Republican Presidential Candidates Debate FOX News March 3, 2016 6:00pm-8:01pm PST
no idea what's going o4 happen. that's how interesting it's going to be be. see you then. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [cheers and applause] >> good evening. and welcome to the fabulous fox theater in downtown detroit. the site of the 11th republican presidential debate of the 20 16 campaign. i'm megyn kelly, along with my co-moderators bret baier and chris wallace. >> 59 republican delegates are at stake here in the state of michigan during next tuesday's republican primary. the biggest prize out of four states holding contests that day. for tonight's debate we are partnering with facebook. the conversation about this election has been intense, as the crowd is here. [chanting] >> january 1st, 53 million
people in the u.s. had been talking about the election on facebook. >> tonight, there are just four candidates on the stage. their position has been determined by their standing in an average of the five most recent national polls as recognized by fox news and conducted and released by march 1st. here they are. businessman donald trump. [cheers and applause] >> texas senator ted cruz. [cheers and applause] >> florida senator marco rubio. [cheers and applause] >> and ohio governor john kasich. [cheers and applause] >> tonight's rules are simple. upmg to 60 seconds for each answer. 30 seconds for each follow-up response. and if a candidate goes over the allotted time, you will hear this. [bell] >> so pleasant. >> we have a big crowd here. and while we expect the audience to be enthusiastic and responsive at times.
and they have already been. we also expect them to it be respectful and we want the candidates to get their full time so somewhere between a library and a red wing's game. am i right? [cheers] >> let's get started. >> mr. trump, as you may have heard, the 2012 republican nominee for president mitt romney had some things to say about you today. [crowd boos] he said your domestic policy will lead to recession. he said your foreign policy will make us less safe, and then he listed what he said are your personal qualities, quoting now romney on trump, quote: the bullying, the greed, the showingño off, the is i sage misogyny, the 3rd grade tactics. he challenged you to answer with substance, not insults. how do you answer mitt romney, sir? >> well, look, he was a failed candidate.
he should have beaten president obama very easy. he failed miserably, and it was an embarrassment to everybody, including the republican party. he went away -- it looked like he went away on vacation the last month. so i don't take that. and i guess obviously he wants to be relevant. he wants to be back in the game. as far as domestic policy and trade, which is killing our country, he said free trade. and i believe in free trade, also. if you look at china and look at japan
and mexico, both at the border by the way where they are killing us, both at the border and with trade, and every other country we do business with we are getting absolutely crushed on trade. and he said free trade, i say free trade, great, but not when they are beating us socc badly. with china we are going to lose $505 billion in terms of trades. you just can't do it. mexico, $58 billion. japan, probably about -- they don't know it yet about $109 billion. every country we lose money
by the way if you look at twitter account almost immediately after the program they were disavowed again. it's amazing when i do something on twitter everybody picks it up, goes all over the place. when i did this one, nobody ever picks it up. take look at my twitter account. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> senator rubio, three weeks ago you said, qu7 l i don't do the personal attacks. primarily because it's not who i am. because i think it's beneath the office that i'm seeking but also because i don't want to embarrass my kids. but in the past week you've mocked mr. trump's tan. you've made fun of his spelling. you called him a con artist. you suggested he wet himself back stage at the last debate along with other vulgar jolts and;p jabs so what happens? >> let me say something this campaign for the last year donald trump has mocked everybody with personal attacks. he has done so to people sitting on the stage today. he has done so with people
disabled. he has done it with every candidate in this race. if there has been any candidate deserved to be attacked that way it's donald trump for the way he has treated people in the campaign. with that said, i would much prefer to have a policy debate. i hope that's what we will have here tonight. let's have a policy debate. >> we will. >> let's talk about donald trump's tragedy and my strategy and john kasich's strategy when it comes to isis and healthcare and the important issues facing this country. let's be honest about these this too. the media has given personal attacks donald trump has made incredible amount of coverage. let's start talking about the issues that matter to this country. i'm willing to do this right here right here tonight. mr. trump, your response? >> well, i also happen to call him a light weight, okay. and i have said that. so i would like to take that back. he is really not that much
of a light weight. and as far as -- and i have toãsay this, i have to say this. he hit my hands. nobody has ever hit my hands. i have never heard of this.
at those hands. are they small hands? [ laughter ] and he referred to my hands if they are small, something else must be small. i guarantee you there is no problem. i guarantee you. >> okay. moving on. >> okay, senator cruz, you say that you are the true conservative in this race. but 15 states have voted now, and you have won only four of them. you have lost repeatedly with what is supposed to be your core voter groups including evangelicals and conservatives. hasn't your brand of conservatism been rejected by an electorate that appears to be more taken with mr. trump's populist message? >> well, megyn, you know at the end of the day for the folks at home, this is not about the insults back and forth between the candidates. attacks we can throw at each other. this is the people at home who are struggling.
through seven years of barack obama, this is the single moms who are working two and three jobs, 28, 29 hours a week because their hours have been forcibly reduced because of obamacare. this is the truck drivers mechanics with calluses on their hands who have seen their wages not grow year after year after year while the cost of living goes up. this is all the young people coming out of school with student loans up to their eyeballs that aren't able to find a job. and i don't think the people of america are interested in a bunch of bickering school children. they are interested in solutions, not slogans. it's easy to say make things better, make things great. you can even print it and put it on a baseball cap. the question is do you understand the principles that made america great in the first place? as president, i will repeal every word of obamacare. i will pull back the regulators that are killing small businesses. and we will pass a simple flat tax and abolish the irs.
and that's going to do, megyn. [bell] >> small businesses are going to explode. we will see millions of high paying jobs. we will see wages going up. we will see opportunity. that's where our focus needs to be. that's where my focus is. and that is why our campaign is the only campaign that over and over again has beaten donald trump to date, and it's why we are the one campaign that going forward can and beat donald trump in this election. >> go ahead, mr. trump. >> i have heard ted say that over and over again on television, that he is the only one that can beat me. just, for the record, i have won 10. he has won 3 or 4. last week, in fact, on tuesday, i was a half a million votes higher than him. i was a million votes higher than marco. 1 million votes. that's a lot of votes. and was by far in first place. so i keep hearing that he is the only one that can beat me but he is getting beaten very, very badly.
so where doesvúú-b this come from? where does it come from? >> go ahead, senator rubio. >> i wouldkw say a couple of things. there is no doubt that donald has done well in these elections. there is no doubt about that. the numbers are there. here is what the numbers also say, two thirds of the people who cast a vote in a republican primary or caucus have volted against you. they do not wanted you to be our nominee. the reason why is because we are not going to turn over the conservative movement or the party of lincoln or reagan, for example, to someone whose positions are not conservative. to someone who last week defended planned parenthood for 30 seconds on a debate stage. to someone, flample, who has no ideas on foreign -- someone who thinks the nuclear triad is a rock band from the 1980s. time and time on issue after issue has not proven that he has the principles that outline what the conservative movement has been about and as ted said the things that made america great. america is great because of the conservative principles of limited government and free enterprise and strong national defense and our nominee needs to be someone that disandz by those things. donalds that not
demonstrated that. >> go ahead, mr. trump and then we have to go to governor kasich. >> very nice words but happens to be wrong. cnn just came out with a poll> two days ago, a national poll, excuse me, a national poll, a national poll where he is at 15%. he is at 14%, and i'm at 49%. so when he says 75%, that would mean that 80% of the people don't dig you and i'm back down to 15%. >> of all the people on the stage he performs worse than hillary clinton. >> wrong, i beat hillary clinton in many polls. i beat hillary clinton in many polls. >> if you are our nominee. >> hold on, senator. >> keep on talking. >> i beat hillary clinton. >> hold on, hold on. >> i hope you can. >> if the audience cannot understand when you are talking over each other. finish your point, mr. trump. >> i beat hillary clinton in manya÷ polls. the q poll just came out, i beat hillary clinton in a recent fox poll. i beat hillary clinton in "u.s.a. today." i beat her today in a poll in ohio.
i beat -- i'm the only one that beats hillary clinton. i -- and i have not started on hillary yet. believe me, i will start soon. i haven't even started. >> governor kasich? >> governor kasich, today you admitted that you have a narrow path to the nomination through a contested convention. today also mitt romney proposed that republicans should vote for senator rubio in florida. she should vote for you in ohio. they should vote for senator cruz in states that he can beat mr. trump to prevent mr. trump from-w getting the nomination. so, do you buy romney's blueprint and can you say tonight to your florida supporters that they should vote for senator rubio to get a contested convention? >> you know, this is so much about process. it frankly is boring to me. i would like it clear though since we are talking about polls, i beat hillary clinton by more than anybody, by 11 points. the reason it happens in -- >> in one poll. in one poll. >> the reason it happens because democrats tell me
all the time, can i get the crossover votes. you see, because throughout this campaign, i have talked about issues. i have never tried to go and get into these kind of scrums that we are seeing here on stage and people say wherever i go. you seem to be the adult on the stage. [cheers and applause] >> in terms of, you know, mitt romney is he a great guy, but he doesn't determine my strategy. the fact of the matter is i'm running for president because i worked hard to fix this country when i was in washington as the chairman of the budget committee where we had some of the most significant job growth after we balanced the budget. we had wages going up. it was very successful in ohio. our wages grow faster than the national average. we're up over 400,000 jobs. we paid down back in the old days they paid down a half a trillion dollars of the national debt. it's a formula that works. and i believe that formula will work when i return to washington as the president. and, by the way, i won't need on-the-job training
because i know) how to do all of this. and within the first 100 days i will have a plan that will pass the congress. [bell] >> because it is reasonable and i can bring both sides together. >> governor, you say this is all about process, but for voters, they need to see a path to get to the nomination if they're going to support you. on super tuesday, you finished in single digits in nine out of 11 states. so you concede that your path is through a contested convention. >> bret, i think we are all already there. the simple fact is you all wrote me off. you wrote me off before i even got to new hampshire. then when i finished second in new hampshire you wrote me off in the south. then you wrote me off in super tuesday. i split delegates in vermont with donald trump. i finished secondg.çñ in massachusetts and we won dels in virginia. guess what, it's now march madness and we are heading up north to the place, to my turf, okay? [cheers and applause] >> let me just tell you this, i will win ohio.
