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i am bill o'reilly. please always remember that the spin stops right here. we're definitely looking out for you. \s breaking tonight, the republican race for the white house hitting a critical new stage. over the next eight days we may learn more about the eventual nominee than we have since it all started 11 months ago. good evening. i'm mel engin megyn kellie. kellie. to an increasingly national race. playing out in states across this country. tomorrow the candidates square off in the nevada caucuses. wednesday they go face-to-face with the voters and yours truly in a kelly file town hall broadcast from convenesbury theater in houston, texas.
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then on thursday the contenders debate for the final time. five days before the most significant day on the election calendar. it's not the last debate. fox news has one on march 3rd. march 1st 1 super tuesday. 13 states all head to the polls. nearly one quarter of all the delegates at stake are up for grabs. we have a powerful panel, chris stirewalt, charlie hurt and steve hays are here, but first we start with carl cameron, who's in las where voting starts in about 24 hours. carl? >> hi ya, megyn. judges from the body blowings and head shots, you would think there is a prize fight tomorrow night on the trip. donald trump, marco rubio and ted cruz are going at it.
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trump is favored to win. he's got a hotel here, he would be then the winner of three of the first in the nation four states having won new hampshire, south carolina and nevada. now, having said that, what may even be more interesting is the battle that will play out tomorrow between ted cruz and marco rubio. cruz today had on fire a staffer. he had been on defense for quite some time. marco rubio called him out, wanted to make the point that there was an event over the weekend, another supposed dirty trick and it was a record really of ted cruz with too much deceitful underhanded political tactics. that will be in some way resolved tomorrow with this exception, megyn. the nevada caucuses don't have much history, tomorrow's turnout is expected to be 10%, about 50,000 votes total, but still a small number and now the battle has so escalated that as you
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said, super tuesday, and what happens this week are very, very important as marco rubio trying to coalesce a lot of the establishment mainstream republicans and cruz try it is to get on offense. chris join me, charlie hurt, a political columnist for "the washington times." and chris hays, writer for asks the -- >> chris, you say it's a make-off-break week. why? ted cruz was believed to be the kind of evangelical favorites, there was a think that happened, iowa picked a guy and he lost in the stretch run. this time cruz looked different. he had infrastructure, lots of money, bill jersey nair backers and large national nailed identity.
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the one -- senator cruz did not do well with the people he needed to do well. he lost evangelicals to trump. he lost in places, came in behind places that should have been breadbaskets for him. he needs a win or his campaign is going to lose steam quickly. >> if he gets a big win in texas, he's in very good stead. that's a lot of delegate po tinkally. what about this dustup, steve, he fired rick tyler. some people came out and said it's too harsh. rubio came out and essentially said you need to look inward, ted cruz. how does this play out? >> i don't think it actually makes the charges go away. i think that was what they were trying to do is put this behind them by firing rick tyler, essentially scapegoating rick tile her, he hasn't been the source of their problems. i think there have been other
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questions raised that cruz has yet to answer. i think that will continue to dog him. >> aren't we pretending the other campaignser squeakie clean? >> no, no, no. absolutely not. if you go back and look at the exit polling, donald trump's campaign was judged to be the most unfair. certainly marco rubio, you can tell just by his response, was tough, that basically it's not about rick tyler, but about ted cruz and the lies start from the top. they're all playing dirty. the question is who is able to put those charges and allegations behind him in a way that lets him move forward and gain a pool of the voting -- republican voting electorate. >> right now the race is trump's to lose. he's well positioned not only in nevada. the polling there is bad
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apparently and weird, in the 2008 caucuses the polls average gave mitt romney a five-point advantage, and he ended up winning by 38 points. they don't poll very well in nevada. they do other things very well, but polling not. and then as we move forward to march 15th. what does he need to do? does he play it extra i got? or does he just be himself and keep saying the incendiary ings which have worked so well for him thus far. >> for the time being i think he's going to be donald trump, though i could foresee, as soon as super tuesday, we start seeing some modulation of that, some toning it down a bit to go forward. at some point he does need to sort of answer some of the questions that a lot of people are asking, whether its presidential to say some of the things he said on, you know, on
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stage and in public. but i think that the real -- i agree with what chris said earlier, you know, the real -- the real person who has all his chips on this race, and he's flooding nevada is ted cruz, because you cannot lose evangelical vote. if that's your strategy, you cannot lose the evangelical vote to donald trump in south carolina. and yes, you're right. he does have texas and should win texas. he's only a handful of points above donald trump there, but you cannot build a winning republican primary campaign on just your home state and iowa. >> chris, what about kasich and carson? who does it hurt? and who does it help that they remain in this race? >> trump. it helps trump. of course it helps trump. all donald trump needs to be the republican nominee is for nothing to change. he needs things to stay exactly as they are and he will become the republican nominee.
