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star walls whose career is over. nick depalo. cia mike baker. joanne and katherine. i'm chris wallace. donald trump wins big in south carolina. where does the republican race go from here? we'll talk with the top two finishers and get the latest from the campaign trail. >> when you win, it's beautiful. we're going to start winning for our country. >> this is a three-person race, and we will win the nomination. >> first, donald trump on the results and his battle with pope francis. >> he actually said maybe i'm not a good christian or something. it's unbelievable. >> we asked trump if he's truly teflon don. then, senator marco rubio on what's next for his campaign.
>> the state of south carolina will always be the place of new beginnings and fresh starts. >> we'll ask rubio about the establishment alternative to trump. plus, hillary clinton and bernie sanders battle in nevada. our panel on where the race stands and our power player of the week, the strategists behind bernie sanders' campaign. >> are you surprised sanders is doing this well? >> yes, i am surprised. >> all right now on fox news sunday. hello again from fox news in washington. we begin with the results from yesterday's political double-header. in the republican primary in south carolina, donald trump scored a big victory winning almost 33% of the vote. it was a close race for second with marco rubio edging out ted cruz. the bottom three were far back with jeb bush suspending his campaign. in nevada caucuses, hillary
clinton narrowly defeated bernie sanders with 53% of the vote. we'll talk with donald trump and marco rubio in a moment. but first, fox team coverage starting with chief political correspondent carl cameron in rock hill, south carolina. cameron? >> reporter: donald trump has now won the first two primaries, new hampshire, and last night south carolina back to back and is looking to make good on his prediction to, quote, run the table. >> let's have a big win in nevada. let's have a big win at the s.e.c. let's put this thing away. >> i want to begin by congratulating donald trump, but after tonight this has become a three-person race and we will win the nomination. >> reporter: marco rubio grabbed second and narrowly eked out a win against ted cruz who came in third. >> if you are a conservative, this is where you belong.
we are the only campaign that has beaten and can beat donald trump. >> reporter: jep bush, despite spending more money than any other candidate, took fourth and bowed out. >> i've had an incredible life and, for me, public service has been the highlight of that life. but no matter what the future holds, here's the greatest safety landing, if you can imagine. tonight i'm going to sleep with the best friend i have and the love of my life. >> now, folks, it's down to the final four. and we are going to travel all across this country. >> and i'm going to take you with me. >> reporter: john kasich came in fifth, far behind. but because jeb bush dropped out, he's now fourth. ben carson came in last but both kasich and carson have vowed to keep on going. the next three weeks is going to be a frenzy of voting across the country. more than half of the delegates will be selected, including march 15. and on march 15, there are
winner take all states and donald trump will be facing it in ohio where john kasich is the governor and florida where marco rubop rubio is the senator. chris? >> carl, thanks for that. joining us now from palm beach is donald trump, winner of the south carolina primary. mr. trump, congratulations and welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you very much, chris. >> with your big win in south carolina, where do you think this race stands now? you have talked about running the table. can you be stopped for the republican nomination or is this over? >> well, i guess you can always be stopped. i have very good competitors. they're very smart people, you know, governors, senators, very talented people. ben carson, dr. ben carson, who is a tremendous guy and a talented guy. we have a lot of talented people. >> let me ask you, people are talking about this now as a
three-man race. so let me ask you about your two chief competitors. thumbnail sketches, lightning round rules, ted cruz. >> always very smart, very sharp. i haven't been too happy with the way he's conducted himself, but i understand he wants to win. it's a little bit tough. he did a couple of robo calls on me yesterday morning. that was the morning of the election. they were tough calls. i thought they were very unfair calls, but they were done. that's why i'm surprised i won by such a big margin. when i entered this, chris, i wasn't expected to win south carolina. i was supposed to maybe not even think about winning it. that was a number of months ago. all of a sudden i went there, made one speech, and they fell in love with me and i fell in love with them. those people are incredible, by the way. we won't forget them. >> let's talk about marco rubio and his fitness to be president. >> well, he's a talented guy. he's a good guy. i like him. we're going to have to see what happens. i start off liking everybody and then all after sudden they become mortal enemies. we'll see what happens.
