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we asked for your pictures. our very own judge napolitano sent us a picture of his puppy gina. >> we'll see you back here on the couch tomorrow. >> stay within yourself. >> tha bill: awaiting a major announcement from the white house. president obama will announce his plan to close the detention facility at guantanamo bay. that's an idea that's not without opposition. martha: i'm martha maccallum. the president is expected to fulfill his campaign promise to close guantanamo bay which currently houses 91 detainees. the defense department says it will meet today's deadline to close the facility and move the prisoners. reporter: a house armed services
committee aide says the plan will arrive on capitol hill within the next hour. on a talk show he suggested the d.o.d. plan sounds more like a p.r. effort than and legitimate plan to work with congress. kelly ayotte said while the administration refuses to level with the american people about the detainees who remain at guantanamo. according to the a.p. the pentagon plan is considering 13 different locations in the united states to house gitmo detainees including seven existing prison facilities. fort worth.
the naval bridge in charleston, south carolina and four locations in colorado. those locations are sure to meet with many resistance from the members of congress that represent those districts. bill: this point came up in the debate in iowa. if gitmo is closed, what happens to the detainees we capture on the battlefield. reporter: there are over 90 prisoners who still remain at guantanamo. 35 are allegedly set to be shipped out to other countries this summer. the stop general here said last summer the guys who remain at gitmo are th -- the worst of th.
re-sit vism rate hovers -- the recidivism rate hovers in the 90% range. bill: ohio governor john kasich is with us. what do you think about this plan? >> i haven't seen the plan, but i don't favor closing gitmo. some of these people are the worst of the worst. why would we send them into our country? i don't understand this. all i can tell you is i pro foundly disagree. martha: if you were to become president, this isn't something you could put back into the box.
>> the question is does congress have any authority to act in this? i don't know what the procedure will be, but i don't support it. martha: you are in georgia, the caucus tonight, what's the strategy? >> we have been all over the country. i left south carolina last friday evening. i did better than people expected me to do. yesterday in virginia, now we are in georgia, tennessee, louisiana, mississippi. we are running all over the place and we expect to do welcome march 1st. i'm not sure how we are going to do it in nevada. the caucus is a different animal. we are looking forward to the first.
march. i got great crowds. i had over 1,000 people last night at virginia commonwealth in richmond. people are begging me. they are telling me stuff you wouldn't believe, deep and personal issues about our families, and they say you are the guy offering us the hope and we just keep moving forward. martha: there is no doubt you have got and lot more attention the last few weeks. you have seen touching moments on the campaign trail where you are connecting with voters. you have taken the nicer path saying you don't want to go after your opponents in this race. donald trump could easy have this thing wrapped up when you look at the delegate numbers.
>> first of all, martha, i didn't get any attention until after new hampshire. i barely was a blip. since that time i beat hillary clinton by more than any republican, by 11 points. i'll beat donald trump in ohio. and we need to have a respectable finish and accumulate delegates as we move forward. at some point you will see the frontrunner stumble in a real way and i think the race will come down to earth. at the same time i have been badly outspent. i spent $5 million, $6 million. a lot of ads being used to beat me up. a lot of negative campaigning against me. i'm neck and neck with the people who were after he head of me like marco. we'll keep plugging. this is the first time the
people in this country get a chance to hear about my head and the things i want to do to clear jobs. and the first time to understand my heart. >> you are seeing it on the campaign trail. we'll keep going and we'll see what happens. martha, look, i'm the last governor standing in were 16 when i got in the race. here is the thing. what i would love for everybody to do is take the resumes. the record and accomplishments and put them side by side. when i have been balancing budgets and creating allege environment for oncreation, things have risen. in my state things are doing really well, and the politics of it are good. you have just got to keep going. martha: time may not be on your side, but we'll see as you say.
thursday night we'll lay out your record on that stage. we wish everybody luck in that process. >> we had three elections. we have 51 to go. i'm not sure time is running out. we'll do the best we income the debates. the town halls are what people should keep their eyes on. bill: all right, martha, thank you. nevada gets to choose today in the caucus just like democrats in that state this past saturday. meanwhile new fallout between the battle between marco rubio and ted cruz. cruz firing his consultant over the video suggesting mr criticized the bible. >> this guy lies more than i
have ever sooner. unbelievable. he holds up the bible and lies. >> every single day something comes out of the cruz campaign that isn't true. we are at the point where we start looking at accountability. >> donald trump and marco rubio don't want to defend their records. and when someone brings up their records, they scream, liar, liar, liar. bill: let's handicap nevada first. it's difficult to do. not a lot of polling. what can we suggest about where that state is now? >> it looks like donald trump is ahead. you are right. it's a small caucus. only one-third the size of the iowa caucuses on the republican side. we don't have a lot of polling.
