hello, everyone. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." after a big political night yesterday, we have a huge night for you right here on fox news channel. a powerful prime time lineup with a full hour dedicated to each of the four republican candidates. it all starts in just two hours from now at 7:00 p.m. john kasich goes on the record as he makes his case to voters during a town hall with greta van susteren. at 8:00, it stops with the "o'reilly factor." at 9:00, the kelly file to
answer questions. at 10:00 p.m., gop frurnl donald trump fresh off three victories yesterday joins sean hannity. and then at 11:00, a special second hour of the kelly file. on the record town hall with john kasich. greta, a great, great evening tonight. you're kicking it off. what do you want to know from john kasich first? >> you know, what i want to do. i'm hoping for governor came is reintroduce him to the voters. we are down to the line. next tuesday is a very important time for him. he had a big night in michigan. he came in third but only by a hair. i would say he tied for second place. he seems to be the one person who might have a chance. it may be that it is governor kasich and the american people don't know a lot about him. he hasn't got a lot of interviews. not a lot of publicity. i'm hoping to reorient the voters.
they may be interested in him, maybe not. what if donald trump doesn't get 1237 delegates? it will be a brokered convention and that's where we may hear a lot more about governor kasich. remember, cleveland with the rnc, that is his home state. so very exciting here. i hope to earn a lot. i want to ask about the news of the day too. >> last night, john kasich in michigan won late decider. by about 32%. people who decided in the last few days went for kasich. he also apparently has a very good absentee ballot operation. in ohio, you have a lot of snow birds. people who leave the state during the winter. and ohio gop operations, very good at tracking them down and getting the absentee ballots in. i think he does very well.
he does very well connecting with voters but he hasn't been on television. let me tell you. there will be a few came supporters but we have gone out and tried to find all the undecideds, even at this late date. people are trying to make up their minds. what i'm hoping to do is go back to the core issues. the problem is we've gotten to the point in this election where it is hard to tell a lot of the candidates apart on some issues. so this will be his chance to try to distinguish himself and to try to sell himself to voters. the one thing we know about immigration, donald trump wants to build the wall. the other three, we know they want to close the border. it gets foggy, what the differences are. this is his chance to sell himself on these particular issues. he has to win next tuesday and win big next tuesday and i understand there will be a poll coming out later this evening on the fox news channel that may give us a lot of insight as to what's going on in ohio. if he doesn't bring it home in
ohio, he might as well accept the fact that he will be a host in cleveland and not a contender. >> we have the birthday girl with a question. >> hi, greta. i was in detroit. >> you know, kimberly, first, happy birthday, happy birthday, tough to be 29. 30 won't be so bad next year. >> keep changing that license. i appreciate that. i was on your show when i was in detroit and there for the debate. i have to tell you, i came away from that debate thinking, what a great debate. that kasich had. he was very well prepared. the type of person you want to hear more from. people thought, this is someone i want to give a second look to. what will he do to peel away the undecideds so they don't gravitate toward trump? >> i think what he has to do, he has to convince why they should vote for him. not just a candidate but why him instead of trump?
can he deliver? all these politicians give so many promises year after year after year. what he has to do is sell to the american people, to the voter. that he will actually deliver. he has two problems. he has donald trump and bernie sanders on the far left throwing hail mary passes to very angry electorate out there. so he has a tough time telling the american people to go with someone who has been steamed in politics all these years. what he needs to do is emphasize his experience. he was in the house for 18 years. and why that matters. and what he has achieved. that he actually achieved that which he promised. we hear lots of talk. who has actually done something? have you done that for the american voters? tonight he will have a whole hour. this is his big chance, a whole hour. to tell those who are undecided to switch to kasich. >> what's your question? >> this is a question from a viewer, greta.
it was sent to me today. it says, my problem with kasich is that he waited so long to get involved. like a hyena watching. now he's telling everybody to act like an adult. is there some truth to that that he is on the side lines? now he acts like he is above it all. >> that's not the question i was expecting. >> it was from a viewer which means it was intelligent. >> i forgot. a viewer question. not one of your questions. he's playing the elimination game. and senator marco rubio is a big problem. if he doesn't win florida, he's out. he may decide to get out before florida since he probably doesn't want to lose his home state and the polls show he is not doing particularly well there. then you have ted cruz and donald trump duking it out. i suspect, i don't know for sure. what governor kasich is waiting
and letting them eat each other and letting them eliminate each other. if he is left standing, it is donald trump and he's the only other candidate. the so-called gop main stream who seems to be attacking donald trump. they may be throwing their force behind kasich. being the last one standing may be the way to achieve the nomination. >> we have juan more question. >> it looks like john kasich is getting everything on ohio. i thought today, even if he wins ohio, he would have to win 60% of the remaining delegates in order to win the nomination. so my thought is, he's really counting on a brokered convention. that's his strategy. what do you think? >> i think that has to be it. i don't think he will walk away with 1237 delegates at the end of the voting season.