i'm going to move all across this country and over time as people begin to finally hear my message -- do you know what people say to me, bret, all the time? why don't they give you any time on the debate stage? why is that? now all of a sudden i'm starting to get it, what i want people to know is i know how to bring people together,ó÷ republicans and democrats. i have successfully, both at the federal. [bell] federal level and state level brought economic growth, wage growth and economic security to this country. and i want to go bang and do it -- back and do it again and keep talking about my message of bringing people together and motivating people in the neighborhoods to realize they don't need somebody from washington galloping in there are many things they can do where the strength in our country is in our neighborhoods and our families. i'm going to keep doing this. >> we want to focus now on the economy, which is one of the top issues on facebook with 6.6 million people disgusting it online. a lot of that conversation is happening here in detroit
where the unemployment rate is 10.9%. that's more than double the national average. senator rubio, you have taken to calling mr. trump a con artist who portrays himself as a hero to working people while he has really been in your words sticking it to the american workers for 40 years. but he has built a big thousands of people. question: how many jobs you have created? >> first of all, government -- first of all, chris, my point is exactly right. he has spent a career of convincing
americans that he is something that he is not in exchange for their money. now he is trying to do the same in exchange for their country. this is a fact of the. he talks about great businesses he has built. he inherited over $100 million. with that money. >> wrong. >> with that money he lost. >> mr. trump, it's not your turn, sir. >> he can start tonight by announcing that all the donald trump clotheing will no longer be made in china and mexico but be made here
in the united states. on the issue of job creation, i find this interesting. the private sector creates jobs. the jobs of those of us in public service are to put in place policies that allow the economy to grow. that's the problem with the democratic party. they think government is what creates jobs. government does not create jobs. now, the way you create jobs is you make america the easiest and the best place in the world to start a business or to expand an existing business. if you gol on my website marco rubio.com you will see a real plan to fix our tanks. [bell. [to roll back and taxes. fix obamacare. not just lines around the united states. serious proposals. >> mr. trump i would like to you respond. you have 30 seconds to respond. as part of that could you respond to his specific assertion about trump collection shows which you say some of it is made in mexico. >> this little guy has lied so much. >> here we go. >> about my record. he has lied so much about my record. [crowd booing]
>> senator rubio, why don't you let him finish. >> i will tell you this. first of all, i got a call from my sister and brother tonight, we said we had no idea dad gave you $200 billion. believe me i started off with $1 million. i built a company worth more than $10 billion. i say it not
in a bragging way but that's the kind of thinking we need. very low debt, tremendous cash flow. my financials are all -- they are all in there with the federal elections. you have seen them. everybody has seen them. i say it only because that's the kind ofñs thinking this country needs with $19 trillion in debit. believe me. specific little and quickly how soon will you move your clothing collection, the clothes that are made in china and mexico? >> they devalue their currencies -- i will do that. and by the way i have been doing it more and more. they devalue their currencies particularly china. mexico is doing a big number now also. japan is unbelievable what they're doing.
they devalue their currencies and they make it impossible for clothing makers in this country to do clothing in this country. and if you look at what's happened on seventh avenue and you look at what's happened in new york with the garment industry. so much of the clothing comes out from vietnam, china and other places. it's all because of devaluation. by the way, the transpacific, if you look at the tpp, a total disaster, which, by the way, marco is in favor of, they need -- it is a disaster for our country. [bell] >> it's trying to be approved by various people, including president obama. and i will tell you something. the biggest problem with that is they don't take into concurrence the devaluation. >> thank you, mr. trump. >> senator rubio? >> and they are killing. >> wait, senator rubio. >> the answer is he is not going to do it. and you know why? because there are plenty of clothingmakers in america. if you go on my website marco rubio.com, everything we have on there is made in america. the reason he makes it in china or mexico is because he can make more money on
it. that's why he is doing it the second point, you see what happens again if when you challenge him on a policy issue. you ask him about the economy and the first thing he does is launch an attack about some little guy thing. because he doesn't have answer. >> no, no. i have good answer. >> and he wants to be the president of the united states of america. >> i know what's happening on the economy. you don't know a thing. >> a answer the economy question. >> you haven't employed in your life one person. i have employed tens of thousands of people. you haven't employed one people. >> ever heard of trump steak or trump vodka. >> take a look at trump steaks. >> trump steaks isva gone. have you ruined these companies. >> mitt romney comes up with things totally false. now the funny thing is he didn't talk about the hundreds of really successful jobs. the buildings all over the world that have made a for did you fortune. he doesn't talk about that. >> i have a policy question for you, sir. >> let's see if he answers it. >> i will. don't worry about it, marco. don't worry about it. [cheers and applause] >> don't worry about it little marco, i will. >> let's hear big donald.
>> don't worry about it, little marco. >> gentlemen. >> you ought.
>> gentlemen, you have got to do better than this. >> this guy has a numberm@#v @@ one. [crowd booing] >> number one absentee record in the united states senate. he will doesn't show up to vote. >> proposed tax cut can. >> that's why the people in florida do not like him. >> mr. trump, your proposed tax cut would add $10 trillion to the nation's debt over 10 years. even if the economy grows the way that you say it will. make up for a good deal of that, you say, by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse. >> correct. >> like what, hand please be specific. >> department of education. we're cutting common core. we're getting rid of common core. we're bringing education locally. department of environmental protection. we are going to get rid are of it in almost every form. we're going to have little tidbits left but we're going to take a tremendous amount out. we have various other things. if you look at the irs.
if you look at every single agency, we can cut it down and i mean really cut it down and save. the waste, fraud, and abuse is massive. larry cudlow. great guy, everybody respects him. says my plan for taxes and tax cutting is the best by far of everybody. >> but mr. trump, mr. trump, your numbers don't add up. please put up full screen number four. the education department, you talk aboutvn÷ cutting. the total budget for the education department is $78 billion. and that includes pell grants for low income students and aid to states for specialr education. i assume you wouldn't cut those things. the entire budget for the e.p.a., the environmental protection agency, $8 billion. >> okay. >> the deficit this year is $544 billion. that's more than a half trillion dollars. your numbers don't
add up, sir. >> let me explain something. because of the fact that the pharmaceutical companies,
because of the fact that the pharmaceutical companies are not mandate to do bid properly, they have hundreds of billions of dollars in waste. we don't bid properly. we don't have proper bidding procedures. the reason we don't is because they take care of all of the senators, all of
the congressman, and they don't bid. they don't out to bid. >> mr. trump. >> excuse me. you are talking about hundreds of billions of dollars. >> no you are not. >> if we went out to the proper bid. >> of course you are. >> let's put up full screen number 2. [cheers and applause] you say that medicare could save $300 billion a year negotiating lower drug prices. but medicare total only spends $78 billion a year on drugs. sir, that's the facts. you are talking about saving more money on medicare -- >> -- i'm saying saving through negotiation throughout the economy you will save $300 million. >> that doesn't cut the federal deficit. >> of course it is. we are going to buy things
for less money. of course it is. >> that's more money that -- the only drugs we pay for for is through medicare. >> i'm not only talking about drugs i'm talking about other things. we will save $300 billion a year if we properly negotiate. we don't do that we don't negotiate. we don't negotiao[m% anything. >> can i? >> no. i promise i will get to you in a moment, sir. senator cruz, one of centerpieces of your campaign, you mentioned it tonight, is that you will abolish the irs. question now, who will hp &c@ who will oversee to make taxes that they rightfully owe and the various tax deductions and tax credits that you still want? >> so my simple flat tax i have rolled out in precise detail how it will where every american can fill out if you want to actually see the postcard, see all the details you can find them on our website it's ted
cruz.org. when he we get rid of all the corporate welfare, all the subsidies, all the carveouts in the irs code, it dramatically simplifies it. under obama, the irs has become so corrupt and so politicized we need to abolish it all together. now, at the end of that there will still be an office in the treasury department to receive the postcards but it will be dramatically simpler. let me go back to this exchange that was going on inez?rk between all of the insults, let me point out the specificity that was lacking. it's very easy to say let's cut waste, fraud, and abuse. i have rolled out a detailed plan to cut $500 billion in federal spending, specifying exactly what i would cut. it's easy to say it but one of the great disconnects to all the people, all of thegd voters, i understand the folks who are supporting donald right now, you are angry. you are angry at washington and he uses angry rhetoric. [ laughter ] but for 40 years, donald has
been part of the corruption in washington that you are angry about. and you are not going to stop the corruption in washington by supporting someone who has supported liberal democrats for four decades from jimmy carter to john kerry to hillary clinton. you're not going to stop the corruption. [bell] >> and cronyism by supporting someone who has used government power for private gain. instead, we need a president who stands with the american people. >> governor kasich, i promise i will get to you, you do get 30 seconds to respond, mr. trump. >> all of a sudden isible i hear for four years that i have been involved in washington. i have been supporting people for many years. and these people hate been politicians and they have been on both sides, democrats,m÷ republicans, liberals, conservatives. i have supported everybody. because, until recently, i wasn't a politician, and i hope maybe you don't all consider me a politician right now. i hate the term politician. but i have been supporting
politicians. a recent article somewhere said donald trump is a world class businessman who goes out and he does get along with everybody. i've supported democrats, and i've supported republicans. [bell] >> and as a businessman i owe that to my company, my family, to my workers, to everybody to get along. part of the problem we have in áhington, chris, it's total gridlock. nobody gets along. we need people to get along. we need to be able to get things done. >> governor kasich, democrats, as you know, will make income inequality a big issue in the general election. you support raising the minimum raise, although you say not to the $15 an hour that democrats are talking about. mr. trump opposes any increase because he says it will price american workers out of the world market. is he wrong about that? no increase in the minimum wage? >> wait a minute, first of all, i didn't say i was for an increase in the federal minimum wage. i said in we> you did talk about states
doing it. >> if states want to do it it, they ought to sit down with business people and the lawmakers and figure out what will work. hold on a second here with everything else. i'm the only person on this stage who actually was the chief architect of balancing the federal budget. it's not a theory for me. it's not some -- you have to know how to put everything together. and you know i spent 10 years of my life to get there, and i did not do that because i'm worshiping at some balanced budget shrine. the reason i did it is when you have common sense regulations, lower taxes on individuals and businesses, and you have a fiscal plan that makes sense, the job creators will expand employment. and what happenedwá÷ when i was there, the jobs were exploding. bill clinton has tried to take credit for it. when i went to ohio, we are up 400,000 jobs. it's the same formula. but it isn't easy. i fought the entire washington establishment and won because when you balance the budget, you must effect every single thing.
