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welcome to this special edition of the journal editorial report. donald trump takinging fire from fellow republicans after winning seven states on super tuesday. establishing himself as the clear favorite for the gop presidential nomination. mitt romney went on the attack thursday, calling trump a phony and a fraud. and his 2016 primary opponents tried to derail the trump train again in the fox debate by hammering away at his conservative credentials. >> for 40 years, donald has been
part of the corruption in washington that you're angry about. and you're not going to stop the corruption in washington. by supporting someone who has supported liberal democrats for four decades from jimmy carter to john kerry to hillary clinton. >> we are not going to turn over the party to someone whose positions are not conservative. to someone who last week depended planned parenthood for 30 seconds on a debate stage. >> as republicans voted in four states make their choice, did those attacks work or is donald trump unstoppable? let's ask. "wall street journal" columnist, assistant editorial page editor, james freeman and brett stevens. dan, is he unstoppable? >>. >> i think he's capable of stopping himself. we're at a point where you need
a majority of the delegates. 1,237. trump woup to win 52% of the remaining delegates to gain that majority. he's got three people competing with him. theoretical theoretically, it's going to be difficult for him to get to the majority. now, in the debate this week, he brought up a suggest. he usually talks in very broad stroke terms about every subject. but the question of immigration and hi visa, came up for highly skill td workers answd he offer he was going to be flexible because they need those kind of workers in silicon valley. right after the debate, his campaign put out he did not mean that because he didn't mean it because those visas are a sore point so as trump gets deeper into this primary campaign and starts to you canning about some of these subject, he runs the risk of losing conservative support at the margin. and he cannot afford to do that. >> he responds to that directly.
he says i am flexible. watch this. >> i've never seen a successful person who wasn't flexible. who didn't have a certain degree of flexibility. you have to show a degree of flexibility. if you're going to be one way and you think it's wrong, does that mean the rest of your life, you have to to go in the wrong direction because you don't want to change? >> you can't take donald trump at face value. what he says today is just his opening position in a bargaining and negotiation. he'll change tomorrow. that is flexibility. what's wrong with that, james? >> i think cruz pretty effectively thursday night made the case that what donald trump flexible about is basic principles. basic principles about the shape of our government, the institution, personal lib erty and i think you asked the question, can trump be stopped. i think he can and he will be when the gets down to a one-on-one race. i think cruz with his tuesday results and thursday debate performance shows he should be the guy. i think it's time for kasich and rubio to get out and allow cruz
to take on trump. >> the politician that most resembles trump is barack obama. back in 2007, you're looking at me funny, but it's the case. >> barack obama won. >> in 2007 and 2008, people projected on obama whatever it was they were feeling. themted hope and change. he was vague. that's how he won. right now, the mood of the republican party, we're angry, we want to get rid of the establishment and that's what has propelled trump so far, but soon, he will be exposed. that is the process that's begun belatedly, but it's happening. trump university is going to be exposed. his tax returns is going to come out. >> wait. >> i've got to bring, go on. >> is this a candidate who tells it like it is or a candidate who is flexible and says whatever comes into his head? >> the latter is working. >> he tells it like it is. >> okay.