he's been very respectful, very nice, and i hope to beat him. >> you had quite a week in south carolina. you got into something of a flap which diminished but you were in a flap for a while with the holy father. you went after journal w. bush. and while you won the primary handily by double digits, you did poorly among voters who decided in the last week. and i wonder if you think those hurt you. do you need to tone it down as you become the front-runner for the nomination to act more presidential? >> well, probably i do. i mean, i can act as presidential as anybody that's ever been president other than the great abraham lincoln. i thought he was hard to beat. >> so when are you going to start? >> pretty soon. don't forget, we started off with 17 people. i've been hit from 97 different angles. and now we're down to, i guess, five. we'll see what happens. yeah, i think i'll be very presidential at the appropriate time. right now i'm fighting for my
life. i was fighting against a tremendous amount of very talented, very tough people. and i didn't really have time to think about it. i had to be tough and i had to be smart and i had to be sharp and that's okay, too. >> you took some strong positions this last week that you later had to walk back, and i'd like to explore a couple of them. first you said that president bush 43 led us into iraq and you took that back. >> they lied. they said there were weapons of mass destruction. there were none. >> you would not say again that george w. bush lied? >> i would have to look at some documents. >> and here you are on whether or not you support the obamacare mandate that all individuals must have health insurance. >> well, i like the mandate. here is where i'm a little bit different. i don't want people dying on the streets. i'm the most conservative person in the world with getting rid of obamacare. >> mr. trump, question, do you support the individual mandate in obamacare or not? >> right. let me explain to you.
first of all, i don't want m mandates for anything. i don't want people dying on the streets. i was talking over anderson cooper, who i thought was a great interview and he was a great interviewer. he mentioned the word mandate and i was talking about something else, to be honest with you. it doesn't matter. >> you said i like the mandate. >> i want people to be covered that cannot afford to be covered -- i don't want people dying on the streets, and that's not mandate. that's me having a heart. i don't want people dying on the streets. i don't want people to have no health care whatsoever and they're in the middle of the street dying. i talk about it all the time. when i give these speeches where i have 10,000, 15,000, and 20,000 and i talk as a conservative republican and i talk about that and i say i don't want people dying because they have no money, i get standing ovations. you know, the republicans are not bad people. i get standing ovations. so i think it's very important. i'm not going to have people dying in the street if i'm president, i can tell you that.
you can call it whatever you want. >> to the larger point, whether it was lying or whether it was the mandate, particularly now that there's going to be more and more focus on everything you say, do you think you have to be more careful? >> that was a case where anderson -- and i don't blame him at all, but we were talking at the same time. in the case of the war, the war in iraq was a disaster. by the way, i was against it at the beginning. and joe scarborough can show you that. fortunately he found the clip. the fact that i said they had a successful military operation, maybe it might have been successful as an opening operation, but i was opposed to the war. the war in iraq was a disaster. it may have been the worst decision ever made -- ever made -- by our country. that's how bad it was. >> sir, respectfully, that wasn't the issue. the issue was whether or not we were lied into war. >> well, right now that's for other people to determine. i don't say yes or no. i'm not saying yes or no. let someone else determine. i can just tell you the war in iraq cost us $2 trillion, thousands of lives, we got
nothing. we have wounded warriors, who i love, all over the place. we have absolutely nothing out of it, chris, and now iran is taking over iraq. we handed it to them on the silver platter, and they're going to take over far more than iraq, unless i'm president, of course. the war in iraq was a disaster. the reason i won by such a large number is that while the pundits, including yourself, thought i made a mistake when i took on bush on that issue -- and i have nothing against bush. i don't even nope the president. i never met him. when i took on bush on that issue, i never felt it was a bad thing to do because people that are smart know that the war in iraq was a disaster. even jeb bush in the end a admitted that the war in iraq was not a good thing. >> new question, new subject, when are you going to release your tax returns? >> well, we're having them made. they're extremely complicated. it will take a little while. i don't know if you ever saw the picture i made, the picture with about two and a half feet of tax returns standing in front of me. they're having them done and we'll do it at the appropriate time. >> well, reporters have been
asking for months and you keep saying the appropriate time. >> mine is not a one page -- >> i'm sure you have a ton of lawyers and a ton of accountants. don't voters deserve to get a look at your finances, sir? >> oh, i think so. i've already given my financial statements, more than anybody's ever given. >> but the tax returns. >> they turned out to be about five times great er than anybod ever thought, no debt, very little debt, tremendous cash flow, some of the greatest assets in the world, which is the thinking that our country needs to get rid of its $19 trillion, et cetera. >> but the tax returns? >> the tax returns at the appropriate time. there's no rush. at the appropriate time. >> to use a business term, are you involved in a hostile takeover of theparty? >> no, i'm not at all. i get along with the republicans. there's nothing hostile about it. i was a republican establishment figure, and then the day i decided to run, i became an outsider and more so than i even
