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only flonase is approved to relieve both your itchy, watery eyes and congestion. no other nasal allergy spray can say that. complete allergy relief or incomplete. let your eyes decide. flonase changes everything. channel and we'll bring you all the latest. good night from washington. breaking tonight. you are looking live at the streets of chicago, where earlier tonight, violent protests broke out before a rally for presidential candidate donald trump at the university of illinois at chicago. the scene inside the event was described as chaotic. and as the a.p. reported, it seems for the first time the number of protesters equaled that of trump supporters. that reality forcing mr. trump and his team to cancel the event just moments before it was set to begin out of an abundance of caution. we are live on the streets of chicago, for complete fox coverage for you tonight. joining us first with more, jeff flock who is live on the scene.
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jeff, get us up to speed. >> reporter: an extraordinary chicago, a town that's been home to a lot of protests over the past couple of months. but tonight, we're on the street as rallygoers, these are trump rallygoers, they're leaving and being jeered by protesters. but it was an extremely large crowd of protesters that had come to make their voice known against donald trump. i think what shut it down, it's fair to say, perhaps you can hear it, as these people make their way out through this cordon of protesters, i think what did it is there was a large number of protesters that got in. as you know, they've been able to eject individual protesters. this was such a large group, however, a lot of protesters tried to get tickets to the event and not come to the event so it would be a small event. well, others went inside and they were such a large group, it
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became clear nobody was going to be able to eject all of them. at that point, mr. trump and his team made the decision to shut it down. big celebration after that. people here on the streets of chicago, i would say numbering, if not many hundreds, probably thousands of people outside, celebrating that they had, in effect, shut this rally down and silenced mr. trump, at least for tonight. it continues, as you see, these are trump supporters that are shaking their fists at the trump opponents who are being blocked off by police. it's been an extraordinary night in chicago, a town that has had a number of extraordinary protests. >> jeff, what group are the protesters from? are they identifiable? >> reporter: this is an extremely diverse, or at least it has been. it's a very diverse crowd. there are some bernie sanders' supporters.
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students who don't like the fact or don't like the fact that donald trump was going to be on their campus holding a rally. young, old, certainly democrats in the crowd. i talked to a few republicans in the crowd who said they just didn't want donald trump as their nominee, and didn't want his brand of hate speech to be heard in their town. and they felt they needed to come out and be heard themselves. >> are we able to speak with any of them, or are the cops keeping the media away from the people? >> reporter: they're on the other side of the street right now, but let's see if i can -- we've got people on both sides of the street. i probably don't want to go off and get in the midst of the crowd there, but maybe the police would -- well, no, there are people coming by. the police have moved over to keep people apart. you talk about violence. there's been scattered violence outbursts, but largely not a problem. police have done a very good job of keeping people, protesters
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and trump enthusiasts apart. dutch, walk over here with me so we can show megyn, if we can, the folks that are protesting here. here's a guy holding a sign, quite well dressed. can you tell me, sir, why you're here tonight? >> i'm here in support of bernie sanders, and against the policies that donald trump has. >> reporter: why did you think it was important for you to be heard tonight? >> because i'm a youth. this is my first year, election year that i'm allowed to vote and i wanted to make my voice heard. >> reporter: do you feel in doing this, you have shut down mr. trump's first amendment rights to be heard? >> i feel as if the people gave a reaction adequate of what they were feeling. so if the city felt trump didn't reflect what they wanted, let the city speak. >> reporter: megyn, this is what has also been going on. this is a trump supporter here, and these are folks that are
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opposed. they've been having debates on the street all night. >> news fox, news fox, news fox. >> can you say something the >> fox news, fox news. >> reporter: why are you here tonight? >> because donald trump doesn't like chicago and his bull -- ideas. you can pan the camera around. i'm very proud to be a chicagoan today. >> i'm a usc alumni, you -- hole. >> reporter: let's try to keep the language down. these kind of debates have been going on, on the streets of chicago all night tonight. trump supporters, folks that oppose, and there has not been any violence. interesting to see this sort of thing kind of just take place before our eyes and cameras tonight. >> i don't know that gentleman is making the impression he