he has to hope that he can deprive donald trump of reaching that mark. he had a to hope for a brokered convention in cleveland this summer. that's the only route for him. i would be surprised if co-reach that mark himself. so i think you're absolutely right. this has to be a brokered convention and he has to be a little bit of a spoiler for donald trump. and he has to, i think, has to hope. supposedly senator marco rubio who has said he is not. let's say that marco rubio together out before next week for florida. and let's suppose that he gets a lot of those rubio votes himself. it puts him in a much stronger position. i should note that senator rubio's campaign says he is staying in all the way. >> thank you so much. thank you. >> following greta's town hall, megyn kelly host her two special events. with cruz cruz and then rubio.
cruz weighs in on the contested controversy. >> a contested convention is a different thing. you go if no one gets 1237 and you have two front-runners. reagan and ford battled it out. that's what conventions are for. if you're fighting between candidates who have earned the votes of the people. and it is the delegates at the convention that have been elected to do that. that's the way the system works. and that is perfectly appropriate. i don't believe we'll need that either. >> so that's what you were alluding to. you said brokered which would mean anyone could come in and be the nominee. the contested being the current available candidates would be the likely nominee. >> right. and you just heard reference to what happened between ford and reagan. that was hot. that was interesting. you look at it historically. that's where reagan loses, but reagan then becomes the driving force in republican politics. sets him up for the next time.
i don't think donald trump wants to wait for the next time. he's 69. you have a party in crisis. >> and in that year, the reagan/ford contested convention. they were both that candidates straight through. >> your thoughts on that one? >> well, one thing about kasich which is the importance of ohio for the republican party. i remember talking to secretary mike levitt when he was head of hhs under the george w. bush administration. i was asking about his first campaign job. it was for ronald reagan. and he was looking forward to traveling all over the country. every time he went back to get an assignment, they would say go to ohio. he finally asked, can i go somewhere else? they said no. nothing else matters. so i think what kasich is doing, one, for his path, whatever it might be, important for him.
i think reminding republicans about the importance of ohio. that it is a must-win. john kerry knew that in 2004. he laments with 60,000 votes in ohio. he would be president. that didn't happen. but ohio is sort of that lynchpin for republicans. >> marco rubio, i'm going to be listening to his attitude. his mentality with less than a week to go before the big important primary on tuesday. >> a lot of people are very curious about it. from what i've heard, the speeches he's given, he seems like he does not want to get out. he vex believed in his candidacy and his ability to be president. that's why he is telling everybody, we can do this together. don't banlton me now. if he does that, he has legs. >> isn't it interesting that donald trump is having ads to attack him?
>> i honestly think the best thing for donald trump would be kasich and rubio staying in at this point. the way it is breaking down. they're beating each other up for points. cruz is beating up rubio. rubio is beating up cruz. and i'll lay it out in the next block. it actually helps donald trump in a whacky way. >> can i talk about the town hall? >> answer your own question. >> so sean will be interviewing donald trump. as you know, sean and i are very close so i often give him some questions. i have some questions for sean answery. how is china killing us? i'm still waiting on the evidence on how china is killing us when the average american income is nine times there. i would like to know, how much an iphone will cost when you start bringing those jobs back. and how will that cost of that iphone affect the crime rate once those phones become scarce and incredibly expensive.
other questions? how can you go after ford about moving their jobs overseas when dozens of your products are made overseas? i think these are good questions you can ask donald trump that people haven't asked. >> we'll leave it right there. a great night on fox. coming up on "the five," big wins for the outsiders. donald trump securing wins in three states. and bernie sanders pulling off a major upset. we break down the results as the race for 2016 sbegs identifies.