thought. people who were totally establishment that loved me -- i was a very big contributor. i gave $350,000 just before to the republican governors association. >> what's your view of the gop establishment now, sir? >> i think it's a mess. i think it's a mess. they'd better get their act together because they're going to keep losing elections. with the kind of thinking with the karl roves and these characters that can't get themselves arrested, if you want to keep people like that, keep listening to people like that, you're never going to win. you're never going to win. they're from a different age. they're from a different world. >> you raised the question again this week of whether or not you're going to honor your pledge, the loyalty pledge that you signed to run as a republican and even if you lose, or if you lose, not to launch a third-party campaign. is that a threat that you're going to keep wielding throughout this campaign? >> no. because i want to run -- folks like you are bringing it up
again as an example. the pledge is the pledge. the other side is not honoring it. look, i signed the pledge. i'm a republican. i'm the leading republican by a lot. and that's where i want to be. i don't want to run as an independent. i'm not going to be doing that. i think it's highly, highly unlikely. i'm not being treated right. when we go to debates, it's stacked with donors and special interests. i'm putting up my money, putting up millions and millions of dollars like throwing out the window. so far it's worked. so far mostly spending less money than those spending hundreds of millions of dollars and i'm leading by a lot and they're losing by a lot. i'm self-funding my campaign. i'm not controlled by special interests. i'm not controlled by donors. i'm not controlled by lobbyists, right? i'm doing that. the rooms are stacked. every time i go to a debate, i walk in, it's like death. and when other people -- i won't mention names -- when other people speak, they say something stupid and they get standing ovations. it's very unfair what the rnc is
doing, stacking the room, and that's unfair. with donors and special interests and lobbyists and that's unfair. >> will we see you at the fox debate on march 3rd? >> yes, i expect to be there, sure. >> well, i look forward to seeing you, sir. mr. trump, thank you. thanks for your time. safe travels on the campaign trail, sir. >> thank you very much. up next, we'll speak with florida senator marco rubio who finished second in south carolina with jeb bush dropping out, can rubio become the choice of the gop establishment? feel a cold sore coming on? only abreva can heal it in as few as two and a half days when used at the first sign. it penetrates deep and starts to work immediately to block the virus and protect healthy cells.. don't tough it out, knock it out, fast. abreva.
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at the south carolina state house in columbia. joining us now from nashville is florida senator marco rubio who scored a second place finish in south carolina. senator, congratulations, and welcome back. >> thank you. thanks for having me back. >> you declared flatly last night that you're going to win the nomination, but don't you first have to win a state and, if so, which is the first state you're going to win? >> well, we do, and we have to win more than one. it's been difficult up to this point. we've had a lot of people in this race. you have donald trump sitting at around 30% or so nationally, sometimes under, sometimes a little over, and then you have 70% of the electorate does not support donald trump. that 70% has been divided up between five to seven people. as this race continues to narrow that will be easier and easier for that 70% to coalesce. that's why i feel so good obviously about our results last night. i give credit to trey gowdy and
tim scott and nikki haley who came onboard and helped us finish strong there. now the race is getting narrower and i believe it's down to three people and i feel more and more positive now going into some of these states including where i am here this morning in tennessee that our chances continue to grow now. especially as we get into the winner take all states, and we will. >> jeb bush dropped out last night. are you calling on john kasich and ben carson to also drop out so that the party, the rest of the party, that 70%, can begin to unite around you? and please don't give me the it's up to them answer. would it be good for the party for the others to drop out and make this a three-man race? >> well, first, i have to give you that answer. i'm no one to tell anyone to drop out. john kasich is working as hard as i am and he has every right to make that decision for himself. >> but would it be best for the
party? >> well, i think that's for him -- i believe that the sooner we can coalesce, the better we're going to be as a party in general. and so i'm not here to tell him to do whatever he needs to do. there's a natural process that will take hold. i think the question is the timing. it's clear john kasich is going to focus i think entirely on michigan. it's his right to do that. today we'll be in three states. we finish up tonight in nevada after stopping in arkansas. we're goinging to compete everywhere. we feel good about the coalescing in the other places where the candidates are not. >> you say this is a three-man race. i want you lightning round rules to do a little comparison shopping. why should a voter who is undecided choose you over donald trump? >> i think one of the reasons why we have a sense of optimism about america's future. i'm realistic about our challenges and future.
