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tv   Americas Newsroom With Bill Hemmer and Martha Mac Callum  FOX News  March 30, 2016 6:00am-8:01am PDT

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obviously you are. we appreciate that. >> all right. so "after the show show" coming up shortly. if you have run -- i have to run from the tv to the radio. three hours coming up. >> and we talked about who was in the original "parent trap" according to the stage manager -- hayley mills. >> yes. hi. bill: good morning. on this morning, donald trump standing by his man as his campaign manager corey lewandowski is charged with battery. i'm bill hemmer. martha: i'm martha maccallum. florida police releasing new surveillance video of the march 8 incident the that happened at the trump hotel. you see fields trying to ask the frontrunner a question and you
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see lawn do you ski out and making some kind of contact. >> i looked at the tape. it's my tape. i have a great club with cameras all over for security reasons. i'm glad we were able to produce the tape. i don't see anything. i see virtually nothing. we are going to destroy a man's life over this? they are chopping off heads and drowning people in the middle east and we are going to destroy a man's life? martha: leland in term of procedure what comes next? reporter: lewandowski turned himself in to police yesterday and he has to be back may 4. any actual and intentional touching or striking of. >> the person against that
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person's will or the intentional causing of bodily harm to another person. here is the video. you make your own decision. fields in white trying to ask trump a question, lewandowski in the spotlight. if this ever goes to the jury there will be the video and a "washington post" reporter who says they witnessed the incident as well. initially he tweeted to michelle fields, you are delusional. i have never touched you. in fact i have never even met you. his lawyer says he's innocent of the charge. and if convicted this is a misdemeanor charge. martha: everybody obviously weighed in once this tape came out yesterday. give us a feel on the campaign
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trail for this. >> typically in politics campaign managers are fired for a far more benign infraction to avoid the controversy. but trump is standing by his man and the other candidates in the race are pouncing. >> it shouldn't be complicated. members of the campaign after shouldn't be assaulting the press. >> from what i understand the video is clear, of course i would fire him. >> i think there has been a lot of rhetoric as well as behavior coming from donald trump's campaign that's concerning to many people, including many women. reporter: trump is taking this as a bang of honor. >> i am not going to destroy a man's life. maybe it's politically better for me to do it.
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that's what we need running the country. we can't have weak guy like cruz and kasich. >> his opponents never let a crisis go to waste. we'll see where it goes. bill: a campaign promise that appears to be have much in question. all three leaving in doubt their pledge to support the he season rule republican nominee. >> if donald trump was the eventual nominee, would you support him? >> let me tell you my solution to that. donald will not be the nominee. >> he doesn't have to support me. i want the people's support. we'll see who it is. i have been treated very unfairly. i'll give you an example. >> by who?
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>> i think by basically the rnc, the republican party, the establishment. >> if the nominee is somebody i think is hurting the country and dividing the country, i can't and behind them. we have a ways to go. bill: jonah goldberg, you say think was a good thing. what kid you mean by that -- what did you mean by "a good thing." >> i never thought the pledge was a good thing. i thought it was a bad idea. since it was a fiction, better that the candidate not pretend they are going to live by it. they should be up front and open about it. we need more clarifying moments. bill: what i heard from trump was more direct.
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>> i think cruz wants to hedge his bets. trump's answer is better because it's straightforward. and he sort of splits the difference. but we understand what he was saying. bill: you write today, how would you top donald trump? that's the headline. here is the critical paragraph. the margin of trump's shortfall will matter immensely if that's what happens. on a practical level if he comes shy of 1,237 he would probably push delegates over the edge or horse trade with kasich, making the governor his running-mate. is that where we are? >> if trump loses in wisconsin,
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it's difficult to see how he gets to 1,237. a lot of this is murky. he does need to win and get over the hurdle. if he doesn't, then the question is how short of 1,237 does he get. that sets more than the combined delegates. and that's a very difficult thing for him to scoop up one or two delegates to get over. and delegate psychology. if he's shy of 1,237, it's up to say no one crossed the finish line and it's up to us to fix it. delegates will be wary of violating the popular will. bill: i think you are right about the importance of wisconsin. rubio is holding on to his
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delegates. i think we have him at 164, you have him at 171. why do you think that's such a big deal that he's holding on to his delegates. >> they are bound to him and that reduces the pool of goreable delegates for donald trump when the horse trading begins. moreover, it will be contested he will have these delegates. we'll start with a credential fight on the floor. and the more you have those fights on the floor, and the more you make it seem like everything is up for grabs, everything is up for negotiation, and that's probably bad for donald trump. martha: meanwhile the candidates jockeying for position in
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washington. donald trump saying he wants to debate one-on-one. >> john kasich has no chance to win. we are competing to win the nomination. john kasich went 0-27. he lost 27 states in a row. martha: . cruz spending half a million in the next week including an ad accusing kasich of not playing to win. >> he's playing to block out the grassroots. kasich votes against the second amendment and expanded obamacare in ohio costing taxpayers billions. martha: since the beginning
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people have thought there would be a trump implosion. of course, there never has been. but i think kasich is holding out hope there will be and saying if you don't like ted cruz. i'm your guy. >> early on in the campaign it seems like you made a political calculation not to go after him. >> the media was engaged in a lovefest giving donald trump $2 billion in free advertising. bill: carly fiorina responds to that in a moment. stay tuned for that and this. martha: lightning strikes too close for comfort. >> it was crazy. loud, loud, loud.