there is only two polls this year. donald trump led by 26 points in one of them and 16 points in one of them. we got tripped up with a lot more polling in iowa. we do have the sense trump had a big lead a while back. plus none of his opponents are claiming they are going to win either. bill: being that state is the reporting is from that state, they don't see a lot of ground game. on the cruz-rubio back and forth. where is this today as we get ready for another contest? >> the cruz people i just talked to some a few minute ago are saying what you heard nor scruts say there which is his opponents are trying to distract from the issues. but i think it's clear there
were worries this play dirty accusation against cruz in light of the cruz-carson controversy that goes back to iowa. they took swift and severe action against rick tyler, their top spokesman and strategist and cruz fired him yesterday. the cruz campaign is trying to show this whole image it's gone the so far is not the case. bill: cruz said he will beat donald trump in -- kasich said he will beat donald trump in ohio despite the poll that came out this morning. martha: president obama is expected to announce his plan to close gitmo.
bill: if donald trump wins the nomination, what is the impact on the republican party. fair and balanced debate in a moment. >> we can't win if we are quite divide. if we nominate someone half the republican party hates, we'll facebook fighting against each other until november. let your eyes decide. flonase changes everything.
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>> if you vote for me i will unify this party. we can't win if we are divided. if we nominate someone half of the republican party hates, we'll be fighting against each other all the way to november. we are going to lose to hillary clinton or bernie sanders. we have to nominate someone who will bring us together. and i'll bring us together faster than anyone else running right now. bill: rich lowry, and we have a former speech writer. >> there is a gop civil war you hear about in the media. but this is a genuinely divided party.
if trump loses he will have a lot of his supporters who are incredibly intent, incredibly devoted and say the establishment. bill: blue collar americans, moderate democrats and independent so far. >> some blue collar americans. the republican party seems to be coalescing the he athletes of the republican party. with rubio that should have been done months ago. trump has the momentum. he will do well tonight and on super tuesday. the on the state marco rubio talk about winning is florida. this is a little bit too late for the marco rubio thing.
i think hillary is a much longer general election candidate than trump. but i wouldn't have predicted trump would make it this far. bill: if rubio is right and the party hate trump, it's up to the party to unite them. >> it's not as though paul religion is going to boycott the republican convention. if the fall you would see a number of republican house and senate candidate going their own way and distancing themselves from trump that would be very awkward. i don't discount the fact that trump wins the nomination. in the nomination battle he might be a better candidate in a general election. democrats will nuke him with negative ad and they will make
hip out to be a mitt romney vulture capitalist time 10. >> i think trump is weak on several thing. one is the way he talk about women. it's one thing to attack hip for his business practices, i'm talking about the way he talk about carly fiorina, megyn kelly, and his own daughter. bill: are you writing the ads when you get off the air here? >> i think there is plenty of room to go after trump, especially on the women's things. i think mitch mcconnell handed the democrats a big victory by making this about the supreme court. bill: that can cut both ways.
there i a piece in "the washington post" about republicans worrying about a trump backlash. >> one thing that is bizarre about this race is trump has been the frontrunner for a long time. the odds are strong he will run threw this process and he hasn't really been hit. if you looked at the rubio hit we started this segment with isn't a tough attack. it doesn't even mention his name. donald trump has gone the a relative free ride. bill: pillow fight. >> rubio needs to go after trump, not cruz. bill: back to the editing room. 20 past, martha. martha: new polls are giving us a first look at the presidential race. can donald trump win on john kasich's hope turf?
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donald trump beating john kasich in his own state. we just spoke with him and he begs to differ with that assessment. you have got 5% undecided. the sway voters ahead of that primary. >> i will beat donald trump in ohio. we'll be fine in ohio. we need to have a respectable finish and accumulate delegates as we move forward. martha: what else stands out in this new poll we are getting this morning? >> there is still time to sway voters before the ohio primary. but this poll shows how hard it will be for his rifles to pull voters away from them.
donald trump's supporters, be 78% say their minds are made up compared to kasich at 50%. martha: what does this mean for kasich's campaign? >> from the beginning part of kasich's appeal is he's the sitting governor in one of the most important swing states in the election. as he told you earlier this hour, he said i'll be fine in ohio, i can beat trump, don't count me out. one popter bright point for kasich is his favorability rating. 77% of the republicans polled said they have a favorable opinion of him. rubio and cruz you can see are in the middle at 62% and 60%.
whoever wins will get all of the state's 66 delegates, a big prize, martha. martha: it will make it even more interesting when we get to the winner take all * states. somebody has to make the argument they have to win states other than donald trump if they are going to convince anybody it's not too soon to turn it around. bill: kasich won 86 out of 88 counties in ohio. that's a steamroller of a campaign. what we saw in south carolina. rural counties in south carolina went for strum overwhelmingly. this a tendency they will go for trump as well which gives kasich a high hurdle to climb.
he's very popular in ohio. martha: one of the things we are seeing play out, though immigration may be the issue of that put donald trump on the map, it's the economy and the ability to turn it around is getting him traction in these rural counties. they say we watched what everybody else is doing and they haven't turned it around for us. bill: you talk about subprime loans and mortgages upside down and people losing their homes to foreclosure. las vegas is ground zero for that. there are major hangovers as a result. the government trying to force apple to give them access to a terrorist's phone. martha: senator rubio is the new
wanted to do this from day one. he's also preparing for a trip to cuba where he's going to meet with the president there. your thoughts. >> it's not a surprise. this has been a goal from day one. he had a full czar whose job it was to close guantanamo. the fact that he's willing to do it in violation of an explicit law probably has two things, one he has very little to lose in his opinion. he doesn't believe the american people will impeach him and with the death of justice scalia he might view that the supreme court will back him by a 4-4 decision, the liberals letting him do it even if it's a clear violation of the law.
