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rally there in bloomington, illinois. look at the crowd starting to pull in. >> protesters on social media say they are outside of this event and ready to protest. >> disrupters are trying to make the crowd smaller. they haven't done a very good job of that just yet. >> see you next weekend. good morning, candidates kicking their campaign into another gear. two days before critical primaries. in florida and ohio. hi, everyone, i'm maria bartiromo. welcome to "sunday morning futures." former presidential candidate carly fiorina now backing ted cruz will tell me how the texas senator hopes to gain ground on donald trump this upcoming tuesday. how political analysts hack into decisions voters make at the poll. a focus group on what they are hearing. isis carries out another atrocity in the middle east just days after we learned the
chemical weapons chief was caught. jack keen will join me as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures." marco rubio and ted cruz racking up wins this weekend. rubio won the republican presidential caucuses in washington, d.c. earning him 10 delegates this weekend. ted cruz winning most of the delegates at state in wyoming picking up nine of 12 in the state. take a look at the total delegate count. trump is in the lead with 460 delegates. cruz in second place with 370. rubio a distant third with 163 and kasich far behind with 63 delegates. with over 350 delegates on the line tuesday will it be make-or-break for any of these candidates? joining me right now is carly fiorina former hewlett-packard ceo, former 2016 presidential candidate and a ted cruz supporter.
great to see you this morning. i want to begin on what we're watching live here, we're waiting on a rally that donald trump is about to lead and of course we saw what happened yesterday with the violence and the protesters, one protester throwing something at donald trump on stage, fights breaking out. what are you thoughts on what's going on in term of these protesters getting violent to try their hardest to take trump out? >> well, look, these protesters are clearly an organized force. they are there specifically to try and shut down these rallies. and to gain media attention. and, unfortunately, they are succeeding. look they may not like donald trump or what he has say and they may not like donald trump supporter but donald trump has a right to be there and donald trump's supporters have a right to be there and these protesters are really abrogating these rally supporters' first amendment rights. it's a shame. >> regardless of what side
you're on, hearing moveon.org saying trump and trump supporters should be on notice. what does that mean? >> yeah. what does that mean? of course this is the left wing which is always accusing republicans of being intolerant. this is the highest form of into less rans. this is why people are supporting donald trump. i'm no donald trump fan. i don't like donald trump's tone which is why i'm backing ted cruz. ted cruz is the only guy that can beat donald trump. on the other hand, moveon.org, planned parenthood, black hives matter these are moments that are really not interested in a dialogue, they are not interested in solving problems, they are interested in shutting people down whom they don't agree with. >> we'll keep monitoring this rally where donald trump is expected to speak at and bring our audience any live developments that happen obviously. let's talk about ted cruz. you're supporting ted cruz. i guess one of the issues around
ted cruz is he hasn't made any friends in the senate. people worry he's not going to get the full scale support that he needs to actually beat hillary clinton come november, carly. >> well, first of all, ted cruz is the only guy who can beat donald trump. and the only way to beat donald trump is at the ballot box. all this discussion about a brokered convention is absurd. so honestly speaking while they are very good men and run honorable campaigns, marco rubio needs to step aside and even if john kasich were to win ohio on tuesday he absolutely has no path. so people need to rally around ted cruz, the party needs to unify behind ted cruz to beat donald trump fair and square. i've challenged the system all my life. guess what? when you challenge the system you do more than ruffle feathers you make enemies. ted cruz has made enemies because he's challenged the system. but the system needs to be challenged.