everything in the federal government specifically. you cannot get there with theories or broad statements and you have to be willing to take the heat. in fact, i fought a republican president who i thought was not offering constructive proposals to [bell] >> so, when we talk about all of this, there is one person on this stage and one person who has been a candidate for president in either party that restored economic strength, growth, a balanced budget, paid down debt, cut taxes, the things that people in this country want. no theories. reality. >> thank you, governor. [cheers and applause] >> all right, let's talk immigration for a little bit. senator cruz, let's start with you. you have repeatedly touted how you have stood should to shoulder with senator jeff sessions to fight illegal immigration and amnesty. but senator sessions just endorsed donald trump. if voters want jeff sessions' style immigration policies, isn't their choice rather clear? >> yes, their choice is very clear. if you look to the actual
mentioned a moment ago that he was just doing business when he was writing checks to liberal democrats. but that's not, in fact, the checks he was writing. we can all understand if you write a check to a city commission because you are looking for a zoning waiver on building a building. that may be corrupt but you could understand real estate developers doing that that's not what donald trump did. donald trump supported jimmy carter over ronald reagan. donald supported john kerry over george bush. if you don't like obamacare, donald trump funded harry reid and nancy pelosi taking over congress to pass obamacare. on immigration, if you don't like amnesty, if you don't like the gang of 8, donald trump funded five of the eight members of the gang of eight. $50,000. and let's talk about this election. the choice republican primary voters are making is who is best prepared to stand up to hillary clinton and beat hillary clinton, donald trump has written checks to hillary clinton not once, not twice, not three times, 10 times and
four of those checks were not to her senate campaign, it wasn't that she was the new york senator and it was the cost. [bell] of doing business, it was to her presidential campaign. donald trump in 2008 wrote four checks to elect hillary clinton as president, so i would like to ask donald why did you write checks to hillary clinton to be president in 2008? it wasn't for business, and how you can stand on a debate stage now with her and say you don't think she should be president? >> actually, it was for business. it was. i pride myself including outside of the united states. i'm doing almost 120 deals outside of the united states. which i hope to be able to stop very soon and let my children handle it we are doing many deals outside of the united states. i support politicians. in 2008 i supported hillary clinton. i supported many other people, by the way. that was because of the fact that i'm in business. did i support very heavily ronald reagan. i also supported george bush, by the way. >> all right, mr. trump. >> what would you say on
this debate stage when you wrote her ao check in 2008, wrote her four check in 2008. >> let me tell you something, ted, the last person that hillary hillary clin wants to face is trump. >> with all due respect we have questions. >> that, i can tell you. >> no, no, no. hold on. we can do more of this later. mr. trump, hi. >> hello nice to be with you megyn. >> you are looking well. >> and so are you. [ laughter ] >> back in january, you gave an off-the-record interview to the "new york times." it was apparently audio taped. now recent report in buzz feed citing sources at the "times" reports in that it comes to immigration policy specifically with tropic your prom mills to deport the 11 million people that are now living here illegally. you may have suggested that you may have expressed some flexibility when it comes to the size of the wall that you want to build. but did you tell them, specifically, that you are flexible when it comes to your deportation plan?
>> i don't knowar exactly what -- when you talk about off-the-record. first of all, buzz feed, they were the ones that said under no circumstances will i run for president. and were they wrong. a lot of people said that. then, did i have a meeting with the editorial board of the "new york times," a very nice meeting. many of those things were off the record. i think at their suggestion and my suggestion. and i think being off the record is a very important thing. i think it's a very, very powerful thing. i will say this. these three gentlemen have gone off the record many times with reporters and i think they want to honor it and i would always honor that. i will say though, in terms of immigration and almost anything else, there always has to be some, you know, tug and pull and deal. you know, when i watch ted stand on the senate floor, i had great respect for what he did. he stood there for a day and a half or something. in the meantime, what came of it? nothing. you have to be able to have some f some negotiation. now, sometimes you ask for more than you want and you
negotiate down to the point. i may have discussed something like that with the "new york times," but÷ would never release off-the-record conversations. i don't think it's fair, frankly, to do that to anybody. >> now flexible are you on this issue? >> not very flexible. no, not very flexible. i give the example, i'm going to build a wall. i'm the one that wants the wall. i'm the one that can build the wall. it's going to get built. by the way, mexico is going to pay for the wall. can i tell you that mexico is going to pay for the wall. but, and i used an example. and this isn't necessarily what was said but whatever was said, the wall is 50 feet high. is it going to be 45 feet? that could very well be. he wants it to be higher. that could very well be. there is always give and take. there is always negotiation. and the best negative yartd that knows what he is doing will make a great deal. but we need give and take iny government. if you don't have give and take,. [bell] >> you are never going to agree on anything.
>> senator rubio, you not only supported the failed immigration reform effort through the gang of eight, but you are still on record as favoring an eventual path to citizenship for those who are here illegally and in addition you favored instate television for florida illegal immigrants. have you been hitting mr. trump hard on this flexibility discussion with the "new york times." but his supporters might say at least his opening stance was tough. >> first of all, let me say on the issue of the off-the-record, that's not up to the "new york times." that's up to you, donald. if tonight you tell the "new york times" to release the audio, they will do it and we can exactly see what your true views are on immigration. because it is a major issue. in your campaign that you have made a center issue. now, as far as my record on it is concerned, i absolutely want to solve this issue. i did the best we could in the senate that was controlled by liberal democrats and harry reid in the hopes that the house, made up of conservatives would take it up and make it even stronger. i said that repeatedly at the time. i'm not just saying that now. i said it throughout that process. we do need to do with this
issue. when i'm president it will not be dealt with the way it was done in the senate. it will be done first and foremost by bringing illegal immigration under control and proving it to the american people and only after that is done can anything else happen. and it will be something the american people support. we'll see what they are willing to support. it's not going to be an executive order and we're not going to ram it counsel their throat. >> there trump, we will let respond, will you release the tapes? will you authorize of the "new york times" to release the tapes. >> i understand marco he is talking about a little give and take and negotiation. you know what? that's okay. that's not the worst thing in the world. there is nothing wrong with that i happen to be much stronger on illegal immigration. sheriff joe arpaio endorses me. believe me if he endorses me i am the strongest from arizona. i thought what he said is okay. we may differ on the degree. what he said to me is okay. >> will you release the tapes? >> no. i would not do that i don't think -- i have too much respect -- if i deal with you off the record. if i deal with bret or chris
off the record, i have too much respect for that process to say just release everything. i would not do that. >> okay. stand by. we're going to continue this right after the break. with megyn on immigration and questions on other issues including the war on terror. the fox news republican presidential debate live from detroit continues after a quick break. ♪ ♪ i think it landed last tuesday. one second it's there. then, woosh, it's gone.