martha: in move congress voted to ban tonight detainees coming into the united states. >> you are right. the president signed a law that included it. this is a president who doesn't respect the law or constitution. it's the reason we are so concerned about who the next president is. will this be somebody who thinks if you just say it, it happens, whether it's a republican or democrat? or will we have someone who has respect for the rule of law and the process our founders gave us to obey. there is little we can do if this president ignores the law in a timely fashion. our process is to go to the court. the court is likely not to rule quickly. and andy jackson, the founder of the democratic party in the
trail of tears defied the court in the march of the native americans to their death. martha: what about the importance of the naval base? do you see dynamic changing with whether we intend to be there at all after these discussions with cuba? >> we have a lease in perpetuity. for the president to void a lease may be more complicated than just saying so. if congress determines that the lease is not authorized to be voided, it's a lease in perpetuity, he may order the military to leave. i have to be quite candid, it's the decision u.s. military leaders have to make. are they going to obey an unlawful order to move people fro --from guantanamo, an unlawl order to close the base.
remember the trail of tear was only possible, the murder of those native americans was on possible because the military obeyed an order in violation of the u.s. supreme court. so do i believe military may push back on the president if he's given an unlawful order? i do. i can see flag officers resigning rather than obeying an unlawful order. martha: you are supporting marco rubio. he's saying everyone will galvanize around hip now. we'll see how ted cruz does in the coming races. john kasich is still in this race. a lot of people say why didn't they spend their type going after donald trump? now they are in a position where he's in a prong place to run the table. months from now when hillary is in a tough fight again him perhaps and say that's what we should have done.
>> i think you are pointing out something that's part of our process. in a proportional election where everybody gets their piece of the pie, nobody would plan on donald trump being the nominee of the party. they would be planning on everybody going to cleveland with everybody brokering a piece of it. as we get into winner take all state. the challenge is 70%, 65%, 70% of republicans support somebody other than donald trump. but if donald trump has the largest minority at 35%, 36%. he could be the forced no knee of the party. you end up with the marginal candidate but the one who can get the largest minority, it doesn't always give us the best candidate. but all the candidate who do not have a path to getting 51% in
races need to ask the question, are they in pact electing donald trump by daying in the race? this goes to some of the candidate, they are good, they are qualified, they would beat the president, but they know in their heart they are not going to begin in the current dynamic. that includes ben carson. i consider hip a friend and he's a wonderful person. he doesn't have a pathway to the nomination. john kasich has a pathway to a couple of wins, but not to the actual nomination. that's where we have to ask can we coalesce behind three candidate. martha: good to see you this morning. bill: now we have an original in the tech world thoughing his support behind the federal government in his fight with apple.
bill gait saying th -- bill gatg apple should help the f.b.i. >> the government has been fighting this for a number of months. some people believe it will be decided in the court of public opinion. the government has gone to the courts to try to get apple to access this phone. so far most in the tech industry have cop out in favor of apple and their defines of that argument. and now the fact that bill gates, the microsoft founder has come out in favor of the government staying in this one specific case they should comply in an interview published today is controversial within the industry itself and a bit of a surprise for others.
he goes on to say to compare the request he says the government must be subjected to rules about when they can access the information. the phone was found in the front seat of a car in front of the house of the farook. it was a county-issued phone investigators believe was used to contact others. they believe he worked with people overseas. and they won't be able to find out about six weeks of information, they say, unless they can access this phone. bill: what is the effect of the protests across the country? >> it's a cross-cutting issue. you have people on the right and left agreeing on this.
there have been a number of protests in apple stores. this is the latest happening across the country. the last one was more centered on new york and san francisco. the idea is a lot of people who have apple iphones will be going out to apple stores showing their support leaving notes saying apple should not comply with the federal government. this may be decided in the court of public opinion before the courts get to it. martha: the senate meeting today for the first time since the death of justice scalia. where does the battle go now? bill: how would he fare against a democratic opponent. why he says he cannot wait to take on hillary clinton or bernie sanders.
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bill: donald trump trying to get another win in nevada make it three in a row after new hampshire and south carolina. trump telling sean hannity he would happily take on either one. >> i would love to run against hillary clinton. she is so badly flawed. she shouldn't be he loud -- i would also love to run against a socialist/communist. i don't think our country is ready for communism. bill: i think he carries every
state right today the republicans have been traditionally carrying. he puts michigan in play. he's ahead of a popular governor we see in the polls. donald is a combative guy and he will take either one of those candidates apart. bill: can he winnow high oh and florida in the general election? >> if you don't winnow high oh and florida you don't win. my sense is the blue collar working people in ohio, and floridians know him. he's popular in that state. he's favored to win on the 15th. bill: what about trump-rubio, what about trump-kasich.