in fact donald trump and hillary clinton are the system. they are two sides of the same coin. neither one of them will reform the system they benefitted from the system. the only guy who lose to hillary clinton in the polls is donald trump. ted cruz is beating hillary clinton in the polls. so i think the party needs to unify behind senator cruz now, beat donald trump so we can go on and beat hillary clinton. >> you said that the idea of a brokered convention is absurd. why? some people who would like to see that happen are saying look, donald trump is leading right now but that's 35% of the country. that means 65% of the country doesn't want him. what's wrong with a brokered convention? >> then why don't people get behind ted cruz. the data you just laid out is absolutely right. 65% to 70% republicans don't want donald trump. go ahead and get behind ted cruz so we can beat him. imagine, think about how high passions are running. people are tired of the republican establishment telling
them what to do. the republican establishment, frankly, has gotten it wrong on a couple of candidates. they all knew who was going to be first in line and next and the voters said we're rejecting that because actually the party hasn't done enough for us, they haven't done enough to solve the problems in our lives. so with passions running this high, can you imagine going into a convention and a bunch of people go in the back room and say never mind all your votes we're going to tell you who will be your nominee. that's not going to work. we have to beat donald trump at the ballot box. the only person who can beat him now is ted cruz. he is a conservative. we know what his principles are. so people need to rally behind him. >> you made a lot of good points about cruz really being able to push up against the system and that system was like hillary clinton, et cetera. let me ask you about that. on the one hand you say ted cruz has principles, he sticks to his principles, that's why maybe he has had conflicts in the senate. on the other hand, we need a
unifier in the white house. is he going to be one to actually bring both sides together? in order to get legislation moved forward, moving forward, in order to get things done you need to be able to compromise. >> well, that is true. but having made a lot of deals in my life marksry a, you and i have talked about many of those deals over the years, the only way to make a really good deal is to be clear about what your principles are. you can put a lot of things in the middle of the table and find moan ground but you have to be clear on your principles. that's why i fear a donald trump as our nominee and as our president because i don't know what his principles are. he's a good deal maker but also clear he'll make a deal with anyone. and it's interesting because dr. carson said well he's two people, one in private, one in public. i don't want two people. most important decisions that a president makes are made in private. so we better know who we're getting. i think we'll know who we're
getting with ted cruz. >> by the way, you talk about going into tuesday which is such an important day where you've got the primaries of ohio and florida and north carolina among others which we are looking ahead to. missouri, illinois. >> keep going. that's right. >> what are you expecting out of tuesday? >> well, look, i think ted cruz will have a good night. obviously, ohio and florida are the ones that everyone is paying attention to. but i think honestly what's even more important on tuesday is not whether ted cruz has a good night. i suspect he will. i think what's really important about tuesday is what do john kasich and marco rubio do? do they decide to become statesmen and step aside for the good of their party or do they decide to hang in based upon some, you know, dream about a brokered convention? that's what i think the real discussion should be on tuesday night. >> think thoughts about hillary clinton at this point?
it is pretty extraordinary to watch bernie sanders give her this run for her money in so many parts of the country. >> yes. in fact, it's interesting because in a way the democratic establishment has made the same mistakes as the republican establishment. they decided it's hillary clinton's turn except a lot of people in the democratic party are saying we're not sure we like her and not very excited about her. look, it's amazing. we have a 74-year-old avowed socialist who is giving hillary clinton a run for her money. people can get obsessed about what's going on the side of the republican party but honestly the republican party has field some great candidates and the democrat contest is coming down to hillary clinton, who we know has lied about so many things, the majority of americans do not find her trustworthy and an avowed socialist. it's amazing. >> thanks so much. good to talk to you. we appreciate it very much. carly fiorina joining us this
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points. rubio is staking big hopes on the sunshine state which could prove tube critical turning point in the race for the gop nomination. >> i'm telling you, florida, we win here, it will send a clear message we're not going to allow the republican party and the conservative movement to be hijacked by people that are neither republican nor conservative. >> and let's talk about it with north carolina senator thom tillis who is a marco rubio supporter ahead of the north carolina primary on tuesday. thank you for joining us. marco rubio had a victory and picked up certainly the most delegates on saturday night. that was a big positive. that going enough to actually move the needle on his chances? >> i think tuesday is a very important race here in north carolina. we have a proportional primary but his focus on florida is critically important and i think that if marco is able to do well in florida and trump is unable to win ohio then it will continue to provide an