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what he needs to not happen is for kasich and carson to follow gem bush's lead and go, because their vote share is much more likely to go to rubio than anybody else's, of anybody at all, and for cruz, the question is how much of that vote is available to trump and how much is available to rubio. we don't know until we get there. for trump, the coalescing of the field is the problem. >> before i let you go, steve. any doubt trump will win nevada? >> if i were placing bets, that's where i would do it, on the other hand s. the best ground operations, the best often are surprised. i wouldn't be surprised with anything at this point. >> this is the real candidate casino, not like the fake that you play, which i love. my next guest is a veteran campaign adviser who has seen it all. he is featured prominently in an amazing new political documentary over on showtime, a
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series called "the circus." it follows campaigns in the real time. watch this clip, where we will see or guest mark mckinnon greeting his old boss, george w. bush on the campaign trail in is south carolina. >> it's kind of a high noon/ok corral. >> how are you? >> looking great. >> i'm listening to "put me in coach". >> yes, sir. that's our theme song. good to see you, how does it feel? reporting for duty? >> yeah, reporting for duty. >> how nice to see you. >> ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united states, george w. bush. >> thank you. i understand that americans are angry and frustrated, but we do
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not need someone in the oval office who mirrors and inflames our anger and frustration. we need someone who can fix the problems, so please welcome a man i am proud to call my big little brother, jeb bush. >> i ask for your support next saturday. i ask for your prayers for our family. god bless you all. thank you very much for coming. >> bringing out govy, the whole bush family. that's the way the bushes roll. they don't want to leave anything on the field. >> in any campaign that's down, you're looking for a life preserver. and it was not to be. mark mckinnon was adviser to five successful campaigns, including president george w. bush's 2004 campaigns. i know you say it's like become in the cockpit of a campaign. as somebody who's been through
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this so many times, tell you what you find most interesting about documenting it, being the historian on the trail? >> well, there's -- i've always thought there's so much fascinating human drama behind the scenes of a presidential campaign, the candidate, the candidate's family, the staffers, people covering the race. there was just this amazing ecosystem of drama and pathos, humor and pain that's dramatic, entertaining and informative that most of the public never sees, and sometimes there have been documentaries six months or a year after, but i always thought it would be incredible if viewers could see not only what's happening, but as it's happening in real time. that's what we're doing with "the circus." >> is it like kardashian real? they know the cameras are there. so that's the question. what are we seeing? >> well, what we've discovered is after about 30 seconds, they
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forget the cameras are there. the thing that voters are hungry for these days is authenticity. they said to be what candidates are like when they're not doing the speeches, not doing the talking points. they want to see how they interagency with family and staff. >> who are the ones you have followed so far? >> well, we've followed everybody. we're following everybody on both sides of the race. >> ted cruz, for example, everybody says he's the most hated man in washington. his wife loves him. i know his former roommate in school who says he's a great guy. what have you seen? >> well, and i worked with him on the 2000 campaign. what we showed with ted cruz, we got on the buzz with him, and some great scenes that showed a sense of humor, lightness, interacting with his staff and campaign people. that's why today was an interesting development. i talked to him about it today. >> in a kind way? >> not just what happened -- >> yeah, yeah, it showed a human way, when you have to let a friend and staff ergo, what is that like? >> what about marco rubio?
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after that new hampshire debate. >> yeah. >> what was that like for him when he realized he had messed up in that debate. >> it was fascinating, really interesting, because nobody goes through politics in a presidential campaign, without going through a lot of adversity. we were able to document what happened, could he dust himself off? could he admit failure and be competitive enough to get back in the race? the thing that impressed me about rubio, he has a competitive vein, in a good way. >> and a thirsty man, but we've been over that. [ laughter ] >> how about donald trump? what did you observe behind the scenes with him in? >> well, he's just very -- he as real family man. his son was out here today in elko. he was terrific. >> did not jur or eric? >> donald jur. he's good.