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but most of the time you feel like you're trying to wrangle a hurricane. the rest of the time, they're asleep. then one day, hr schedules a meeting with you out of the blue. and it's the worst 19 minutes of your career. but you don't sweat it because you and your advisor have prepared for this. and when the best offer means you're moving to the middle of nowhere, the boys say they hate the idea. but you pretend it's not so bad. and years later at thanksgiving, when one of them says what he's thankful for most, is this house, you realize you didn't plan for any of this you wouldn't have done it any other way. with the right financial partner, progress is possible. >> early on in the campaign it seems like you made a political calculation not to go after trump. >> i knew the media was engaged in a lovefest giving donald trump $2 billion in free -- >> you were engaged in a lovefest. >> how many hours of free media
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to fox, cnn and other stations. you let him call in. >> we asked for interviews for a year and you decline every offer. >> donald trump is coming later and he's terrified make a debate because he doesn't want to stand and have his record checked. bill: ted cruz making his case against the media. earlier i talked to carly fiorina. she is in wisconsin campaigning for senator cruz. senator cruz argues that we give hours of free air time to donald trump. we make the offer every day for him to be here and the last time he was here was september 9. that argument doesn't go far. >> most normal candidates have to be out there talking to voters. donald trump tends to fly in, have a rally, and spend all day
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on the air. i'm not at all surprised that at 9:00 in the morning when your show airs that ted cruz is out talking to voters. i think it's also undeniable that donald trump has gone the unprecedented access to the airways. donald trump was allowed to call into shows and skip from sunday show to sunday show. ebeverybody else had to pick whh sunday show they were on. bill report invitation is always there. all three are back away from this pledge to support the nominee. are they laying the ground work to make a case for contesting this in cleveland come july? >> i think it reality is this. the probabilities of this being a contested convention, that is a situation where no one comes
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in with the 1,237 delegates to clinch the nomination outright, they are increasing because ted cruz keeps doing better and better, denying trump the 1,237 he needs. the probability of a contested convention are increasing because john kasich won't get out. he's so far behind in delegates an hasn't won anywhere except ohio. i think what you are hearing is people saying this well could be a contested convention. on the other hand, what i said way back in june. donald trump doesn't represent me and he doesn't represent my party. so i'll work hard to make sure he's not our nominee. bill: and i heard you say repeatedly you will not support him if he is.
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bill: here is trump on cruz. >> cruz gets all the establishment support while he pretend to be an outsider. believe me, they are all establishment. cruz is establishment yet he has no relationship with the establishment. to stand there and rant and rave for two days and show people you can filibuster. in the meantime, nothing was accomplished. cruz has not accomplished one thing. >> i think what scott walker is, is a real conservative. it's somebody who understands the problem we have now is too much power concentrated in the hands of too few. too much political power and too much economic power. republicans have preside over
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that accumulation of power just like democrats have. donald trump is that system. donald trump has made his billions buying politicians off. he's not going to challenge that system though this voters hope that he will. his entire life has been about using the system for his own personal benefit. he's going to keep using the system. he won't challenge it, he is the system. >> you mention the battle for delegates. based on the gnat -- this is why wisconsin is so important tuesday. if donald trump wins tuesday, he has the path to get right to the number, right at 1,237. ted cruz has to win 80% of the delegates still on the table. that's why tuesday is so critical for both men. you have been out there constantly campaigning for ted cruz.
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is he guaranteed a response in the administration if he gets the nomination? >> i voted for ted cruz in the virginia primary before i ever had a conversation with him about supporting him. i'm supporting him because it's a real conservative and i think that matters. he has a chance to challenge the establishment. i'm on the ground in wisconsin. what i see is huge enthusiasm for ted cruz. what i see are people coming to realize who donald trump is. donald trump tend to win in contests where there has been early voting. but the more people learn about donald trump, the less votes he gets. here we are coming to an important primary. the people of wisconsin have an important decision tuesday. i think ted cruz is going to do
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very well. bill: carly fiorina, thank you for your time. we'll speak again down the road. martha: the search is ramping up right now. there are more terrorists on the loose in europe right now, and the u.s. may hold the key to finding them.
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bill: iran's supreme leader calling missiles are the key to the future. he says those who say the key to the future is in negotiations and not missiles are either tray
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towards or ignorant. the u.n. says it may need to hit iran with more sanctions after those missile tests. ban ki-moon says it will be up to the u.n. leaders from 56 countries will be at the sum tonight washington, but not vladimir putin. russia has declined to send a rep to that meeting. martha: they wouldn't have agreed to back off any of those programs if not for the iran deal. isis not backing down on it attempt to recruit mass murderers. the terror group sending a text message to a young belgium
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muslim urging him to quote join us in the fight and make good choices in your life. this as the search continues for a third suspect on the right side of your screen in the airport bombing. he's still out there and who knows what other plans he may be a part of. reports about is recruiting in that hotbed neighborhood. the report coming out this week says that a text message had been received by a young person in the molenbeek area of brussels. and it calls for more attacks on westerners. there are concerns more texts like that could be sent out. we have no confirmation of that. but we were told that radical
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masks as well as extremist activists are pushing the isis cause very strongly in person with the young people in that neighborhood as well as a variety of social media platforms. it's hard to find more recruits and it's fertile ground. martha: the u.s. can play an important role in all of this. reporter: we are alreadying more and more about the u.s. role into the probe into the attacks last week. america appears to be the hardest hit by those attacks and that's one important reason why the u.s. is so involved. we are told the f.b.i. is examining computer hard drives and phones. u.s. officials are saying they are not only look for the infamous man in white. but they are still looking for a suspect seen with the metro
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bomber. they even reportedly are not ruling out those two suspects will be one person. the subway attack happened an hour after the airport. a little bit of terror commuting very weird, very sad, back to you. bill: a man hijacks your plane and claims to have explosives trapped to his body. this man asked for a selfie. martha: donald trump anding by his campaign manager. >> there are pictures where she is grabbing my arm and i'm going like this trying to get her off. i think it's a disgrace that
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bill: opening bell on wall street. the market finished strong after the feds suggested they may not move on interest rates this year, leaving many to wonder if the feds are ever going to raise interest rates again. waiting for perfect economic conditions, you will never have perfect economic conditions. off we go, the march toward 18,000 on the dow on america's newsroom. >> a lot of people are looking and saying how can anybody be charged? if you look at her, my look and a cording to a lot of people, she is grabbing at me and he's act as an intermediary and trying to block her.
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the news conference was done and finished and she was walking up and grabbing and asking questions. i told him you should never settle this case. you should go all the way. martha: donald trump says never ever settle a case because they will keep coming after you. trump claims there is no case against his campaign manager, corey lewandowski. brad blakeman is a former assistant to president george w. bush. he claims the reporter rushed up to him and grabbed him. but then right after that moment he claims that lewandowski didn't grab anybody. it's one of those things. anybody who looks at it is going to see it in their own way in some ways because it is sort
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of -- i don't want to say innocuous, but there is not a lot of action to dissect. >> i can't believe we are talking about this during a presidential campaign. martha: it goes to who you are as a person. >> what kind of leadership and tone are you setting for your campaign. this is not the tone one would want to see in the oval office. >> the other side of it says he's sticking up for his guy. he doesn't think he did anything wrong. people are tired of everything being this grand offense. >> political campaigns are scrums. i can't tell you the number of times i have been with candidates and presidents where they are transitioning from one room to another and people bump into each other.