opportunity for marco to get the nomination. >> let's talk about the proportional primary in north carolina. i want to get the florida in a moment. what do you think voters want to see and your constituents in north carolina want to see in their next president? >> well, i think they want to see somebody who has demonstrated an ability to get things done. it's great to talk about the what. everybody knows what we need to do. marco is the only one in the race right now who has a legislative track record that i think is consistent with where we want to take nation. he's done a great job since he's been in the senate. he did a great job in the state legislature as speak. the more we're able to focus on his ability to get things done, not just talk about what needs done, but getting it done is very important. that's why i liked the debate the other night i thought marco did a dood job of getting his message out. >> why do you think he hasn't resonated more so and isn't higher in the leaderboard today
>> it's the way this debate has played out and mr. trump has set the stage and it was all more entertainment than it was policy focused discussion and dialogue. i think if we have a good showing this week and we continue this trend of having substantive debates, no name calling, no circus acts but real discussion about the issues, that's where marco shines and i think that if we get out thereafter with a good result that we get proportional delegates here in north carolina, i'm working hard for marco in north carolina, encouraging people to vote for him. ohio denies a trump win it's a completely different environment comes wednesday next week. >> let me ask you about what we're seeing this weekend, senator, because of course we had violence break out at a trump rally yesterday and now we're going to show you these live pictures. we're awaiting on this trump rally that will be happening today in about 45 minutes. and we're waiting for donald
trump to come out. we understand that there are more protesters outside of this event as well. and, you know, the co-chairman of the aclu, colorado springs chapter on the board of the state chapter is tweeting out hate saying this is the final solution if you're voting for trump i'll have to shoot you before election day. basically threatening any supporters of trump. then you got moveon.org saying any supporters of trump as well as trump should now know you're on notice. what do you make of this? >> i've been the target of these sorts of organized protests literally embedded paid protesters. now i want to back up and say that some of what has led to this in this presidential cycle, with some of the rhetoric of mr. trump so, he owns some responsibility for it. but microsoft of the responsibility rests on these folks who are trying to deny first amendment rights. some people are getting paid, part of a money machine that
like made for tv protests. they get covered by the liberal media. it's a disgrace they would do this. why don't they go to rallies for sand earns clinton and stand for something versus stand against us and prevent the candidates from actually getting their message out. they are part of the problem. >> look, we're watching this play out in real-time. it is actually quite extraordinary. let me ask you about this push from some people out there who are saying clearly when you look at the math it's donald trump, it's ted cruz. and the rest of the field needs to get out of the way, that means marco rubio, that means john kasich and support one of these guys to narrow the situation and if you really want to take trump down marco rubio needs to support ted cruz. >> well, i mean that's the obvious rhetoric you would play if you wanted to be the winner of the primary. i'm sure marco would like mr. trump and ted cruz to get out and he can go right to the convention. it's the typical tactics no one
else can win. i've had it said about me. i had it said back in 2014 race when i won the senate. we have a process in place where you have to get 1237 delegates. if you don't get that. we have another process in place in a contested convention. this back room door rhetoric is just that, it's rhetoric. we go the convention. cast delegates. and then the majority of the convention will choose. if the majority of the voters before the convention can't make up their mine and that's what we're seeing right now. >> has this backlash from the establishment actually helped trump? >> well, i think that donald trump -- one thing i'll give him credit for is engaging people who haven't gotten involved in primaries. i don't know it's so much of a backlash. it's more a reaction to the rhetoric i hope settles down so we can get a substantive discussion. >> senator, thanks so much for joining us. we so appreciate your time this morning.
>> thank you and go tar heels. >> senator thom tillis. join me tomorrow we'll continue to talk about this gop backlash against donald trump when i speak house majority leader kevin mccarthy will be my guest tomorrow. we'll talk 2016 and this establishment republican move to stop a trump nomination. that's tomorrow morning on the fox business network kicks off at 6:00 a.m. eastern. check your local listings. up next negative advertising. will it succeed in derailing the runway trump train. fred luntz joins me next on "sunday morning futures." and can you explain why you recommend synthetic over cedar?
