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thanks for watching this special. i'm eric boling in for bill o'reilly. and please remember, the spin stops here because we're looking out for you. breaking tonight. two big stories in the 2016 gop race, as donald trump takes fire from virtually all sides for controversial remarks on abortion, while a new poll delivers a dramatic shakeup to the coming political primary site in wisconsin. i'm megyn kelly. for hours, the top political story has involved donald trump and what may have been a bad misstep on the issue of abortion. earlier when mr. trump was pressed on abortion, he said he would support some sort of "punishment for women who have the procedure if it is made illegal." after virtually everyone on earth reacted to that, he put out a statement doing a 180. that came just hours after we
got a dramatic new poll on the coming wisconsin primary that shows senator ted cruz taking a double digit lead over donald trump in a state where cruz had been trailing until now. here tonight on all of that, the pollster who just released a stunning new survey. we begin tonight with our chief political correspondent carl cameron, who just filed this report from appleton, wisconsin. >> reporter: thanks, megyn. new polls out in wisconsin and it shows that ted cruz is the front-runner in the badger state with a significant lead, 40% to donald trump's 30%, with john kasich in third at 21%. this could be a moment six days before the primary and with cruz in the lead, an opportunity to win here. it could be a real opportunity for the stop trump movement to put some of the skids on, his attempt to get to 1237 delegates before the convention. with that said, on a day when donald trump got tripped up on
abortion, ted cruz held a celebration of women, and with his wife and mother and carly fiorina unveiled his women for cruz initiative, saying that every issue should be a woman's issue. national polls suggest trump has a problem with women, so this was, for all intents and purposes, a direct shot as what cruz sees as a trump vulnerability. and then corey lewandowski has had misdemeanor charges pressed him. and john kasich was in new york today, which votes next after wisconsin. kasich knows he's ut of contention in wisconsin and is positioning for a bunch of the eastern states at the end of the month. there was one piece of video that will probably cause him some headaches in new york, however. he was at houfd beach, and there's tape of this, eating pizza with a fork. megyn? >> oh, man. that's not allowed.
what's up with that? carl, thank you. joining us now, charles franklin, director of the marquette university's polling team. thank you very much for being here with us. so obviously ted cruz has shot way up in just a couple of weeks. >> cruz goes from 19% to 40% in about a month in our polling. but i think the other part is, donald trump stalled in the water. he was at 30% in february. he's at 30% now. not much movement there. a lot of movement for cruz. what is does that tell you? >> it says that trump, who has polled behind his national average here in wisconsin, may have found a state where he does have a ceiling. it also shows that political leaders in the state have come to coalesce behind cruz after taking a while to do it. but in the last ten days they've overwhelmingly embraced cruz as the choice in opposition to
trump. most of that happened after our poll or as the poll was going on. but i think it's clearly helping cruz. >> governor walker's endorsement came after your poll. but talkradio has been coalescing behind ted cruz. question for you on the gender gap, cruz has almost equal support between men and women. trump has an 11-point gender gap. your thoughts on it? >> that's the kind of gender gap that is not as large as some people might expect it to be. but the good news for ted cruz is he's performing equally well across genders, picking up solid support with men and women. >> trump has said look, i'm going -- these polls you can't rely on them, because i'm going to get crossover voters, democrats and other bhs who wil vote for me, so don't believe the hype that ted cruz is ahead of me. >> we do have an open primary. but in our data, no more than
10% of the republican voters are going to be democrats or people who are independents that lean democratic. independents will come to the republican party for 60%. >> did you account for that in your polling? >> oh, yeah. it's absolutely included in it. it's part of the data. there's no mystery. that's the point of the poll. it reveals how much crossover there is rather than just guessing. >> mr. franklin, thank you for being here. as carl cameron mentioned, one of his key challenges has been approval rating with women. today, he was being interviewed by chris matthews of msnbc when he was pressed on abortion and this happened. watch. >> how do you ban abortion? >> you go back to a position like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places. but you have to ban it. >> do you believe in punishment for abortion yes or no, as a
principle? >> the answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yeah. >> that woman quickly became a huge headline. and within a couple of hours the campaign was clarifying with a statement that read in part, if congress passed legislation making abortion illegal and the courts upheld this legislation or any state were permitted to ban abortion, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. stewart stevens is a former mitt romney campaign strategist, and author of "the innocent have nothing to fear." and in a moment we'll be joined by herman cain. the reversal on this abortion position was swift, it was a complete 180. this is the reaction that we've seen in some conservative corners tonight, including on national review suggesting that donald trump just hasn't
seriously thought these issues through. your thoughts? >> what i thought was most interesting is the part that hasn't gotten much attention, when he was saying he wanted to go back to where there were illegal abortion clinics. nobody wants that. the pro-life factions of america don't want to go back to that, nor do the pro-choice factions of america. the pro-life will go back to a culture that supports adoption where people are encouraged to have children and welcome them into families. that is just a really disturbing part of that, that he felt that sort of culture was something you would want to go back to. >> what we've seen is a fee reversals by donald trump. he did a 180 on this abortion, women need to be punished if they have an abortion, which is not the pro-life position. some of the people in line were
saying only somebody who is trying to sound like they're pro-life would say that, because the pro-lifers don't believe that. but he also reversed himself within moments on a cnn town hall when asked about the top three functions of government and he included education and health care. and anderson cooper said, aren't you against federal government for being involved in education? he said oh, yeah, i'm for the states doing that. he told scott pelley on cbs news that the federal government was going to pay for health care for those that didn't have it. the question is whether donald trump has a set of principles that he would bring with him to the presidency. >> i think there was also a terrible answer about nuclear proliferation where he said he was against it but he wanted japan and south korea to have nuclear weapons which is something the united states government has been opposed to. it was a really bad interview.