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he's got the chromosomes as well. and he gave a speech today and was terrific. but really great interaction with his family. shows you what a family man he is. a lot of family interaction and compelling stuff. >> it's great stuff. i'm jealous. i wish i could be everywhere like you are, but i will just watch "the circus." >> thanks for having me on. all best. for week of being hammered, senator cruz fired a top staffer. we have new details on the inside story. plus -- governor john kasich is here next to respond after top players in the gop reportedly tell him it's time to get out? and then speaker of the house paul ryan joins us as some media outlets are asking whether he could be the final republican pick for president? we'll explain how that would work, just ahead.
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breaking tonight sfwhor ted cruz has asked his communications director to resign. after what cruz's critics call another lie. s the latest in the list of applications, from the now --
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trace gallagher has the details. at the very heart of the it shows marco rubio walking past ted cruz's far and a staffer who was reading the video. here's five sessions of how "the dale will pennsylvaniian quugs subtitled what they thought rubio said. watch. >> the video went viral and the spokesman rick tyler -- >> but rubio claims he didn't say -- he said all the answers are in the bible. rick tyler agreed he got it wrong and deleted the post. here he is "america's newsroom" prior to getting fired. >> you're right. the judgment about what he said was wrong, so i apologize about
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that. >> marco rubio accepted the apology, but still attacked the cruz campaign saying there has to be some level of accountability, calling it a very disturbing pattern. and it does come on the heels of the cruz campaign being aconfused of starting several rumors. still the firing came as a surprise, considering just last night the cruz campaign thought that marco rubio was overreacting to tyler's mistake. today the tone shifted. watch. >> it turned out the news stories he sent around was false, but even if it was true, we are not a campaign that's going to question the faith of another candidate. >> "the daily pennsylvaniian" has now removed the subtitles. >> thank you. another controversy this season involving governor kasich, and fallout from remarks he made earlier today that when
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he first ran for office back in 1978, women actually left that i kitchens to campaign for him. watch. >> how did i get elected? >> we just got an army of people including women who left kitchens, back when things were different. >> first your comment earlier about the women -- i'll come to support you, but i won't be c e coming out of the kitchen. >> i gottia, i gottia. joining mess is governor kasich. i can certainly say if it were my husband, he would say, for the love of god, get out of the kitchen. you do bad things in here. here's the thing. back when i started, we used to do these town has, but they were held in homes called coffees.
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some at the breakfast table, some in the living room. there's no question that a large part of my career was fueled by women who decided to join the effort and help me to get elected. but, you know, let's be real about this. my -- my campaign manager is a woman. she used to be my chief of staff. if i'm president, who knows, she'll have one of the highest positions in. country. i have a lieutenant governor who's a woman. you know, the situation is i appointed a lady to the ohio supreme court. obviously a woman, and i have a number of very influential cabinet members. >> back in 1978 when you first ran for office, 70% of women were not working out of the home full time. they just weren't. the vast majority of women were at home, and things have changed a lot since then. i assume you know that. >> megyn, you know, i operate on a high wire. i'm not scripted. i don't have a teleprompter,
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every once in a while you say something and didn't say it exactly the way you should. i'm not going to change that. we've had a tell prompter and scripted candidates. it's time to move on and be real. >> as somebody who has said many stupid things on the air, i can relate. i think you get a pass on a countrile. >> after south carolina, the conventional wisdom is look, the pressure is on governor kasich and ben carsing tougts out because the, quote, establishment has consolidated around marco rubio, and i look at the headlines today, national review -- hard for us to see what legitimate purpose is served by either of them. receipt state -- for the sake of the country, get out of the race. jeb bush showed leadership by getting out, on and on it goes. to them you say what? >> it sounds like a bunch of
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washington insiders. they didn't think i would get in the race, nobody thought i would raise the money. nobody thought i could do well in new hampshire. i never expected to do that great in south carolina, as i told you. look, i had 1,000 people tonight here in richmond, over 1,000 people earlier at george mason. we have people joins the campaign who are fund-raisers, some who raised mob for jeb bush. we have our political team expanding. i'm not going to listen to a bunch of lobbyists insiders. i never have. frankly for the first time in this campaign, my message is starting to be heard. that's why we're getting crowds. everybody else, just sit back. i really don't have a lot of interest in what these people have to stay. i have people who come and say we needing to stay in, you're hope for us. don't count me out, megyn. >> i'm not counting anything. some people are speculating, one
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could 'em argue of prospect of on rabe use/kasich ticket. is that something you a would consider. >> if you reversed it, kasich/rubio. >> but how about the way i asked? >> look, no, megyn, i don't run for second place. let me explain. i'm beating hillary clinton by 11 points, more than any other republican in the race. i'm now tied for third in the national polls. i have always made the establishment nervous, because i don't take orders from them. i've shaken the system up the entire time i've been in politics. look, i've spent verbal little money, we're doing just fine. >> last question, you have an ad out today that sort of parlays off of that extraordinary moment you had with that young man on the campaign trail. watch.