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welcome back. republican candidates blitz the sunshine state with ads ahead of the critical winner take all primary on tuesday. it's becoming a mud slinging battle. last week alone p.a.c.s supporting marco rubio spent $2 million on anti-trump ads while donald trump is spending millions on negative advertising against rubio. how will it impact florida voters? fred luntz, good to see you. thanks so much for joining us. you've been doing more focus groups. tell me where you are. give me a status check. >> what i learned there's doubts about all four candidates and intensity for all four candidates. people are responding to the debates. they still are. the ads don't have the same kind of impact. the thing the public is looking for. one, accountability. do you say what you mean and mean what you say.
number two, can you deliver results. and number three, are you authentic, are you genuine. that's where the ads fail. they come across as faked, manufactured. when you have the real life candidates they are much more impactful than ads. >> let's talk about some ads that are striking that are not working. which one do you want to lead. >> you got one in particular i want to show which is donald trump's language. you and i may find it offense but to get somebody to change their vote from trump to anybody else it doesn't work. >> i went to an ivy league school. i'm very highly
educated. i know words. he gets the nomination they are going to sue his [ bleep ] they are ripping the [ bleep ] out of the sea. what the hell are we doing. i have the best words. you can tell them go [ bleep ]
themselves. >> okay. so i want to ask you -- >> there's a lot there, frank. >> help me what were those words they were bleeping out. >> i don't
know if you can spell it. that's a half million dollar fine. my job is done. this is the problem is that they look at him, i don't care what he says. they care his intensity, they care about his passion. a trump voter looks at that -- what the hell. i believe that's a rubio ad or rubio p.a.c. ad and that's the problem they are not using language and messaging that connects to people. strategy should have been trump supporter. if you want to beat donald trump the only way you beat him with a trump supporter to said i still support donald trump but there's another candidate that can do what donald trump wants to get done. that's the strategy.
>> up until now i feel like people have not been interested in the specifics, they just apartment tough guy out there who will fight for america and make them feel like they got somebody who has their back. >> and the far right, the most conservative are ideological and they are backing ted cruz. by the way what i don't understand ted cruz has a lot of delegates. he's only 100 delegates behind trump. but no one talks about that. the assumption is that trump is so far ahead. donald trump does best amongst independent voters. they are backing him not for where he stands they are backing him for how he stands it. >> i want to talk about the independent voter. mathematically trump can't win the general election because he can't get the hispanic vote. but the other thing he could offset that by bringing in all these independents that were not voting in a republican -- were not voting republican before. >> which scares the hell out of
senate republicans. donald trump will bring people to him that are democrats, voting for him because he has a blue collar feel to him. but won't vote republican for the senate or house. donald trump could be responsible for losing the senate and the house. people who vote for him will vote against these republican incumbents. this is not checkers. this is not even chess. this is three-dimensional and too many people commentating on this that aren't looking at the actual priorities of the voters themselves. >> going into florida, missouri on tuesday all of these important states, ohio, what are you expectations. >> my expectations rubio always performs 3% or 4% above the polls but it's not enough. i don't think he wins florida. in ohio i think john kasich a late night there. i think it will be even. only way to stop donald trump at this point is to beat him in ohio or florida. ohio is more likely at this point. >> we'll leave it there. >> by the way the chaos has only
just begun. >> we're watching it play out. >> even on this show. >> as we wait for trump to come out of this rally where we're expecting protesters once again. up next a 3-year-old girl the latest victim of isis and hundreds more injured in chemical attacks in iraq. general jack keane is up next on what this means on the fight against isis. you're watching "sunday morning futures". (baseball on tv in background) with heart failure, danger is always on the rise. symptoms worsen because your heart isn't pumping well. (water filling room) about 50 percent of people die (dog whimpering) within 5 years of getting diagnosed.