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wishes to make in opposing the candidate he opposes. jeff, good to see you. we'll be right back to you. stay safe. i want to get to john roberts who is also in chicago. john, what do you know? >> reporter: hey, megyn, good evening to you. john is a trump supporter. he's one of the lone trump supporters in a sea of anti-trump folks. john, why are you supporting donald trump? >> only one reason -- there's only really one reason i support him, that would be his economic plans. i feel that money speaks everything. what i feel is that money speaks -- i'm sorry, i can't speak. >> reporter: hey, guys, give him a chance to speak and we'll come to you in a second. let him speak. tell us why you're supporting donald trump. >> money speaks a lot. if we look in the case of hillary clinton, her money and endorsements, they speak -- they -- i'm sorry, i can't speak
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with all of this. >> reporter: i understand. you have a lot of people behind you trying to disrupt you. you were here to see him clearly tonight. are you disappointed that you didn't get a chance to see him? >> yeah, i was disappointed. unfortunately there was a gentleman that came up and took over the stage and it was disappointing to see a lot of -- i'm not saying all of them, but these protesters say there's hate here. however, i feel that they demonstrated hate when we came here peacefully. i came with a ticket, and obviously they did, as well. but i just feel that this is hypocrisy and i don't feel right about it. >> reporter: what is the hypocri hypocrisy, the fact that they're shutting down donald trump's first amendment right to free speech and your ability to listen to him? >> aside from that, just the hate factor. they said that, you know, he's
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hating against certain groups. however, this -- i'm sorry [ crowd screaming ] >> reporter: that's okay. just keep your eyes on me. >> i feel like as soon as the riot began, i don't want to call it a riot, but as soon as it began, protesters began taking supporters signs and it was devastating to see. everyone was there peacefully to see trump. and just to see such like hate and violence, you know, it was a bit of hypocrisy. it was disappointing. >> reporter: john, thank you for talking to us. really appreciate it. we'll see if -- there was a fellow that wanted to express his views, but i can't see him now. he seems to have disappeared. megyn, if i find him i'll get back to you. >> john, just get us updated. this began at a trump rally.
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he was going to rally the crowd there. illinois is a big state on super tuesday. did it ever get off the ground or had the protesters infiltrated from the start and then what happened? >> reporter: i wasn't here in the early going of this, because i actually flew up from st. louis, missouri, with donald trump on his 757, landed and came here during the horrible chicago traffic. got here just about half an hour before the rally was supposed to start. it was supposed to start at 6:00 central time. 6:00 went by. 6:30 went by. the crowd seemed to be fairly peaceful, but you could tell there was some undercurrent going on. mr. trump told me we're expecting a huge crowd in chicago, maybe 25,000, 30,000 people in a building that only holds 10,000. i'm getting indications, he told me, that it could be rough. maybe he was reflexing just on the nature of chicago politics, looking back at the 1968 protest
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that happened here, or he had some intel that maybe from the secret service or his advance team that there were a lot of protesters in the crowd. but where we normally see 20, 30 protesters in a large trump event, there were hundreds of protesters embedded in this crowd. they knew once he got on the stage, there was going to be trouble, megyn. the fact that there were thousands of people outside, many protesters across the street, shouting taunts. the potential for violence was such that the chicago police got with the secret service and said, probably better if we postponed this for another time. and maybe another venue, because you're here at the university of illinois. obviously, there are a lot of different aspects to the political discourse that goes on here. it's quite a mosaic of political views. if you come back here again to do another valley, i expect the same thing might happen all over again. >> moveon.org had been
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encouraging people to show up at these protests. this is this a moveon crowd? >> reporter: i don't know if it's a moveon crowd. i mean, it could be. but most of the people here that we heard from vocally seem to have been bernie sanders supporters. a lot of black lives matter supporters, some folks with a mexican flag. but you're dealing with a very large student body. you know that student bodies are ryryry diverse in their politic thinking. a lot of people tilting to the left side of the political fence and they just wanted to make sure views known. and they thought that perhaps in the way that marisa johnson, the black lives matter activist in seattle when she shut down a bernie sanders event in front of a very progressive crowd, this crowd wanted to shut down donald trump's right to free speech, and they certainly have accomplished their goal tonight,
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megyn. >> and you can see the disappointment on that young man's face talking about how it was unfair. it's not how it's supposed to work. >> reporter: he was obviously very disappointed. people who are exiting the parking dpraj hepark ing garage here, all the people going to this event parked in that garage. so you have trump supporters coming out and the crowd yelling at them. but this young man, over here holding his donald trump sign, he's definitely very firm in his political beliefs, but he was definitely getting intimidated by the people behind him. let's talk to this fellow for a second. come on over here. you're clearly not in the trump camp. what were you here tonight to do? >> i would rather not answer that question. >> reporter: why don't you just answer with your sign?
