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i'm chris wallace. growing violence at trump rallies amid accusations the front runner's rhetoric play as role. today we'll ask donald trump if he's responsible. trump is forced to cancel a rally in chicago after hundreds of protesters show up to disrupt it. >> when they have organized professionally staged wise guys we've got to fight back. >> trump's rivals pin the blame on him. >> last night in chicago we saw images that make america look like a third world country. >> any campaign responsibility starts at the top. >> we'll sit down with trump to discuss the violence and what he'll do to try to stop it.
and we'll ask our sunday panel if the protests will affect the republican race. the gop campaign reaches a turning point. as the primaries turn winner take all. in ohio governor john kasich battles to hold on to his home state. >> when i win here it's a whole new ball game. >> we'll take with him as he tries to stay alive in this campaign. our power player of the week. giving millennials the news in six second chunks. >> a large part of america that was being ignored. >> all right now on "fox news sunday." hello, again, from fox news in washington. this was the scene at a donald trump campaign rally in ohio yesterday. secret service agents rushing to protect the republican front runner after a protester jumped a fence and charged the stage. the concern was understandable with growing protests and even violence at trump campaign
events. all this as the gop race reaches a potential turning point. five states go to the polls tuesday including florida and ohio. both winner take all and the home states for marco rubio and john kasich. in a few minutes we'll sit down with governor kasich who says he'll drop out if he loses ohio. first, donald trump live from chicago. mr. trump welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you. >> even before you had to cancel your rally in chicago on friday, there had been growing violence at some of your rallies, around the country. and some of the rivals, some of your rivals in the republican race say you have contributed to this with your rhetoric. do you take any responsibility for the violence at your rallies? >> first of all, i disagree totally, chris, with what you said. i have by far the biggest crowds, 25, 30,000 people. last week we had in alabama
35,000 people. we'll have disrupters sometimes put there by other people. we'll have some protesters. nobody's been hurt at all. and as big as the rallies are, nobody has been hurt. we talk and try and be good. i will tell you some of the protesters are bad dudes and they swing and punch and nobody talks about that in the media. if other people, including the police, it's usually the police that handle it. if they get rough because they have no choice, the next day in the newspaper, the police are -- we have had nobody hurt. when i have 25,000, and 20,000 people routinely by far the biggest, and we have some protesters stand up, who do you know that's been hurt over the last number of months? nobody. nobody's been hurt. >> let's take an example. we've been running video that shows a number of punches being thrown. i don't know that people have ended up being hospitalized. let's take one example. on wednesday in north carolina,
a protester was being escorted from the event. not saying he didn't do something provacative. he flips off the crowd and a man knocked him to the ground. here's what that man says afterwards. >> yes, he deserved it. the next time we see him we might have to kill him. >> mr. trump, does that have any place in america? >> no, it doesn't. and it's a shame that it happened. i feel badly for everybody concerns. we don't condone violence. the kid did from what i hear stick up a certain finger right in everybody's face. and this man has had enough. i tell you what, people in this country are very angry. they're angroy at incompetent politicians, not having a pay increase for 12 years or more. this country -- we can't be isis, our military is going to hell. look at what's going on with the vets, they're treated horribly, worse than illegal immigrants.