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any other campaign would distance himself. and trump fly on this kind of publicity. it's a simple battery alleged assault. at the end of the day i think trump is doing the right thing by sticking by his campaign manager. martha: it point out to me how different this campaign is. under the old rules, i think the campaign manager would have said, mr. trump, i'm resigning. this story is about she, i want the focus to be on you. rick tyler did it not too long ago. >> this is the appeal of the trump campaign. trump never apologizes or says he's wrong. i think that's the appeal of donald trump which i don't think is helpful or healthy. martha: then the question becomes political. because trump's numbers in some of the polls we are seeing are
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diminishing just a little bit. they don't appear to be growing at the moment. we are going into wisconsin now. does it help him grow the number of people who support him? >> i don't think it does. we have seen as a plateau of donald trump. he's a plurality candidate, not a majority candidate. if we move on to pennsylvania where kasich is doing quite well, the math will never work for donald trump to get to the 1,237 and we are off to a contested convention, that's where i think this thing is headed. martha: mitt romney got 30% -- 27% of the hispanic vote and the women's vote, 54% of the country. >> he's not doing well with
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women or hispanics. many in the republican party are rooting for a contested convention and are hoping cruz or somebody else will be the nominee. martha: he pointed out a number of things that aren't typically conservative. he wants a universal healthcare system. so in those zones he's saying to democrats who don't like hillary or bernie, you are safe with me. >> you have to be select the party before you elected by the people. the kind of rhetoric we are hearing out of trump, where you want to run a little bit right of center or left of center in a general to get independence and what we call reagan democrats. but that certainly doesn't help him in the republican election process. the card that he played is to just go after everybody else and hammer them into the ground.
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>> it's not about where he stand on the issues. because he contradicts himself. he says i'm for free trade but then he says i want to tax 30%. martha: good to see you both. bill: the suspect of a bizarre hijacking will be held for at least 8 days. 72 crew members are said to be okay. but one passenger went home with a rather unusual souvenir. a picture with the alleged hijacker. you can clearly see the suicide belt around him. that was a fake. the passenger on the right is a 26-year-old brit. i figured if the bomb was real i had nothing to lose anyway. i got one of the cabin crew to translate and asked if i could
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do a selfie with him. it has to be the best selfie ever. technically not a selfie, right, mccallum? martha: you have to be careful with these terms. bill: the egyptian foreign minister said this guy is not a terrorist, he's an idiot. one of his buddies said he doesn't have much respect for authority. doesn't look good for me if he does have one on so we'll just take a picture. an historic move by the pentagon where they are preparing to expand u.s. military presence for the first time since the cold war. bill: terrifying moments when a lightning strike hits several firefighters. listen here. >> it was the most intense sound
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martha: intense thunderstorms rocking south florida. that's a scary bolt of lightning. it's too close for comfort. here is the guy who caught it on his camera. >> it just hit out of nowhere. it just hit down into the area. there was a plume of smoke then it reflected on the building, the orange from the lightning. martha: other areas hit by torrential rain. lightning injured three firefighters who were putting out a house fire. all three expected to be okay.
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bill: parts of turkey considered too dangerous. they have a problem with isis and more. this is the "wall street journal" reports the pentagon is getting ready to step up security along the borders in eastern europe for the first time since the cold war. nice to see you. there is a ton to talk about. "new york times" editorial, america needs frank talk on isis. you were quoted as saying my view is the president jumps through hoops because of his views of his politically. >> we put artificial troop caps on how many people we americans can have in iraq at any one time, yet we rotate other troops through for 30-day increments to
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stabilize the troop cap. there are constraints the president gets himself into that makes it difficult for our military to accomplish their missions. the president says we have a troop cap of 4,-something people, yet they rotate them through in short increments. so he's not telling the american people wham he's doing. this president ran to get out of iraq pech wanted to be out of afghanistan. and that's not possible. but rather than show leadership and explain the american people this threat to isis. what we need to do and how it threatens us, he wants to keep these artificial troop caps. it's going in the right direction but he's not leaving. bill: how significant is it that
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the families of the troops in turkey are told to get out. >> their network has spread deeper in europe than we thought. they are in libya, afghanistan, and they present a threat to turkey, a nato ally. rather than get fix eight on how much territory isis controls is important. bill: turkey is under pressure. in eastern europe. what is the suggestion that the u.s. government, the pentagon wants to put more forces on the eastern border. what's happening there. reporter: the president realized we have cut too much in our military. he has proposed basically tripling the amount of money we spend with exercises and troop movements as a deterrent to
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putin and russian aggression. the problem is the president has not asked for more money to pay for it. the only place the military can couple with the funds to do what he's proposing is to cut people, to cut training, to cut maintenance, and that's what's happening. you are robbing peter to pay paul. it may be the right thing to have a greater presence in europe and iraq and syria and afghanistan. but you have got to pay for it. bill: it's the suggestion that putin is up to something we have not put on our radar today? >> putin has proven he will do the unexpected. he will take advantage of opportunities. i think that is -- so you don't know for sure what he will do next. what you do know is that we cut too much out of europe and we are paying the price for that.
