversion. he'll eventually go away.
is it time to take bernie sanders more seriously as a potential nominee? i want to see how he does in the south, if he can stay competitive with clinton in the race, i think we need to take him seriously. even so, we need to take him seriously as someone who will push her for a long time in this race. >> the democratic party will never let bernie be their nominee. >> all right. thank you, panel. see you sunday back in washington except for governor sununu who i assume has something better to do. by far. >> up next, fun in the snow as we go on the trail. yeah, here it is, on the trail in new hampshire. constipated? trust number one doctor recommended dulcolax use dulcolax tablets for gentle overnight relief suppositories for relief in minutes and stool softeners for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax, designed for dependable relief
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night saying that i dropped out it isn't true. it's a lie. keep voting. >> dr. carson? >> i'm not here just to add beauty to the stage. >> and the fact is i went back and got -- wait a second. is one of the skills you get at the united states senator esp also? >> oh, god! hold on. wait a second! >> sounds like socialism to me. democratic socialism. >> what's the difference? >> huge difference. >> huge? >> huge. >> as i said, an interesting week. and new hampshire voters are notorious for making their minds up late. be sure to tune into fox news channel for full coverage of the new hampshire primary. karl rove, joe and i will be back as the campaign cowboys to give you an early
read when the first results start coming in. that's it for today. have a great week. and we'll see you next "fox news sunday." >> it's here. we are in the final 48-hours before the pivotal new hampshire primary. candidates looking for the states where the independent voter has a whole lot of power. what do they need to say to persuade voters ahead of tuesday. the republican side according to the university polling we want to show you. donald trump leading the pack with 28 percent support john kasich second at 14 percent and tied with marco rubio, jeb bush, ted cruz. the rest of the field in the low to low single digits there. the news there is no clear second place holder at this point. tough competition. >> carl cameron is live for us in