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>> announcer: being president is more than the economy or the health care. >> i have in a dark place for a long time, but now i've found hope in a presidential candidate, and i would appreciate one of those hugs you've been talking about. >> there is a place for quiet strength. the oval office. >> new day for america is responsible for the content of this advertising. that was the pac, not you, but that was narrated by tim allen. he was saying last week how much he liked you. how much of an impact to you think that hug had on your campaign? >> well, my immediate reaction in hearing about that ad, i don't like it. >> why not? >> because i just don't like that. i think it spoke for itself. i'm not going to yell at my people who i'm not even connected to to take something off the air. i'm not comfortable with that. a woman tonight talked about
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five suicides in her family. another woman told me about an autistic child and a 16-year-old that has a mental illness. if i can have them safe to talk about things they care about, that's great, but i just -- i'm just -- something strikes me wrong about it. i haven't thought about it, megyn, but what can i say? all i can tell you is this -- this country is going to work best when we have leaders in washington and when where we live in our own communities that we put things together in strength, and not wade for something to come in and try to straighten out our schools or neighborhoods. we need to do it ourselves. it was a precious moment, but they've been happening for six months. that sort of longing is why you stay in this race. i'm excited about the future here. >> great to see you, governor. >> thanks, megyn. god bless. we are hearing again and again this year how voters are
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files. growing questions about the direction of the republican parties and how donald trump managed to secure his second primary victory. >> some folks blame a general from you trace. others think, our next guest can claim credit for fueling trump's rise. he just so happens to be speaker of the how. congressman paul ryan is republican out of wisconsin, and current speak of the house. >> good to be back with you. >> there's a piece in "the american thinker" where the writer suggests that you have fueled donald trump's rise because you are tone-deaf to the concerns of republicans, for example the budget bill that went through, had no money for a border fend. it funded obama's amnesty program, allowed fudgeding for sanctuary cities, so they say you don't get it. >> first of all, this is what
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divided government is. the problem with divided government is you can't get everything up, number one. number two, i inherited this mess from the earlier congress. everyone knows this budget bill was done, but we also got very conservative wins, very good pro-life writers, on the internal revenue service, a lot of good conservative wins. >> people hear that and they say, he's talking about compromise. die trying. die trying. >> i find myself giving civics lesson. >> am i going to get one now? >> maybe a short lesson. a bill has to pass the house, the senate. >> schoolhouse rocks. >> when you have a liberate president who won't sign conservative bills into law, they don't go into law. we put them on the president's desk, he vetoes that. we don't have the votes to
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override it. he's vetoed six bills we've sent to him. >> on that point realistically, if electoral puts a republican in the white house and flips the senate bag to the democrats, which a lot of people will happen, is anything going to change? >> i don't think that's going to happen. if we win the white house, i think we keep the senate. here's the point. what we are doing is we believe we need to respect the country and the moment for what it is. everything is up for grabs in 2016. now sh congress is up for grabs, the presidency is up for grabs. the question before us is are we going to re-claim a constitutional republic or going to go down this past of this welfare state that president obama has been building. here is what we are going to to do the in house. we're going to roll on the an agenda in the spring with five big areas that we believe will make or break this country. we're going to lay it out and give people a clear and
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compelling choice. the way we see our job in congress -- you think people are frustrated? try being in congress with this presidency. >> it must be terrible. when we talk about the approval ratings of congressmen being lower than a cockroach, that's just mean. >> slightly above bubonic plague. >> i know some members of congress and they say it's disheartening, they're trying b. you system is dysfunctional. >> we need the people to break this tie. we're going to take an agenda on economic growth, on getting people out of the poverty, replacing obamacare and paying -- >> what do you mean an agenda? >> we're going to offer specific plans, here is whey we can do with a republican president -- >> to try to get the vote -- >> if you election us, this is what we'll do, the key, gretchen -- sorry, i was just talking to gretchen over there, the key, megyn, is we have people breaking this tie. it's not working.