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bill: the president is making a move to correct that. >> but he has not increased -- that comes at a financial cost. and the president has not asked for the money to pay for these extra activities. so he leaves the military in the position of continuing to defer maintenance of cutting troops, this is the fourth year in a row the president has asked not for the full pay raise that our troops are entitled to. they are not getting all the benefits the law says they should because he keeps squeezing down on the money. it may be the right thing to do, but you have got to pay for it. bill: we have seen brutal attack after brutal attack in the last the few days. what is the conversation within the walls of washington and congress as the to how significant this threat is
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growing and what the american people need to understand. >> i think the number one point is it's already bigger than we thought. as they keep peeling back the layers in europe. the network isis already established is far deeper and broader than anybody realized with financ financiers and the e network. isis is gaining a foothold from libya through to afghanistan, and everybody in between. so it's broader as well as deeper. bill: it will become broader and deep and there is no comprehensive strategy. >> the president presented a comprehensive strategy. and he sent off a seven-page document last week and it's not a comprehensive strategy,
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certainly not to deal with the depth and breadth isis is. the threat here at home as the well as europe is only going to grow. martha: we are learning about a possible isis cyber attack targeting american police officers. the disturbing details on that and how the authorities are responding. bill: three republican nominees putting the pedal to the metal in wisconsin. >> i don't want to make people uncomfortable. i don't need their support. >> sow the pledge you took is null and void? whoever the republican nominee is you will no longer guarantee you will support? @e@8ñúñ÷@@
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martha: actors associated with isis targeting knowledge transit police posting officers' personal information on line and calling on supporters to carry out lone wolf attacks. what do we know about the attackers? >> they call themselves the caliphate cyber army or cca and are a self-described pro-isis group who focus on defacing websites and spreading propaganda. they released a series of tweets that listed the names and ranks of 25 officers. the group of encouraged people to carry out lone wolf attacks. the lone wolf are hungry for your blood. those tweets have been since
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pulled off line. new jersey transit says its information was breached from an outside vendor. experts believe the increase of frequency of these cyber attacks signal advancement in the groups hacking capabilities. we have been looking through this. though the groups twitter account has been taken down for now. the cca has had online operations going on in the u.s., u.k., russia, and france. most of the hack offenses include family-owned businesses, aolar energy company in england, the group claims to attack google then were mocked when it emerged that they hacked an india-based company with the
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word google in it. they issues threats against russian president vladimir putin as well. bill: we have more questions in the wake of that airline hijacking. how did a man wearing a fake suicide belt get through security. is isis planning attacks on children?
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martha: republican candidates pushing full speed ahead right now, backing away from their earlier pledges to back the eventual nominee, whoever it is, and they are focusing now on wisconsin. that is the task at hand. 42 delegates up for grabs there. welcome, everybody, brand new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. good morning. crucial primary on tuesday. candidates discuss issues and making their case in a town hall
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in wisconsin, meanwhile party unity is on the line. trump's promise to support the nominee is out the window apparently. >> do you continue to pledge whoever the republican nominee is. >> no, i don't anymore. >> no. >> you don't? >> we'll see who it is. >> the pledge you took is null and void, reporting republican nominee is, you say you will no longer guarranty to support the republican nominee. are they plotting to take this away from you at the convention? >> i don't know. i don't know. we'll see what happens. you would have a lot of upset people if that happened. bill: he wasn't only one. chief political correspondent carl cameron in appleton, wisconsin. cruz and kasich, standing by the pledge, not so pledge, where are they also? reporter: they are not quite as definitive as donald trump was last night and they made it very clear they don't like the pledge. john kasich has said we shouldn't have taken the pledge. ted cruz for some time now is saying he is not in the habit of endorsing people that attack him
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or his family or his children or his wife. they both did weigh in on it, basically like trump did, reneged on. they're withdrawing from the deal, listen. >> i'm not in the habit of supporting someone who attacks my wife and attacks my family. i think that is going beyond the line. i think our wives and our kids should be off limit. >> i have got to see what happens. if the nominee i think is somebody hurting the country and dividing the country, i can't stand behind him. we have aways to go. let's see how this folds out. reporter: it has been personal and not very much about policy. the attacks have gotten more and more toxic the past few days. that is really what is behind this. they don't trust each other, they don't like each other and they don't believe with juan another are talking about in terms of policies. kasich and cruise cruz mocking trump on foreign policy and lack of command on issues. bill? bill: looks like you have a
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caravan of folks leaving behind you. carl, scott walker endorsement. popular republican governor. does he really help cruz in the state of wisconsin? what is the measure of that now? reporter: he does organizationally. having been a former rival shows cruz can make friends when one of the criticisms he hasn't got very many in the republican party particularly in washington but it was odd to see last night donald trump really pounding on scott walker yet again. trump has been arguing the trade economy here is bad. that his ability to get fair deals would be good for wisconsin and scott walker has not done a good job for the economy. so, remarkably uncommon, even for somebody who wasn't endorsed by scott walker to be banging on the governor as trump was last night. the other thing last night trump was suggested when asked three most important things for the president to do for country. he said security and added health care and education. those two latter things are very, very different from what most republicans or conservatives would ever suggest
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be priorities for president. security, absolutely. health care is something most republicans and conservatives think should be kept in the private sector and not made a big part of the government. trump said the government could lead it not necessarily take care of it. where education is concerned trump got around to saying he would like to get rid of common core. education, said most republicans conservatives would do away with the whole department. lack of understanding what has been republican conservative orthodoxy for years. bill: carl. you look cold. thank you. >> it is chilly. bill: be warm in wisconsin. martha: it looks chilly. tucker carlson, editor of "the daily caller." fox news contributor. good morning to you. >> good morning, martha. martha: let's start off where carl left off, what donald trump said. he believes biggest responsibilities of a president are security, health care around education. what do you think? >> he is redefining republican party. no doubt about that one of the
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reasons he is despised in washington. you can't say he is not talking about significant issues. except for the last week, a sideshow largely his fault. there is campaign about real things. what does the republican party stand for. what it the federal role of health care. i don't think trump is particularly good on his position, he has raised these things not been raised in the republican party in 40 years? this is a big deal. one of the reasons you see real resistance in washington. not even resistance. we're moving toward a crisis in the republican party as the party here tries to stop him. martha: that crisis you point to, sounds more and more, tucker, like the path of it leads right to the convention. >> that's right. martha: these candidates as we heard them last night appear to be more and more dug in in fighting this out. even marco rubio basically participating by saying he will hold on to his delegates. where do you see it ahead. >> i don't think you can overstate how big this is. of course anybody watching understands why republicans in
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d.c. would be very concerned about trump not just his effect on country and their livelihoods. this is big deal. i get it. step back and consider how profound a moment if a man got fewer delegates in the primaries, in the case of paul ryan, no delegates at all was awarded nomination. that is sign of voters basic thing that where country works as democracy is false. this is run by small group of donors. this is the way it is. you can have primaries and nominating contests. we used to do it that. maybe we should do it again. the assumption of voter says my vote matters. martha: tucker, becomes a case of 1237, you have to win. i said to john kasich, if donald trump gets 1237 you would back off, right? he refused to answer the question. to me unless you change the rules that has to be marker, if somebody gets 1237 they have won the nomination, no.