we have a big portion of this country that's fed up. you look at the rust belt and other areas of our country where our jobs are being taken they're being moved to mexico and other locations. they're being moved out of the united states. we have a president that doesn't have a clue, doesn't know what's going on. the people of this country are angry. they're not angry people, but they're angry now. >> you say and you just said again you don't condone the violence, sir, the record is clear. we're going to put up tapes. you have condoned violence in rally after rally. again, take a look. >> knock the hell -- i promise you i will pay for the legal fees. like to punch him in the face. in the good old days they'd rip him out of the seat so face. throw him the hell out. that's okay. >> that sounds like condoning violence. >> well, i tell you what, the first one, i was told by secret service there were two people in the audience, they couldn't find
him, didn't know where they were but they had tomatoes and they were going to chunk them at me. being hit in the face with a tomato is not good. before i started my face i said you have two people out there with tomatoes, if you see them do whatever you have to do to them, i don't care. i think i'm within my rights to say that. everything i say -- if you would play 99% of the clips, i'm always saying don't hurt him. take it easy. don't hurt him. i'm saying that to the police that are mistreated in this country, by the way. they're not appreciated for the great job they do. usually it's the police. it's not my people, it's the police in the various municipalities i go to. they really take it easy. and, again, chris, with rallies of 25,000, 35,000 people you don't know of one injury in any of our rallies. the one place where we could have had a problem was chicago. and other than at your network i've been given very good
credit. very good credit for canceling. if i would have had that, postpone it actually. if i would have had the rally you would have had a lot of problems. those were professionals. those were we're professionals. they weren't protesters they were disrupters. they were professional disrupters. they came in with a bernie sanders signs out of his printing press. they were disrupters. and i will tell you, with all of the rallies you've been witnessing over many months, you haven't had one person that's even been hurt. i'm listening to you tell me like everybody's being maimed. not that way. and i have often said, do not hurt them. you've heard me say that but you don't want to play those clips. >> all right. let's move on. to another issue. you've also created a controversy this week with your comments about islam, here they are. >> i think islam hates us. there's something there that is a tremendous hatred there.
there's a tremendous hatred. we have to get to the bottom of it. >> mr. trump, there are 1.6 billion muslims in the world today. 1.6 billion. according to the best experts, you know, think tanks all around the world. they say at most, 100,000 people are fighting for jihadist causes. it's a tiny fraction of 1%. so why draw a battle line against an entire religion including major countries that are helping us in the fight ag >> you're saying that out of 1.5 billion, 100,000, right? let me tell you, whoever did that survey was about as wrong as you can get. it's 27%, could be 35%. would go to war, would -- the hatred is tremendous. look -- >> wait. wait. you're saying 250 million, 300 million would go to war against us? >> why don't you take a look at
the pugh poll that came out recently, where i think the number -- i could be corrected it's whatever it is it is. it was something like 27% are, you know, really very militant against going after things. you'll have to take a look at it. they did a strong study. let's see what it says. it's a very significant number. it's not 100,000 people. i can tell you that. it's a ridiculous number. but, look, there's something going on, chris. whether you like it or not. it would be a lot easier for me to say everybody loves us. there's something going on. there's a big problem. and radical islamic terrorism is taking place all over the world. look at what happened to paris. look at what happened in california recently with the 14 people killed by co-workers, people where they gave them baby showers, and then they walk in and kill them. they shoot them. they had no guns, no weapons, they had no nothing. they shot them. killed them all. and i mean, there's something going on, chris. we can be very nice and we can
be very naive. and say everything's wonderful. all you have to do is look all over the world. there's a great hatred out there. >> you also said this about the war on isis. >> we have to knock out isis, we have to knock the hell out of them. i would listen to the generals i'm hearing numbers of 20,000, to 30,000. >> which generals have told us we need 20,000 to 30,000 u.s. ground troops in iraq and syria. >> that's what i heard the number. that doesn't mean i'd do that. that's what i heard the number is in order to eradicate. it could be quick. you know, maybe we should do something quickly. because this cancer is staying with us forever. i mean, we've been fighting in the middle east now for 15 years and long -- >> all the generals we talk to -- >> chris, and in the meantime our infrastructure in our country is going to hell. our country is in trouble. all we do is spend money in the middle east. either eradicate them or get