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skilled workers would, quote, accept american workers, however at the cnbc debate you spoke in favor of these visas, what is it. >> i'm changing. we need highly skilled people in this country. if we can't do it, we will get them in. and we do need in silicon valley we absolute6oñ have to have. so we do need highly skilled. one of the biggest problems we have people will go to the best colleges, they will go to harvard, to stanton, to wharton, as soon as they are finished they get shoved out. they want to stay in this country. they want to stay here desperately. they are not able to stay here. for that purpose, we absolutely have to be able to keep the brain power in this country. >> you are abandoning the position on your website. >> i'm changing it and i'm softening the position because we have to have talented people in this country. >> and you are not releasing the discussion with the "new york times" behind closed doors? >> that's correct. >> which will have some asking whether on your immigration policies you are really just playing to people's fantasies which is a tactic you praised in your
book "the art of the deal." >> i'm not playing to anybody's fantasies. i'm playing to the fact that our country is in trouble. we have a tremendous problem with crime. the border is a disaster. it's like a piece of swiss cheese, and we're going to stop it. we're going to it be stopping people from coming into our country illegally. we're going to stop it. [cheers and applause] >> senator cruz, not long ago you proposed quintupletting. after running for president youhy reversed yourself citing the program had been abused. the abuse had been around before your 180. it was so bad a group of senators called for investigation and you declined to join them. isn't it a good thing that the american public didn't trust ted on that one? >> the abuse of the h 1 b program has been rampant and in the face of that h 1 b abuse i have proposed and promised as president that i will impose 180 day moratorium on the h 1 b program to implement a comprehensive investigation and audit because you have
got u.s. companies that are firing american workers, bringing in foreign workers, and forcing them to train their replacements. and i would note that is not dissimilar to what we discovered at the last debate concerning the hotel that donald owns down in florida. down in florida that hotel has brought in hundreds of foreign workers. and afterwards it was really striking. i watched a cnn interview donald did where he explained he said well, the probable is you can't find americans who are qualified ©[!= want to work as waiters or waitresses. let me ask the people here, how many people here have worked as a waiter or waitress? [cheers and applause] millions across this country. that is an astonishing statement. marco's dad started as bartender. my dad started washing dishes and, yet, do you know how many americans wanted those jobs? [bell. in. [. >> roughly 300 applied. donald hired 17. that's why this "new york times" tape is so troubling because what's been reports is that donald told the editorial board of the "new
york times" what i'm saying on imentd congratulation i don't believe. i'm not going to build a wall. i'm not going to deport people. this is all just rhetoric for the voters. now, if he didn't say that he has an easy solution, simply release the tape. but for everyone at home who is mad at politicians who lied to us, donald's record right now, as he is standing here. >> okay. >> his records right now is one of repeatedly hiring illegal aliens. >> your time is up, sir. go a)xáy mr. trump. >> first of all a. i have had tens of thousands of people working for me. most of which almost 97, 98% of the people i'm proud of. you have this club mar-a-lago club has a very short season. it's called the season. and it goes from november till march. it's a few months, five months at the most. people don't want a short-term job. they don't want. so we will bring people in and we will send the people
out. all done legally, all done with the process approved by government, 100 percent approved. weave bring people in, we bring them out. when we can, we hire people from palm beach or west palm beach. we bring people in, we bring them out. we want to hire as many americans as we can but they don't want part-time, very short part-time jobs. >> understood. thank you. >> that's not accurate. i'm sorry, megyn, that's not accurate there were at least 300 americans applied last year none of them were7,b2x hired. >> wrong, wrong. >> this is why he hires them h 2 b. when you bring them in someone from abroad on visas they can't go work for anybody else. they either work for you or go back home. you basically have them captive. don't have to worry about competing higher wages with another hotel down the street. from abroad. you argue you are here to fight on behalf of the american worker, when you have chances to help the american workers you are making your clothes overseas and hiring your workers from overseas. >> go ahead, sir.
[cheers and applause] >> the other hotels during the season they do the same thing. they take in a lot of people because you can't get them. can't get a lot of people. long-term employees we don't do that but short-term employees we have no choice to do it and other hotels in that very, very hot area it is a very hot area. it's very, very hard to get people. other hotels do the exact same thing. just so you understand, just again, this is a legal process. this is a procedure. it's part of the law. [bell] >> i take advantage of that there is nothing wrong with it. we have no choice. >> donald, you can resolve this issue very quickly by simply releasing the "new york times" tape. because,6o listen, maybe it's right -- >> -- this wasn't on the subject. >> misleading the american people. >> this was not on the subject. >> if you didn't tell them that the tapes will prove you are innocent. if, in fact, you went to manhattan and said i'm lying to the american people, then the voters have a right to know. >> no, no. you are the lying guy up here. you are the one. >> release the tapes. >> you are the one. >> release the tapes.
what are you hiding in the tapes? >> excuse me, i have given my answer, lying ted. >> let's leave it at that. we have more to get to. >> gentlemen, the next topic to discuss is terrorism. senator rubio, isis is a big topic of conversation on facebook. we have a map that shows the conservation about isis around the country. you propose sending a larger number of american ground troops to help defeat isis in syria and iraq. but military commanders say the biggest isis threat in europe in particular now is coming from libya, not syria. so just to be clear, if you are for putting>) more u.s. ground troops in iraq and syria, are you also ready to send u.s. ground troops on the ground in libya? >> brit, what i have argued from the very beginning is in order to defeat isis you must deny them operating spaces. this is how isis or any group can grow. it's how al qaeda was able to carry out 9/11 al gave them operating space in
afghanistan. i have been warning about the libyan presence for the better part of two years. so they need to be targeted wherever they have an operating space. they do need to be defeated on the ground by a ground force made up primarily of sunni arabs themselves. this is a radical sunni movement. they can only be defeated if they're driven out and territory held by sunni arabs it. it will require a specific snub of special american operators increase in air strikes. and that will include, if necessary, operating spaces in libya which, in fact, they are using to project into the sinai against egypt and ultimately into europe as well. >> governor kasich, could you put ground troops in libya? >> first of all, to be for 18 years on the defense committee, more than anybody on this stage, but, secondly, i was called into the pentagon after 9/11 to help secretary rumsfeld with some of his difficulties. i will say, look, let me tell you what happened with libyaened a i pointed out in the last debate, hillary to depose mom muammar
qaddafi. he was working with us, he was cooperating with us he denuclearized. they pushed him out and now we havev-a fertile ground for isis. few cities on the coast. most of libya is desert. the fact of the matter is we absolutely have to be and not just with special forces, i mean, that's not going to work. come on, you have got to go back to the invasion when we pushed saddam hussein out of kuwait. we have to be there on the ground in significant numbers. we do have to include our muslim-arab friends to work with us on that. and we have to be in the air. it should be a broad coalition made up of the kinds of people that were involved when we defeated is saddam. you have to be on the air and on the ground iraq. some point we have to deal with libya. i'm very concerned with isis getting their hands on the oil fields and libya being able to fund their operation. [bell] >> the fact is cool, calm, deliberate, effective, take
care of the job and then come home. that's what we need to do with our military foreign policy. [cheers and applause] >> mr. trump, just yesterday almost 100 foreign policy polic experts signed on to an open letter refusing to support you, saying you're embracing expansive use of torture as inexcusable. general michael hayden, nsa director, other experts have said when you asked the u.s. military to carry out some of your campaign promises, specifically targeting terrorists' families and also the use of interrogation methods more extreme than waterboarding, the military will refuse because they've been trained to turn down and refuse illegal orders. so what would you do, as commander in chief, if the u.s. military refused to carry out those orders? >> they won't refuse. they're not going to refuse me. believe me. they're illegal. you look at the middle east. they're chopping off heads. they're chopping off the heads
of christians and anybody else that happens to be in the way. they're drowning people in steel cages and now we're talking about waterboarding. this really started with ted, a question was asked of ted last -- two debates ago about waterboarding. and ted was, you know, having a hard time with that question, to be totally honest with you. they then came to me, what do you think of waterboarding? i said it's fine. if we want to go stronger, i'd go stronger estronger, too. frankly, that's the way i feel. can you imagine these people, these animals over in the middle east, that chop off heads sitting around talking and seeing that we're having a hard problem with waterboarding? we should go for waterboarding and tougher than waterboarding. >> targeting terrorist families? >> and -- and -- i'm a leader, i've always been a leader. i've never had any problem leading people. if i say do it, they're going to do it. that's what leadership is all about. >> even targeting terrorist families? >> well, look, when a family
the world trade center, a man flies into the world trade center and his family gets sent back to where know where they and i think went, by the way, it wasn't iraq, but they went back to a certain territory, they knew what was happening. the wife knew exactly what was happening. they left two days early with respect to the world trade center and they went back to where they went and they watched their husband on television flying into the world trade center, flying into the pentagon, and probably trying to fly into the white house, except we had some very, very brave souls on that third plane. all right? >> senator cruz -- >> i have no problem with it. >> senator cruz? >> bret, i think the american people understand that yelling and cursing at people doesn't make you a tough guy. we need a commander in chief that, number one, will rebuild the military just like ronald reagan did in 1981 coming out of the weak jimmy carter administration. he passed tax reform and regulatory reform. the economy took off.
it generated millions in high-paying jobs, trillions in new revenue. he rebuilt the military. bankrupted the soviet union. and won the cold war. as president, i will do the exact same thing with radical islamic terrorism. we will rebuild this military so that it remains the mightiest fighting force on the face of the planet. and then when i am commander in chief, every militant on the face of the earth will understand that if they go and join isis, if they wage jihad against the united states of america, they are signing their death warrant. >> senator cruz, in 2013, you said you were open -- you were open to the possibility that edward snowden had performed a considerable public service. you said back then. in revealing certain aspects of the nsa procedures. many of your colleagues in the senate including senator rubio called him a traitor. it took you until january of this year to call him a traitor and say he should be tried for treason. why the change of heart? and why did it take you so long?
>> well, bret, as someone who spent much of his life in law enforcement, i believe you should start with the facts and evidence first before ending up with the verdict. when the news first broke of the united states government engaging in massive surveillance on american citizens, that was a very troubling development and it's why the united states congress acted to correct it. now, at the same time, i said in that initial statement that if the evidence indicated that edward snowden violated the law, he should be prosecuted for violating the law and, indeed, since then the evidence is clear that not only does snowden violate the law, but it appears he committed treason, treason is defined under the constitution as giving aid and comfort to the enemies of america and what snowden did made it easier for terrorists to avoid detection and snowden's comments afterwards and his behavior afterwards, he fled to russia, fled to china. his conduct afterwards indicates he was not a whistleblower but instead he was undermining the ability to defend this country. but we need a president who isn't rash, who doesn't just pop
off at -- waits to see what the facts are and acts to defend this country. >> mr. trump, you repeatedly deflected calls for specific national security or defense policy plans with the claim that you'll ask the best people when you become president, and take their advice. so who are the best people? can you reveal two or three names that you trust for national security? >> i think richard haas is excellent. i have a lot of respect for him. i think general kaine is excellent. i like colonel jacobs very much. i see him. i know him. i have many people i think are really excellent but in the end it's going to be my decision. when you just asked the question about snowden, i will tell you right from the beginning, i said he was a spy and we should get him back. and if russia respected our country, they would have sent him back immediately, but he was a spy. it didn't take me a long time to figure that one out. believe me.