come on, you got to get into this. >> all of this okay, he's got a lot of vulnerabilities. poem have been talk about how he got beat up on this in debate. he made mistakes in that debate. brought up the visa thing, which some of his supporters care about deeply. that concerned them. a lot of veterans and active duty military heard his comment say federal government he asked the military to perform an unconstitutional act, they'll just do it. that sent up some red flags. he has to go into these races happening now in kansas and kentucky, maine and louisiana, caucuses have never been his strong suit. worse, these are closed caucuses. that's been tough on him, too. if any of that helps to stall his momentum combined with the added tax that brett was alluding to, he could have a difficult road the next two
weeks. >> let me throw this out. if donald trump is not the republican nominee, if they oust him in some way, the republicans cannot win. dan? >> well, this is a very interesting question. i mean, they have big problems right now. trump has all of these supporters, baugh becauut becau engendered so much opposition nd the republican party, arguably, a lot of republicans are either not going to vote for trump or even vote for hillary clinton. i think if he were out and if cruz or rubio were in, whose credentials are unimpeachables, then these on the fence republicans about trump would get behind the candidate. >> if trump is the nominee, republicans cannot win. maybe they can't win with aruba rubio or cruz or kasich. with hillary clinton looking up the democratic base, she is
going to win unless she has a strong kond tender who cannot only bring the entire republican party on the side, but win moderates. trump cannot do that. >> we've got to get to a commercial break and on that note, donald trump cannot and will not win. more on this. i promise you. all right, still ahead, donald trump, the unifier. there's a subject. it's been a nasty primary battle, oh, yes, it has, but he's promising to unite the republican party and take the fight to hillary clinton. if he's the nominee. so can he? >> two-thirds of the people who have cast a vote in the republican primary or caucus have voteded against you. a fox news alert. good saturday afternoon to you. big day in the gop. caucuses a number of states including kansas. >> that's right. we're looking live now. there is donald trump speaking to a very eager crowd in
wichita, kansas, so let's listen live. >> america great again. we are going to make america great again. that i can tell you. that, i can tell you. when you look at what's goieals iran. a deal where we give them $150 billion, where we don't get our hostages back until years after, it's a disgrace. we're going to change that. we're going to do so many things. we're going to get rid of common core, bring education local, which we have to do. have to do. we have no choice. we have to do. we're going to repeal and replace obama care very, very quickly. i don't know if you know, but your premiums are going up like a rocket ship. your premiums are going up 25, 35, 45% and it's going to follow its on weight very soon. we're going to rebuild our military. our military is depleted.
our military is frankly, our military is in trouble. we're going to make our military so strong, so powerful. that nobody, nobody, is going to mess with us, that, i can tell you. we're going to take care of our vets. they have been the forgotten people. they've been the forgotten people. and we're taking care of our vets. finally. after years and i've been hearing this even long before i was in the world of politics. i've been hearing this for years. our vets are going to be, these are cherisheded people. we're taking care of our vets. on trade, our country is a disaster. we have political hacks, people that give money to politicses, that's how they get their jobs. we have the worst people negotiating our trade deals. we're going stop that. we're going to have the greatest business people in the world and we have them. we're going to have the greatest business people in the world
negotiating our trade deals with china. if you look with china, we have a trade deficit of $505 billion this year. that's going to end. with mexico, $58 billion. with japan, hundreds of billions of dollars. they send in the cars by the millions and we send them practically nothing. many other countries, our country doesn't win anymore. we don't win. we don't have good low pressure, the right people. everything's politically correct. we have a country that's lost its way. it's going to change. it's going to change. on our border, we are going to build a wall, that, i can tell you. we are going to build a wall. and as sure as you're sitting
there, mexico is going to pay for the wall. they know they're going to pay for the wall and just so you understand, people come off the stage and they say, donald, politicians, they say you can't get mexico really to pay for the wall. i'll say, 100%. mexico will be paying. we have a $58 billion a year trade deficit with mexico. the wall's going to cost $10 billion unless you're really bad at business, let me tell you, it's going to be very, very easy. nobody can understand when you saw -- >> you are listening live to donald trump. he is speaking to a crowd in wichita, kansas. bringing up leadership, veterans and the wall he will build on the board e, but i want to switch gears and take you u to maryland where we listened to marco rubio speakinging to a packed crowd. >> greatest nations to begin with and that's why the theme of this gathering, that our time is is now forcing us to answer a
second question. that is what does it mean to be a conservative in the 21st century? i can tell you what it can never be mean. it can never be about an attitude. it cannot be about how long you're willing to scream, how angry or how many names you're willing to call people. that is not conservative. conservative advertise m has never been about fear or anger. not at its best. do people have a right to be fearful of the future right now? yes, because for oaf a decade, leaders in neither party have solved the problems for us. do people have a right to be angry about every institution in society? absolutely. but neither anger nor fear will solve our problems. they con serve to motivate us, but it will not solve our
problems. what will solve our problems is is a specific set of ideas built on bedrock principles that made america the greatest nation to begin with and applying those principles to the unique challenges of this new century. and those principles are not complicated. it begins with a notion that this nation was founded on a powerful spiritual principle, that our rights do not come from government. our rights do not come from our lawses, from our leaders. our rights come from god. our government does not exist to decide these rights nor to grant them. our government exists to protect them and that is why we have a constitution that limits the power of the flafl government to a few things and we have abandoned that. in both political parties. we have reached a moment in our