>> i think cruz will win texas. but i think ohio is a combat area and i have respect for john who said on this show he will beat him when he gets there. bill: you just said cruz wins texas? i haven't heard a lot of people say that. if he can't win next primary process he won't be viable. bill: donald trump with sean hannity on his definition of conservative. >> i i have have much evolved. but if you look at my real conservative credentials, they say he's not a true conservative. jeb and others are saying he's not a true conservative. because that's when i came up and said i'm a common sense conservative. >> define that. >> the hard-core conservatives
don't think he's one of them on pro-life and other issues. there has been an evolution on life and i think that happens to a lot of people. he's not going to say he's a thinking conservative. the key thing is every issue of that's undefined he has to started defining more carefully. bill: do you read much into the turnout? i ask you because fairly 100,000 in south carolina came out of nowhere, and the republican party chairman and others who have run that state forever. on the same day democrats are down. >> i think there is far more enthusiasm on our side. >> he's energizing voters who haven't traditionally voted. at the end of the day's a valuable asset to this party.
i hope he gets specific about the issues. if he's the nominees, there will be a lot of people enthusiastically address it. bill: what about cruz and rubio? >> they need to stop beating the daylight out of each other. bill: march 1, two weeks from day, that's what i call super tuesday 2.0. then super tuesday 3.0 on the 15th of march. >> we have the two big superdelegate states, florida and ohio. if trump beats rubio in florida it's over for rubio and if he beats john kasich in ohio it's
over for him. bill: it's amazing thing how those two states. martha: the senate republicans are about to meet for the first time since the death of supreme court justice antonin scalia. how will they move forward and handle the president's eventual nomination which they say will come to fill that vacant seat. >> if we lose it means the next supreme court just is won't be anything like to antonin scalia. it will be someone who agrees with barack obama. but the constitution means whatever you want it to mean. when heartburn hits
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martha: republicans minutes away from their first meeting on the replacement of justice is scalia. >> you can expect a lot of talk about a former senator, the vice president joe biden who is -- the first time clinton ran for president, he explained things get so ugly during presidential elections, if there was ever a presidential election happening while there was and i opening on the supreme court. then the senate should tell the white house not to touch it, just leave it open until the last ballots have been cast. >> the senate judiciary committee should seriously not
have hearings until the campaign is over. reporter: biden is backtracking saying while some say my comments in 1992 contribute to a more politicalized process, it didn't prevent the process from continuing there was no spot open at the time. leaving the supreme court vacancy open is called the biden rule. and it's what their predecessors wanted. martha: i assume the senate will go forward with hearings on that judge. correct? reporter: so far we heard there is a possibility. but there is so far only one republican senator who says he wants there to be a hearing and
he wants to vote on an obama nominee. that's mark kirk. he says i recognize the right of a president be it republican or democrat to place before the senate a nominee for the supreme court. and i fully expect and look forward the the to president obama advancing the process. reporter: the senate may not go to recess so there is no recess appointment. bill: a major announcement expected from the white house 30 minutes from now. if this wish is grants, what will it mean. and those who do should switch to geico because you could save hundreds on car insurance. ah, perfect.
martha: president obama is expected to announce his plans to close guantanamo bay. a promise he made at beginning of his presidency. we are told it will include transferring the 91 detainees, half of whom are said to be large security concerns to facilities here in the united states. welcome to a brand-new hour of america's newsroom. bill: the white house says the plan will need 475 million dollars for construction but will save taxpayers in the long run. that plan delivered to congress earlier. a jack keane, refired four star general. you knew this day would come. it was the intents of the commander-in-chief. we don't have all the details. upon reaction you think what?
>> first of all, yes this day was going to come. president obama and president bush wanted to close guantanamo bay. its usefulness had been served. the war against al qaeda or radical islam was winding down and it was being used as a recruiting tool. but those assumptions have changed. radical islam has grown into a jihad. secondly, being used as a recruiting tool, it's not used as a recruiting tool by isis or most of the al qaeda affiliates. the assumption we have now is we are facing a major challenge with radical islam and it makes sense to capture as many people as we can and get as much
valuable information from them. we can do that in the theater to be sure. but we have to have a centralized facility to do that. this makes operational sense. bill: you say by law the president cannot take detainees out of gitmo and move them to the u.s. what congress said already, he said we told the administration, we need details to orthis. how much detail will be in this plan? >> isis struck the details congress wants will not be in the plan. it will have to be followed up later if the administration is willing to do it. they will recommend a number of sites and specifically what had to be done for every one of those site is another matter. the president knows if he acts he's in violation of law. given his track record in terms
of what he has done a number of times, he violated law. it's possible he will act and then we have a problem with the united states military because they do not obey illegal orders. that in itself will provide a collision or the central intelligence agency for that matter. so this is a clinton administration that's taken place inside the executive branch and also with the congress of the united states. >> with the emphasis on money, they are saying we can save taxpayer dollars here. what about regard to safety. what about the suggestion these terrorists will just return to fight another day? >> i'm most concerned about the ones we released. when we got below 250, every single one of these guys was a hard-core terrorist likely to return. and we would just put window
dressing on it. that's the harsh reality of it. emptying out guantanamo bay was the president's alternative strategy because he couldn't get it closed. out of this group of 91 who still remain, 35 will be flushed back out into the system. when they return to their homelands, and make their way back to a radical or islamic affiliate. they are iconic figures because they were in guantanamo bay. it's really significant. >> they become celebrity when they go home. general, thank you. stay on standby for us and we'll take you to the white house. martha: donald trump is looking for his third win in a row and republicans caucus today in nevada, one week before the pivotal super tuesday primaries.