but i would get the best people, people that i'd be comfortable with and we will do the right thing. >> bret, it's very interesting to note, i think it's for the good of the record here that they took a survey of foreign policy magazines, 700 foreign policy experts, who would be the best person to conduct foreign policy of all the candidates in the race? i received 55% of the vote. jeb bush received 30% of the vote. and everybody else none of them made double digits. and that's because you have to have the experience. you know, we hear about ronald reagan rebuilding the military. i was there when ronald reagan rebuilt the military. i worked with him. i was there when ronald reagan rebuilt the economy. i was there. i worked with him. i knew ronald reagan. and i'll leave it right there with what comes after that. you can figure that one out. >> governor kasich, thank you. >> we're going to have more questions from the candidates right after this break and during the commercial break, join us for a facebook live on the fox news facebook page and tell us what you think about tonight's debate in comment
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welcome back to the historic fox theater in downtown detroit. and the republican presidential debate. let's get right back to the questions. >> mr. trump, one of the things people love about you is they believe you tell it like it is. time and time again in this campaign, you've actually told the voters one thing only to reverse yourself within weeks or even sometimes days. we've teed up just three examples in a videotape similar to those we used with senator rubio and senator cruz in the last debate. the first is on whether the war in afghanistan was a mistake. watch. >> what about afghanistan, do
you believe that american boots should stay on the ground in afghanistan to stabilize the situation? >> we made a terrible mistake getting involved there in the first place. that thing will collapse about two seconds after they leave. just as i said that iraq was going to collapse after we leave. >> about afghanistan, you said we made a terrible mistake getting involved there in the first place. >> we made a mistake going into iraq. i've never said we made a mistake -- >> our question was about afghanistan. >> i never said that. okay. wouldn't matter. i never said it. >> next, on whether we should accept -- >> should i respond to that first? >> two more then you'll have the floor. next on whether we should accept -- >> you'll be here a long time. >> on whether we should accept the syrian refugees. >> do you object to migrants who are getting out of the middle east and north africa? do you object to them coming to the usa? >> i hate the concept of it but on a humanitarian basis with what's happening, you have to. it's living in hell in syria, no question about it, they're living in hell. >> are you saying absolutely
people from syria, the middle east, should we allow any of them into this country? >> look, from a humanitarian standpoint, i'd love to help but we have our own problems. we have so many problems that we have to solve. >> most recently, on whether president george w. bush lied to get us into the iraq war. >> they lied. they said there were weapons of mass destruction, there were none, and they knew there were none. i don't know if he lied or not, he could have lied. maybe he did. maybe he didn't. i guess you'd have to ask him. >> and there are many other examples. how is any of this telling it like it is? >> on afghanistan, i did mean iraq. i think you have to stay in afghanistan for a while because of the fact you're right next to
pakistan which has nuclear weapons and we have to protect that. nuclear weapons change the game. and i was always against going into iraq. in fact, believe me, i was always against it. there was some cases where i sort of -- in one interview with a great friend of mine, and yours, howard stern, said that -- said that -- i said very
meekly, long before we went in, i said very meekly, well, maybe, maybe, i don't know. by the time it got to that point, i was always against iraq, but afghanistan, i felt. in that one if you notice, i corrected it the second day. okay? second question? >> there are several examples -- >> no, no. >> -- afghanistan being a mistake. within one day you reversed yourself on syrian refugees. >> let me explain that. you're right. let me explain. first time the question had been put to me, it was very early on. the migration had just started. and i had heard that the number was a very, very small number. by the second day, two or three days later, i heard the number was going to be thousands and thousands of people. you know, when they originally heard about it, they were talking about bridnging very, very small numbers in and i said begrudgingly, i guess maybe that's okay. it was not like, let's bring them in. i think we should build a safe zone. what we should be doing is building safe zones so they can stay in their own country and not go all over and at least
this way we're not going to have the problem. that's what we have to do. because i fully understand what you're asking, when i first heard the question, first time the question was asked to me, first time i really had known about the question, the migration had just started. i was very much, like, okay, by the time i went back and studied it and they were talking about bringing thousands and thousands, i changed my tune. and i don't think there's anything wrong with that. >> but the point i'm going for is you change your tune on so many things, and that has some people saying, what is his core? >> megyn, i have a very strong core. i have a very strong core. [ applause ] but i've never seen a successful person who wasn't flexible, who didn't have a certain degree of flexibility. you have to have a certain degree of flexibility. you can't, for instance, let's say on the second question, you can't say, it's okay, and then you find out it's not okay and you don't want to do anything. you have to be flexible because you learn. before i knew the question was
asked by bill, and the next day, or a couple of days later the question was asked by, you know -- i was asked by a number of people, actually. i was asked by sean, but i was asked by a number of people. but by that time, the number had increa increased significantly. >> sean was the next day after bill. >> the next day. i had learned. nobody ever asked me the question. this was brand new. i really mean it, you have to show a degree of flexibility. if you're going to be one way and it's wrong, the rest of your life you have to go in the wrong direction because you don't want to change? >> megyn, i -- >> go ahead, governor. >> i did 200 meetings in new hampshire. i don't know how many in michigan now. in these town halls, people come in and they're very emotional meetings. you know what they really want to know? if somebody tells them something, can they believe it? and the reason why people are so upset in this country is because politicians all the time tell them what they want to hear and they go to washington, or they
go to the state capital, wherever, and they don't deliver on those promises. you know, when i ran for governor of ohio, i said not only would we balance the budget, but we would cut taxes. people said, it can't be done. i wouldn't are sahave said it i didn't believe it. we cut taxes in ohio more than any governor in the country, $5 billion worth of tax cuts. we're now running a surplus in ohio. you see, what's getting in the hearts and souls of people is they want change and they keep putting outsiders in to bring about the change then the change doesn't come, then they put more outsiders in because we're putting people in that don't understand compromise, they don't understand policy, and people are getting more and more frustrated with the system which is why we must pick somebody that has a record of achievement. not just talk. >> okay. >> not just talk. but a record of achievement. that's how we'll restore flexibility. >> go ahead. >> there's a difference between flexibility and telling people whatever you think you need to say to get them to do what you want them to do. >> that's right. >> that's what donald has done
throughout his career. that's why trump university is so relevant here. i saw this video last week. he's sitting in front of a camera saying we're going to hire the best people, i'm going to hand pick them and they're going to be hand picked instructors, the best instructors in the world. one of them, by the way, a manager at a buffalo wild wings. that's who they hire to do this. people borrowed money and signed up for this fake university. these
people owe all of this money now and got nothing in return for it. you were willing to say whatever you had to say to get them to give you their money. >> we'll find out -- by the way, just so you understand -- this is a case that could have settled very easily but i don't settle cases very easily when i'm right. 98% approval rating, an "a" from the better business bureau, 98% -- >> that's false. >> we have an "a" from the better business bureau. people like it. we have many, many people that will be witnesses, again, i don't settle cases. i don't do it. that's why i don't get sued very
often because i don't settle unlike a lot of other people. we have a situation where we will win in court. many of the people that are witnesses did tremendously well and made a lot of money by taking -- >> go ahead. >> you're going to see. >> it's a "d" minus. >> no, no, before they had the information -- >> hold on. >> marcorubio.com -- >> senator rubio, stand by. let him finish his point. >> it is right now an "a." once they had the information, it got switched. the only reason it was a "d" was because we didn't care, we didn't give them the information. when they got the information, it became an "a." >> with respect -- wait, with respect we went back and looked at this. >> yes. >> the rating from the better business bureau was a "d" minus, the last publicly available rating. in 2010. it was the result of a number of complaints. >> it was elevated to an "a." >> that's never been publicly released. >> i can give it to you. i will give it to you. >> let's bring the viewers up to
speed. >> it was elevated to an "a." >> let me set the record then you guys can have at it. trump university, a business that you started, and it was marketed to many people and now there is a class action of over 5,000 plaintiffs against you, mr. trump. >> right. >> it involves veterans, it involves teachers and it involves so-called middle guy, working class, lower working class, middle class who say they were fleeced, who say it was a scam. the classes are certified and in that case, you countersued the lead plaintiff. alleging you were being defamed. that case was thrown out -- >> the lead plaintiff is now getting out of the case because it's so bad for her. >> but what happened was -- >> excuse me. the lead plaintiff signed a letter saying how great it was and is on tape saying how great it was. >> okay. stand by. what happened in that case was you countersued her. the court threw out your countersuit, made you pay legal fees of hers. you made the same argument about 98% of the people being happy
with trump university and that woman in particular signing a survey saying she liked it while someone was standing over her shoulder. >> she's trying to get out of the case. >> stand by. this is what the court of appeals found. they said that the plaintiffs against you are like the madoff victims. >> give me a break. >> what the court of appeals said. >> give me a break. >> they found victims of con artists sing the praises of their victimizers until they realize they have been fleeced. >> let's see what happens in court. this is a civil case. very easy to settle. could settle it now. very easy to have settled. let's see what happens at the end of a couple years when this case is over, okay? >> it's been going for five years. >> been going for a long time. >> go ahead. >> i spoke to one of the victims yesterday. >> one. >> there's several. obviously there are so many, i can't talk to them every day. i spoke to one of them. hay told me exactly what happened. they signed up for this course, they believe mr. trump was this fantastic businessman, donald is
going to teach them the tricks of the trade. they signed up. paid $15,000. asked for additional money for the course. if they wanted the real secrets of success, they had to pay more money so they did. you know what they got in the courses? stuff you can pull off zillow. when they realized what a scam it was, they asked for their money back and refused to give their money back. >> i gave many people their money back. >> why didn't you give the money back to everybody -- >> okay, senator rubio, let him answer. let him answer. go ahead, mr. trump. >> we will see who's right at the end of a few years. almost all of the people, many, many people signed what's called the report at the end, did you like the course, how did you like it? almost all of them said it was terrific, okay? with letters, with this. some of them are on tape saying it was terrific. let's see what happens at the end of three years. >> with respect, mr. trump, 1/3 of the plaintiffs in that case demanded refunds. it's not the case that 98% -- >> i gave refunds to people because if they asked for refunds in a certain period of time, we gave refunds to people. >> okay. >> let's see what happens at the end of three years.