out. what we're doing is crazy. we don't have -- >> all the generals i've spoken to say 20,000 to 30,000. we may need more troops there, forward observers, we may need special forces to help iraqi ground troops. putting 20,000 to 30,000 american troops in iraq and syria, they have grave doubts. >> i'm not saying do it. i'm saying that's a number i heard you would need. i never said do it. look, let me tell you something, whether you like it or not. i was against the war in iraq, okay. i'm one that said don't go in. you will destabilize the middle east. i was totally right about that. i'm not a big war hog. now you have people chopping off heads, people drowning 40, 50 people in steel cages at a time. now we have to do something. the reason we have to do it is because of the power of weaponry. they're looking to get weapons and acquire weapons that are
going to be very, very horrible for our country if we ever do t. we have to eraidicate these people. >> trump university, i don't have to tell you has become an issue on the campaign trail with some former students saying it's a scam. here was one of them. >> i was trumped by trump. i was duped by the donald. >> but you put out a video this week, in which you show that same man's report card about trump university. >> this is his report card on the school. quality of presentation, quality of everything. excellent, excellent, excellent. excellent. all excellent 100%. >> but now "the new york times" report that that man says that he was pressured to give those report card grades, the excellence by his instructor who said he'd be fired if he didn't get them. the times talked to other students who say they came under a lot of pressure to give you good reports. >> really? and they did that with 10,000
people? this is a law firm, it's a class action firm. they sue a lot of people. they're trying to get money. i don't settle cases. i will go to court all day long with this case. almost everybody in there has given report cards saying it was excellence. we have an a from the better business bureau you didn't report it on the show in the debate. you did something very dishonest, you didn't report it. you told me and the whole world watching the debate that we had a d. we didn't have a d. >> you know as well as i do, i didn't ask the question. and -- >> i'm not talking about you, i'm talking about fox. i gave you the report card. i gave you the a. during the debate. because they said it was a d. and it was an a. i gave you the a from better business bureau. >> don't you think we have the responsibility to check it out to find out what's going on? the fact is, it's a little more complicated than that. trump university has been out of business for several years, so they're not getting so many
complaints. >> it's not out of business it's suspended until i win the lawsuit. after i win the lawsuit, hopefully i'll be in the white house and have my kids will open it. >> i promise you, if marco rubio gave us a piece of paper in the middle of a debate we're not going to simply start reading that. >> i think you would. actually, here's the story, you said better business bureau gave me a d. i said that wrong. i got during an intermission i called in, sent the a rating. i got an a rating. i handed it to megyn kelly and they refused to put it on. that's not honest. >> i think it's wanting to check the facts. let me -- you're going to like this last question, bear with me on this. for all of the controversy -- >> i'll love it. >> i promise you you will. for all the controversies you are doing very well right now. you have a solid lead in delegates. as you have pointed out turnout is up. there's a 67% increase in votes in republican contests over 2012
up 67%. 23% down in democratic turnout compared to 2008. you say you have been leading a movement. i want to briefly, we have less than a minute explore that with you. what's the movement? what do these people want? what are the chances you could effectively lock up the race on tuesday? wasn't that a nice question? >> i like that question. i like the statement, too. i'm glad we're finishing with this. people have been disenfranchised in the country. great people, phenomenal people. people that have built this country. they've been totally disenfranchised. trade deals have taken away their jobs all over. our military can't be isis. our veterans are being treated horribly. our healthcare is horrible with obamacare where premiums are going up like nobody's seen before. 45%, 55%. there are so many things wrong with our country. i'm going to straighten it out and people understand that. we'll straighten it out and make america great again. that's what it's all about. there's never been they say in the history of this country
what's happening right now. by the way, it's been very friendly with no injuries, no injuries -- listen to you it's like everybody like it's a rampage. there's been no injuries, chris, remember that. no injuries. we did a good job by postponing the other day in chicago. no injuries, chris. >> mr. trump, thank you. thanks for your time. and i hope you and all the people attending your rallies stay safe on the campaign trail, sir. >> thank you very much. up next john kasich on his must win strategy for ohio. can he become the main establishment alternative to trump?