history where we think every problem in america has to be to have a federal government solution. it does not have a federal government solution. in fact, most problems in america do not have a federal government solution and many are created by the federal government to begin with. and so, to move forward, it means reembracing and following the first amendment for what that and stands for. the right to lif out the teachings of your faith in every aspect of your life. it means understanding that the second amendment was not a nice suggestion, it was a right to protect yourself and your families from terrorists or -- it means adhering to the tenth amendment is reserved to the
states, not because we don't care about our problems, but because we care. we know that when the federal government tries to solve these problems, it often makes them worse, not better, so let's return power back to the states. it means reembracing true free sbrer prize, which i believe in not because my parents were wealthy, not because i inherited millions because i did not, but because i walkeded through the stage here today, i walked through the kitchen of this hotel and shook the hands of people who are doing the jobs my parent once did. you know why they have a job? you know why they have a job? you know why my parents had a job? because free enterprise works. because someone created those jobs and with those jobs, they were able to feed their families and raise them and buy homes and
a better future. free enterprise is the best economic system in the history of the world because it is the only system where you can make poor people richer and you don't have to make rich people poor. it means believes in a strong national defense. not because we want war. but because we love peace. because history has taught us a painful lesson, that weakness is the enemy of peace. that weakness invites violence, that weakness invites war. and so conservatives believe that the u.s. military should always be the most powerful on earth because america is a safer place when the military is the
strongest in the world. conservatives believes we stand by our allies, especially allies like israel. they are the only pro american free enterprise democracy in the middle east. conservatives believe we need to defeat radical islam because isis and other radical islamists are enemy of peace and that's why we need a under whom the best intelligence agencies in the world will find terrorists and destroy them. if we capture them alive, a president that will bring them to the united states, that will grant them a court appointed lawyer, a president that would send these terrorists to where they belong, to guantanamo bay, cuba.
and -- conservatives believe we take care f our veterans because we have a sacred obligation to take care of them after they've taken care of us. it's something that's not happening now. and yet, conservatives believe in traditional values. not because we want to impose our views on anyone, but because to abandon those values would be to ignore our history. americans are not the most generous people on earth because our laws make us generous. people do not contribute to charity in this country in record amounts because we have a tax break from it. we do so because this nation has been shaped by christian principles that teach us that we have an obligation the care for one another. and we believe in traditional
values because without them, without the belief in an all powerful god, then the very founding of this country was meaningless. it was foun founded on the principles that our rights come from god. if there is no god, then where do your rights come from other than what your leaders decide they are? has played in making us the greatest nation in the history. so, i am preachinging to the proverbial choir on this issue. why? because there's a different view of what conservative is and it's time for us to understand it's not built on personalities. conservative is not built on how angry you might seem from time to time. conservatism is built on a set of ideas that our nation needs.
perhaps the most important in a generation. for over 200 year, this has been an exceptional country. i know this personally and so do you because for me, america is not just the country i was born in. it is the nation that changed the history of my family. but we have to remember that what made that possible was not an accident. america is not a special country by accident. it did not happen on its own. it happened because for over 200 year, each generation before us did what needed to be done. for over two century, each generation of americans before us con froned and solved problems. they embraceded opportunity and americans have never had it easy. this was a nation founded by declaring independence to the most powerful empire in the world. this was a nation that faced a bloody civil war, two great world wars, a long cold war. the 1960s were difficult for this country. the civil rights movement
divided us regional h alley. the vietnam war divided us generationally. each generation before us confronted their challenges and solved their problems and that's why each let the country better off. my fellow conservative, the time has come for this generation to do its part. the moment has arrived for us to do our part now. and the stakes could not be higher because the future of the greatest nation on earth is at stake. and i want to speak specifically to the younger people here today. because i know there's a lot of negativity out there. i know times are difficult. i want you to know that i believe something with all my heart. i believe that today's young americans are on the verge and have the chance to become the next greatest generation in american history.
i believe -- i believe that the 21st century, the 21st century is taylor made for america. there are now hundreds of millions of people on this planet that a decade ago were starving and now, they want to buy things from you. they want to trade with you. they want to partner with you and collaborate with you and these young americans are the best collaborators in the history of mankind. these young americans are the most technologically advance d people that have ever lived. on the campaign trail, unless you're under 25, no one knows how to use their camera phone. they have the chance to fulfill an incredible potential and destiny, but we have to give them a chance and they won't have a chance if a hillary clinton or a bernie sanders is elected and they won't have a chance -- and they won't have a chance if the conservative movement is hijacked by someone who is not a conservative.