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>> entire kasich can day sy is remarkable thing. he won only home state in washington considered a viable candidate for the nomination. it is rebuke to the idea that the average person has a role in this. why not let nine donors make the decision which is in effect what they're trying to do. i'm not coming out for trump. to flip it around, put a guy who one fewer delegates or hasn't won any or only a few in position of party's nominee, that really, it is going to make people rethink how the person works or whether they should play a role in the system. martha: absolutely. people figured out watching all of this their vote doesn't matter all that much. it comes down to the delegate process. >> that's right. martha: your vote only matters if it goes on the first ballot the but after that everything is thrown out. donald trump made it very clear. he feels like he is mistreated by party, mistreated by establishment of the sounds he will go his own way, tucker if he doesn't get nomination. >> i have trouble believing
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that, because it is too expensive to run third party, i don't think trump is willing to pay for it. voting is pressure relief valve we offer to the population which doesn't understand how economy works. frustrated very much changes in economy, changes in demographics. if you don't like it you can vote a new system into place. if the republican party abandons that promise or appears to, they can say these are the rules, but it seems like they don't care for the average person's vote. you risk chaos, society chaos, bad chaos. it is scary. martha: tucker, always good to see you. >> thanks, martha. bill: fox news alert overseas. authorities want cyprus to hand over the man who hijacked a plane using a fake explosive vest. the suspect was in court today where the plane was forced down in cyprus and arrested after a standoff. passengers and crew, they're okay.
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john huddy in the middle east bureau live in jerusalem. what more can you tell us on this story today, john? reporter: as far as the charges this guy is facing bill, he is facing hijacking, obviously kidnapping, threats to commit violence. very bizarre day. in fact, take a look as seif eddin mustafa left court earlier this morning in larnaca in cyprus. he flash ad sign, victory sign, peace sign, unclear what he was trying to get across. he did this obviously to photographers and reporters there. a cyprus court ordered him eight days detention. cypriot authorities say he is psychologically unstable and one egypt -- egyptian official called mustafa an idiot, not a terrorist. this started midway through a
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flight from alexandria to cairo. mustafa said he a explosive belt on. a six hour standoff ensued forcing most of the passengers off the plane, keeping three passengers on board before they eventually got off the plane as well. the explosive belt turned out to be a fake. the question, why did he do it. heartbreak not seeing his wife and children, bill. of course that is obviously not a reason to hijack a plane. bill: we'll wait for the next ripple in this story. john huddy, live in jerusalem on that. thank you, john. nine minutes past. martha: one of the questions about this what does it tell us about airport security, when passenger can breeze through screening, look at images of this man exactly that with the belt wrapped around his waste unless it was in his bag and they didn't pick it up. homeland security chair mike mccaul talking about homeland
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security failure. could this happen in the united states. bill: police in belgium at a building where they think suspects could be holed up. we'll have that in moment. martha: the republican nomination could hinge on a certain kind of delegate that is not required to be loyal. what candidates are doing to lock in those supporters state to state. >> we could get to a convention where nobody has 1237 delegates and we come in with a ton of delegates, donald trump comes in with a ton of delegates. and if that happens. then it becomes a battle for the delegates. this is my retirement. retiring retired tires. and i never get tired of it. are you entirely prepared to retire? plan your never tiring retiring retired tires retirement with e*trade.
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bill: new raid in holland days after police detain four suspected terrorists there. heavily-armed officers targeting a building in rotterdam. no weapons found, no suspects arrested. after a operation on sunday when a frenchman and three others were detained in the city. the man is wanted in france and facing extradition. martha: fox news alert now. president obama speaking at easter prayer breakfast, commenting on terror attack in pakistan and other places in the world and here is what he had to say. >> these attacks can foment fear and division. they can tempt us to cast out the stranger. strike out against those who don't look like us. or pray exactly as we do. and they can lead us to turn our backs on those who are most in
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need of help and refuge. that is the intent of the terrorists. it is to weaken our faith. to weaken our best impulses, our better angels. martha: joining us now live republican congressman michael mccaul, chair of the house homeland security community, and author of "failures of the imagination, the deadliest threats to the our homeland and how to authority them." good morning. >> good morning, martha. martha: your thoughts on what the president had to say. >> i normally don't agree with the president but i agree with him on those comments. look what happened in pakistan, 70 women and children killed in a park by terrorists and in turkey, isis is targeting jewish
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children at schools, sufficient enough to pull out servicemen and family members and diplomat family members to evacuate out of turkey. state department following that warning about travel to turkey. this, the world is on fire, martha, right now. martha: it clearly is. and as you point out, when we are pulling people out of turkey and the word is that there is an imminent threat to children and they believe that it is centered around a synagogue that has a children's center at it, i guess you know the obvious next question what is our power, what is the international power to uncover this threat and to stop it? >> well we have a both a covert counterterrorism operation in turkey to try to -- there is an active plot underway i should say, this is imminent threat. we had six operatives taken into custody. isis operatives from the caliphate who basically have been talking about this imminent
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threat and plotting it. so right now in turkey what is underway an attempt to stop this plot. this gives you insight what the president is talking about the sort of sinister nature of isis and terrorists and taliban, they would go after little children and kill them in the name of their religion. i think it is really shows you what we're at war with right now. and why we need to win this war. martha: i know that there are critics of the president who would say that we turned our back on this problem quite a while ago in syria and that it may not have gotten as out of control as it is if we hadn't done that. i guess you know that horse is long out of the barn so to speak and now we have to deal with the situation as it is. >> well, i think you're right, the failed foreign policy when you fail in foreign policy and national security, this is what you get. get chaos and killings and isis now spreading throughout the region. i agree with exactly what you
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said. martha: let's look at this airport situation which happened which turned out not to be terrorist-related. it was obviously an unstable man. we watch video as he goes through the tsa line -- it is not tsa, he is in egypt so going through their security forces but being patted down. we see later he has a thing wrapped around his waist apparently on the airplane, makes people wonder about the whole system abroad and at home. >> right. this is alexandria airport. airport security is not that great at that airport. martha: apparently. >> in united states we actually have a role, i tasked legislation to help security at these airport to fly to the united states. that is higher level of security, having said that he put this in his bag. it was a fake bomb, if you will. and so the detector didn't go off when it went through a metal detector. a bunch of cell phones strapped