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a look outside the beltway at cleveland, ohio. tuesday is make or break for ohio governor john kasich. as he runs close in the polls with donald trump. kasich has made a clear if he loses his home state, he'll drop out of the presidential race. he joins me now from cleveland and governor, welcome back. >> thanks, thanks chris. >> i want to start with the growing violence at the trump rallies. you say that he has sowed seeds of division. you've called it a toxic environment. what does it say about the kind of president he's going to be? >> he's not going to be president. i'm going to win here in ohio with the support of the folks here who have seen their lives improve. more jobs, better wages, more hope. more people who have been ignored who are getting attention. that's going to be the end of it. he's not going to be the president of the united states. and my -- >> what about the rallies and
his tenor at these rallies, sir? >> i have to tell you you can walk into a room or arena or wherever and you can prey on the fears of people or you can go in and give them hope. i go into my events and try to give them hope. when he goes and pits one group against another and says the reason this isn't good is because of that group that's not helpful. he's created a toxic environment. that doesn't mean there are people who have attended those rallies who are intent on causing trouble. but it's a mess. hopefully it will settle down. and we can move beyond this. the last debate was far more civil than the ones before. and maybe they're catching on to the fact that being positive may be the best way to run a campaign for president. for me, i'll not going to take the low road to the highest office in the land. we're growing, we're doing well in ohio, other states. we'll be competitive. don't be surprised if i go with the strongest amount of
delegates into the convention. >> after you finished a strong second as you did in new hampshire, you talked about your pathway being through the industrial midwest. you suffered a disappointing performance, you finished third in michigan -- >> wait, wait, wait. don't try to characterize what i did in michigan that way. i was at about 7% or 8% in michigan. i finished with almost 25%. >> excuse me, sir you and john weaver talked about winning michigan in february. >> chris, let me paint it for you. i was at 7% or 8%. i split the number of delegates for second place. we came out of michigan with momentum. there isn't anybody who is connected to the kasich campaign that wasn't pleased with our finish in michigan. that's the problem when we try to be fortune tellers, i'm not going to be a fortune teller other than ohio which we're going to win.
>> if i may -- no you are trailing at this point in illinois, missouri, which raises a specific question i want to ask you. which is even if you win ohio, aren't you a favorite son holding on to your home state? >> chris we're rising in illinois. there will be polls that will come out and show me in second place. it's a matter of accumulating delegates. look, for the last couple weeks -- i don't want to be arguing with you about this. i didn't get any attention. when we had debates there were people in the halls shouting my name to have me asked a question. finally i'm getting heard. finally the positive nature of the campaign is working. finally people are beginning to realize when i was budget chairman we had economic growth by the scores. in ohio we've turned this state around. wages are up. we're up 400,000 jobs, cut taxes more than anybody. finally people are beginning to say wait a minute, now i see who this guy is. just give us a chance.
most people never thought we'd get here. >> governor kasich, you're on the show today and we're very happy to have you here. i want to ask you about marco rubio. because he has suggested to his supporters that to try to stop donald trump maybe his supporters in ohio should actually vote for you. take a look. >> i have a voter in ohio concludes that voting for john kasich is the best chance to stop donald trump there i anticipate that's what they'll do. >> following the same logic should kasich supporters in florida support rubio so he can beat trump. it's winner take all instead of splitting the anti-trump vote. >> chris, i'm not out to stop anybody. i'm out to get myself elected. and so this is not like a parlor game for me. look, i'm not in florida campaigning. i'm spending my time, i spent a little time in illinois, spending a lot of time in ohio. again, i don't want to spend my time and process.