trump's closest rifles hoping to gain momentum and slowing down.n beat donald trump. it's one of the reasons why we are saying conservatives coalescing behind our campaign. >> i don't know how much you think they are funny or how interesting they sound. if we nominate somebody that 40% of our party can't stand, we'll lose. we need to nominate somebody who will bring us together. martha: recent sound from the campaign trail where it' very heated. >> the strange twist in this race with ted cruz having to fire hi national spokesperson yesterday. reporter: that is the smoking gun to charges from other campaigns, that the cruz cap
pain has been dishonest in the way it deals with its opponent from been carson in iowa to marco rubio. last night marco rubio said he didn't blame rick tyler for what happened. he said he was just doing his job. but he did lay the blame at the foot of ted cruz. he said he set the tone that aloud this to happen. >> in a culture every single day they are coming up with something. reporter: donald trump has also been hammering cruz. trump like rubio has been targeting negative attack ads and robocalls. he said he thinks there is something wrong with cruz. a far cry from earlier in the campaign. i asked trump about that. >> i don't want people lying.
even marco rubio said he's a liar. when you think of it, it's incredible. ted works with all these republican senators and not one of them have said a good thing about him. he's a nasty guy. you you don't want that. reporter: yesterday marco rubio picked up 12 endorsements. more expected today as the republican party coalesces against donald trump. trump * says marco rubio is a guy he likes, but friends have a way of becoming mortal enemies. martha: for more on this let's bring in chris tire walt, "digital politics" editor. obviously there is a lot of tongue lashing and finger pointing going around. when donald trump puts a sticker
on somebody's back it tend to adhere there quite solidly. nasty and liar is what it says on the back of cruz's back. reporter: cruz's decision to jettison his communications director. perhaps he felt he was obliged. but it was a big mistake. it on called attention to the allegations, and thal gazing are about falsely accusing somebody of not believing in the bible, and you don't do that right before the caucus. you don't call attention to a negative. remember with the caucus. this is the base of the base of the republican party. this is like iowa. it's closed to independents and democrats. it's just the base it's small turnout and these are people who pay attention. martha: there has been so much negative stuff coming toward the cruz campaign about the nasty
label and the liar stuff that obviously they felt that to jettison their spokesman was a positive move. their way of saying we don't do thing this way. we are on the up and up. we are sorry about the indent that happen. let's face facts, they happen in every campaign. so when you look at nevada tonight and donald trump and you look at the road ahead, listen, there has only been a few contests, we have a big cu big y here. he said mark my word, i will winnow high oh. reporter: the move inside the republican party to plead with john kasich to get out of this race and endorse marco rubio to possibly be his running-mate and cap pain with him in ohio is enormous.
kasich says it's early, but it ain't. the pressure will be heavy on him. martha: stick to the fox news channel for threat covering of the republican caucuses. special coverage kicks off at 11:00 p.m. tonight. bill: a little bit of history as to why this is so critical. nevada you go back four years ago in 2012. this is all marco rubio. it kind of matches we did four years prior. heavy moment voting in nevada. in 2008 he was at 51 per are of the vote. some suggest a 10% turnout. a lot of the contests so far. if you look at the future, and you start to consider why nevada is so critical now, this is the last contest republicans until you march into march 1, a week from today.
and the map lights up. places like texas and tennessee, georgia, alabama, georgia. in three weeks march 15 it's the winner-take-all states. on the same date many illinois and north carolina. so in the next three weeks we'll see a lot of action on both sides here. who knows, maybe it' it's de -- decided by mid-march. martha: president obama about to speak in terms of his plans to close guantanamo bay. it's something he said he have much wanted to do and felt it was an important move. however, the situation changed dramatically. you are looking at the left-hand side of your screen. senate majority leader mitch
mcconnell talking about guantanamo bay. bill: polling shows voters think ted cruz and donald trump are playing dirty politic in their campaigns. >> donald trump when you point to his actual record screams liar because he cannot defend his record because it's inconsistent with how he's campaigning and telling the voters.
martha: we are about 15 minute away from comments from president obama on closing guantanamo bay. the plant works would transfer suspected terrorists to this country, some of them, and others would be dispersed and sent back to where they came from. general mike hayden, head of the nsa. author of a really compelling new book called "playing to the edge," about his years. and nobody knows more about the intelligence business than you do. and you have been in it long time during confrontational and pivotal moments. the president sticking to a promise he made on day one in guantanamo bay. has what changed since then changed the reasoning and thinking that should go into this?