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veterans for trump? >> they gave me the sign. i was a chris christie guy. before that, i was ben carson before they started washing him down. too bad. he was a good man. >> both chris christie and ben carson are with donald trump. were you at the rally tonight? >> couldn't get in. >> reporter: you were one of the thousands of people out here on the streets waiting to get in? >> yeah. >> reporter: what do you think of the fact the protesters shut this down? >> the beauty of freedom of speech it allows people to reveal what complete imbicils they are. >> reporter: hey, let's keep it clean. >> in 1980, ronald reagan came to my high school when i was 14, 15 years old. as a sophomore in 1980 on halloween, reagan came to my high school. and we got to hear what he had to say. that's all i wanted to do is hear what he had to say. we had one protester. people let the guy talk.
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now you got these little children like this, i don't like you, they won't let me even listen to a guy to see if i want to see what he has to say. i want to see what he has to say unfiltered by the media, instead of little clips, like when he said about muslim immigration, he said until we figure out what the hell is going on. when you turn on news clips, all you hear him say is everything up to that point. let me hear it unfiltered. but instead you have all these people shutting us down. you can't even listen. i was for chris christie and then ben carson before that. >> reporter: as you know, donald trump is a polarizing figure. did you expect something likepe where this rich and diverse opinions? >> i didn't think it would be this bad. i saw people on facebook talking about going here and getting tickets so people wouldn't show up. they were hoping for an etchty hall. how sad is that? just go.
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see what he's got to say. speak out the opinions you don't like. maybe a light will come on, or maybe you're be more reassured you're right. either way, let a person talk. and instead you have this. what this country has come to since 1980, when people just let reagan talk, to this. >> reporter: thank you for speaking with us. young lady, come on over here. you're making a lot of noise. come and talk to me, instead of just yelling and shouting obscenities. what's your name? why did you want to shut down the donald trump rally tonight? >> because i don't want to give my reasons. i really don't. >> reporter: you don't want to tell us why? >> i don't want to give out my reasons. >> reporter: anybody want to give us the reasons as to why they wanted to shut this down? all right, we'll forgive you. megyn, back to you. >> john, thank you. joining me now by phone, dr. ben
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carson, who endorsed donald trump just today. and dr. carson, your reaction to seeing the scenes on the streets of chicago tonight? >> well, you know, it's very sad that so many particularly of the younger generation are being taught that if you don't like what somebody has to say, you have the right to interfere with their freedom of speech. this is a very dangerous precedent. and i think it's probably a place where the media can actually do some good. they can start talking about some of our basic freedoms, like freedom of speech and why it's important since they're obviously not being taught that in school. >> and you know what the other side always says, when we the media or anybody else raises the issue of first amendment speech in this kind of situation, they talk about their right to protest, and their right to be heard in the manner in which
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they see fit. >> well, everybody's rights stop at the point where it interferes with someone else's right. the famous saying, your right to swing your fist stops at my nose. so obviously if your expression is shutting down somebody else's planned expression, you're interfering with their rights. that's something people need to be taught. i don't think that is being taught in a lot of the universities now. you see the professors themselves manifesting the same type of intolerance. and they're teaching that tolerance is only one way, and one direction. they don't have to extend it to anybody else. >> doctor, you know that donald trump's critics, well, they're not going to say, they've already said that he invited this, that he has encouraged violence at some of his rallies, he's had harsh language about punching protesters in the face
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and yesterday there was an unfortunate incident where one of the attendees punched an african-american man in the face, seemingly unprovoked, and later said he should have killed him. there is anger about the tenor and tone that we've seen at some of these rallies. >> and there's no question that those of us in leadership positions should be attempting to calm people down and teach people to respect each other. and not encouraging, you know, them in the other direction. and that's something that we all need to be thinking about. but it's going to be a huge problem for our country if we don't do something about it now. a house divided against itself cannot stand. and i personally believe that, you know, this works in favor of those who want to fundamentally change america. >> what about that, dr. carson? because you all along -- this is
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an interesting dynamic between you and mr. trump. we had political analysts talk about how you were both outsiders, but you were sort of polar opposites. he's the big personality and full of bombast and says things like, punch them in the face. you're this gentle soul who was also an outsider but a gentle soul who wanted to calm the conversation down. i remember once asking how do you get people to listen to you? and you said, talk quieter. >> softly. >> yeah, talk softly and try to lower the temperature. what do you see here as an opportunity for mr. trump when it comes to leadership? >> i think this is a perfect opportunity for him to talk about the fact that this nation is founded on a number of rights, and when we talk about the bill of rights, begin to emphasize and talk about that, and to indicate that just