i want people to know that i have the foreign policy experience. i also have the domestic policy record to show i can take both of them and become an effective leader of this country. bring people together. improve their situation. begin to solve some of the frustrations they have with their income, with their kids' future. that's what i want to talk about. that's what we're talking about ipoh in ohio. >> one of the biggest issues in the midwest is trade. in the exit polls in michigan, this last week, 55% of those voting in the gop primary feel trade with other countries takes away jobs. you're on record supporting trade deals. >> i supported nafta. those countries in asia are an interface against china. >> are you telling voters in ohio that nafta are good for the ohio economy and that trump was
wrong? >> first of all, a simple fact is one out of every five americans are connected to trade. i was in a plant in dayton, ohio, where the chinese invested half a billion dollars in employing over a thousand ohio workers. i was in a plant that was invested by thegermans. here's the thing, it's thought just free trade, it's fair trade. i've been saying we need an expedited process. i said it in the debate. an expedited process when people try to rip us off and hurt the american worker i'll move immediately to block their imports. in 2001 i help today guarantee the trade restraints so our steel companies could have a chance to breathe. free trade but fair trade. i will act against trade violations. >> fox news has gotten ahold of a video of hillary clinton on a trip to india back in 2005 when
she was a senator. she was asked about legislating, whether the u.s. might consider legislation to ban out sourcing she said now but then added this. >> perhaps some economic incentives to at least think very hard before those decisions are made. you know, it is an inevitably there is no way to legislate against reality. i think the out sourcing will continue. >> what do you think of then senator clinton's comments? >> i think the point on out sourcing -- i have talked to at least one ceo who wanted to move operations out of the u.s. into the united states. i made it clear there's more than just profits. there has to be a value system that underlays our free enterprise system. before people make a decision to move out, before a board of directors authorizes this, they better be careful that they are not going to absolutely begin to hurt the concept in americans'
minds about the process of trade. if i were on the board of a company and wanted to go out source. they would have to give me a good reason as to why the survival of the company depended on it. to make a few more bucks is not something i encourage. you would have to tell me what the specifics are. i'm open to anything that can put us in a position to protect the american worker. at the same time, not shutting down the blinds and locking the doors on our ability to dominate the world when it comes to economic activity. >> i want to ask you about common core. in january 2015, i asked you about other governors who helped stopped common core but were now running away from it because of potential presidential campaigns. here was your very strong defense of common core. >> these were governors that helped create common core. the common core was written by state education superintendents
and local principals. i've asked the republican governors that have complained to tell me where i'm wrong. guess what, silence. >> in the debate this week you were asked to defend common core and you never mentioned it. >> education has to be run at the school board level with a little guidance from the state. >> so let's clear this up, governor. do you still support common core and are you prepared to say right now that common core is not, as you said back in 2015, is not a federal takeover? >> we only had a minute. l our state school board has adopted very high standards. and the curriculum is developed by local school boards. plain and simple, you can call it anything you want to, at the end of the day, we set the standards and the local school boards develop the curriculum. plain and simple. it's no more complicated than that we don't take orders from everybody. i'm not going to -- look, you
know, you're not going to get me to say -- start using names. i'm telling you it's about high standards and local control. we need high standards in america so our kids are trained for the jobs of the 21st century. that's exactly what we're trying to do in ohio. you're a good man, you're a good man, chris. >> i'm not going to stop you when you say that. governor, thank you. thanks for your time. always good to talk with you and good luck on tuesday. >> always good. we're discuss the disruption and the debate in the republican race. what would you like to ask the panel about the violence at trump rallies and whether he's responsible for it. go to facebook or twitter and we may use your question on the air. i thought i married an italian. did the ancestrydna to find out i'm only 16% italian. so i went onto ancestry, soon learned that one of our ancestors was eastern european. this is my ancestor who i didn't know about.
>> i intend to support the republican nominee. but getting harder every day. >> after a brief outburst of civility, the republican race returned to the more customary personal insults this weekend. it's time for our sunday group. gop strategist karl rove, julie pace. kimberly stossel and juan williams. we asked questions and got plenty about the violence at trump rallies and whether or not he's responsible for it. jenny sent this on twitter. he specifically told them to punch people in the face. how is that not inciting violence? jean coburn rote thwrote this. why are ted and marco pointing the finger at donald? do they always blame the victim? do you expect all of this about the rallies, violence, do you expect it to have any impact on the vote on tuesday? if so, i ask this as an open