>> it makes me less comfortable with the decision. and it suggests a certain unnecessary almost unnatural demand to fulfill the promise rather than being driven by the facts as we know them on the ground. a couple steps. the bush administration was trying to reduce the population at guantanamo. we pushed more people out the door than the obama administration. but we thought we were winding the war down. well, things did get better for a while. but now it's ticking back up. i don't think it many as bad as pre 9/11. by it's ticking back up. i would like to see a commitment from the american president that we'll keep the american president under the arms much arms conflict and not put
combatants into the american court system. if we don't have guantanamo, where will we put them? martha: look what happened in paris and san bernardino. we have an ongoing as jack keane was just saying, challenge against isis and islamic extremists. >> we have lots of tools. one is a law enforcement tool. this president says we are at war with al qaeda and isis. so one of the things you do when you are at war is to capture and hold the enemied a enemy combatants. we should have the courage to do that. i come back to the point, if we do that, where .we put them? it doesn't have to be guantanamo. >> where would it be?
>> guantanamo is convenient. if we bring them here, if you think what we now call the guantanamo bar has caused a lot of issues with the prisoners in guantanamo, imagine what they might do if any of them are brought back to the united states and then because of their residency here claim more powerful rights and privileges. martha: that's always the concern. once you are in the united states, you have a different legal system at play. these people garner a status when they get back. and, you know, i guess that's part of the president's argument proposing it. he finds it's a recruiting tool. >> i don't think it was ever the recruiting tool some people it out to be. i'm getting fanciful on you here. imagine ourselves near raqqa.
holy smoke, the president is going to close guantanamo. no need for us nobody this line anymore. martha: before i let you go, the bikes called playing to the edge it's a terrific account of your time trying to keep this country safe. when you look at ther presidential election, i heard you have say not great things about donald trump. who do you have think can protect us and keep us safe. >> you are right about the theme of the book. we live in an eternally gray area. honest people can differ. we try to balance liberty will be safety, the forces of light and the forces of darkness. these are complicated questions. what's most discouraging for me
is when people try to discuss these questions down to a level that's disappointing and frightening. martha: thank you very much. thank you for coming in. bill: 21 past the hour now. donald trump with the momentum a week before super tuesday. where was the media on his campaign? some are questioning the voters intelligence who support him. will the media take him seriously? martha: that's a frightening scene caught on video. what caused this massive crane to come smashing down.
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bill: donald trump look for win number three in a row in nevada. a lot of pundits who once said he would never win are eating their words. >> i was just as sure as a lot of people that donald trump would stagger out of that debate and possibly end in second place. i those would be a novelty candidate. not somebody who would win. >> we didn't see this. we didn't understand that he was such strong medicine. >> there is still a lot of discussion among republicans who say i can't believe he's going to be the nominee. bill: what are you finding when you report on the other reporters?
>> eating their words. most journalists and pundits belatedly acknowledging donald trump is the odds on favorite to win the nomination. at the same time there are angry voices in the media blaming the voters calling them dumbies and racists. on the cover the warning after the south carolina vote. "the piggish voters of south carolina gobbled up the slop." a big headline after new hampshire, new hampshire goes racist, sexist. bill: what about the mainstream press?
how are they managing this campaign so far? >> some of the more candid journalists say we were wrong. we those would go nowhere and implode. clearly in the wake of ted cruz in new hampshire and south carolina. anyone else would have gotten. he's a controversial nominee. he's very divisive. they cover the horse race and say it will be hard, not impossible, but hard for cruz or rubio to stop trump. when you look the ideological. "national review" declared wear on donald trump from the right. they have a piece today saying trump is a liar, saying trump and bernie sanders emerged from the wreckage of a broken culture. but trump keeps on winning. bill: the wreckage of a broken culture.
martha: we are several minutes away from president obama talking about closing guantanamo bay. he will submit a plan to the pentagon. that announcement is coming any minute. bill: donald trump betting all his chips on nevada tonight. his son eric is live
in las vegas next here. >> i will say this, i think i have have much evolved. but if you look at my real conservative credentials, i don't think the word is that important.
process where not a single verdict has been reached in those attacks . not a single one. when i first ran for president, it was widely recognized that this facility needed to close. this was not just my opinion this was not some radical far left view. there was a bipartisan support to close it my predecessor, president bush, to hiscredit , said he wanted to close it. it was one of the few things that i and my republican opponent, senator john mccain agreed on your and so in one of my first acts as president i took action to begin closing. and because we had bipartisan support, i wanted to make sure we get it right the i indicated
we would need to take our time to do it in a systematic way and that we had examined all the options.and unfortunately, during that period where we were putting the pieces in place to close it, what had previously been bipartisan support suddenly came apart as a nation. suddenly, many who previously had said it should be closed backed off because they were worried about the politics. the public was scared into thinking that well, if we close it somehow we will be less safe . and since that time, congress has repeatedly imposed restrictions aimed at preventing us from closing this facility. now, despite the politics we have made progress.