it sounded like a guy coming out on anaesthesia. i just don't think he's taking running for president with the seriousness it depends. there is a difference between this and calling up imus and spouting off what you think. people actually listen and pay attention and care what you think when you run for president. you know, there has been a tendency among some that are critics of donald trump, but i just don't think he really has an organized political mindset. when i think of donald trump's political mind, i think of sort of like a dresser in a college dorm where you sort of open up one drawer and you have a jumble of this and another drawer with a jumble of that. he hasn't spent a lot of time trying to organize this into a coherent political philosophy. >> and people just say he's a populist.
today he said what kind of supreme court justice would you appoint? he said i would look people that would look very seriously at hillary clinton's e-mail disaster. the supreme court don't get to do that kind of investigation. but the question is, stu, whether any of this will hurt him, because we are seeing now some erosion in wisconsin, that's one state. >> it's a very good question. i think that the fact that he was at 30% and is still at 30% and there's a coalescing of support behind senator cruz means something. i think to people in past races have stopped at a point and looked at a candidate and you see this a lot in runoffs that you have. where a candidate doesn't get to 50% and you have a runoff between two candidates. usually it's the candidate in second place going into the runoff who ends up winning the runoff. that could be happening here.
you also have the fact that if you look apartment these polls, donald trump is losing to bernie sanders in a real clear politics average by 17.5%. >> obviously, bernie sanders is losing to hillary clinton in most of the polls yet. i have to go. great to see you. our next guest knows how quick a candidate can get hit on this. herman cain joins me now. great to see you again, sir. so we just sort of ticked through the positions, the reversals on the positions we've seen from donald trump in the past 24 hours. what do you make of it? >> well, first of all, we know that donald trump is not a polished political politician. he's not. yes, did he make some statements that would be considered missteps or misstatements? absolutely, yes.
here's what stewart and many of the establishment people don't understand about donald trump. they don't understand the difference between a strategic statement and a tactical statement. you are very easily going to get tripped up overcal statements. it happened to me. but what people are attracted to donald trump about is the strategic implications that he makes with some of the things he says. yes, he has made some missteps. yes, he's turned off certain groups. but if you look at the enthusiasm polls that just came out, his supporters are more enthusiastic than some of the supporters of the other candidates. i'm not going to defend he may have made a misstatement. but what i am going to support is the fact that many of the things that he talks about are strategic and not down in the weeds with some of these tactical statements that people take and run with it in order to attack him. >> when you refer to, yes, he may be alienating some groups, his numbers with women in
particular have been very concerning to a lot of republicans. whoever they choose they want them to beat hillary clinton. right now he has 73% of all american women that have an unfavorable women of him. how will he turn that around? >> the same way he's going to turn around the perception of black people and other minorities, because keep in mind, many people in the media have spoon fed the perception of donald trump relative to women, relative to blacks, relative to minorities that some people in the media want them to have of donald trump. >> you think the media has been against donald trump on all those issues or has it been donald trump himself? what favors did he do himself by tweeting out something suggesting heidi cruz is unattractive? >> no, no, megyn, many of the people supporting donald trump, they don't go to social media and worry about that. >> but the media has an
obligation to report things like that when it comes from a presidential candidate. >> megyn, yes, theydo. i have watched this as closely as you have watched it. what i'm saying is many of the sound bites put out have been anti-women messages and anti-minority messages. when donald trump can direct his messages at those groups, i think he'll be able to turn that around. remember, polls represent trends. i don't discount the fact that maybe in the poll that was reported earlier that trump has basically held steady. that means his supporters did not lose enthusiasm. but for the fact that cruz has gone from 19% to 40%, that's suspect. my position is this on the polls, whether you talk about wisconsin or anybody else, let the voters do the talking. they're going to do the talking
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all that michelle fields asked for was an apology. and instead they start trashing her. and their mouthpieces on radio and tv. they start trashing her. oh, look at her background. smear her. is this what the hell you want in the white house? >> that was conservative radio host mark levin sounding off about the unfolding case surrounding trump campaign manager corey lewandowski, who is charged with simple battery
after he grabbed breitbart reporter michelle fields. today, a group of female journalists put out a letter demanding that trump remove lewandowski from the campaigning saying his emphasize what mark levin just said, that this is about how the trump campaign responded to a reporter after the >> we saw slander, smearing of her reputation simply for trying
to do her jb ondent's association released a statement after this incident occurred saying there should be no violence or intimidation of any reporter covering a 2016 campaign. the national press club president said the same thing. and yet here we are today with corey lewandowski and donald trump himself continuing to smear the character of a job in including michelle fields. >> and i don't think anybody on the trump campaign disagrees with that statement.