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because you disagree with what someone says, on either side, the right side or the left side, you don't have the right to interfere with their ability to say it. and if he starts saying that, and he encourages, you know, hillary and bernie to start saying that, and, you know, get it to be a common thing to talk about, i think it will have an effect on the atmosphere. >> one thing we're seeing is, this doesn't appear to be all black lives matters protesters or a racial issue. it seems to be mixed groups -- >> i don't think they even know what they're protesting about. you saw there couple of protesters and they asked them, what are you protesting about? "i don't want to talk about it" and i don't think they know. >> one does wonder but there
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was -- >> there was a man before that that said the same thing. >> in trump's defense, we saw an interview with our own jeff flock with a very angry, rude punk who was swearing on national television, getting right up in the face who was clearly a trump supporter and antagonizing him. clearly whether that's the best ambassador for the brand trying to oppose what they claim is too much anger and bombast. you see this happen, dr. carson, we've seen black lives matter protests under president obama. and it just feels like what we're seeing from the electorate this go around is they are angry. there are so many americans angry right now. >> they are angry. and it's up to the leadership to take responsibility to give them some perspective and to calm them down. that's what leaders do. and that's leaders on both sides
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have that responsibility. and if they don't do it, we're going to suffer significant consequences. it's going to be a long, hot summer, and we don't need that. now is the time to be thinking about it. and now is the time to stop that from occurring. >> we're looking at chicago in march. we're a few months away from cleveland in july. >> exactly. >> we'll see what that brings. doctor, thank you for joiqning s tonight. >> thank you, megyn. it's been an extraordinary scene on the streets of chicago and you tip your caps to the chicago p.d. they know how to handle a crisis and they train for it and they're professionals. and you can see just watching john roberts' live shot earlier where the cops were lined up, shoulder to shoulder, the horses were lined up, one after the other. managing the crowd. there you can see some of that on screen right now. it appears things have settled down.
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these were violent protests. people were angry and there was some moments of violence. but not too many, and it's been very well controlled. i want to tell the audience that we are getting word that donald trump may speak momentarily and ted cruz may speak momentarily. they're appearing at an event, at least cruz is, and trump possibly maybe. we're trying to find out whether this initial report is true. there's a republican dinner in rolling meadows, illinois, and we are expecting ted cruz to speak in moments. we'll see if he addresses this, as more and more members of this presidential race or participants in this presidential race appear to be weighing in. you can bet we'll hear from hillary clinton and bernie sanders, who may have a thing or two to say. they've already -- president obama has already gone after donald trump. in fact, just tonight he went after donald trump and unleashed on him. pretty feisty remarks about him tonight. and so all eyes for the moment
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are on donald trump and how he handles this situation in chicago where his first amendment free speech rights have been shut down. the right of those to listen to him. and as that one gentleman put it so well, i just wanted to hear him for myself. that was shut down by folks who have an agenda, and that's fine. you can depose donald trump, go for it. but is this the way? is this the way to shut down the ability of chicagoans and those who have travelled in some cases for miles and miles and waited for hours and hours to get in, to have their say and hear him for themselves, for all these people know they weren't trump supporters. maybe that gentleman would have walked away saying he's not for me, but we'll never know now. we saw this with ben shapiro who went to a university to talk about free speech. and what did those who opposed
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his message? they shouted him down loudly, angril angrily. they set off the fire alarm so he could not be heard. so his message, which may have run contrary to that on campus, could not be heard. this is what we've seen over and over this year. look at the anger. look at this, the punches being thrown. you can see the tempers run high. and dr. carson has a strong message for those watching this events, these events and the leaders involved, which is let's lower the temperature. let's lower the temperature. you know the anger is running hot in this country right now. on that score, i'm joined by katrina peterson, a spokesperson for donald trump. your thoughts on what we're seeing tonight? >> hi, megyn. you know, all of america can see just how we are losing our