of the nearly 800 detainees once held at guantanamo, more than 85percent have already been transferred to other countries. more than 500 of these transfers, by the way, occurred under president bush . since i took office, we sofar transferred 147 more , each under new significant restrictions to keep them from returning to the battlefield. and as a result of these actions, today just 91 detainees remain, less than 100 . today, the defense department thanks to very hard work by secretary of defense ash carter as well as his team working in concert with the office of management and budget, today the department is submitting to congress our plan for finally closing thefacility at guantanamo once and for all . it's a plan that reflects the hard work of my entire national security team so i especially want to thank ash and his team
at dod. this plan has my full support. it reflects our best thinking on how to best go after terrorists and deal with those we may capture and it is a strategy with four main elements. first, we will continue to securely and responsibly transfer to other countries the 35 detainees out of the 91 that have already been approved for transfer. keep in mind this process involved extensive and careful coordination across our federal government to ensure our national security interests are met when an individual is transferred to another country. so for example, we insistthat foreign countries institute strong security measures . and as we move forward, that means we will have around 60 and potentially even fewer
detainees remaining . second, we will accelerate the periodic reviews of remaining detainees to determine whether their continued detention is necessary. our review board which includes representatives from across government , will continue to look at all relevant information including current intelligence and if certain detainees no longer pose a continuing significant threat, they may be eligible for transfer to another country as well. number three, we will continue to use all legal tools to deal with the remaining detainees still held under law of ward detention. currently, 10 detainees are in some stage of the military commissions process, a process that we worked hard to reform in my first year of office with
bipartisan support from congress. but i have to say with respect to these commissions, they are very cautious. they have resulted in years of litigation without resolution. we are therefore outlining additional changes to improve these commissions which would require current congressional action and we will be consulting with them in the near future on that issue. i also want to point out that in contrast to the commission process, our article 3 federal courts have proven to have an outstanding record of convicting some of the most hardened terrorists. these prosecutions allow for the gathering of intelligence against terrorist groups. it proves that we can both prosecute terrorists and protect the american people . so think about it. terrorists like richard reid, the shoe bomber, abdul off, who try to blow up a plane over detroit, michael shabbat who
put a car bomb in times square and so hard sunnier who bombed the boston marathon, they were all convicted in our article 3 courts and are now behind bars here in the united states. so we can capture terrorists, protect the american people and when done right, we can try them and put them in our maximum-security prisons and it works just fine. and in this sense, the plan we are putting forward today isn't just about closing the facility at guantanamo, it's not just about dealing with the current group of detainees, which is a complex piece of business because of the manner in which they were originally apprehended and what happened. this is about closing a chapter in our history.
it reflects the lessons we have learned since 9/11. lessons that need to guide our nation going forward. so even as we use military commissions to close out the cases of some current detainees which given the unique circumstances of their cases make it difficult for them to be tried in article 3 courts, this type of use of military commissions should not set a precedent for the future. as they have been in past wars, military commissions will continue to be an option when individuals are dee but our pr , the most effective option for dealing with individuals detained outside military theaters , must be our strong, proven federal courts. fourth, and finally , we are
going to work with congress to find a secure location inside the united states to hold the remaining detainees. these are detainees who are subject to military commissions but it also includes those who cannot yet be transferred to other countries or who we have determined must continue to be detained because they pose a continuing significant threat to the united states. we are not identifying a specific facility today in this plan. we are outlining what options look like. as congress has imposed restrictions that currently prevent the transfer of detainees to the united states, we recognize that this is going to be a challenge and we are going to continue to make the case to congress that we can do this and responsible and secure way, taking into account the
lessons and great record of our maximum-security prisons.and let me point out, planwe are submitting today is not only the right thing to do for our security, it will also save money . the defense department estimates that this plan compared to keeping guantanamo open would lower costs by up to $85 million a year. over 10 years it wouldgenerate savings of up to 300 million, over 20 years the savings would be $1.27 billion . in other words, we can ensure our security, uphold our highest values around the world and save american taxpayers a lot of money in the process. so in closing, i want to say i am very clear eyed about the hurdles to closing guantanamo. the politics of this aretough . i think a lot of the american public are worried about terrorism and in their mind,
the notion of having terrorists held in the united states rather than in some distant place can be scary. but part of my message to the american people is we are already holding a bunch of dangerous terroristshere in the united states because we threw the book at them . and there have beenno incidents . we managed it just fine. and in congress i recognize in part because of some of the fears of the public that have been fan often times by misinformation, there continues to be a fair amount of opposition to closing guantanamo. if it were easy, it would have happened years ago as i wanted, as i have been working to get done. but the remains bipartisan
support for closing and given the states involvedfor our security, this plan deserves a fair hearing, even in an election year. we should be able to have an open, honest, good-faith dialogue about how to best ensure our national security . and the fact that i'm nolonger running , joe is no longer running, we are not onthe pallet , it gives us the capacity to not have to worry about the politics. let us do what is right for america. let us go ahead and close this chapter. and do it right, do it carefully, do it in a way that makes sure we are safe but gives the next president and