>> megyn -- >> let's see who's right. >> still pending litigation. go ahead, senator. >> it's called pending litigation. >> senator rubio then senator cruz. >> he's trying to do to the american voter what he did for the people that signed up for this course. he's making promises he has no intention of keeping and it won't just be $36,000 that they lose, it's our country that's at stake here. the future of the united states and the most important election in a generation and he's trying to con people into giving them their vote just like he conned these people into giving him their money. >> let me tell you the real con artist. excuse me. excuse me. the real con artist is senator marco rubio who was elected in florida and who has the worst voting record in the united states senate. he doesn't go to vote. he's absent. he doesn't go. now, the people of florida can't stand him. he couldn't get elected dogcatcher. the people of florida -- the people of florida, and by the way, i know he's going to spend $25 million on ads. without that he wouldn't have a chance. he's 20 points south.
the people in florida wouldn't elect him dogcatcher. couldn't get any -- he's right now 21 points down to me. and, you know -- >> okay. >> again, there will be a lot of advertising. it's the only thing that might save him. i doubt it. >> i'm coming to you next. go ahead. >> he scammed the people of florida. he doesn't vote. he doesn't -- >> let him respond. >> doesn't vote in the u.s. senate -- >> there's no response -- >> he scammed people. he defrauded the people of florida. >> with respect you made that point. go ahead. >> there's no -- as you can see in his answer, it's always the same thing. >> you defrauded the people -- >> he's defrauding people out of things. not just, by the way, on the issue of trump university. he had another development in mexico that he had nothing to do with except his name on the building. people put money into that. they lost their money. >> licensing. >> yeah, licensing. you told them you owned the building. gave him their money. time and again -- >> stand by. i'll come back to you. senator cruz wants to weigh in. go ahead. >> megyn, let me ask the voters
at home, is this the debate you want playing out in the general election? the stakes in this election are too high. for seven years, millions of american, we've been struggling, wages have been stagnating, people are hurting. our constitutional rights are under assault. and if we nominate donald, we're going to spend the spring, the fall, and the summer with the republican nominee facing a fraud trial. >> oh, stop it. >> with hillary clinton saying why did you give my campaign and my foundation $100,000? >> it's a minor -- >> with hillary clinton pointing out he supported her four times in her presidential race. >> it's a minor civil case. >> donald, learn not to interrupt. it's not complicated. count to ten, donald. count to ten. >> give me a break. >> count to ten. [ applause ] the stakes are too high and if you are one of the 65% to 70% of republicans who recognize that nominating donald would be a disaster, then i ask you to come join us. if you're supporting other candidates, come join us.
we welcome you to our team because we've demonstrated not once, not twice, not three times, but five separate times we have beat donald and if you don't want him to be the nominee, then i ask you to stand with us as a broad coalition of people who believe in the constitution, believe in freedom, and want to turn this country around. [ cheers and applause ] >> go ahead, mr. trump. >> i don't believe these politicians. all talk, no action. i'm standing here listening to -- i'm hearing him say about a percentage. cnn, he gets 15, that means 85% based on what you're saying of the people don't dig you, number one, number one. is that a correct statement? how do you -- are you at 15% in the new cnn poll? do you believe in cnn? i mean, i know we're at fox. but cnn -- >> i'll respond. >> cnn spent a lot of money on a poll, just came out. i'm at 49%. he's at 15%. tells me about 65% of the people, it's not 65% of the people. if you go by that, 85% of the
people. then he goes, we have five. excuse me, i won ten. i won ten states. if you listen to him, it's like, i won ten states. everybody knows that on super tuesday, trump was the winner. there wasn't one person that didn't say that. even the two people on your left and right said we did a great job. so how does he take -- how does he take five and say it's better than ten? i am by far the leader. if you listen to a politician, he'll try to convince you otherwise. >> senator cruz, go. >> donald lives by the polls every day. he tweets -- >> no, i don't. >> he's told us to look to the cnn poll. that's a very good poll to look to because that cnn poll showed that head-to-head donald trump loses to hillary clinton by eight points. he doesn't just lose close, he loses by eight points. that same poll he told you to look at shows me beating hillary clinton. we cannot mess this up -- >> by the way, the last four
polls in a row, when you nominate a candidate who literally has been on every side of every issue and in the course of this debate may be on two other sides before we're done, that's not how you win and the stakes are too high. >> all right. i'm going to let mr. -- let me just -- i'm going to let you respond to that, mr. trump then go to you, governor. you're up next. >> -- me beating hillary clinton and very, very easily. >> all right. do you want to weigh in? >> look, honestly, when i see people at these meetings, these town halls, where we take massive questions and i get to spend time with them. last night there was a woman that came to tell me about the loss of her 15-year-old son who took his own life. see, there's people in this country, ted's right, their wages haven't gone up for so long, they see the rich get richer, they believe, and they're not moving. they put their money in the bank and they got no interest on their money. they receive none. and their sons or daughters or living in the basement because they can't get a good job after
their rang up so much college debt. what people are hungry for is who can fix this? people want to know who -- what can you do to solve the problems in washington? to make sure that we have stronger job growth and better wages? but you know what else they're yearning for? they want to believe that they have the power to fix things where they live, and they want the power back. so they can begin to do things in their community. listen, this has been going on for a long
time here. and i appreciate the discussion back and forth. but there are a lot of people out there yearning for somebody who's going to bring america back, both at the leadership level and in the neighborhood where we can begin to reignite the spirit of the united states of america. and let's stop fighting. [ cheers and applause ] >> governor, thank you. gentlemen, thank you. >> much more to come live from the fox theater including where the candidates stand on the social issues facing the country. the republican presidential debate continues in a moment.
welcome back, everybody, to the fox news republican presidential debate. we want to get right back to the questions. >> we are here in detroit. the top issues in michigan according to facebook are displayed in a word cloud. you're taking a look at. the second biggest issue is clean water. that, of course, is directly tied with the situation in flint. senator rubio, bernie sanders and hillary clinton have both been to flint. they are both running ads in this state focusing on that. focusing on supporting flint and fixing the problems. showing images of people in
flint, thankful that they're there. without getting into the political blame game here, where are the national republicans' plans on infrastructure and solving problems like this? if you talk to people in this state, they are really concerned about flint on both sides of the aisle. so why haven't gop candidates done more or talked more about this? >> well, i know i've talked about it and others in our campaign have talked about it and other candidates have talked about it as well. what happened in flint was a terrible thing. it was systemic breakdown at every level of government, both the federal and partially -- both the state and partially at the federal level as well. and by the way, the politicizing of it i think is unfair because i don't think someone woke up one morning and said let's figure out how to poison the water system to hurt someone. accountability is important. i give the governor credit. he took responsibility for what happened and he's talked about people being held accountable and the need for change, with governor snyder. the way democrats have tried to
turn this into a partisan issue that somehow republicans woke up in the morning and decided, oh, it's a good idea to poison some kids with lead. it's absurd. it's outrageous. all of us are outrage by what happened and we should work together to solve it and there is a proper role for the government to play at the federal level in helping local communities to respond to a catastrophe of this kind not just to deal with the people that have been impacted by it but to ensure something like this never happens again. >> thanks, senator. >> governor kasich, the city of detroit has long suffered with urban blithe, broken street lights, dilapidated and vacant houses and so on. in 2013, detroit actually declared bankruptcy which helped, but the schools here remain a big problem. they're $3.5 billion in debt and are some of the most troubled and poorly testing in the country. the kids too often go to classrooms that are unsafe, falling apart, infested with rodents and insects. experts say the schools could go bankrupt by next month. question to you. if the federal government bailed out the auto industry here in detroit, should it also bail out
the detroit schools? >> well, look, first of all, i think the mayor now is controlling the schools. this is not much different than what happened in cleveland, ohio, where the african-american democrat mayor, the union and business leaders came to see me and said would you help us to pass legislation to really create a ceo environment so we can take control of the schools? we even invested in a buyout plan where we bought out the teachers who had been there a long time because there were so many young teachers who had been laid off who were so enthusiastic to get back in the schools, it worked beautifully. cleveland's coming back. the cleveland schools are coming back because of a major overhaul. it's the same thing that has to happen in all of our urban schools. and, frankly, look, if i were president, i'd take 104 federal programs, bundle them into 4 buckets and send it to the states because fixing schools rests at the state and the local level and particularly at the school board level. now, i also believe -- [ applause ]
i also believe that you need to introduce vocational education in those schools. you need mentoring in those schools. and you need to have a situation where people can have an alternative forum to get a degree and you need school choice. both vouchers and charter schools. all of those things can come together to help, megyn. here's the bottom line. i'll go quickly. we as adults have to fight in our neighborhoods, in our communi communities, for our children's education. put the politics aside and everyone in this room can play a role in lifting their schools and lifting the students in those schools because too much politics gets in the middle of it and where we focus as adults, put children first, we see tremendous results. and the people of this town are going to rise and they need to be involved. thank you. [ applause ] >> for half a century, as you all know, detroit was the symbol of america's industrial might.