and so -- and so, i'm already over time, so let me close with this. i got to answer questions. i get to answer questions in a moment from dana bash. so let me close with this. i know that all the news today sounds bad and by the way, for young americans, know this, the one thing that's true about history is ta every generation believes the next one is really messed up. i want you to believe and know if we do what needs to be done, i want you to know what history'
going to say about you, about us. if we make the right choice now. it will say that this generation of americans lives in the early years of this new century, in a very difficult time. the world was changing. and we struggled to keep pace with it. and it will say the truth. we almost got it wrong. after eight years of barack obama and one crazy election, we almost got it wrong. we came this close. then we remembered who we were. then we remembered what america was. then we confronted our challenges and embraced our opportunities because we did what neededed to be done in 2016. our children became the freest and most prosperous that ever lived because we did what needed to be done. the american dream didn't just survived. because we did what needed to be done, the 21st century became greater than the 20th century. it became the greatest era in our history. a new american century. this is what we have the chance to do together and our time to
do it is now. thank you. thank you. and now, thank you. thank you very much. thank you. and now, i'm going to -- i'm going to answer some questions from a journalist many of us respect very much. cnn's chief political correspondent, dana bash is here. so i look forward to answering her questions. >> thank you, guys. >> rubio! >> oh, yeah. >> i don't want to get you sick. >> thank you for that.
>> hold on. hold on. >> that never gets old, does it? >> my running mate right now. >> first of all, i want to say that was the first time i've been introduced by a presidential candidate. i have a whole list of questions i want to ask. the one thing you were just talking about struck me that i want you to talk about because i, too, came in through the back, through the kitchen and that is how you approach a lot of these events. people don't really realize that, but for you, it is personal. >> yeah. my parents, this is the jobs they did. i always a tell people my parents were incredibly successful people because the american dream is not about how much money you make or how many buildings have your name on it. the american dream -- the american dream, i wasn't talk
about anybody in particular. i was just saying. the american dream is about achieving happiness. when you become a firefighter or a police officer or a teacher or a nurse, you know you're not going to become a billionaire. what you want is what my parents achieved and what they achieved working as a bartender and maid at a hotel after arieffing heerg rooifing here with nothing. the first words my dad learned in english, i'm looking for a job. they owned a home in a safe and stable neighborhood, retired with dignity and left all four of their children better off than themselves. that's the american dream. >> i know you weren't talking about any particular person. >> i probably was. trying to be nice. >> donald trump was supposed to be here this morning. he backed out. instead went to kansas. i sense that crowd has an opinion on that. do you? >> yeah, this is the american
conservative union. and so, i mean, it's usually reserved for conservatives and -- this matters. look, either the idea behind conservatism matters or do not. i believe they do. it is not enough to say a vote for me because i'm angrier and over the top and i'm going to do and say things no one else is going to do. i get that. i really do. but let me tell you something. it is not a coincidence that there are people, plethrra of young leaders in their 40s and 50s. myself, ted cruz, nikki hailey, paul ryan, why are there so many young conservatives now serving our country? because we grew up in an era of reagan and reagan looked an acted nothing like donald trump. and look at the democrats.