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together. i would hope tsa and in the united states even appearance of a bomb could potentially be a hoax on a aircraft and you know, the fact remains, martha, the particularly in egypt, that part of the world, that aviation is still the crown jewel for the terrorists. they want to bring down airplanes like they did the russian airliner. what you need to be on top of our game over there. martha: we sure do. one more question for you with the apple situation. now it appears that a foreign entity was able to hack into this system and allow the fbi to get into syed farook's phone and they have a thousand other phones they hope to unlock the technology as well so who needs apple this situation, right? >> the initial lawsuit was dropped by the justice department to force apple to open their phone. it has been reported that an israeli firm was utilized to do this. you know, i think the good news
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about the this story though is that apple is not forced to compromise their own device and yet we still got the evidence from a dead terrorist's cell phone about potentially another suspect who may be out there. remember, for about two months the data was not stored in the cloud. so that is what the fbi was most interested in. i hope it leads to solving that crime, that horrible terrorist attack in san bernanadino. martha: chairman mccaul, thank you. always good to see you, sir. >> thank you, martha. bill: 20 minutes now past the hour. this fireworks stand going up in flames. watch. that is an intense fire and explosion. we'll tell you what caused it. hillary clinton's server, why a federal judge moved her case to the next legal level. >> 147 fbi agents have been working on this for over a year. they have a mountain of evidence. they are now ready to test that evidence by asking questions of
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martha: there was an explosion and fire at fireworks market overseas. take a look. that is what that would sound like, right? it is in poland near german border. fireworks going off in the background. we're getting reports eight people were hurt. dozens of stands and some cars were destroyed. investigation is underway to figure out what the heck happened there. bill: yeah, what the heck. hillary clinton, bernie sanders getting empire state of mind. new york primary coming up in three weeks. 247 delegates at stake for democrats. latest count that clinton is
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halfway to the magic number but sanders gained momentum with three caucus wins over weekend. ed henry is in harlem. ed, she spent a lot of time in her adopted home state. is there concern she could lose new york to bernie sanders? reporter: bill, good to see you. they certainly seem nervous. there is a long line, i can tell you, stretching through the streets of harlem to get into the apollo theater. she is trying to exploit her advantage over african-american voters over bernie sanders. she is spending a ton of time. she has campaign events today. more tomorrow. it has been learned, bill clinton, the former president will be here in new york city for four different events tomorrow all around the city at various union shops. late last night it was revealed she is now spending big money on it. v adhere in the new york city market. that is significant. remember, she was in the senate reaching this market,
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representing people here for eight years. yet she is spending money on it. v ad attacking donald trump, republican front-runner. gives you an idea they are nervous that bernie sanders may be making big gains here in her adopted home state, bill. bill: you know, sanders is challenging her to a debate. she rebuffed that offer so far. could that change, could that debate still happen? >> seemed like he is opening door, she told reporters, hillary clinton did, she is open to debate in new york with bernie sanders. that is abrupt turn b as you say she originally rebuffed idea. the campaign strategist said the reason is bernie sanders has been very negative in attacking her, and would not have debate until he stopped. i can tell you bernie sanders has not stopped attacks. he says they are not negative. that shows contrast that he is different from the front-runner. the fact that clinton is saying she is open to one shows she is feeling pressure from sanders.
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bill: thank you, ed henry live in harlem outside of the apollo. thank you. martha: donald trump clearly leads the republican field in delegates, but if he does not get enough to lock up the presidential nomination. >> excuse me. >> -- plotting at convention. >> i don't know. we'll see what happens. we would have a lot of very upset people if that happened. martha: now the candidates focusing on locking up a different kind of delegate, one who could change their allegiance if a contested battle happens. bill: a massive collision not on the highway, but deep in outer space. you will not find this on google maps because it is millions of miles away. what it is teaching scientists today. we'll tell you. ♪ one crest 3d white smile...
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are holding primaries or caucuses but republican front-runner donald trump has not yet locked up the 1237 number as you well know because we show you these numbers all the time. he has 73, cruz has 463. you need 1237 to seal this thing up. trump and rivals are turning focus to so-called unbound delegates who are not obligated to support a candidate past the first vote in contested convention. they're working hard on gathering them in their corner. chief washington correspondent james rosen has more how this could play out, this battle for delegates outside of the caucuses and primaries has been going a long time, isn't that right, james? reporter: that's right, martha. this is so hopelessly complicated they could produce outcomes a candidate did not prevail in given primary might yet win that state's delegation to the convention. gop front-runner vowed to file a
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lawsuit and internal challenge within the rnc report his nearest rival, texas senator ted cruz despite losing louisiana primary to trump oncould draw eh of support of unbound delegates to rubio supporters where he could overtake trump in the pelican state delegation by as many as 10 delegates. >> have you made no appropriations for a contested convention? >> well, listen there are one of two things are likely to happen. >> i didn't ask what you think is likely. i asked have you made no preparations. >> we made preparations for every contingency. this is campaign that made preparations for all contingencies. reporter: this is taking place as you imagine at state level where state conventions and party organs elect who serves as delegates to the summer convention. martha: people see outward campaigning but actually how do they go about wrapping up these unbound delegates.
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reporter: we're familiar with the scenes. actually mechanics. people are wined and done and favors and jobs discussed in strictly hypothetical terms of course. one man who seen it all in his time and then some, morton blackwell, republican national committeeman since 1988. he attended every gop convention dating back to goldwater in 1964. >> if there is a second ballot, i want to have as many of your supporters credentialed as delegates as possible. my perception is that the cruz campaign, and i'm a cruz supporter, is better organized in the states to take part in the election of delegates. reporter: in short to win over these unbound delegates and cultivate second ballot support from still others one has no choice but to ingratiate himself with the beast of foul odor in this cycle, the republican establishment. martha.