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>> you don't think anything can get done unless it's one party rules. >> look at the path we are on. we have to do big things soon to get or country back on the right track. what we are going to do is offer the country -- >> to try to persuade them your ideas are better. >> give us a president we can work with. in 2017 -- >> your a policy guys, this seems more of a personal driven election. people are gravitating -- >> that's right. >> -- to a different kind of message. your thoughts? >> i think we win idea contests, i think we temperaturically lose personality contests. we're going to bring a layer of substance and foundation of principles and ideas to this campaign so that we can have more of an idea contest. this is what i wish we had in 2012. you can't wait until the convention or the fall. >> what about about that? do you think there's a chance of a brokered convention? >> i doubt that. >> you would have to preside over it as speaker of the house. >> i have six days notice to
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taking this job. i learned about that after i took the job. >> not disclosed. one of the theories is paul ryan will be the republican nominee. others suggest the way it could happen is they take the first vote and the pledged delegates vote as they've said think will, and nobody has enough. in the second vote they're allow to do go where they want, and people say we can't agree, look at him, he's so handsome. >> thank you. >> such a niceman. >> thank you. trying so heart. mitt romney loved him. >> no way, ain't gonna happen. first of all, i think you should run for president if you're going to be president. i chose consciously, my family and i decided not to run for president. i'm not going to be the president. it's going to be somebody who is running for president. the point in the house we're trying to make, believe me, we are frustrated. we see the country slichg, so we want to put it all on the table
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and give the country a clear and so we can win a man dade. we're trying to get a 1980 type of election, but for today's circumstances and issues so we can fix this mess. >> maybe the clean shave will help. see what you think, the split screen. >> so i'm a bow hunter, and i grow a beer every deer season. no one made a point about this last year when i had it. >> did the deer find the beard more -- >> it's can warmer. >> you know they have scarves like that. >> i've heard of that. >> great to see you. >> you too. breaking tonight after a series of democratic primaries are decided by coin flips and cutting cards, folks are now asking if all of this will stand? we'll talk about that with judge in a poli napolitano. stay tuned. hands down, it was, that's who i was. after one week of chantix, i knew i could quit. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven
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oblivion, is that possible? >> no, it would by immoral and secretary gates is absolutely right. remember i began by saying we have hard issues infinitely gray and now in the debates we turn them into bumper stickers. >> we have had donald trump saying he would waterboard. >> and a lot worse, because they deserve it. we never did anything because they deserved it. people can argue about what we did, but it was never, never a form of punishment. that was general michael hay den, the only man o has ever served as director of the nsa appeared cia. joining me now, general michael hayden, out with a new book called "playing to the edge" great to see you. >> great to see you. >> what an opportunity for the
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american people to hear it directly from you. you don't believe in carpet bombing. as for you torture and waterbombing, what say you as the guy who was at the cia when we were doing that? >> on a very practical candid basis, megyn, i don't know that we could convince in cia officer to do it. i think if a new president or future president wants to waterboard somebody, we better bring his own bucket. after cia did this in good faith under the opinion of the attorney general that it was lawful, the american political system turned against it, and that commitment to cia officers, when they go out and do something edgy for the republic, authorized by the president, briefed by congress and the director says i think this is a good thing to do, they think they have a social cert with the american republic, and it has a half-life longer than the -- and officers have been taught that's no longer true. >> they were thrown under the
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bus. >> they will not go do this. many people will celebrate that, but there's a bunch of other things they will be asked to do that are on the edge that i fear they will be reluctant to do. >> and because you think they should press the limits, because they are in in large part charged with protecting us. they work in a unique space. we are the nation's first line of defense, we accomplish what overs cannot. we go where cannot go. we have a special space for the protection of el republic. we are expected, asked to do no one no one else is asked or allowed to do to keep america safe. what about another proposal, also from trump, that we should be killing the terrorists' families. that will make them pay attention? >> i say play to the edge, but there are lines. there are lines beyond which our nation should not go. all right. that's unethical, that's
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immoral. that violates all the laws of armed conflict, and frankly it's not even a winning hand. if you jump over the moral restrain restraints, all you have done there is animate your ensome i about i your barbaric action. what about some of the others candidates proposed getting rid of the nsa surveillance program and replacing it with something that cruz argues is more robust, more access to more phone records. >> it's a mixed bag, and it's a complicated picture. now, the system we now have based upon the u.s. freedom act is nsa no longer gets to keep the data. >> the phone companies keep it. >> but it gets access to a illustrateb bit more. that's a plus, but let me give you my candid assessment. it's a broad assessment. i suspect what we have is the 85% solution. if this were the best way to set this up, that's the way i would