question, will it help trump or hurt him? >> it will tend to help him. let's divorce this question and put it into two parts. moveon.org, black lives matter and others who have announced their desire to break up trump rallies by organized demonstrations is reprehensible behavior. bernie sanders and hillary clinton and the leaders of the civil rights movement have a moral obligation to speak openly to the groups and discourage them from doing so. do whatever you want outside the rallies, do whatever you want outside in the hall in a peaceful fashion. to have an organized thing like the leader of moveon.org to get into the rallies is fundamentally unamerican. on the other hand -- i don't want to make these morally ekwie equivalent. donald trump's behavior, knock the hell i promise i will pay
for the legal fees, i promise. the declaration that he said people had a right to do this. >> talking about his supporters. >> he wants to be president of the united states. what president would you believe would indulge themselves. >> why do you think it's going to help him? >> because people inside the republican party who support him say he's being a victim. in a way he is. he's also responsible for setting a tone. he claims he can be presidential if he wants today. it's time to be presidential and receive from this moment, let the secret service and local law enforcement move the people out. but treat everybody with respect and set a tone. >> i agree. i also agree with karl this is going to help him. you have to look at donald trump supporters. they love the fact he's anti-tpc. a lot of them believe when people are out there calling him
a fascist, it's because, for instance he's anti-immigration. they don't like how those are equated. when you have the protests going on, it's going to strengthen the resolve of a lot of people to go out and vote. they feel that's the way you have to respond to these attacks. >> president obama was asked this week whether or not he bares any spares for the political polarization surrounding donald trump's campaign. not surprisingly, he said no. >> what i'm not going to do is validate some notion that the republican crackup that's been taking place is a consequence of actions that i've taken. >> are they really oblivious at the white house to how polarizing, not specifically to say obama caused trump, but how
politically polarizing this president has been. if they're divorcing themselves from trump, how about the populist uprising surrounding bernie sanders? >> i don't think they're oblivious to it. you hear the president talk about his biggest regret of his presidency has been he hasn't been able to fulfill promises he made in his 2008 campaign to bring -- >> i heard him in that press conference, he blamed it on all the republicans. >> absolutely. i'm saying in other moments he talkings about how he bears responsibility about not being able to bring washington together. when he looks at republicans, when he looks at donald trump one of the first things that comes to his mind is during his first term when trump was pushing the birther movement. a lot of the republican leaders it was hard to get them to u unequivocally state he was born
in the united states. when he looks at trump he looks at something through a different frame than what's happening on capitol hill or the decisiveness you might see in washington. >> you know, there's also a race that's going to happen on tuesday. a big race. a turning point. because you've got five big delegate rich states voting. and two of them, florida and ohio in addition to being the home states of rubio and kasich, are winner take all. juan, if you see trump winning one or both of those, in a practical sense, not mathematically, but effectively, could he wrap up this n nomination? >> it's hard but possible. he has the momentum now if he wins both ohio and florida, keep in mind, he needs about 52%, more than half of the remaining delegates. it would be hard to say he wraps it up. if he were to win florida but lose ohio, he still needs 59% of the remaining delegates. if he loses both, 69% of the
remaining delegates. that's a lot. remember, beginning on tuesday, we go into winner take all in several now the majority of these republican states. that's a big eventualadvantage. he could get a large swath of delegates. illinois, missouri, two of the states that will vote on tuesday. they've got a large pool of delegates, 120. trump does well there it would offset a loss in ohio where kasich leads in the polls. >> your thoughts about what's at stake this tuesday? >> well, marco rubio's candidacy, the viability of it is very much in question if he loses florida. the viability of john kasich's candidacy which is poof if he loses ohio. let's put this in perspective. this contest is likely to go on. donald trump today has 460 delegates. the non-trump forces have 636. he's got to pick up a net of 176 more delegates on tuesday than his combined opposition has in
order to take the lead. now, we enter after this, this is the period, march first we can have winner take all contests. the majority of the delegates after tuesday will be in proportionally or what are called hybrid or winner take most states. we are likely to have a very contested pattern right up to the convention itself. in the debate, interesting comment. trump said all the candidates were asked what happens if somebody goes with a lead. trump said i ought to be -- he said i think whoever gets to the top position as apposed to solving that artificial number which is a random number. that's called a majority. and the fact of the matter is, is that we've had five of the 16 elected republican presidents were not leading on the first ballot of the convention, including abraham lincoln who was running third on the first two ballots and was nominated on the third. >> what you hear from
republicans who are trump backers is, there's going to be a great revulsion with the republican establishment if trump goes in leading anywhere close to having the necessary delegates, and the establishment thwarts the will of the republican voters. >> the party will be divided, almost no matter what the outcome is. if you go in and say, all right, i'm the guy that's got 45% but i deserve to have the nomination no matter what. the other 55% will have -- >> the party has a trouble. >> we'll take a break here. the good news is we only have four more months to be discussing this and all the various scenarios joboth democratic candidates condemn the violence at trump rallies as they deal with their own issues, like the clinton e-mail scandal. some cash back cards are,