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martha: yep. seems ben carson has been enlisted to do some of that now for donald trump. we'll see how successful he is at that. james, thank you very much. reporter: thank you. bill: for more on this, michael warren, staff writer "weekly standard." how are you doing? good morning. >> good morning, bill. bill: america will be very curious to find out this is far from a strictly democratic process, would you agree? >> yes. there is this mistaken idea the way the parties choose their nominations because a lot of it has to do going in the voting booth it was a democratic process. in that case the 2008 democratic nominee would be hillary clinton. she ended up winning more primary votes than barack obama. that is not how parties work. they are not governmental entities. they make their own rules how they select their nominees. you end up with situations like what we're looking at now, donald trump is leading in number of, you know, votes he has gotten in the primary fights but won't necessarily get that majority of delegates and he might not even win the delegates
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that maybe he should have won if he had had all of his druthers about him in getting the right amount of slated delegates in these states. bill: this may be all for naught. but for now it's a possibility. here is cruz talking about that last night. >> we could get to a convention where nobody has 1237 delegates and we come in with a ton of delegates. only two names on the ballot are going to be donald trump and me. on rules those are only two people can be voted on. i think in that situation we're in a very strong position to earn the 1237 votes. bill: i would expect cruz to argue that but is he right? who has really been working these delegates? >> i agree with morton blackwell, even though he is cruz supporter cruz has been much more organized. i think trump and his campaign were taken off-guard by machinations going on behind the scenes and gotten to late.
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you can see this in the louisiana issue where louisiana for donald trump, it was very close and donald trump and ted cruz split most of those delegates but cruz was much more able to get those unbound delegates that were left after that race, and trump you can see trying to argue there is a legal case. i think it was really taken off-guard. i think that indicates to you how much more organized ted cruz really is. i would give the advantage to cruz on this, even though donald trump i think has the advantage in terms of media, attention to his side of the case. bill: let me emphasize that point you're making. louisiana was a state won by trump through, right? four points. same for, pop over to mississippi and georgia, alabama as i mentioned there and also south carolina. what you're starting to read, michael, it is all purple because it is all trump. what you're reading in these states, cruz is working them to get at delegates. watch that story. a look ahead here. this is wisconsin next tuesday.
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michael, go ahead and, let's emphasize the calendar and delegates on the line. 42 in wisconsin, okay? but it is not winner-take-all. then you go to wyoming on the 9th. then new york on the 19th. you know trump will do well in new york state. agreed or yes or no? >> i think it is open question because there is still a lot with congressional districts and win each district. bill: some poll something putting trump over 50%. we'll see if that holds. go to the end of month of april, five big state in the northeast. that is why wisconsin is so critical. if you figure out in wisconsin, if trump wins by a point he stands at getting to the number of 1237. if he doesn't, then we're looking at very long summer, michael. >> absolutely. and, this discussion that we're having right now about unbound delegates and what happens after the first ballot just becomes more accelerated. i think that what we really are looking at is, a convention in
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july in cleveland where it is going to be a very raucous, you know, event on the floor where people are jockeying position and in trying to trade fav oars that sort of thing -- favors. as journalist it will be a fun to cover. bill: before we get there, do you get a sense who has edge in wisconsin? you talk to people, walker has the not, endorsement for cruz yesterday, size it up? >> a lot of states that donald trump has done well in, you heard of wisconsin nice, that is upper midwest, genteel kind of attitude i don't think donald trump necessarily fits in very well with. conservative talk radio up in wisconsin has not been so siller to towards donald trump. all that helps ted cruz. the get does john kasich play a spoiler. does ted cruz really convince people up there who are trying to decide that he is the one who can beat donald trump?
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i think he has the best chance there, ted cruz does than anywhere else in the midwest and that is good for ted cruz and bad for donald trump as we just demonstrated. bill: michael warren things -- thanks. out of washington today. >> thanks, bill. martha: the government finding evidence of misconduct and bad faith in federal lawsuit concerning hillary clinton's use of private email while she was secretary of state. bill: and an entire town stretching 500-acres is now, it is for sale and could be yours for the right price. we'll tell you where. come on down. ♪ we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state, the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and new infrastructure for a new generation attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in rochester, with world-class botox.
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bill: a few tense moments as first-responders struggling to get to the a rescue worker after trench collapsed. you see them pulling him out. the contractor was inspecting a septic bank in massachusetts south of boston, with the trench
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partially buried him. it can crush and and at that point you have little chance. rescuers dug by hand for two hours. they stay it was too dangerous for big equipment. he was flown to the hospital in good condition and that is a victory. martha: here is the latest on email front. a sick federal judge has granted legal discovery into hillary clinton's use of a private server. this judge slammed obama administration constantly shifting stories about email account and finding evidence of wrongdoing and bad faith according to this judge. the head of judicial watch who is seeking information about clinton's email setup said quote, this benghazi investigation first uncovered clinton email scandal. it is good to have discovery in the lawsuit which may help american people to find out why our efforts to get benghazi answers thwarted by clinton's email gains.
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judge andrew napolitano, fox senior judicial analyst. >> good to be here. martha: that is a little complicate what we're talking about here, what happened is, judicial watch wanted access to clinton emails. they want copies of them. >> they have a right to under federal statutes. martha: when comes to benghazi and huma abedin. they couldn't get them from the state department because they didn't have them but now you find out there is another server. >> correct. the manner in which the state department has been producing them and inconsistent stories the state department given to federal judges, one in the judicial watch lawsuit seeking records of about huma abedin two jobs, one for hillary clinton, one for the clinton foundation and judicial watch's efforts to seek documents about benghazi and who knew what and when they knew it, the state department has given inconsistent answers. that caused these two judges to conclude it is more likely than not when hillary clinton was the secretary of state of the united states there was a conspiracy in
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the state department to avoid and evade federal transparency statutes. therefore these judges concluded independently of each other, i'm going to let the lawyers for judicial watch question mrs. clinton's closest aides in both of these cases. it is same people. it is the same five people. as these questions will be going on in these two freedom of information act cases, before these two judges, up the block the justice department is inviting in the same five people to see if they want to talk to the fbi before it make as presentation to a grand jury. they have the right not to talk to the fbi. after they asked these five folks to come in, they will ask mrs. clinton herself to come in. this is all happening at worst possible time for her. martha: right. so these individuals thought they were going to be questioned by the fbi, as you point out they can say no to that. >> correct. they can not say no to the judicial watch lawyers. martha: right.