we need to restore our confidence in who we are as a people. >> and trump don't do that? >> rhetoric is not enough. i think his campaign has been about how bad people are. we need to recognize how difficult things are. you can't just say you're going to make america great again. you need to explain how you're going to do it. voters deserve to know in great detail just exactly how it is that you are going to achieve some of these things you're saying you're going to achieve with specific public policy. we'll see what direction he wants to go, but i think that's a big difference in this campaign. and then just a fundamental understanding of foreign policy which i think is critical for the commander in chief to have on day one. to this point now three states in he has not demonstrated that. we'll see. the weeks go on, he'll spend time and we can have a debate about those issues. >> we understand the case you're making about yourself. what about you versus ted cruz?
>> ted is very weak on national security. he has voted repeatedly against budget items regarding the defense budget whether it's the defense authorization act or voting for rand paul's budget that slashed defense spending. i think voters are growing increasi increasingly. he's making up things. you saw today one of his supporters i believe in illinois, a member of his campaign, said they're becoming concerned about this and are thinking about getting out of the campaign as a result of it. it's very disturbing but, of course, on the record the national security stuff he's very weak on national security issues. i think that hurt him in south carolina and will hurt him elsewhere. >> let me talk to you about that second side. things seemed to have gotten personal between you and ted cruz with you accusing him of lying and his campaign of playing dirty tricks. here's what you said and i want to put the pictures up side-by-side. this was the real picture on the left and on the right was the
photo shopped version that appeared to show you shaking hands with president obama and the idea that you were together on the trade pact. here is what you said after that. >> picture's fake. it's a photo shop of someone else shaking hands and it appears it isn't even barack obama either. this is a disturbing pattern. every day they're making things up. in this case they literally made up a picture. >> straight out, do you believe ted cruz has the integrity, the character, to be president, or do you think there's something missing there? >> well, i think certainly in his campaign it's missing. i've never seen this behavior from him before. a gentleman fainted at one of my events. we stopped the event. i stopped and said a prayer for him. within an hour his campaign was sending out robo calls telling people that i had cut off my event short and announced if i didn't win in south carolina i would be dropping out.
these are little things but they add up. this is very disturbing. we're used to rough and tumble here but to literally make things up, in a week he's been rebuked by national right to life on my position on planned parenthood, robo calls in spanish to english speaking households in south carolina trying to, i guess, offend people against me. it's very bizarre. it's an ongoing pattern. it happens every single day now. he did robo calls on the confederate flag on donald tr p trump. the bottom line is you conduct a campaign like that it's going to reflect on you, on your campaign and i think ultimately if it continues it does say something about your ability to goren the country. >> while you are making statements, comparison shopping about the other candidates, they're making it about you and one of the knocks is whether or
not you are willing to do the hard work of government. i want to put up a couple of statistics that came out this week. there was a report that you've missed 60% of the hearings of the senate foreign relations committee since you joined the senate and after 9/11 the florida house set up a special committee on security lapses. you skipped almost half the meetings and missed more than 20 votes. the suggestion, senator, is that you're always more interested in the next job than the job you currently hold. >> first of all, the florida house one was 15 years ago, i was majority whip and i had responsibilities outside of the committee. you can't be in two places at once. people who write that about the senate don't understand the senate. you could have three committees meeting at the exact same time literally. you could have an intelligence committee at the same time as the foreign relations committee, so no one can go to every maerg 100% of the time. it's not like you're out playing