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country. as you mentioned, this was an opportunity for mr. trump to exercise his free speech, because people who wanted to hear him. and he was shut down. this is interesting, we see social media, some of these socialist groups who are pushing people to come and attempt to shut this down, the reports of moveon.org being involved. and you can see very clearly on the inside where people were bernie sanders' supporters. they were taking other trump people's signs and ripping them up and throwing them around and this is what we know from the left. this is the rules for radicals on full display. ridicule, keeping on the pressure, create the threat, because the threat is more terrifying. violence on the other side pushes people to sympathize with you. you pick your target and personalize it and this is how the left operates. >> to what extent, i asked you about this, which has been brought up elsewhere, to what
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extent do you believe that trump's own rhetoric at his own rallies and some of the violence we have seen at his rallies, some of the clashes with his protesters, who often are african-american, has fed into what we are seeing tonight? >> mr. trump has always said to handle protesters with care in every event that we have -- >> wow, katrina -- >> they always tell them what to do if there are protesters. and he has said things off the cuff. but nothing serious. and i got to tell you this, megyn, mr. trump is not responsible for other people's actions. as we have mentioned, there are people in this country who are very angry, because they have not been heard. their rights have been ignored. they've been ridiculed by their own president. how much is that rhetoric -- >> but that's no excuse for
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violence. and trump wasn't always joking. you could hear him irritated by the protesters, and explicitly saying -- encouraging folks to go after protesters in some situations, saying i'll pay the legal bills, saying in my day they would have been brought out on a stretcher, "punch them in the face." and one protester yesterday punching an african-american protester in the face. he wasn't throwing punches. >> and that also wasn't serious when mr. trump said that. but we don't hear the media coverage of previous rallies. there are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to these rallies and we never see when the protesters throw themselves into a crowd of mr. trump's people, start swinging and thrashing, because they do need organized events to try to create chaos. this is what we call organized chaos. a lot of people are already familiar with it. this is something that americans
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need to be paying attention to. because if we do not stop this issue right now, and elect someone that is going to fight for the freedom of speech and that's going to protect americans against the will of all of these special interest groups that feed into these socialist a isist organizations going to lose our country. >> katrina, thank you. the streets of chicago remain, as she put it, chaotic tonight. and this is not at all what the trump campaign had in mind, what those 25,000 poem weople who sh up to hear donald trump had in mind, although it appears what moveon and many others, bernie sanders supporters, republicans who have an objection to donald trump, and what are we seeing on the right side? we're awaiting ted cruz, who was scheduled to make remarks.
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want the candidate to speak and who eventually got their way. here you can see some of the scenes as we watch jubilant protesters cho s cheering their victory at shutting down the rally. they're not all democrats, we are told there are some republicans, some black lives matter folks, some moveon.org folks upset about what they have seen at some of his rallies recently. and you can see some of the signs, no hate, no racism, no trump. some of the remarks donald trump made earlier about slow to condemn the kkk and david cuduk have upset many. you can see tensions are running high. joining me now on the phone is another presidential candidate in this race, and that is marco rubio of florida, who is also
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looking to pick up some delegates here in the state of illinois on tuesday. this is why they're having rallies here, because illinois is one of the states that will vote on super tuesday. senator rubio, thank you for joining us by phone. your thoughts on what we're seeing in chicago if >> it's a very disturbing night for a lot of reasons. let me just thank the police department in chicago. tonight is a reminder that our men and women who seven us in the police departments in law enforcement are always on the front lines dealing with this. second, it is clear. this is chicago. protesters are an industry. it is clear just from watching some of these images this was an organized, orchestrated effort on the part of groups that want to disrupt an event, and chicago is a hub of that kind of activity. but people have a right, whether you disagree with them or not, and i disagree with many of the things that donald trump says. i'm running against him for president. but you don't have a right to ache away the first amendment
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right of people to speak freely. i think you've seen some of this on college campuses recently. there was an article that ben shapiro tried to speak on a campus. they basically shut him down. so this is crossing over into the broader society and it's problematic. no one is blameless here. i wouldn't say mr. trump is responsible for the events of tonight, but he most certainly in other events has used some pretty rough language and encouraging the crowd, saying things like, in the good old days we used to beat these people up, or i'll pay your legal bill it is you rough them up. so i think he bears some responsibility for the general tone. as far as what's happening tonight, clearly this is an orchestrated event, some of them are probably being paid. it's sad to see these images. it clearly, there's some level of ethnic and racial divide in how this is playing out on television. i just think it reflects very poorly on our country.