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>> the judicial watch lawyers i will say will ask more pointed questions than congressman gowdy's committee did when they interviewed these people. martha: for people that watch, people are sort of in two camps, i really want to know what was in the emails. others say enough already they attorneyed over thousands of documents. but the problem is, doesn't matter how many thousands documents you turn over if you don't turn over every document. what tray -- trey gowdy was saying forever, we want specific emails that have to do with discussion and security in benghazi and we have never gotten them. >> precisely. so if they are holding things back, or if worse yet, if those e-mails were among ones mrs. clinton's people thought they erased and fbi was able to retrieve them, then we have a crime of obstruction of justice. so what may appear to be, oh, just a case about emails, in reality goes to integrity, and to the rule of law.
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and whether mrs. clinton is above the laws that govern all of us or whether she is subject to them like the rest of us are. martha: the fbi is in such a tough position here because they want to be seen completely straight shooting here and completely unpolitical and there is no reason to think james comey is not a straight-shooter on this issue. >> agreed. martha: then you have got the two judges who are independently asking for the ability to question hillary clinton and her inner circle with regard to this. is there any reason to think these judges are political. oh, no, one was appointed by ronald reagan 30 years ago. one was appointed by bill clinton 25 years ago. they are opposite ends of political spectrum and they both come to the same conclusion. one even said to mrs. clinton, you know what, when you submit it to me i want you to submit it under penalty of perjury. when a judge says that to a person in the case, that is a signal. i don't believe you. you have to swear to the accuracy of everything you tell me.
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this is the judge that her husband put on the bench. martha: you say we're going to get something by may? in terms of decisions? >> i don't think the justice department can wait any longer. the fact that the justice department has begun to invite in her inner circle, means they are completed with their investigation. this is the second to last phase. the final phase will be invitation to hillary clinton herself. and then she has to make an awful choice. martha: they know what they know because they have done their investigation. now they will try to cross reference what they know with what these people admit or don't admit? >> precisely. martha: judge, excellent. thank you very much. bill, back to you. bill: jon scott coming up next on "happening now." jon, what are you cooking up this morning? >> we're 12 minutes away. donald trump is fighting establishment republicans in badger state with less than a week to go before wisconsin's primary. he talks about the allegations against his campaign manager. first on "happening now," farmers in california and southwest suddenly confronting a new trend. foreign buyers of farmland in
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the is and newly-dry wells. we'll explain what is happening to the water around why is has some so worried. that is ahead, "happening now." bill: good deal, jon. top of the hour. solar system mystery. an object appears to crash into jupiter with enough force to be seen from here on earth. so, what was it? you do all this research on a perfect car then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates. maybe you should have done more research on them.
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martha: small nevada found south of las vegas is up for sale. it is on the market for $8 million. it has a population of 350. it is home to casino, rv park and small airstrip. nancy kidwell and her husband founded it 51 years ago. now they're looking for the best offer. >> i don't intend to leave here
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but it is difficult for me thinking of someone else coming in, you know, developing what they want it to be but then again that is part of the sale. you have to expect that. martha: how about this? the airstrip was once a staging ground for general george patton as he trained troops for combat in world war ii. bill: get your bids n. two amateur astronomers have the internet buzzing because of this video. this is planet jupiter. on screen right you see what appears to be object making explosive contact with that giant gaseous planet. tariq malik, editor welcome back to "america's newsroom." is this asteroid or comet? >> scientists point to asteroid, because there are more of them. this was exciting night for amateur astronomers who caught
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this thing on camera. bill: here is what i'm reading. one guy in austria filming this. one guy in ireland filming this. they both posted online and they have a match. >> exactly. you know, when one of these things happens, it is interesting but you know, there could always be the chance that it was something with their observation equipment. if you get a follow-up, something to confirm it, that really solidifies it. here we have two new independent sky watchers looking at jupiter at the exact same time, pretty rare but they did in fact get to see this flash, which is pretty exciting. bill: what did they learn or what did you learn, tariq? >> i mean i think all signs do point to like asteroid strike. we talked to nasa's paul chotis at their near-earth object office. he says because there is so many more asteroids out there, this march 17th event could really point to some sort of an event. we've seen this happen in the
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past, most spectacularly with a comet though in '94. just the last few years we've seen just several strikes by these amateurs, networks of folks always looking at jupiter. bill: jupiter has a lot of gravitational pull, right? it sucks a lot of things in. if that is true is that that significant? >> jupiter is like the vacuum cleaner of our solar sim. it is largest planet. it kind of sweeps up all the objections out there. we should be grateful. if there is a particularly rogue asteroid out there, chances are jupiter's gravity might pull it in and keep the earth safe too. now there is, because we've got better detection, better equipment for these amateurs they have been the vanguard of finding these things. bill: better jupiter than us, right? >> that's right. bill: thank you, tariq. tariq malik by way of skype from thank you, sir, very much. >> my pleasure. bill: good to have you back. martha: the three gop candidates tackle issues at a town hall. once again conversation gets
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personal as candidates explain why they no longer will support each other if one of them becomes the republican nominee.
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martha: another day back on the campaign trail. donald trump is about to speak at a rally in wisconsin which is looking like an increasingly tight race. it will be a fun one to watch come tuesday night. right, bill? bill: tight race. important race when you consider, looking at calendar, how many delegates are out there and how many you can win. and, package bigger bag for cleveland. martha: exactly, right? bill: likely, does it not? martha: appears very likely. as we've seen things can change on a dime. looks like it will be drawn out as they go through all the rules. all right. bill: see you on the radio. martha: tune in for that everybody. let you go over to the folks on "happening now."
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put you in their capable hands. tune in on the radio coming up. ♪ jon: at least hemmer has relatives in ohio. he can bunk with friends and family. heather: he can do laundry. jon, republican presidential race is getting more and more complicated as the three candidates all book away from a pledge to support their party's eventual nominee. getting interesting. welcome to "happening now." i'm jon scott. heather: i'm heather childers in for jenna lee. if it is possible to get even more interesting. jon: crazy might be the word for it. heather: gop candidates making comments at town hall in milwaukee. one week before the wisconsin primary raising new concerns about what could happen what in the world is going to happen in the convention in july. >> do you continue to pledge whoever the republican nominee is? >> no, i don't anymore. >> i'm not in the habit of


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