300,000 manufacturing jobs in this city. at last count, there are now fewer than 30,000 manufacturing jobs here and the unemployment rate in this city is 11%. twice the national average. senator cruz, i know that you have general plans for tax reform, but what specifically would you do to bring manufacturing jobs back to america and train residents of cities like detroit to do those jobs? >> well, chris, thank you for that question. let me start by observing that detroit is a great city with a magnificent legacy that has been utterly decimated by 60 years of failed left-wing policy. [ cheers and applause ] henry ford revolutionized automobile manufacturing and brought automobiles to the middle class. during world war ii, detroit provided, funded the arsenals of
democracy to help us win world war ii. in the 1960s, detroit was the silicon valley of america. it had a population of 2 million people. had the highest per capita income in the country. and then for 50 years, left-wing democrats have pursued destructive tax policies, weak crime policies and have driven the citizens out. this city now has just 700,000 citizens. there are vacant homes, one after the other after the other. crime has been rampant. and it is an outrage. let me say to folks in the media, that is a story that the telling over and over again, the destruction of left-wing policy and the millions who have hurt because of it. >> i was going to say, i'll give you 30 seconds to try to answer my question. what specifically would you do to bring manufacturing jobs back to detroit and to train the residents here to do those jobs? >> the way you bring manufacturing back to america, number one, you lift the
regulations. as president, i will repeal obamacare, the biggest job killer in america. i will pull back the federal regulators, the epa and all the regulators that are killing small businesses and manufacturing. and my tax plan, which is a very, very detailed plan on the website, tedcruz.org, is what's called border adjustable. we get rid of all the taxes. we get rid of the corporate income tax and the death task and the obamacare taxes and payroll tax and replace it with a 16% business flat tax that is border adjustable which means all exports are entirely tax free and all imports pay the 16% business flat tax. that's a 32% differential. what that will do, chris, is bring millions of manufacturing jobs back to this country, bring the steel industry back to this country, create an environment where we compete on a fair and level playing field, american ingenuity can beat anyone, but right now the federal government isn't giving us a level playing
field. >> thank you, senator. gentlemen, the next series of questions will be on social issues. governor kasich, the last debate, you were asked a question about religious liberty, a hypothetical situation where a same sex couple approaches a cupcake maker to do their wedding. here's what you said. >> business of selling things, if you're not going to sell to somebody you don't agree with, today i'm not going to sell to somebody who's gay, tomorrow maybe i won't sell to somebody who's divorced. >> governor, some faith leaders got nervous about that answer. do gay marriage dissenters have rights? >> well, look, first of all, i try to be a man of faith every day as best as i can, and i try to focus in my faith on the dos and i think the don'ts will take care of themselves once i get the dos right, humility, loving my enemy, caring for my neighbor. secondly, look, you're in the commerce business, you want to sell somebody a cupcake, great.
okay? now if they ask you to participate in something you really don't like, that's a whole other issue. okay? another issue. here's what i'd like to see happen. the supreme court ruled, i don't agree with the ruling. i'm of favor of marriage between, traditional marriage, a man and a woman. who i hope is going to happen after the supreme court ruling is things settle down. if you go to a photographer to take pictures at your wedding, say i'd rather not do it, find another photographer, don't sue them in court. you know what, the problem is -- [ applause ] -- in our country, in our country, we need to learn to respect each other and be a little bit more tolerant for one another, and at the end of the day, don't go to court. can't we have common sense in america? that's the way it used to be. and there was a book written called "the death of common sense." we need to bring it back, but at the end of the day, if somebody is being pressured to participate in something that is against their deeply-held religious beliefs, then we're going to have to think about dealing with the law.
you know what, i'd rather people figure this out without having to put another law in the books and have more arguments in this country. why don't we come together as a country, respect one another, love one another and lift this country? i think that's what people want. so -- [ cheers and applause ] thanks for asking. >> senator cruz, the u.s. supreme court obviously declared same-sex marriage legal in all 50 states, a decision you have criticized. given the current status of the law, do you believe a gay couple should be able to adopt? >> well, listen, adoption is decided at the state level and i am a believer in the tenth amendment in the constitution, i would leave the question of marriage to the states, i would leave the question of adoption to the states. that's the way it's been for two centuries of our nation's history until five unelected judges in an illegitimate and wrong decision decided to seize the authority over marriage and wrongfully tear down the marriage laws of all 50 states. now, connected to this is the
question of religious liberty. at the last debate, one of my colleagues on this stage said on the question of religious liberty and supreme court nominees that he'd be willing to compromise and negotiate. i can tell you, for me, there are areas that we should compromise on. marginal tax rates. we can reach a middle ground on. when it comes to core principles and convictions, when it comes to the constitution and bill of right, i can tell the men and women at home i will never compromise away your religious liberty. [ applause ] and for me, bret, religious liberty has been a lifelong passion. i've spent two decades defending religious liberty including defending the ten commandments before the u.s. supreme court and winning. defending the pledge of allegiance before the supreme court and winning. and defending the mojave desert veterans memorial, a lone white latin cross that was erected to honor the men and women who gave their lives in world war i. i represented 3 million veterans defending that memorial and won
5-4. >> thank you. senator cruz definitely avoided saying your name, mr. trump, but i think he was referring to you and your religious liberty answer. would you like to respond? >> i have nothing to say. i mean, generally speaking i agree with what he said. i would have certainly have rather left it to the states. i was always in -- i was very surprised when they came up with that decision. i would have certainly -- i would have preferred had it been left to the states and i think most people would have preferred that. >> senator rubio, the late supreme court justice antonin scalia, a conservative icon obviously, pointed out in the united states versus hell rerks that like most rights the second amendment right is not unlimited. first amendment doesn't allow you to tgo into a theater and yell fire. do you agree with justice scalia, what limits would you'd draw around the second amendment? >> as few as possible. the second amendment as i said before is not a suggestion. it's the constitutional right of
every american to protect themselves and their families. it is a right that -- it is the second amendment for a reason. it is right after the defense of the freedom of speech for a reason. clearly the founders of our nation understood and the framers of the constitution understood that you cannot have life and you cannot have liberty and cannot pursue happiness if you are not safe. and the second amendment when people talk about gun laws, what they need to realize is criminals don't follow gun laws. they're criminals. by definition, they ignore the law. but the gun rights of americans, if you are talking to a law-abiding citizen and a gun owner like myself, if you pass a law, i will knoll whatever the law is. a criminal will not do it. they will continue to pursue these guns on the black market where they then go out and commit crimes and steal guns from each other. gun laws are not effective. they simply do not provide for safety but they do, however, ensure that law-abiding people don't have access to weapons to protect themselves and guns to protect themselves, but criminals always will be well armed. they don't care about the law. they don't follow the law. we will protect the second amendment when i'm president of the united states.
>> mr. trump, you were once a supporter of a weapons ban, so do you think there should be any restrictions on the second amendment? >> no, i'm a big defender of the second amendment. if you look at what's happened, whether it's in california where you had the 14 people killed, whether it's in paris, which by the way has the toughest gun laws in the world and 130 people killed. many, many people in the hospital. gravely injured. they will be dying. many people will be dying in addition. if we had guns or if they had guns on the other side of the room with the bullets going in the opposite direction, you would not have had 130 people killed. that i can tell you right now. so i'm a very, very big supporter of the second amendment. >> but in 2000, you wrote in your book, i generally oppose gun control but i support the ban on assault weapons. >> i don't support it anymore. i do not support the ban on assault. >> senator cruz? any limits to the second amendment? >> well, listen. unlike donald, i would not support banning firearms. in that instance, bill clinton
banned many of the most popular firearms in america. by the way, the study showed that ban did nothing to reduce violent crime but took away the second amendment rights of law-abiding citizens. let me point out, it is easy for political candidates to have rhetoric and say i support the second amendment. you cannot say that and at the same time say what donald just said which is that on the question of supreme court nominees he wants to compromise and reach a middle ground with harry reid and chuck schumer. that's what he said in the last debate. >> i did not say that. >> harry reid and chuck schumer sign off on -- >> i did not say that. >> harry reid and chuck schumer are both democrats mr. trump has written checks to repeatedly. any justice that those two sign off on is going to be a left wing judicial activist who will undermine religious liberty and we're one vote away from the heller decision being overturned which would effectively erase the second of amendment from the bill of rights. if you care about the second amendment, you need to ask who
on this stage do you know will appoint principled constituti constitutionalists to the court and not cut a deal with your second amendment rights? >> mr. trump, so we're listening to the all talk, no action politician and he was the primary supporter of john roberts who gave us -- >> flat-out wrong. >> no, it's not. you take a look. he was the primary supporter. he pushed john roberts and pushed him and pushed him and bush ultimately appointed him. he got appointed. and when it came his time to raise his hand and kill obamacare, not once, but twice, he let us down and he did the wrong thing. this is the man that was the primary supporter and you can read law journal, read whatever you want to read, i've read plenty of it. there was no stronger supporter of john roberts than him. and it was a very, very big mistake. >> quickly, senator cruz. >> you know, donald has a tenuous relationship with the truth. i wrote one op-ped supporting president bush's nomination after he made it. i would not have made that
nomination. let me point out -- >> that is not what you said -- >> donald, please, i know it's hard not to interrupt. try. >> it's not what you said in the op-ped. >> breathe, breathe, breathe. >> i am, ted. >> you can do it. you can breathe. i know it's hard. i know it's hard. but just -- >> when they're done with the yoga, can i answer a question? >> you cannot -- [ applause ] >> i really hope we don't see yoga on this stage. >> he's very flexible, so you never know. [ cheers and applause ] >> but you cannot, in fact, care about conservative supreme court justices and support jimmy carter for president. you cannot care about conservative supreme court justices and support john kerry for president as donald did. you cannot care about conservative supreme court justices and support harry reid for senate majority leader and you cannot care about conservative supreme court justices and write four checks to hillary clinton for her to be president if you care at all
about the second amendment or religious liberty or anything else. >> gentlemen, we're going to move on. thank you very much. we're going to talk about more policy questions coming up. >> and coming up, the candidates tackle foreign policy. first, during the commercial break, join us for facebook live on the fox news facebook page and tell us what you think about tonight's debate in the comment section. stay with us. more to come. the future belongs to the fast.