golf or at the spa. you have something else happening at the same time. i'd have to look at the record. for us, sometimes you can't be at every hearing because there was another committee that might be having votes, and so you have to be there. that wouldn't just be true for me but for anyone in the senate who serves on multiple committees as i do. >> finally, senator, you got a big boost this week and a lot of the late deciders went for you after you got the endorsement of the popular governor of south carolina who endorsed you over jeb bush especially. a lot of observers think the two of you would make a good ticket for republicans. i was struck last night at your statement. not only were you there as a member of the minority and the
senator, how attractive and appealing is that to present a different face of the republican party? >> well, first, let me say obviously nikki haley's endorsement was a big deal. in the process i gained a friend. we've become friends the last three days and i've grown to really like her and admire her. we have a lot in common. i enjoy campaigning with her. tim scott is a dear friend and also has a lot in common in terms of where we come from and how we grew up, although he faced difficult circumstances as a child. that's who we are, who the republican party is. i was asked about it and someone made an allusion to appealing to minorities. and i said just today i was endorsed by the daughter of indian american immigrants, the governor of south carolina, standing alongside a senator, both of whom were there to
support a cuban american senator. it is the party of diversity. it's the only party you have so many people, so many different backgrounds on a national stage. i'm proud of that. >> i have ten seconds. you say you gained a friend in nikki haley. did you gain a running mate? >> well, it's prumt upresumtuou, but she will be on the top of anyone's list in my opinion. >> so she'd be on your short list? >> i think she'll be on everyone's short list. her plate is full, as she says. she has her hands full and a family. she's incredibly talented. hofrp the nominee is, and i believe it will be me, she is someone people will be paying attention to. >> senator rubio, thanks for coming in today. safe travels, sir. >> thank you. up next, the sunday panel
reacts it to last night's south carolina primary. has it reshaped the republican race? plus, what do you want to ask the panel about the flap this week between donald trump and the pope? just go to facebook or twitter @foxnewssunday and we may use your question on the air. feel a cold sore coming on? only abreva can heal it in as few as two and a half days when used at the first sign. it penetrates deep and starts to work immediately to block the virus and protect healthy cells..
nothing easy about running for president, i can tell you. it's tough, it's nasty, it's mean, it's vicious. it's beautiful. >> we are the only campaign that has beaten and can beat donald trump. >> tonight i am suspending my campaign. >> well, that's a taste of the reactions last night from the winner and some of the losers in the south carolina republican primary. and it's now time for our sunday group. gop strategist karl rove, neera tanden, president of the liberal
think tank for american progress, laura ingraham, editor, and julie pace who covers the white house and the campaign for the associated press. karl, i want to make sure you know donald trump sends his best this morning. >> i give him my best back. >> okay. i'm glad to hear that. where does the republican race stand this morning? how strong is trump, and how do you handicap what is looking like a three-man race? >> i hi it is as of today. he had a very good night last night after having a bad last ten days. he peaked on february 11. he ended up with a solid 32 and he took all 50 delegates out of the 28 before february 1st and march 14th. looking ahead he has a couple of very good weeks ahead of him. he's found a way to unglue
evangelicals, damaging ted cruz's chances to sweep the six southern states that will be voting march 1st. the rest of the contest he'll do pretty well because if he takes a third in the vote, he will probably get slightly more than a third of the delegates. and he's going to have a divided opposition. on the other hand, there are big challenges for both parties. the republicans probably bigger challenges. if he becomes the nominee, we will have nominated the guy who has the -- who is tied for having the worst favorable/unfavorables of all candidates, republicans and democrats alike. the only other candidate as bad as hillary clinton f. we don't nominate trump, the party will be equally. that's his definition of being treated unfairly. >> laura, talking about republicans post-south carolina in this three-man race, what do you want to add? >> i think it's interesting to look at rubio's hierarchy.