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have set it up in october 2001. frankly what i do in the book is take these and other issues like them and explain that we're not operating in black and white we're, we're operating in continuous gray. these are always difficult decision. >> what about the hillary matter and the disclosure of classified information, top secret inspection, including we're told some, you know, spy information. >> well, first of all the most important caveat, i haven't seen any of these, so i don't know what is or is not in them, but my view -- the sin here is absolutely the original sin. once you set it up this way, this can't go to a happy place. >> the private server? >> the private server. what's going to happen -- they don't have to be ignorant or stupid or immoral, just in the press of business, they'll put things into that system that are now going to ends up in this unprotected server, and as the former director of nsa, if i
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could have gotten access to the server of the foreign minister of a potential adversary of the united states, even for their unclassified e-mails, i would have moved heaven and earth to do that. >> was it reckless? >> it was really imprudent. i don't know why the permanent government, the folks at state would actually not have gone to the secretary and said, ma'am, you just can't do it that way. >> looking forward to reading the entire thing "playing to the edge." it is out tomorrow. thank you for your service. >> thank you. ahead, democrats using games of chance to determine election outcomes, but are they gambling with a possible lawsuit? judge napolitano will rule, when we come back. pet moments are beautiful,
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a developing tonight, new reaction of democratic delegates awarded by games of chance. the latest, to the benefit of democratic front-runner hillary clinton. on saturday, mrs. clinton won the nevada caucuses with a precinct requiring a tiebreaker to pick the winner. not the first time. this one was done by drawing cards. she pulled the ace of clubs.
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and beat senator sanders. judge andrew napolitano is fox's senior judicial contributor. we saw the precincts decided by coin toss. we were told she won 7 out of 7 but she won half. i said there's no way she won half. an tails never wins. >> right. but it did seem as she won 7 out of 7. now she's won 4 out of 7. >> like mumbo jumbo. >> when you submit your petition and you sign a bunch of agreements, one of which is if there's a tie here's how we break it. they flip a coin or in las vegas they pull a card and you agree. >> i think there should be some skill involved and make them row sham bow. you have a fighting chance. i want to ask you about hillary
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clinton's e-mails. >> general hayden and i have disagreed but nobody knows more about the nsa works and the way the internetworks and about the way you secure information on the internet than general hayden. he just indicted her. lower case "i" by arguing the unbelievable significance to the enemy even to our allies to want to get a leg up on us of having the secretary of state of the united states use a non-secured server for four years and the president being aware of it. >> where's the career state department employees to say you can't do this. you can't. >> where was the white house is this. >> on a subject of hillary clinton, an extraordinary interview. here's part of it. >> jimmy carter famously said i will not lie to you. >> uh-huh. well, i have to tell you, i have tried in every way i know how, literally from my years as a young lawyer all the way through
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my time as secretary of state to level with the american people vie you always told the truth? >> i've always tried to. always, always. >> some people are going to call that wriggle room that you just gave yourself. >> well no, no. >> jimmy carter said i will never lie you. >> you are asking me to say have i ever -- i don't believe i ever have. i don't believe i ever have. i don't believe i ever will. i will do the best i can to level with the american people. >> she not only lies, lies about lying and scott pelley had to coax her into the truth. >> wouldn't it have been a lie for any presidential candidate to say, i have never lied? i don't believe -- all of them lie! >> but for her to say i try to tell the truth, what the heck kind of an answer is that? >> more like, i try. i try. remember we said that voice goes up, it's a tell, judge. >> it's the worst number she gets in all the polls. dishonesty. >> a tough question. great to see you. >> pleasure. >> we'll be right back. fast-di.
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on wednesday evening, please join us for a candidate forum. senator cruz, rubio, kasich and carson join yours truly and the voters of texas for a q & a just days before the super tuesday vote. i'm megyn kelly. welcome to "hannity." we're coming to you from beautiful las vegas, nevada. where tonight for the hour we'll be joined by republican presidential front-runner donald trump. now -- we have a huge audience. made up of hundreds of people, local republican political organizations and groups, friends and frequent guests on this program. trump supporters and volunteers. provided by the way to us by the campaign and others who heard about the event on my radio show. members of the audience will be allowed to ask him some questions later in the program. but first, we have a lot to get

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