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i think it's sad all the way around tonight, i really do. i'm very sad for our country. >> when you made reference to mr. trump's language, a lot of people think it's funny. they think that's kind of funny the stuff he says, like oh, punch them in the face. these people are trying to disrupt the rallies, people show up now to his rallies with signs that they've already written out that read "get them out," because that's what trump says, and sometimes he adds more colorful language. >> when you want to be president -- one of the appeals of donald trump i believe is he says what a lot of people wish they can say. he says it on a big platform and they love it. the problem is, when you're going to be president of the united states or when you're running for president or when you are president, you can't just say whatever you want. words have real consequences. donald trump has a big platform right now. he's the front runner in the republican party and everybody is paying attention and these
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are words with consequences. i am not telling you what happened tonight is something i blame him for because i will tell you those people that are there are professional protesters, in and array of different protester groups. i guaranty some of these people are being paid to do that, and you can see it in the interviews, as well. but he does bear responsibility for some of the other things that have happened at these events, including people being punched in the face, allegedly a reporter being roughed up the other day. i think that's blame to go around here and -- we are entering a disturbing moment in political discourse that is reaching a boiling point that i believe has very significant repercussions, not just for the election, but for the future of the country. we are being ripped apart at the seams as a nation and people. i think the president bears some blame as well in terms of the rhetoric he's used. >> how do you think this pour
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tends for 2016 race, both the primaries on tuesday and the general election in november? >> i don't know, i haven't given it a thought. the bigger issue is what's happening in america right now. look, there's real significant anger and frustration at the direction of our country. people feel every major institution has let them down, the political parties, the political process. people are hurting and they're upset and angry. i think it's the job of leaders not to stoke that anger, but to use that anger and channel it in a way that allows us to reach solutions, opposed to stoking that anger in a way that drives us to a political victory on a given election year. president obama has spent the last eight years dividing americans along haves and have-nots, along ethnic and racial lines, gender lines to win elections. this has gone to the next level here, and we're seeing the
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consequences of it. and that, in combination with the fact that i think there's a need to remind people that the first amendment allows people to disagree with issues and say things you don't agree with, which is obviously being lost here. and then this sense here on the left that if you don't like what someone is saying, you have the right to shut them down, as you see happen on many college campuses across america. and you saw there tonight in chicago. >> it will be interesting to hear more from trump, he has defended some of his fans at times violent behavior by saying they're very angry. and it is clear that some of the people protesting this rally tonight and what trump has said and what he stands for, they are very angry, too. you know, there's a question about how they should be responded to. senator rubio, thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you. joining me now with more, another republican candidate for
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president, ted cruz -- no, i'm sorry. he's speaking live. let's listen to him. >> we will have a respectful, substantive, issues-based discussion. we can have differences in terms of how to turn this country around. we have genuine and real differences, but we can do so in a way that appeals to our better angels instead of our worst. that seeks to pull us together and unite us instead of tear us apart. you know, we've seen for seven years a president who often at times in crisis has sought to divide us, sought to divide us on racial and ethnic lines, on religious and class lines. america's better than this. we don't have to tear each other apart. instead, we can work together
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for positive, proactive solutions for the real problems face thing country. americans want jobs. we want our wages going up. we want opportunity again for young people. and we ought to be having a positive, meaningful discussion about what policies will expand opportunities for the next generation to achieve the american dream. [ inaudible question ] >> i think the decision should be based on public safety. but i think a campaign bears responsibility for creating an environment, when the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence to punch people in the face. the predictable consequence of that is it escalates. and today is unlikely to be the last such instance. we saw earlier today in st. louisver 30 arrests.
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that's not how our politics should occur. you know, the city of chicago in 1968, saw some ugly days when politics descended into hatred and instability and even violence. it is my hope in 2016 we can appeal to our better angels and avoid going down that road once again. [ inaudible question ] >> you know, the end of the day, defining donald trump's policies is a difficult endeavor. [ laughter ] because donald speaks about jobs going overseas, but when asked for a policy to fix it, he has yet to propose one. other than his magic cure-all of negotiate better deals. we'll have better deals to solve every problem. you know, i don't think that is a meaningful solution to the problems we're facing.
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i think we need economic policies to bring jobs back, to bring wages up. my campaign has from day one been focused on policy. we fix the economy by lifting the burdens on small businesses, because 2/3 of all new jobs come from small businesses. we do that through repealing obamacare, through pulling back the federal regulators that are making it harder and harder for small businesses to survive. and we do that through passing a simple flat tax and apobolishin the irs. those are meaningful policies. [ applause ] [ inaudible ] >> look, today what i'm focused on is an appeal to civility in the democratic discourse. it was nice last night at the debate, that the debate did not feature the candidates insulting each other, making derogatory comments about each other's physical appearance, about their
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body parts, about spray tans. but that's not what politics is supposed to be about. politics at the end of the day is not about any of the candidates. it's to the about you. it's not about donald. it's not about hillary or bernie. it's about you. it's about the american people. it's about our kids and the future of this country. >> senator, why is illinois important on tuesday? >> illinois is tremendously important on tuesday. tuesday is a big election, it's a big election nationwide and illinois is a battleground. right now here in the state of illinois, donald trump and i are running neck and neck. we are effectively tied. and we are campaigning hard for support here in illinois. this race has now become a two-than race. there are only two candidates that have any credible path to becoming the republican nominee. it takes 1237 delegates to become the republican nominee. i have 361. donald has 460.