welcome back. isis has launched two chemical attacks in northern iraq killing a 3-year-old girl as many as 600 others were hurt. the attack happening early yesterday near the city of kirkuk. iraq's prime minister vowing isis will quote pay dearly for the attacks. all of this coming as u.s. defense officials confirm the capture of a man trying to develop chemical weapons for isis, retired four star general jack keane is with me. the chairman of the institute for the study of war and fox news military analyst. general thanks for joining us. good to see you. can you characterize what we're
talking about in terms of isis having chemical weapons? >> yeah. what's happening here, maria, is isis recruit ad number of former saddam hussein's scientists and engineers who participated in his chemical wmd program years ago and they have put together la laboratories and weapons factory to put together a sulphur mustard, low yield mustard gas and weaponize that in artillery shells and rockets. they conducted about 12 attacks in 2014 and through these two current attacks. this one, obviously, producing a lot of casualties but maria, fortunately because it's low yield mustard gas there's very few fatalities, regrettably there was a fatality here as you mentioned in the introduction. the good news is we have captured the head of this organization about a month ago our special operations did that and we are now systematically
trying to take down those weapons factories and those laboratories based on the intelligence he's provided. >> what should the u.s. be doing that we're not doing? is there something we should be doing in this regard? >> well, first of all, hats off to general dunford who has been there about six months now and i think he's been very aggressive in trying to get as many resources into iraq and also to conduct operations in and around syria as the white house policy would permit. he's stretched out, i think, pretty much to the limits and that's why we're having this successful operation in capturing this man. what we have now is special operations forces in some numbers, that number is classified. they've been there from the beginning in 2014, but they haven't really had a significant ground component. now they have. and they are going to start to pound isis leaders to capture them. we still, as you mentioned or
suggested do not have all the resources that we would need to conduct a more effective campaign against isis in iraq or in syria and that would likely change when a new administration gets in, whether it's democrat or republican. >> let me ask you about that because we're talking about the various candidates and their plans for the future. do you hear foreign policy solution out there from any of the candidates for 2016 presidential election that you think is viable? >> well, i don't comment on individual policies, but by candidates. but i would suggest that putting real teeth behind defeating isis and asking the military how to do that, i think a new president will clearly understand after a detailed briefing what are the challenges that are facing the united states. first of all, that president has got to make up his or her mind first and foremost what's the
role of the united states in the world today and is that the traditional role that we have played in the past since world war ii which i believe is different from our previous president. that's number one. number two systematically deal with security challenges. as it comes to isis a simple question he would ask the pentagon and his other national security advisors, what's to defeat isis. give me your best plan. that's not been asked in the past. the president posed restrictions and we've never been able to put together a full campaign plan. that's pretty much the best answer. and we have the wherewithal to do all of that marksry a without committing large numbers much ground forces. >> we'll leave it there. general good to speak to you. thanks so much. we appreciate your time today. general jack keane. let's get a look what's coming up. a "mediabuzz." >> i went down to palm peach, a hardship assignment for a wide
ranging interview with donald trump. he talks about why he praised hillary clinton, softening his tone on marco rubio, social security, immigration and liable laws and what he sees as hatred from the media tore him and we're talk about the media's role covering the violence at these rallies. we have a packed show for you on "mediabuzz." >> we'll be there as we wait for that protest to start outside a new trump rally taking place right now. thank you very much. we'll see you in about 20 minutes. some crucial winner take all contests are two days away. our panel how they could make-or-break the candidates going into tuesday's big night. we'll look ahead next on "sunday morning futures." back in a moment.