who is the young and up an coming democrat? bernie sanders. >> let me ask you a question about that. and i asked ted cruz about this this week as well. you're stepping up your rhetoric big time against donald trump on the question of whether or not he is a true conservative. you started doing that at the debate last week. calling him a con artist and fraud. if you believe those thing, why did you wait until february of 206 to say so? >> for much of this campaign, i've been fighting off others attacking me, so that takes ali l bit of time, too, and i didn't get into this to beat up on the other candidates. if you had told me a year ago that the front-runner at the stage would be a supporter of planned parenthood who says he doesn't stand with israel, who has long record of supporting government sponsored helalth care, i would say on what planet. but i think we have to ask
ourselves why have we allowed that to happen. >> why is that? why have -- have voted and voted for him. >> part of the reason and i think one of the reasons why and i don't mean to take you on this, but i want to be clear because i'm not been sitting here for five minneapolutes and the three questions have been about donald trump. that's the reason why. >> that's fair. he is the front-runner. that's fair, but he is the front-runner and you've been making your campaign about donald trump. >> even before he was the front-runner, even before, donald would offend someone personally, make fun of a disabled reporter or attack a woman journalist and dominate news coverage. it's fine. i'm not complaining. the reason we talk about it and why this is happening is the other night at the debate, over half the questions i asked were somehow related to my opinion of donald trump. i'm more than happy to share my opinion, but i'm running for
president because i think this country needs to reembrace the constitution, this country needs to reembrace free enterprise and a strok national defense. >> we have some questions from twitter and lisa asks this question. how are your children responding? do they understand how important and serious this is and before you answer that question, i want to put my mom hat on for a second. because you're the proud father of four. i'm a mother of a 4-year-old son and i'm having trouble letting him watch the news because things have gotten so vulgar and so over the top that i don't want him to think it's okay to act like that. i'm not alone. i know a will the of people have said that. how do you feel as father and presidential candidate about how
low things have gone? >> i mane, i'll tell you this is related t.o. real question. i'm glad you asked it. my kids were with me on the trail a lot from iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, every day when i woke up, i was glad they were there. not just because they were my kids, but because they reminded me this is what it was about. you're trying to decide what their country will be like. god has blessed my family. he has protected our children, they've handled it extremely well. i don't think we've had a negative moment on the campaign with them but that's because god has protected and shielded us. he's done that for us and other families as well. but for me, it is a daily reminder we are fighting for, what we're deciding will decide what america looks like in ten years and yes, i think it is one of the things you asked me, i don't wabt us to have a president that would have to be explaining look, i know it's what the president did, but you shouldn't do that. i don't want that.
we had a president like that not long ago. >> i'll leave that one alone. the rhetoric has been, i understand you're saying you are trueing to answer him in some of the things he has been saying, but you know, i can't explain to my kid about the talking about hands and things like that. >> look -- i don't, i'll be more than happy to answer another trump question. he might have grown up with a lot of money. where i grew up, if someone keeps punching someone in face, eventually, someone's going to have to stand up an punch them back. >> i want to ask another question from twitter. this is on the supreme court. do you think president obama should appoint a justice to the
supreme court prior to his term. >> no, absolutely not and the reason why, first of all, i agree with joe biden in 1992 when he said we should not be nominating supreme court justices in an election year, much less in the eighth year. first of all, the supreme court can function with eight justices. the number nine is set by congress. i'm not advocating we do this, but if we wanted to change it, we could. number two, this president's unatable. he is going to be nominating someone who basically a loif time appointment so we're going to have a debate in this country over this. there's going to be an election in november. god willing, we're going to elect a conservative and that conservative will then appoint someone i hope more like justice scalia than the kind of nominees we've gotten out of this president. >> so, do you think all candidates now, republican and democrat, should pledge not to nominate a supreme court justice
in their last year of term. >> marco rubio at cpac and for those not familiar, it's the annual pilgrimage of conservative activists that all come the washington. to give you an idea of how important this is, marco rubio, john kasich and ted cruz took time out to come speak. the one person who was not there at cpac who canceled his appearance was donald trump and perhaps the biggest applause line we heard from marco rubio during his speech was that he is not going to allow the conservative movement to be hijacked by someone who is not a conservative. so, without mentioning tru inin name, it was a brutal attack on trump and we saw that from marco rubio throughout his speech. he had all of these veiled references to trump. i don't measure success by how many buildings have my name on it. never said trump until the question and answer session. >> it was probably still about
two minutes into this session before he said donald trump by name. but we certainly heard him zras the crowd and values. he talked a lot about limited government. military and our allies. then during the first part of the q and a, he spoke about where he came from, which was a way for him to connect with a lot of the young voters and he talked about how the first words his dad learned in engelbreine where can i find a job. he's really distinguishing himself from the front-runner and like you said, it took a couple of minutes before he mentioned his name. he's setting himself apart. >> you heard this personal story. that's what everyone talked about over the past three or four years. he had this unbelievable personal story about how his parents worked in hotels and he drew that back today. he said i walked into this convention center, which is a large hotel outside of
washington. i walked in through the kitchen and was reminded of all the folks working there because that's what my parents did and you're seeing him tran cig back to this personal narrative about a week ago, we were sitting here watching him almost in a comedy act. going after donald trump talking ability his spray tan and those things. we didn't see that today. and you have to imagine the calculation. >> he said dana bash asked him, specifically a number of questions about trump. but mostly about his demeanor last weekend, which we saw. we were a little taken aback. and he said, you know, where i come from, when you get hit enough, you eventually hit back, which explains where he's coming from. >> a little bit of a stroet fighter at the same time took a swipe at trunk. i don't know how it works in prep school and those kind of things. a lot more political coverage to come. we have caucuses in kansas,
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and what would it mean for the economy? i'll go to you first, joe. isn't it kind of obvious that on both side of the al there is a withdrawal and a retreat from the idea of free trade? which we've held generation, but we're retreating. >> i'd say about 80 or 90 years since the 1920s. the paradox of trade is most important when it leads politically popular, so if you look at world trade flows right now, they're running very low. normally, trade growth is much larger than gdp, so that means we could be looking at a recession in the next year or so. this, a trade war right now, would be very, very bad for the american economy and the american public. >> so, bad for the united states internationally. globally, i mean, we have been the global leader in moving towards a freer trading world.