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he has 99 more than i do. nobody else is remotely close. and illinois will be allocating delegates and if allocated by congressional district, this is a battle delegate by delegate by delegate, we intend to earn 1237 delegates, and beat donald trump, not at a convention, but beat donald trump at the ballot box. and illinois is going to have a critical choice. if you are an illinois republican and you don't think donald trump is the best choice to go head-to-head with hillary clinton, if you recognize at 65 to 70% of republicans do, that donald trump loses to hillary clinton, then i encourage you to unite behind our campaign, because our campaign is the only campaign that can beat donald trump for the republican nomination. indeed, we're the only campaign that -- [ applause ] [ inaudible ]
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>> -- are you urging the voters of ohio to vote for john kasich because if kasich doesn't win and trump does, you're dead? >> i am not remotely. i am urging the voters of ohio and florida and illinois and missouri and north carolina -- >> and ohio. >> i started with ohio. that was the first i listed. i'm urging the voters to vote for me, to beat donald trump. this is not a game of playing back and forth. this is an election that will be decided by the people. and at this point, you know, there are folks in washington, washington establishment is salivating at the prospect of a brokered convention where they try to parachute in some washington establishment choice, because they don't like what the voters have done. i think that would be catastrophic. that would truly cause a revolt among the voters. if you want to beat donald trump, and trust me, i want to beat donald trump, because i think if he's the nominee we
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lose to hillary clinton and we lose the supreme court for a generation. we lose the bill of rights. if you want to beat donald trump, the way to beat him is at the ballot box. at this point, our campaign has beaten him eight separate times from coast to coast, literally from alaska to maine. we have beaten donald trump over and over and over again. and so we are working hard to earn the votes of the men and women of illinois and ohio and all across this country, we are running a national campaign, in every state, and if you were supporting another candidate, you know, a year ago we started out with 17 candidates. it was a wonderful, talented, rich field. and yet the field has narrowed. maybe you were supporting jeb bush or chris christie, or rand paul or mike huckabee or ben carson or carly fiorina or maybe
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now you're thinking about supporting marco rubio or john kasich. every one of them are good, honorable, decent people. people who i like and respect. and yet none of them have any path to beating donald trump. and so if you're a voter here in illinois and you do not want to see donald trump as the nominee, i ask you to join us, even if you were supporting another candidate, come, let's stand together, unite. we will have a campaign that is focused on issues and policy and substance that lays out a vision, a vision for america of jobs, of freedom, of security. a vision of america that raises wages for everyone who is struggling. a vision of america where the president doesn't do the bidding of the special interests and the lobbyists in washington, but fights, as i've done every day, for the hard-working taxpayers, for the working men and women of this country who have been left behind. we will bring back morning in america if only we stand together. [ applause ]
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>> ted cruz! >> ted cruz making clear that candidates making clear that candidates do bear some responsibility for what happens at their events. pointing out that earlier today in missouri at a trump rally, 30 people were arrested and we have seen growing unrest at many of these events. i want to get to chris and barry bennett waiting and came in tonight to comment on what we're seeing here. chris, let me start with you. as the guy that knows more about politics than anybody i've ever known. when's going on? what's going on here? >> well, when's going on is probably pretty predictable. which is that donald trump has fired up people and that the people who take a different
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point of view gotten fired up on their own part. i think in the short term what you will see beneficial to trump in the sense that -- you see the pictures of the trump bros there and the cell phones out. they came to see the show. they want to see the fight, the action. his rallies promise those fights. his rallies promise that violence. it is an enticement for people who want to feel that fire. and i think probably in the short term for his supporters this is an enticement and it says that they're against us and rioting against us and we're for it. and then the question is, and this is the more significant question for his campaign, when you hear what senator rubio says, when you hear what senator cruz says and republicans think, do we want to do this until november? do we want to have it this way? for trump're core supporters believing in the message and him and see the show an punch him and do whatever you have to do,
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when they swing at you, you swing back, trump said yesterday or yesterday, for the people that want that, this is going to fire them up more ant intensify but the republicans have to ask themselves, is this what they want to do until november? >> what do you think, barry? i mean, the question is whether these rallies are becoming a powder keg to the danger of those present. >> well, what we saw tonight were, you know, several hundred organized protesters probably professional protesters who rushed an auditorium and took the stage because they all believed that their free speech is more important than ours. and, you know, i think that's disgusting but it happens on college campuses every day. you know? i mean, we hear stories even in washington of pentagon officials being kept out of universities, you know, reporters and authors being kept out of universities and shouted down by the left who they say they they're for free speech but they're not. they're only for their speech.