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it was a big night for the trump train last night rolling to victory in three out of four states. michigan, mississippi and hawaii. this brings it to 458 for trump, 359 for cruz, 151 for rubio and 54 for kasich. trumped called for unity in the republican party. >> i am a unifier. you look at all the things. i'm a unifier. i get along with people. i think it is time to unify. we have something special going on in the republican party.
unfortunately, the people of the party, they call them the elite. those are the people that don't respect it yet. >> meanwhile, ted cruz vowed to take down the republican front-runner. >> this race, i believe, will end up one-on-one between me and donald trump. and head to head with donald trump. we win. you don't want to hand the general election on a silver platter to hillary clinton and the democrats. furm a jeb supporter, if you are other a marco supporter now, if you're a kasich supporter, we welcome you to our team. >> he's trying to aggregate them all to bring them into the fold in the hopes to derail the train. >> yep. this is what, if there is a big nomination process where you have a lot of contestants, they'll fight amongst each other and then try to unify them. the republican party, perhaps it
is been held together by duct tape and chicken wire for the last several years, under the big ten. now someone came in and grabbed the tent poles. now everybody get together! it won't happen overnight. it sounds like donald trump understands it. he has a way to go and a lot of his followers do. however, you see the poll today that there is a majority of republicans who say this is not my guy, not my candidate. and they're making other choices. it might turn out if he is nominee and that's a whole other ball of watch. for the next seven days, six days until super tuesday, next week. he might try to have that message. we'll see what happens tomorrow night in the debate. the same thing happened last week on the night of the voting, the first super tuesday, march 1st, he had the first press conference with the press there and the cheering crowd and he had the conciliatory tone. two days later they're in a debate. you can't have that tone if you're being attacked. the same thing could happen
tomorrow night. there is a debate before the election on a tuesday. >> what do you think? >> yeah. i think if you crash the party and you break the furniture, you stain the rugs, you have to spring for the damages. i think he means -- >> unless you're a rock band. >> that's true. you throw tv in the swimming pool. i think he believes it is possible. he has to figure out how he'll do that. when you create the rift, your entire campaign has been a disrupt that has succeeded in work. you have to sit back and go, okay. all the people that i've insulted or offended. how do i get those people to see me as a good person. somebody like me who knows him. and i think i kind of know him pretty well. i always thought of him as a good person. i've always enjoyed his company. there are things that did he that really pissed me off. i'm saying as a friend he bothered me. how did he win me back?
>> i think i know the answer. he could be a friend of mine but i could be critical of him. that's very important and different from a lot of people. >> you've mentioned in particular, something that offended you with the statement of john mccain. >> eric, what do you think here? he started this tone more conciliatory. please bring your props. >> hate me, hate the white boards. the numbers don't lie. >> why does it have to be white? juan? >> this white board is not predicting an ohio win yet. here's the deal. the way it breaks down. you have to throw out everything. the numbers don't matter anymore. had going forward interesting race has to be looked at in a different light. these are wins. state and locality. state and territory wins. trump has 15. cruz has 7. the two of them have 92% of the wins. the reason that matters will be on kasich. two to combine. the reason that matters, it is
winner take all in 19 of the next 25 kunl tescontests. you can outscore trump. technically outscore trump and still not win the delegates. at the end of the season, it is not the team scored the most runs who wins the world series. it is the team with the win. the reason i said in the last block why it is helping trump if rubio stays in is because, right now the alternative to trump are three choices. three. if you eliminate this, you only have one. all the establishments, the insider types that don't want trump maybe going to rubio. maybe going to kasich. but if you really want to stop him, you get rid of these. they drop out and you have one alternative. then you can see who will win it. >> here's an alternative view to this numbers chart. one, if you narrow the field to
just tables, last night, it would have been a very close field. the second thing to say. women are not going for it. the third thing, we talk about trump. he had a great night. don't forget cruz, i think he had a surprising night. if you look at the delegate count, cruz is only 100 delegates. >> how are you going to forget that? >> i'm telling you, it does matter. the winner, 25 -- >> don't you have to have a certain number of delegates to claim the nomination? >> 25 contests left. 19 are winner take all. >> seven are winner take all. and then the rest are proportional unless you get over 50%. >> so not exactly correct. >> i eat these numbers.
>> i know, i know nothing. >> even if ted cruz comes really close. >> does anyone have this? i keep hearing two different things. >> believe me. >> pay attention to that. >> winner take all and winner take most are not the same thing. >> they're not. >> for the most part, every race until last night. >> all and most i think webster's would agree are not the same thing. >> absolutely. but very similar. >> do you mean webster or the dictionary in. >> yes, yes. what we'll do, we'll take a quick commercial break. everyone grab your thesaurus, your dictionary, we'll battle it out. bernie sanders scores a surprise upset over hillary clinton in michigan.