who know that delivering freight... ...means delivering promises. od. helping the world keep promises. welcome back, everybody. we're going it get right back to the questions. >> and gentlemen, we're going to focus for a bit on foreign policy. senator rubio, you like to take a shot at mr. trump on the campaign trail saying negotiating a hotel deal in a foreign country is not foreign policy. the other day you even compared him to kim jong-un the north korean leader as lunatics trying
to get ahold of nuclear weapons. please tell mr. trump why he's unprepared to be commander in chief. >> well, first of all i think as we've seen throughout this campaign, donald has not shown seriousness about the issues of foreign policies. he simply hasn't. whether it was the structure of our military, today he was asked the question about the issue of commanders not following his lead on killing the family of terrorists. and his answer basically was if i tell them to do it, they're going to do it. that's just not true. foreign policy is not only consequential, i think much of our future now depends on it. you know, i see a lot of young people at my events around the country. i feel great when they come. i always them them that despite the hardships of the moment, i honestly believe that today's millennials have a chance to be the greatest generation we've had in 100 years. i really do. because the world today has hundreds of millions of people that can afford to be their clients, their customers, their partners, people they collaborate with. that won't happen if the world is dangerous and it's unstable. that will require strong american leadership. the next president of the united states is going to have eight
years of a mess of a foreign policy to clean up. that's why it can't be hillary clinton and quite frankly why it can't be someone who simply has not shown the intellectual curiosity or interest in learning about these very complicated issues and donald simply hasn't. >> mr. trump, your response. >> well, let me just say this. i've gotten to know marco over a period of time, believe me, he is not a leader. believe me. >> that doesn't answer the question. >> he didn't interrupt you. >> he's not a leader. and frankly, when i say they'll do as i tell them, they'll do as i tell them. and that's very -- it's very simple. it's very simple. we are in a very dangerous place. we have a depleted military. totally depleted. we have, by the way, our vets are treated horribly. we're going to take care of our vets. we're going to start taking care of our vets properly like we should. we're going to build up our military and get the equipment we want, not the equipment that's sold to us by somebody
that gave him and him and not the governor campaign contributions. okay? we're going to get the equipment that the generals and the soldiers want. i will prove to be a great leader. and, you know, it's very interesting, we talk about the polls, every single poll when it comes to isis and the military and the border say by far trump is the best. >> mr. trump, your time is up. >> yeah, i just want to, a couple points. once again, he was pressed on a policy issue to show his understanding of the foreign policy and his reaction was to attack somebody else with a name. here's the bottom line. i'm going to repeat it again. the world today is as complicated and complex as it's been certainly in the lifetime of anybody here today. you indeed do have a lunatic in north korea with nuclear weapons, indeed have the chinese government taking over the most important shipping lane in the world and salad pevladimir putiu expressed admiration for. >> wrong, wrong, wrong. you said it. he said very good things about me and i -- >> i'm going to finish my statement here. and he's also showing instability in the middle east.
you have iran is going to get $100 billion of sanctions relief. you have radical jihadists spreading all over the world. this is a time for seriousness on these issues. you have yet to answer a single serious question about any of this. will you give us a detailed answer about foreign policy any time you're asked on it? >> let me just tell you, first of all, i've been hearing this man so long talking about putin. putin said about me, i didn't say about putin, putin said very nice things about me. and i say very nicely, wouldn't it be nice if actually we could get along with russia? we could get along with foreign countries? instead of spending trillions and trillions of dollars. you're talking about flint, michigan. you're talking about places, we need to rebuild the infrastructure of our country. wouldn't it be nice if we got along with the world and maybe russia could help us in our quest to get rid of isis, et cetera, et cetera? >> gentlemen, you both had a chance to talk a couple of times. i'd like to move on to senator cruz. senator, we have some breaking
news tonight. north korea's dictator, kim jong-un has ordered that country's nuclear weapons to be made ready at a moment's notice. >> yes. >> this comes just hours after the u.n. security council announced, approved the toughest sanctions in two decades against that country. assume you're president cruz tonight. what do you do? >> well, you're right. the news is very disturbing. kim jong-un put their nuclear weapons on ready state. i'm glad we're sending another carrier group to the south china sea. i'm glad congress passed sanctions on north korea. this is all the result of the failures of the clinton administration two decades ago that negotiated a deal with north korea lifting the sanctions, allowing billions of dollars to flow in and they used that money to develop nuclear weapons in the first place. now we're in a much harder position. when you have a lunatic with nuclear weapons, to some extent it constrains your options. we need to be moving the carrier group to the south china seas,
we need to be putting in place missile defense such as the missile defense system in south korea. we need to be pursuing space-based missile defense. one of the advantages of space-based missile defense is if you have a missile launch in north korea, you have a missile launch in iran, a space-based missile defense can take out one, two, or three missiles before it can cross over and do damage and we also need to be putting pressure on china because north korea is effectively a client state of chin china. all of that will happen with a strong commander in chief devoted to keeping this country safe. >> thank you, senator. governor kasich, i want to move back to the debate we heard earlier about vladimir putin. in december after vladimir putin had nice thing to say about donald trump calling him bright and talented, your campaign ran a video suggesting that trump might name the russian president as his running mate. here's a clip. >> i'll have to see this. >> if elected, trump promised
the dictatorial duo would, quote, make >> that was your campaign video, sir. >> that was a pretty good one. >> sir, if i may ask my question, i think you were kidding but it was your video and the suggestion is do you think donald trump is naive about the threat that vladimir putin represents? >> i'm not biting. let me take you around the world, okay? let me -- look. i'm going to take you very quickly. in russia, we need to tell them we're going to arm the ukrainians with weapons and if you attack finland and sweden,
consider it an attack on us. and he'll understand that. i'll tell the chinese you don't own the south china sea. stop hacking us and we're going to beef up our cyber command and we're going to be able to take out your systems if you continue to do this. egyptians now they're on their last legs because of the attacks on isis. and the if they have similar aims we need to bring them closer to us. turkey a critical avenue to the middle east. we have to bring them towards the west, not the east. and we have a joint, good human intelligence, that is called a semi trip around the world. if you gave me more time, i'd finish the trip. >> governor, thank you. >> coming up, a final question and closing statements. and take a look at this. the volume of conversation on facebook surrounding the
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welcome back to the republican presidential debate. let's get back at it. gentlemen, this is our last question of the night. it has been a long time since our last debate, seven months have transpired and an rnc pledge that all of you signed agreeing to support the party's nominee and not launch an independent run. tonight, can you say you can support the nominee, even if it
is donald trump. >> i will support the republican nominee. because the democrats have two people left in the race. one of them is a socialist. america doesn't want to be a socialist country. if you want to be, then move to a socialist country. the other one is under fbi investigation. and not only under fbi investigation, she lied to the families of the victims of b benghazi and anyone who lies to family victims will never be the commander in chief. >> senator cruz. >> yes. because i gave my word that i would. and i do what i said i would do. tuesday we saw an overwhelming victory in the state of texas. i won texas by 17%. i will say it was a powerful affirmation that the people who know me best and that i campaigned to made promises if you elect me, i'll lead the
fight against amnesty and will fight for the bill of rights every day. that the people of texas said you have kept your word. >> governor kasich, yes or no, would you support donald trump as republican nominee? >> yes. and i think before it's said and done, i'll be the nominee. let me also. but i'm the little engine that can. we're traveling and working and spending time away from family. when in the arena you enter a special circle. you want to respect the people you're in the arena with. if he ends up the nominee, sometimes, it makes it a little bit hard, but i will support whoever is the republican nominee for president. >> mr. trump, i'm going to ask you a version of the same
question, today, you raised a possibility you might run as an independent if you feel you're treated unfairly by the republican party. so i'm going to phrase the question the other three people on this stage just got. did you definitely say that you will support the republican nominee for president, even if it's not you. >> even if it's not me? let me just start off by saying that i'm very, very proud of millions and millions people that have come to the republican party over the last little while. they have come to the republican party and by the way, the democrats are losing people. this is a trend taking place, it's the biggest thing happening in politics and i'm very proud to be part of them. i'm going to give them credit, too. though they don't deserve it, but the answer is, yes, i will. >> yes, you will support the nominee of the party? >> yes. i will. >> candidates, it's now time for your closing statements.
governor kasich, we'll start with you. >> probably, ladies and gentlemen, i love being here in michigan and i want to say to all of you here that i have a record of being able to solve some of the biggest problems, not just talk and not theory. i did it in washington by helping people get into a healthier economic situation and i've done it in ohio. we've made progress in ohio we did not leave anyone behind and we have raised our minority communities. and as president of the united states i will go back to washington and take formulas i have used and i will fix the problems in washington and you'll work with me as i send you power to fix your communities, your neighborhoods, your state and together, we'll restore the spirit of america. i know you want that. thank you. >> senator rubio, 30 seconds, closing statement. >> i know this has been an unusual election cycle as it
continues and there are a lot of problems in america and people are hurting. but this is not just confronting our problems but also embracing our opportunities, i believe the 21 century holds the potential to be the greatest era in the history of the united states if we act now. if we do, if do what needs to be done, we can leave our children the freest and most prosperous american that's ever lived in the amazing story of america. i ask everyone to vote for me and join our effort at marcorubio.com. >> senator cruz? >> i want to talk to every soldier, sailor, airmen and marine, every mom, dad, sister, brother, and son and daughter of someone fighting for the country. for seven years, you had a commander in chief that sends you into combat with rules of engagement that tie your hands behind your back, it is wrong, and immoral and in january, 2017 it will end. i want to talk to polic