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we can't allow new to happen. both sides have to happen that you're entitled to your own ideas and if those ideas enflame you, then hold a press conference, write a book. start a blog. but don't go in and try to silence other people. i mean, that's what we are seeing tonight. you know, i heard marco rubio say that we need to be more politically correct which, goodness gracious, that's the scareiest thing i've heard a republican candidate say all yearlo yearlong. >> i think he is talking about the comments of punch him in the face. punch him in the face. take him out on a stretcher they. >> don't believe that we should build a wall, secure our borders, they don't believe in the things that conservative republicans believe in. that's why they came. >> i think that's probably right. don't you think that's right, chris? not that the protesters showed up because of that language bah the language can gin up the preexisting anger of those
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already in attendance at the trump rallies. >> i think if you used the same lanlg wang of a world wrestling entertainment match, if you used the same smackdown talk then protesters know that they can come get on camera because they become part of the show. right? so dlmp -- >> absolutely. >> -- makes them part of the show. come and see. come and see the beatings. come and see the fighting. come and do it. he plays it up. he likes to talk about it. he used to work with trogsal wrestling and using the same language and the people come and we would not be surprised when protesters, when you turn the cameras own and every cable network, every channel and everybody is tuned right in and donald trump says, violence and you will see fighting and you will see beatings and it will be intenses and don't be surprised at that point, especially in chicago, illinois, for god's sake, of any city in america that you would see protests show up and say let's do it. >> trump's defense, he even last
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night at the debate tried to soften the message and those who support him and said that he doesn't want it to end in violence. for either side as he put it. you know? we have seen a couple of events. tonight, we had an extensive, exclusive interview of michelle fields for breitbart, a pro-trump website and she claims that she was assaulted by trump's campaign manager and actually filed a criminal complaint and video appears to be the incident and teed up for you. we won't get to that tonight. we'll show it to you perhaps on monday we'll do that. but there have been more and more things and you heard ted cruz or marco rubio reference it. we have got rich lowry on the phone. rich, i know that, you know, you are the editor of national
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review and you national review came out against trump and endorsed ted cruz. it seems tough to pin this on donald trump, however, as a political matter where we have seen so much anger in the country boiling over for a past year. >> yeah, well, the first thing and most important thing to say about this is that it's wrong in a free society to disrupt and shut down a political rally. period. full stop. this is a mob. there's no other word for it. and it's disgusting. but i have to say, you know, this is just one event. you don't want overdramatic about it but you begin to get the feeling there's something irreparable breaking in our political culture. >> what is it? and what do we do about it? >> we're just so polarized. we're so racialized. to see black and white people shoving and punching people at this event.
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it's just so ugly. and so depressing. and there's no healer or uniter on the horizon. >> well, there was. i mean, i will say that that was the message brought by ben carson. who wound up getting rejected by the voters. john kasich tries to offer that mess an and didn't gain traction in the race. you know, the electorate seems to be going in the other way. >> trump benefited most because he played to very real passions out there. and he thrives on the polarization and we'll see it after this event. if anyone thought that donald trump was dominating the media prior to this, just wait until the wall to wall coverage of him this weekend and it's very likely he's going to benefit from it and if there's some, you know, significant percentage of republicans who look at this and understandably are disgusted by
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it and react against it and vote for trump when they wouldn't necessarily on tuesday and trump is now a martyr to free speech, that could be a devicisive impa on this race. >> how do you see it playing out in november? say it goes forward. you have trump was, you know, make america great again and then hillary with make america whole again. he is out there acknowledging he's angry and supporters. she she is saying we need more love. if they become the respective nominees, where does this kind of thing go? >> well, it is just highly charged and highly negative race. and you look at george w. bush in 2000 and barack obama in 2008. both of them were fresh and new on the national stage. and both of their electoral appeal based partly on not being hated by the other side. not being threatening to the
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other side. george w. bush sold himself as a compassionate conservative. barack obama, it's easy to forget now, but sold himself as a moderate pragmatist in 2008. neither hillary clinton or donald trump if he's the nominee will be able to do that. they're both highly polarizing figures, unfavorable ratings off the charts. if it's the two of them, it will be one of the most negative and ugly campaigns in american history. >> on that note, rich, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> thank you for calling in. think about where we are right now as a country. 2008, barack obama ran on a platform of hope and change. he was the one who was going to go to washington and change the culture there and unite the country. there is no blue america. there is no red america. he expressed it at the state of the union one of the regrets was language that was too divisive and he hadn't made good on the
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promise of hope and change and here we sit march of 2016 as rich put it black versus white, democrat versus republican, republican versus republican.

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