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bernie sanders has the momentum coming out of his victory last night. he beat his democratic rival hillary clinton. a major win for the vermont senator considering that clinton led sanders by double dig knits michigan just last week. what does this tell us about clinton's chances for the general election? well, ed henry joins us from miami with more. and i will bring it up here. i'm surprised you came on this show today. and you know exactly what i mean. i'm going to ask you the question. just last week, one of the polls showed hillary clinton at 21% lead over bernie sanders. late deciders went with sanders. do we know what it was that made him decide to go with them? and did it surprise the hillary clinton team to be beaten so badly last night in michigan in. >> it did.
just moments before, the clinton camp said they thought they had michigan. that it was night but they would win. two things are significant. number one, this is the sanders' play book. they've been telling us for weeks. we've been waiting to see what would happen to see if sanders would be for real at this point. once we get it out of the south where clinton is running the table, largely because of the african-american vote. michigan, ohio next tuesday. illinois. because people being upset about the loss of manufacturing jobs and sanders' message, playing into that. much like the trump message is playing into that. he passes the first test. the other thing to watch. look at the exit polls. where democratic voters, clubl rubbles in michigan, are saying an 80-20 margin. if they cared about honesty and trust worthy not, 80% to sanders, 20% to clinton. they want to say there is no
hangover from the e-mail issues. that suggests that even democrats don't find her trustworthy. >> what do you think sanders' idea is for going forward? obviously they're probably encouraged. and his supporters rejuvenated by this big upset and win they had in michigan. so what are the thoughts on the campaign? >> they think they'll do well in the rust belt. for the clinton camp, they feel like don't forget in this state of florida, there is a debate here. on top of that, next tuesday voters go to the polls in florida. and you have a mother lode of delegates. and quinnipiac came out saying, clinton is leading 2-1 over sanders. so i just gave you the sanders' play book that seem to be working in the early stages in the midwest. where i think it has struggled and running on all cylinders is the south. the sanders group has written off the south.
come next tuesday, even if sanders does well in the midwest and some of the battle ground, if clinton cleans up in florida, the math will get very difficult for sanders. >> it is important to point out that democrats last night. african-american democrats went 35% for bernie sanders. his highest percentage to date. >> i think if you had eliminated independents -- >> killed them? >> that eliminated them as voters. clinton would have won among democrats last night. but let's go to the african-american question that dana raised. this whole thing was a shock. i read today. thisbiggest upset in political history going back to new hampshire. and i think it was, i forget what year but a long time ago. my point about the black voters is, you look at i. what is stunning to me, clinton won among black voters. 65-31. we've never seen bernie sanders
get 31% of the black vote. but going into ohio, going into other midwestern and industrial states where black people are suffering high levels of unemployment. it could be that you have a breakdown. that's bad news. talk about a siphon trouble on the dashboard. that's it, buddy. >> i was in cleveland with hillary clinton and there's a large african-american population there. this is what the sanders camp has been saying. it didn't work in the first couple months but maybe it is starting to. he's saying lookering with don't have to beat clinton, but if we take a share, she could have real problems moving forward. >> to throw to it greg. the comment is i'm blown away that hillary clinton lost michigan given the amount of time she spent in flint michigan on the water crisis. that's shocking.
>> are we basically inflating a deflating balloon? we're making this into a really big deal but it really isn't? she's got the nomination. it is fun to talk about though. >> yes and no. i'm trying to be realistic that mathematically, you're right, she has a big mathematical edge. only a small one among pledge delegates. because of super delegates, the party bosses, a big edge and is likely to get the nomination. i don't think we should dismiss the fac among democrats but potential lay big battle ground. talking about putting that state into play for republicans. if she struggles in ohio, what the sanders camp is trying to do, from talking to them, keep this going until june 7. that's when california votes. there are a lot of liberals there who like sanders and they think they can win. there's a mother lode of
delegates there as well. the longer he keeps this going, you're right. clinton is still the odds on favorite for the nominee. but she has more stumbles like last night. this is still a race. up next, if the election was held today, who would win? the numbers are in and we'll have details. i'm billy, and i quit smoking with chantix. i had a lot of doubts going in. i was a smoker. hands down, it was, that's who i was. after one week of chantix, i knew i could quit. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix definitely helped reduce my urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. some had seizures while taking chantix. if you have any of these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of mental health problems, which could get worse or of seizures. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic or skin reaction to it. if you have these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away as some can be life-threatening.