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the issue is donald trump has to be loud and clear and tell his supporters that violence at rallies is not what america is about and to end it. >> if you play with matches, you can start a fire. you can't control. that's not leadership, that's political arson. >> democratic candidates hillary clinton and bernie sanders joining forces to attack donald trump. for the violence at some of his recent rallies. we're back with a panel. let's talk democratic politics. sanders won a close but still
shocking victory over clinton in michigan this week. he says it will spring board him to the nomination. karl does it at all change the overall dynamic of the democratic race, even if it doesn't what does it reveal about potential vulnerabilities of hillary clinton? >> this was a remarkable victory. the clear politics average going into the debates there was not a single poll show ing sanders ahead. he eked out a 1% victory. he got a bigger break on the delegates his vote was spread more widely across the state. he got 63%. it allows us to have more entertainment and excitement on the democratic contest going forward. there will be other instances where states with substantial white populations he pulls off a victory. like that night she won in
mississippi 85% to 14%. taking 29 delegates to his four. >> doesn't it reveal weaknesses? >> absolutely. a systemic problem with her and the democrats, john judas wonro an article, blue collar people are becoming unglued for the democratic party. this contest was over before it began. because of the 712 super delegates. 766 elected delegates for him. among the super delegates, the house of lords of the democratic party, it's 465 for her so far to 25 for him. i understand they have patrols out looking for those. >> then there is the fbi investigation into hillary clinton's private e-mail server. and we showed you during one of the breaks how she bristled when in the last debate jorge ramos
raised the question as to whether she would drop out if she were indicted. on the other hand, with no sign that a grand jury has even been impanelled to hear evidence in this case, this is going to take months at the least? >> we don't know. one of the most important things that came out this week was the news that justice has given immunity to bryan pagliano. people have all kept focus on the national security question whether she mishandled classified information. fox itself reported last month that, in fact, the fbi is also investigating this question about whether or not there wasn't some unseemly intersection between her official duties at the state department and all the work that was done at the clinton foundation. and they seem to be looking at this very widely. will that potentially take more time? maybe. she could be on the hook for something far more than just classified information. >> there was another interesting
moment in the democratic debate this week when hillary clinton seemed to move well to the left of barack obama on immigration policy. when she in effect pledged that as president, she would deport any illegal immigrants in this country now unless they were violent criminals. take a look at this exchange. >> you would stop deportation? deportation for children and those who don't have criminal record. >> the undocumented people living in our country, i do not want to see them deported. i want to see them on a path to citizenship. that's exactly what i will do. >> what do they make of that at the white house? >> this is part of what we've seen happen with hillary clinton on a lot of issues in the democratic primary it's the influence of bernie sanders, which is democratic party has moved to the left. and bernie sanders has really exposed that broken that wide open. if she sticks with some of the positions she's had previously, even some of the positions that barack obama has, she's out of
step with the majority of democratic voters. if she becomes the nominee, there's potentially going to be a very important moment this summer if we see a surge at the border as in past years where she'll have to answer questions about what she would do with people who are coming across the border, young children coming across the border, families coming across the border. this speaks more to where the democratic party has moved and where bernie sanders has taken it than anything else. >> juan, let's pick up on this. i understand the politics of clinton trying to fend off sanders and her desire to motevimote mobilize the hispanic vote. when you say you will not deport any. no illegal immigrants unless they're violent criminals. is that legal? secondly, do you run the risk of a backlash in a general election by some people who may say we need to do something to enforce our borders? >> clearly donald trump has
stirred tremendous passions in the country on the immigration issue. that's the launching point for his campaign. the anti-immigrant passion. in the latino community, nationwide, i'm not just talking about in florida, where everybody is right now in terms of the political focus, there is a revulsion among the latino community not only at the anti-immigrant tone of trump's campaign, but anger at president obama for his high level of deportation exceeding what took place under president bush. >> don't you think a potential republican candidate will say in a general election you're not going to deport any illegal immigrant they can all stay here if they haven't committed a crime? >> the contrary position would be how do you plan to deport all these people? you going to line up buses? >> president obama is deporting them right now. >> he's deporting people, going after specific targeted groups at a high rate.