ever since world war ii. ever since the bretten woods agreement. this is i think partly the result of a certain kind of historical ill lit ra iteracy t sunk in. people don't remember the smoot holly -- beg thy neighbor trade policies that contributed to the great depression of the 1930s. if you are minimally economically literate, you understand that trade benefits both sides. donald trump thinks that japan is beating us in terms of trade, which is like you know, the 1980s sort of screaming. look at by the way, kind of this idea that somehow, the chinese are beating us, the mexicans are beating us. what complete nonsense is that? the chinese economy is slowly going into a tank because of excessive spending and taxes, but we benefit from open trade with china.
>> isn't the bigger picture that donald trump is saying we've got leverage with china and area pan and mexico, but we're not using it. >> leverage to lower prices for consumers to bring greater quantity of goods an services to the table so you have choices, whether it's an apple or samsung. >> it's clear he doesn't understand how the global economy works. when he says china is stealing our jobs, that's nonsense. two points here. he seems to think that running trade deficits is necessarily bad. that's not the case. we are usually growing and expanding when running trade deficits because it shows that u.s. consumers and businesses are saving money buying cheaper foreign goods. he also seems to think you can devalue your way to prosperity and that's what china is trying to do. also a nonsense, he should lock at the aigen financial kriss and what happened to those countries when they tried to devalue.
the only reason there's downward pressure on the chinese -- because capital is fleeing and they're taking economy and coming here. >> this goes over the head of many, many people who say, i lost my job to mexico. we're exporting high paying manufacturing jobs. that is a political winner. i got you. i think you're right. but it's a political winner. >> i mean, you'll want to jump in. less than a minute. >> it's not a political winner. half the things we bring in from china are parts and raw materials. that powers american manufacturing. if you look at mexico, he says the mexicans are beating us economically, but yet we have to build a wall to keep the mexicans from coming here. >> last word. >> what you'd like to hear donald trump say is when na bis ko or ford are going to put plan plants in mexico, what we need is an american economic program
ha makes it easier federal reserve those companies to continue to e employ people of the united states. bring back right to work laws in some of these northern states. that's the kind of agenda you need to make sure jobs are being kept here instead of having companies make perfectly rational decisions. >> now you're talking loud. when we come back, the battle between apple and the fbi heating up as both sides head the capitol hill. why your security could be on the line in this high stakes showdown. >> our need for public safety and for privacy are crashing into each other and we've got to sort that out. i think we should've taken a left at the river. tarzan know where tarzan go! tarzan does not know where tarzan go. hey, excuse me, do you know where the waterfall is? waterfall? no, me tarzan, king of jungle. why don't you want to just ask somebody? if you're a couple,
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door into the iphone, specifically to build a software tool that can break the encryption system on every iphone. >> continue i don't see that this way. there are issues about back doors. there's already a door on that iphone. essentially, we're asking apple take the vicious guard dog away. let us try and pick lock. >> you heard it. sca squaring off as the fight between apple and the justice department made its way to capitol hill. unlocking the iphone of the san bernardino jihadi. the fbi says i just want to take the guard dog out of the way. unlock this one iphone. what is so wrong with that? >> there's two things. one is apple is being asked dema demanded, required to create a new version of its operating software to defeat its own encryption.