most are based in south carolina. hopkins, of course, the firm, the partner both working for rubio, the campaign manager position as well. you have to ask yourself if r rubio with all of the expertise in south carolina can't deliver more than two-counties in south carolina and no delegates, where does rubio go on to win here? i know everyone is like rubio has momentum out of this race, i don't see where he wins. karl is on to something. you go into nevada, trump is going to win that. i think he'll roll through the s.e.c. big sweep today in atlanta. we saw the huge crowds turn out for him in alabama where jeff sessions hasn't endorsed him but in my mind he's all but. trump has momentum but if he has to unify the party, it's interesting that he hasn't gone after rubio. i know rubio hasn't really gone after him, but i can see something in the offing if trump keeps going, the compromise for the establishment, whatever you want to call them, could be a trump/rubio ticket. people are horrified to hear
that maybe. that's what i'm saying if i have to have a crystal ball right now. >> briefly, how about ted cruz because some people would say, look, 70% of the voters there identified as born again or evangelical and that would seem to have been if he can't win there, where can he win? >> he has an amazing operation. trump has 61. at this point ted cruz will have to do some soul-searching, too. if he can't chalk up more victories than just in iowa he's going to have to make a decision, is he going to throw in with rubio or with trump? he could be the sweet spot for both the establishment and more of the grassroots candidates here. >> if we remember one thing from this week a month from now, a year from now, my guess is maybe this is the week pope francis, the holy father, became a participant in the republican presidential primary in south carolina. when you thought you'd seen it all, you saw this. >> translator: a person who only thinks about making walls again
and again and not making bridges is not a christian. >> for a religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful. >> we asked you for questions for the panel. this one is from mike on twitter. who is paying the pope or directing him to drum up votes against conservatives in america? julie, a lot of people think that, in fact, the pope's comments help trump in heavily evangelical south carolina. >> i think it's possible it did help trump for this reason. the thing trump has been saying consistently that has really gotten him support is his position on immigration. and you've seen moments he veers off on other topics. every time he comes back to immigration, reminds people of his tough position, he gets stronger. and so the pope gave him an opportunity to do that. i think, you know, the pope is someone who has taken some pride in trying to rile up politician
s on immigration, on climate change. i don't think he was trying to do anything specifically to stop donald trump. it's another great example how donald trump is a masterful politician. he turned it into a positive for him. >> neera, before we get into the craziness in your party, how much are you enjoying what's going on with the republicans? >> i think it's an interesting time in american politics on both sides. i was surprised that you could have a twitter war with the pope and still survive. i do think the one thing going forward for both parties, a although there are differences, if you look at the exit polls in south carolina, 53% of gop voters are antiestablishment, really feel betrayed by their party, not just antiestablishment but feel betrayed by their party. how a party reduce as marco rubio or a traditional candidate when you have that much anger at the gop establishment, where they feel betrayed is something
we look at. there are factors like that on the democratic party. it's just not as high. much lower. >> clearly that's something that bernie sanders is tapping into. we're going to get into that in the next segment. in that sense does donald trump, if he ends up as the nominee, and there are some democrats, i don't know about you, licking their chops at that. you have to be careful what you wish for. could he tap into that both on the republican side and the democratic side, that sense of we're going to just burn the whole place down and start over again? >> you know, i think he seems to be driving the numbers on the o gop side. people should recognize there's higher numbers yesterday in south carolina. that is something that democrats should be worried about. now he may polarize other folks, college educated folks to go the other way. he is transforming politics. you have to see how much is it going to mean and whether it would depress republican voters if he went with a pro-establishment candidate. >> one last thing, neera, that
tableau, and i talked about it with marco rubio, when he's on the stage with nikki haley, with tim scott, young minorities, if that were to be the face of the republican party, doesn't that become pretty tough for democrats in the sense it explodes the kind of traditional stereotype? >> sure but we also have to see the rhetoric on the trail has gotten so much more polarizing on immigrants and other issues. that's the real question. this debate -- this debate in the gop will decide where do the parties want to go? and can you attract candidates who are antiestablishment, angry at what's happening in the country, really angry at what's happening in this country and still be a diverse party? that's the question. >> okay. we have to take a break here. when we come back, nevada's democratic caucus and hillary clinton's narrow win.