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division surely divides us but it doesn't conquer them. quality still matters in steaks, quality and people. you have to ask these questions. does this person have an optimistic unifying vision for the country. two, does this person offer specifics to realize that vision? three, can this person actually win a general election? trump has the first one hands down. the second, not so much. the third, not yet. he must address his weaknesses. he needs specific, discipline, humility. is that too much to ask? unless you're happy with a candidate who captures the plurality of the republicans but not the majority of americans. to go from one to the other the only path is scrutiny. the dems will surely unload on the front-runner come july. we're talking potential for a huge defeat. why not give them a fighting chance? a friend doesn't let a friend drive drunk. nor does he let him destroy a
party. >> so should the trump campaign be worried? it is early and people maybe don't know him well enough because there are other candidates? or should they be worried? >> let me take it from the other point. the democrats' point of view. you almost think, gee, i think they're rooting for trump. thets he can lose. if you look at the numbers. on the other hand, there has to be a certain sense of be careful what you wish for. trump not only is he bringing out new people but trump is a media phenomenon. as we saw last night with the hour-long coverage. >> you're welcome. >> allow you're welcome? >> how did he become a media phenomenon? >> it is pretty one-sided.
even on issues like terrorism, which you would think national security is a conservative republican issue, clinton leads in plus 14 among general election group. plus 19 on immigration. plus 29 on handling an international crisis. even on the economy. clinton is plus 21 with american women. those are big numbers to overcome. >> do you think it is just too early? >> i think eight months out is a long time out. and don't forget, it is pretty obvious to most that hillary clinton will be the nominee on that side. and there are two who are likely to be the nominee. so once that whittles down to one, i think it tightens up. it tightened up with mitt romney and barack obama. the number become more important.
the comment about why would you want someone with a plurality but not a majority? there's a chance ted cruz to get it. neither one will get a majority. nor will the democrats get a majority? >> i guess you want to get 51% is what i'll trying to say. in. you have to get the electoral college votes. it is a difference and it is frustrating to people but that's the system we have. i think it is a good one. >> what do you make of the polls? >> if you're expected to believe the other poll that show him winning in the united states, if you're the trump team you have to take this seriously and be realistic about it. there's time but not a ton of time. in idaho, that was the only place where the pac that's doing running the ant-trump ads from the republican side. the only state where they ran
ads was in idaho. the only trump loss was in idaho. that's mild compared to what democrats will do for them. >> romney got 60 votes. obama got 65. it is a big gap considering all that juan said. >> news cycle change every single day. there's so much that can happen between now and then. he may have some issues if he ends up being the nominee. it is likely to be hillary. it is all out wear fair. if she gets indict, this is a complete game changer. you would be wanting to see how people react to that. it's a big day on the "the five." i got a hair cut. (avo) my name is pamela and i've been making
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you must be very inexpensive to have at parties. >> i want to eat all of it. >> this is some of my favorite, i had a piece of this yellow cake this week. what does that tell you? >> i we believe over to felix to see if he could get that butter cake. them them we only sell in it slices. >> not are you calling the people who call this show vultures? >> yes. >> there's nothing better than sharing your birthday with your friends. our wonderful producers, thank you. and i want to do on a personal note. great to share a birthday with someone special. a big birthday wish, she has m.s. and she is bedridden. we share a birthday. she is a huge fan of "the five." we want to wish out behalf of the "the five" and fox news channel a very happy birthday.
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pay respects today and tomorrow. the funeral is friday. that is closed to the public. she was a national treasure and she will be missed. hearts, prayers to her family. >> stay right here on fox news channel through the night. john kasich, 7:00 p.m. 9:00 p.m., ted cruz. at 11:00 p.m., marco rubio. at 10:00 p.m., donald trump and sean hannity sent this clip along for us. >> we had no growth. it's unheard of. if china gets down to 7%, it is like they'll have a national catastrophe. if we get our growth to 5%, that's doable. we can pay for everything. we can have plenty of money left over for infrastructure. the infrastructure of our country and also great jobs. >> and don't forget the factor at 8:00 many. remember the series, i
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enlist the help of a friend. let's take a look at these two fellows that are standing behind donald trump. this guy realizes that the best way to control your intake is to have a friend feed you your nachos. before the trump rally in orlando. i thought that was an excellent way to lose weight. it takes twice as long when somebody is feeding you. >> is he available? he is so fun. >> his name is marios lutz. >> juan is up. >> so last night around the globe, people witnessed a rare celestial event. a total eclipse of the sun. only when the earth, moon and sun. philippines, indonesia saw it. then last night on alaska airlines, one of the planes at 37,000 feet got an ideal look.
unbelievable. >> fake! didn't happen! >> that's it for us. this is a fox news alert. in washington thing could not be much better for republican front-runner donald trump. an winning three of last night's four primary season contests, he is in position to knock out two of the three remaining rival in next week's match-ups in ohio and florida. let's get your first look at new fox polls out. trump has a commanding lead in florida. he has more than double the support of marco rubio who faces a win or stay home scenario. in ohio, governor john kasich is also in a must-win situation. he has