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welcome back. the gop candidates are gearing up for what could be some pivotal contests this upcoming tuesday. marco rubio and john kasich seeking home state victories in florida and to ohio stay afloat while donald trump and ted cruz aim to win more of those all-important delegates. john kasich is leading in his home state of ohio with 39%. trump right behind him with 33%. let's bring in our panel for all of this. ed rollins is here, gary kasparov and julie bruisky. good to see you all. two state contests. ed, what do you look at. what's the takeaway? >> elimination day certainly for rubio if he doesn't win florida and the right now he's second or third in most polls, easily could come in third.
no place he can go beyond florida. kasich, obviously has a real race going with trump in ohio. again if he loses his home state he's out. even a close race no place for him to go beyond that. even if both of them won their home states they are at the bottom of the pack. >> both of them win snalgs the weakness of donald trump. it won't happen in florida. when people talk about rubio's home state that's donald trump's home state. there's more than florida than elsewhere. >> he keeps saying i love florida. >> he has neconnections there. kasich will win but i see no way for him make being any further progress. i don't think there was any other primary in history where the candidate hasn't won a single contest, went so far in the process. >> that's why people are saying
look marco rubio, john kasich get out of the way so we can see a more even split. >> it's interesting. at this point rubio must know he has no shot winning his home state which is unprecedented. if he's staying in essentially to deny trump plurality. to have a brokered convention i suspect that's what he's justifying this as. they pick up a few delegates here or there it prevents donald trump from picking up those delegates. >> so that's the strategy. >> may be. other than that there's no other reason for him to stay in the race at this point. he's ruining his own political career. he was in florida on tuesday. i'm not sure key run for governor in two years. >> especially if he comes in third. he has no money. all the money is being spent against trump by super p.a.c.s. there's no consistency to the
message. everybody throws everything at him. why should he not be president. how do you make that case? it's all over the place. the failure of super p.a.c.s is unlike the campaigns you can run, a sustained message, do everything you're supposed to do and all the money have gone super p.a.c.s and not campaigns. it's bean waste. >> how does this latest wrinkle if you call it play into all of this. that is this amped up violence around trump. i want to show you live pictures. we're awaiting donald trump to come out at a rally and already been told right outside of this rally there are protesters with it -- protesters waiting to go on in there. >> moveon.org are organizing these groups. they are not coming to hear donald trump they are coming to get on television and create whatever chaos they can. they need be isolated and blamed nor. trump has to cool his rhetoric.
make sure his supporters are supporting him and not do anything to damage his campaign. >> i don't think it's a surprise. and i think, unfortunately -- >> you think it will help? >> with his base and a lot of people could be seen as being attacked but it will demonstrate what will happen in the general elections. its the first wave of many tsunami that will wash away trump's campaign if god forbid he's nominated. >> both sides are looking at comments like moveon.org said look trump and all of his supporters should know now they are on notice. is it counter productive? >> these proeftesters are helpi donald trump. he's standing up to the democrats, the establishment. he's the strong man. they are looking for an
authoritarian figure. moveon.org is playing into it by doing what they are doing. people should be allowed to freely assemble and hear donald trump without something be thrown at him or anybody rushing the stage. that's the reality. they are completely counter productive. they are making him a victim and a martyr. >> i was very frightened by the scene and i've been around secret service all my life. i admire them. i thought they were slow responding to the guy. somebody is going to get hurt. one of the supporters or unfortunately one of the candidates. i think it's just a very bad solution. >> we have to talk about your op-ed on socialism, gary. >> democrats, they calculate that donald trump is a candidate to run against in the general because he has so many weaknesses. their candidate will be exposed. so they want someone who is even bigger target. >> take a short break.
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and you know, when they'll have any plan of nominating anybody else but donald trump. >> all right. great to see you. thank you very much for joining us. see you tomorrow on the fox business network. have a great sunday, everybody. thanks. on a buzz beater this sunday, donald trump sit down with me to talk about his nasty fight with marco rubio. his use of personal insults, his past praise of hillary clinton, when he's flexible on immigration, and the harshest attack by his media's detractors. >> these are bigoted people -- >> bigoted? >> these are people who have such hatred for me. i don't know why. i don't know them. i do think it's unfair. they don't call me. i've never spoken to any of them to the best of my knowledge. you would think that if they're going to write some being me, they'd call. they'd talk to me. >> we also talked about when he'll stop showing up for televised debates. >> i think the debates are out of control. i think