a look at the neon lights on the las vegas strip. with the results from the nevada caucuses, the race for the democratic nomination is still tight. white house correspondent ed henry in the silver state with the latest. ed? >> reporter: chris, hillary clinton last night seized the momentum in this race and took a big step towards beating bernie sanders for the democratic nomination yet there are still danger signs this morning for clinton obviously still under y fbi investigation and entrance polls show sanders crushed her 84% to 11%. sanders also won big again with young people, made gains with hispanics. however, clinton won because of a huge edge with voters over 65
as well as african-americans just as this race heads south and clinton at her victory speech pounced on the idea as this race goes to south carolina next saturday and then goes national in march, she will be able to grind out the delegates needed to seal this nomination. >> i'm on my way to texas. bill is on his way to colorado. the fight goes on. the future that we want is within our grasp. thank you all, god bless you. >> i believe that when democrats assemble in fiphiladelphia in jy at convention we are going to see the results of one of the great political upsets in the history of the united states. >> reporter: now to sanders' point, not all of the states on super tuesday, march 1, are clinton strongholds in the south. some are quite friendly to him. democrats award delegates
proportionally and sanders has started outraising clinton. he has the ability to stick around. sanders has not proven he can win. >> and we're back now with our panel. karl, where does the democratic race stand now after nevada, and what have we learned about both clinton and sanders' campaigns going forward? >> i think captured the three critical elements. she won in nevada because of her overwhelming strength with african-americans. we have five contests coming up that will be a positive. he will continue to do well among white liberals. let me make a forecast. he will carry boulder county but, also, massachusetts, vermont, north carolina, minnesota which have been he helpful in the past. i would have thought before last night texas would have been
solid hillary country. little moscow on the colorado, but last night he did well in nevada. if that transfers over to texas then he's going to do better than i would have thought. he will have money. there will come a point where he will have more money than she does and because the delegates are proportional, he will be there all the way to the end. what does he want in philadelphia? he will not win the nomination but he's going to walk in with 35%, 40% of the delegates and what is he going to want and does that unite without doing damage to their general election? >> we can go home because it's all been laid out for us. neera -- >> let me clarify a few points. >> nevada was supposed to be the firewall. she won but it was closer than they said it was going to be. >> since new hampshire -- two weeks ago now, ten days, both
campaigns thought it was much more competitive. friday night bernie sanders predicted victory. he thought he had momentum because he was outspending hillary 2-1 on the air and she was facing ads from super pacs including karl rove's. >> absolutely critical. >> i appreciate the low dollar spend. she did well with latinos. >> she lost latinos. >> no. that's in the entrance polls. she won clark county by ten points. the latino neighborhoods she won 2-1 the delegates. so these are just facts. the idea that she's weakening is false. we'll see in texas. she did really well in texas eight years ago. >> i want your reaction to a
fascinating moment on the campaign trail this week. >> have you always told the truth? >> i've always tried to. always, always. >> some people are going to call that wiggle room that you just gave yourself. always tried to. jimmy carter said i will never lie to you. >> you're asking me to say, have i ever -- i don't believe i ever have. i don't believe i ever will. i'm going to do the best i can to level with the american people. >> how do you think she handled that? in the entrance polls, which is the only hard data we have, still a huge number of people had honesty and trustworthy as their top quality and he killed her. it was 80 something to 15. >> on the trustworthiness front it wasn't a stellar night for her. with answers like that, it depends on what the meaning of the word is is.
is there a statute of limitations? does it go back to hillary's time as a teenager? the question, i mean, i think most candidates will probably have a problem with that. ads stretch the truth for all candidates. it goes right back to the e-mail scandal and even benghazi. what difference does it make? i never sent or received an e-mail that was classified. i think we're finding a very different story there. her guy robby was central to two campaigns, to howard dean in 2004 and, of course, he worked for hillary clinton in 2008 there. he knew the lay of the land. if you can win among african-americans and the elderly, i don't see how she's stoppable. she did well among latinos. t texas will tell a different story perhaps. i think the question is what is bernie going to get? concession? is it a policy concession? this campaign is about issues.
globalism, trade, wages, or are we going to go into a new more populous direction on the republican front? bernie wants to force the debate. he's not done a bad job so far. >> julie, from your sources at the white house, what do they make of the race? are they concerned? it looks like this is going to go on for a while, that it will weaken whoever ends up winning and they will be pushed further and further to the left. >> there's a lot of clear support for hillary clinton in the white house. a lot of people want to see her be the nominee and they take a different view on the long campaign having lived through a long campaign in 2008. they are clear-eyed about her weaknesses as a candidate and a long campaign can help her get some of the kinks out. she will have to go into a general election stronger than she's been the last couple of weeks. you saw her last night coming around with a stronger message. there was a lot of talk about this campaign being about the people.