>> i'm talking about continuing that. >> i think the democrats and especially hillary clinton feel the need to appeal to the aalatino community that is number one in their minds. if you're asking about a subsequent bash lash i don't see it. >> what's involved here is a rule of law, the president of the united states has no authority to suspend the enforcement of immigration laws in toto as hillary clinton proposed. there's not one mind within the latino community. you want to talk about the mayors in the rio grande community and they're mad about not enough people being deported. these are latino mayors, this influx of illegals is over running their social safety network. >> thank you panel. up next our power player of the week a political new start up finding different ways to attract readers, and viewers.
it's no surprise technology is changing the way we get our news. what can still be a shock is when millions of us now get that news from companies that didn't exist during the last presidential election. here's our power player of the week. >> what we do better than anything we help people experience the news. show me versus tell me what's happening and i'll make the decision myself. >> alex is founder and ceo of independent journal review. a four-year-old social media news company that targets
millennials. 30 million different visitors a month. making it one of the top five news sites in the country. >> we have more vine views than any other news organization in america. six second news bites of a story. >> it was rji's vine on trump's hands. >> i've had people say donald you have the most beautiful hands. actually i'm 6'3". >> and trump and cruz at the last fox debate. >> not complicated. count to ten, donald. >> one two three four. >> when we think about the news coverage and the audience we're reaching, we want to create experiences for them which they value more than anything else. they want to feel like they're there. >> the independent journal review are honored to be here in manchester. >> when ijr co-sponsored a debate. they created a 360 experience so you could put yourself in the hall. they got 10 million views for this article. where a husband calculated it
would cost him $70,000 a year to pay for all the things his stay at home wife does. >> machine gun bacon. >> but what's put ijr on the map this election are videos. >> like lindsey graham showing what it felt like when donald trump gave out his cell phone number. ♪ with replays on cable news that got 62 million views. i met with their video team. >> seriously, you all got attention deficit disorders? >> yes. >> we're looking at the stats on viewership of the videos. you can watch after 30 seconds the viewership just plummet. >> he was the digital director for the republican senatorulate kmae . >> i made a bet was because i
was frustrated there was large part of america that was being ignored. we've had a an amazing months. >> they have the staff of more than 100. it's part of a company that also runs a republican consulting firm. but he says the news website is independent. >> our team is completely separate from -- two separate companies. so there is zero conflict at all. >> now 29, he wants ijr to be the media breakout star of 2016. >> we get e-mails thank you for showing me this perspective. you're listening to us and allowing us to be part of the conversation. there's nothing better to me than when someone says they're fan of what we're doing. and thank you. >> now, this program notes. be sure to tune to fox news channel tuesday at 7:00 p.m. eastern. for full coverage of the latest super tuesday. including winner take all contests in florida and ohio. karl rove and i will be back as
the campaign cowboys crunching numbers as they come in. that's it for today. have a great week. and we'll see you next "fox news sunday." business network. have a great sunday, everybody. thanks. on a buzz beater this sunday, donald trump sit down with me to talk about his nasty fight with marco rubio. his use of personal insults, his past praise of hillary clinton, when he's flexible on immigration, and the harshest attack by his media's detractors. >> these are bigoted people -- >> bigoted? >> these are people who have such hatred for me. i don't know why. i don't know them. i do think it's unfair. they don't call me. i've never spoken to any of them to the best of my knowledge. you would think that if they're going to write some being me, they'd call. they'd talk to me. >> we also talked about when he'll stop showing up for televised debates. >> i think the debates are out of control.