more importantly, future generations the ability to apply the lessons we learned in the fight against terrorism and doing it in a way that doesn't raise the problems that guantanamo has raised . i really thinkthere's an opportunity here for progress . i believe we got an obligation to try. president bush said he wanted to close guantanamo. despite everything he had invested in it. i give him credit for that. it was an honest assessment on his part about what needed to happen but he didn't get it done and it was passed to me. i've been working for seven years now to get this thing closed. as president i've spent countless hours dealing with this . i do not exaggerate about that. our closest allies raise it with me continually. they often raised specific cases of detainees repeatedly. i don't want to pass this problem on to the next president, whoever it is. and it as a nation we don't
deal with this now, when will we deal with it? are we going to let this linger on for another 15 years, another 20 years, another 30 years? if we don't do what's required now, i think future generations are going to look back and ask why we failed to act when the right course, the right side of history and justice and our bestamerican traditions was clear . so again, i want to thank secretary carter, you and your team did an outstanding job and you sold great leadership on this issue . with this plan, we have the opportunity finally to eliminate a terrorist propaganda tool, strengthen relationships with allies and partners and enhance our
national security and most importantly, uphold the values that bind us as americans. i am committed to closing the detention facility at guantanamo. i'm going to continue to make the case for doing so as long as i hold this office but this is a good moment for everybody to step back, take a look at the facts, take a look at the views of those who have been most committedto fighting terrorism andunderstand this stuff . our operatives, our intelligence officials, our military , let's go ahead and get this thing done. thanks very much everybody. >> there you have it. president obama has made his feelings clear. he intends to close guantanamo bike bay during the final months of his presidency. let's bring general jack came back in, retired four-star general and military analyst who is listening along with us. your thoughts, your reactions general? >> he has very strong feelings about closing it and he did back in 2007 when he first mentioned it. but the reality is, the
assumptions upon which he's making that judgment , the world has changed so dramatically that radical islam is morphing into a global jihad. it's on the rise. we have to have some place to put people who are in this very special category as terrorists who don't qualify as pows because they are not representing a nationstate and yet, cannot fulfill all the requirements of evidence to enter into the judicial system. that is the gray space that guantanamo bay represents for most of thepeople who are there so where is that place going to be? are we just going to walk away from our responsibilities to detain people who are actual terrorists? who cannot qualify to enter into our judicial system? that's your responsibility . the facts have changed, martha. that is really the issue here andit is no longer a propaganda tool to continue to say that, that's really unfortunate because that's a myth . isis doesn't even talk about it
and the new al qaeda affiliates don't talk aboutit either so that is no longer an issue. it may have been an issue at one time but it is not the issue we are facing today . >> jon: nine general jack keane has always. >> bill: donald trump was asked about it in nevada another big test for trump. does the republican frontrunner have a strong enough ground game to win ? his son eric on deck next . (pilot speaking to tower over radio) (tower speaking to pilot over radio) once you get out here... (radio chatter continues in background) that's all there is. there's just one direction. forward. one time... now. and there's just one sound.
the trump organization, also the son of donald trump and founder of the trump foundation in vegas. thanks for coming back here. >> how are you. >> bill: you been on the ground a couple days to give us a sense of where this campaign is? are you in contact with supporters who show up for you tonight? >> i think our ground game is fantastic. we've been: 30,000 people a day. literally, volunteers show up at our centers in the morning. is crowds of people who want to come out and support the campaign and it's been tremendous. we've been in vegas a long time, five years for my father and family building the big hotel we have here so we know so many people in the state. it's been an amazing place for us . >> bill: here's what i'm reading. help me down on this. reports suggest that what we saw in iowa is what's happening in nevada and that is, people don't see the trump ground game there. is that true or not? i don't think it's true at all. we had close to 15,000 people
register as a republican from independent and democrat just to vote for us. you go out to the rally and we had seven,8000 people in an amazing read arena last night. they were going crazy. you were showing clips before carolthere is tremendous support in the state. we are doing everything right and fingers crossed, we are going to win it. it's a sentimental place for us because of what i said before and the money we put into this state and the amount of time we spent here, it's a second home. i spend so much time in the state . i think we are going to do great . >> bill: the rally there, he made a comment i'd like to punch him in the facetalking about people getting carried out on a stretcher in protest. chris wallace was talking to your father on sunday about acting presidential and when does that transition happen? he suggests he can do it in any time . when at that time, eric? >> i think my father was having a lot of fun with the crowd. it was an amazing moment that had me laughing.
it's sad that we have a society where you have 78,000 people in a room as i mentioned before and they're having a great time and therefore a serious reason and are there because they love somebody and then you have one clown stand up and start making a ruckus and they interfere for so many people. go do that somewhere else. i'm glad to see my father unlike so many other candidates that has the microphone stolen away from them. i'm glad he has backbone and is willing to go out and say that. we need people who are tough. it's really sad how much society has degraded thatpeople think that's an okay social norm to do . >> bill: you noted your detractors would say that's cool but handle it a different way. i've got five seconds. you sound very confident. are you going to win in nevada tonight? >> were going to win tonight. i feel good about tonight. >> bill: thank you eric. eric trump there in nevada today. we will see what happens. thank you for your time. >> martha: the president
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>> martha: have a great night. happening now starts right now. >> jon: president obama saying the pentagon will submit a plan to congress today to close the detention center at guantanamo bay cuba, a promise he made when he first ran for president eight years ago. welcome to happening now. i'm syed farook jon scott. >> jenna: the president says the detention center undermines us national security as well as our values and the closing it will close the chapter in our history. so far, progress hasn't gone along with the president on his idea to close gitmo and lawmakers are already reacting. we have some of that for you. 90 one prisoners left at the base. about half considered too dangerous to release sothe queson