she focused more on her supporters than herself. one thing that got lost on the fund-raising front, bernie sanders is spending money at an incredibly high rate. he has raised a lot of money but he is burning through it quickly. you have to look at the spend rates the next couple of weeks because that will determine how long this race goes on. >> she has more cash on hand than he does. >> i thought it was interesting, though, in moving left that she made a point, yes, if you're a bad company we don't like you. if you're a good company and are going to contribute, we're all for you. the idea we're not going to burn down wall street. >> she's never going to be bernie sanders on wall street issues. she's been trying to find her position. i think last night was a message that felt more authentic for her. >> real quickly?
>> she also ridiculed the idea that everything can be free in bernie's world. she did that three or four times. i thought that was a turn to the general election. black and elderly voters, you need a republican who can steal them both away. >> teleprompter speech. >> thank you. see you next week. marco rubio, no teleprompter speech. with bernie sanders' appearance last week, we've sat down with every candidate in the race except hillary clinton. as we noted she was asked recently what she would do as president to bring the country together. >> i think it's an important point the president made in his state of the union, and here's what i would say. i will go anywhere to meet with anyone at any time to find common ground. once again, clinton turned down our request for an interview. we reached out to her campaign officials in charge, communications director and press secretary. neither of them had the courtesy to even answer our phone calls
bernie sanders' campaign may be the biggest surprise in a political year full of them. how did the 74-year-old socialist turn the presumed coronation of hillary clinton into a real fight? here is our power player of the week. >> he speaks directly, he speaks plainly, and honestly. that has an impact on voters. >> the political revolution -- >> senior adviser to bernie sanders' campaign, he's worked with them for 20 years but signed on to the run in 2014 when sanders wasn't even included in national polls. >> he's not just a clind of mine. he's a friend of mine. by talking about this message he
believes in so deeply is great for the democratic party. we can bring millions of people into the process and they can help elect a democratic president. >> a funny thing happened over the last 15 minutes. sanders' run for the white house has turned serious. >> bernie! bernie! >> honestly, are you surprised sanders is doing this well? >> yes, how his appeal is cutting through, the size of the crowds turns out to see him and we made so much progress. >> he also produces the ads like this one. ♪ >> you have to be able to tell a story that people remember, number two, if you have some kind of emotional impact or
contend to that story i think that's really powerful. >> in this country and overseas, and while his batting average is good when it comes to presidential races, well, he worked for dukakis, gore and john kerry. >> i think i've learned more with candidates who have lost than when candidates have won. hard lessons about what not to do in the next campaign. >> was part of your calculation that hillary clinton was not as strong as everybody said she was? >> it really wasn't. we had to figure out our own path and stick to it and i think if we do we have of chance of winning. >> battling her all the way across the nation. >> she will do well in a lot of places and there will be a push to say, okay, this is over. our position is, it's over when it's over. >> he believes sanders can win more votes than clinton, then
make his case to party officials. >> i think we can win the most and argue to the party our nominee should be picked by voters and not by blpolitical insiders. >> we are going to vigorously participate in that democracy. >> in the meantime, divine says the sanders campaign is a good example of why he got into politics so many years ago. >> it's rewarding when you win elections when people say there's no hope and you see the consequences and the impact on people. >> there's been a revolution because of smart phones. he says the sanders' team can now remind supporters to vote or ask for money with the push of a button which only makes the grassroots that much stronger. that's it for today. have a great week. we'll see you next "fox news sunday."
"morning with maria" fox business network. have a good sunday. on "the buzz meter" the pundits bowing to reality as donald trump wins a major victory in south carolina and even the media skeptics give him his due. >> just as sure as a lot of people that donald trump would stagger out of that debate and possibly finish in second place. >> he was often regarded, milz included, as a candidate who would be a novelty candidate. huge credit to donald trump. >> we didn't see this. we didn't understand that he was such strong medicine. sxroo this is a decisive triumphant win. >> of course it's trump at this point. he looks like he could run the table. >> there's still a lot of discussion among republicans who say i still can't believe he's going to be the nominee. >> tru