it's perfectly legal and sets a bad legal precedent. it's not just this one phone. the fbi is asking apple to unlock a dozen other phones in public case, state and local prosecutors have hurricandreds cases to achieve the same thing. who else wants in to other ph e phones? if you do unlock that one iphone, does that automatically mean that the cat out of the bag and now, you can unlock the whole lot? does it mean that? >> as a legal matter, it does. as encryption science progresses, what you don't want is building a back door into everyone's phone because that's a security vulnerability. it would let the fbi in, but also foreign spies, hackers and criminals, so it could weaken
security for all. >> there's a question here about what the biggest, where the big. there's no question in some perfect world the fbi could safely look into the communications of terrorists. on the other hand, if you think about the hack of the office of personnel management of the government, millions of government records probably in the hands of chinese spies, all of the other hacks that we have suffered. these too are major problems for our security, when china or some party hacked into the operating systems of the f-35. that too was a huge breach of security. so encryption -- people think that somehow encryption is a bar to better security. it's, in fact, protecting our security. >> in the age of nuclear terror, we are in that age. don't we want to move heaven and earth to get the authorities' every opportunity to find everything they need to know? >> yeah. i agree. and i think it would be good to know what's in farook's phone.
if we want to protect ourselves. look, we need some rules of the road here. and i think eventually congress is going to have to step in, rather than letting the courts try to sort it out on a case-by-case basis. the internet, when it existed, when it began, was of its nature vulnerable to hackers. the back door, it was -- we all know how easy it is for hackers to get in. the solution has been encryption. it's a solution to a very serious problem. now we have arrived at another dilemma. terrorists can use encryption to protect themselves, just as we are protecting ourselves from them. and i think congress is going to have to somehow sort out this dilemma and create some guidelines for how the national security can be protected. >> joe, politically, it looks like apple is preservinging and putting its own commercial interests above the security interests of the nation. that's the political view. do you disagree with that? >> i think it's a little bit silly. if apple really wanted a test case, i'm sure they could find
more sympathetic -- more sympathetic case than one that features 14 dead americans at a time when public anxiety over domestic terrorism is at an all-time high. >> legally, you're an apple's side on this, correct? >> that's correct. >> legally. and the way out is through new legislation through congress, correct? >> to solve this dilemma. we do need to protect ourselves from these terrorists. >> we've got to take one more break. when we come back, hits and misses of the week. i am benedict arnold, the infamous traitor. and i know a thing or two about trading. so i trade with e*trade, where true traders trade on a trademarked trade platform that has all the... get off the computer traitor! i won't. (cannon sound) in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. i won't. all across the state, the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, and the lowest taxes in decades, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow.
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government's approach to welfare. lifting people out of it, so they can stand on their own two feet. he has won rave reviews across the spectrum. the sad thing, democrats' only definition of passion these days is keeping people forever dependent on government handouts. >> that was a miss. joe, what have you got? >> stewart, a hit this week to scott kelly, the astronaut who returned to work after 340 days in space, the longest stretch for any american. the mission was designed to test the effects of long-term spaceflight on human genetics and physiology. and obviously, this is a hit for scientific advance and scientific progress. but it's also a reminder that if things don't work out with this presidential race, there is always outer space. >> you know, his spine stretched by two inches after a year in weightlessness. extraordinary. >> you have big miss. >> in new york city mayor bill
de blass, beating a big retreat from broken windows policing. this is the idea, you go after minor crimes with the hope of deterring bigger crimes. turns out, the nypd is no longer going to prosecute people for things like littering, public drinking, public urination. so if you miss those days when you boarded a graffitis, stinky train with bums all over the place taking up three seats -- >> that's a miss and a half. dan, what have you got? >> my miss is the "time" magazine in its recent list of the 100 most read female authors on campus, including number 97. of course, the first name was arthur. he is the author of "brides head revisited" and "loved one." number one on the list was the author of "a manual for writing term papers." love that. >> that was a very good one. remember, please, if you have your own hit or miss, be sure to tweet it at jer on fnc. that's it for this week's
show. thanks to my panel and all of you for watching. you can catch me weekdays on varney and company on the fox business network. we start at 9:00 sharp. paul is back next week. hope to see you then. ♪ six candidates and another gut check moment for the white house hopefuls and their supporters. republican voters are casting ballots two days now after what, of course, was a bruising debate in detroit. nice to be with you on this saturday. caucus saturday, primary saturday. i'm leland vittert. >> i'm elizabeth prann. thank you for spenting part of your saturday with us. as pressure builds to stop donald trump's momentum, republican voters are casting ballots in louisiana and caucuses in maine, kansas and kentucky. 155 delegates are on the line. democrats are voting in three