. saying they tried to pull her down. she stated she remained balanced and did not fall down, they're suggesting she overstated what happened. >> yes. >> i mean, that is for dana. >> sorry. >> i think the only people who said she was attacked in any sort of way are using that phrase have been people trying to excuse the actions. she did say her arm was yanked to the ground but she can regain her balance. first off, as reported earlier, he admitted this, first, it was, i never saw her. >> you shouldn't hang your hat on that. there is a question on whether he admitted it or not. >> even then, the police found probable cause to arrest him. i trust the police and not just on matters when it is
convenience. >> what about the fact he hasn't been tried? he has presumption of innocence. >> i don't need a judge to tell me what i saw in the video was a load of bs. if someone would have put their hands on me that way it would have been a different outcome. secret service is there to protect a candidate. you can't tell me they did not assess the people in the room and assess her as not being a threat. >> well, lewendowski said it never happened. the campaign said it never happened. donald trump said she made it up. what we see the tape. and no one says do you know what? this is a misunderstanding. he didn't realize this is a reporter, he saw somebody reaching for the candidate and tried to stop it. he is sorry she got hurt.
why did it have to get to this point? >> i've been involved in this for a long time, and this is actually fairly common. unfortunately, now, it's been dumped into a court of law. we have to let that process the process that is the envy of the world work and see where we get. >> what about the -- >> go ahead. >> what, yes. i've been in a press run, too and elbowed and i have told reporters watch your elbow or you're going to get one back. this is what is different. i have never seen a campaign manager goes on a two-day rant. >> that is meant to send a
message to her that they're going to come after her and let it be stated for the record this man is the same man who called up the fox news bureau chief and threatened yours truly. and said what would happen if yours truly happened and so i asked you, whether it's time for mr. trump to do something about mr. lewandowski. >> i go back to this situation. the point they've been in this situation many times. and i said we're going down a bad road here that moving forward, anybody that gets elbowed in the midst of a press room can find a bad precedent.
>> the bad precedent is the person is gas lighting and smearing and because they were caught on video doing something they never said they did. >> this is for you. >> you're all going to have a tough time. you've shot yourself in the foot. how can you continue to cover the presidential race now? >> with due respect this is about journalism and making sure reporters can do their job
without fear and being called delusional and a liar as a result of reporting something they felt was a violation of their space and privacy. >> ladies, thank you. >> thank you. >> also tonight, the woman at the heart of the sex scandal involving general david petraeus will join us, live, plus, as hillary clinton turns her sights on donald trump with a new ad, next. ♪ in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state, the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and new infrastructure for a new generation attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in rochester, with world-class botox. and in buffalo, where medicine meets the future. let us help grow your company's tomorrow - today - at business.ny.gov
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breaking tonight, the clinton campaign is now turning its sights on donald trump, with a new ad that targets the republican front-runner directly for the first time. watch. >> new york. 20 million people strong. no, we don't all look the same. we don't all sound
the same either. but when we pull together, we do the biggest things in the world. but when some say we can solve america's problems by building walls, banning people based on their religion, and turning against each other, well, this is new york. and we know better. >> joining me now, kevin jackson, fox news contributor,
and lisa durnan, a political commentator. lisa, let me start with you. why do you think hillary clinton is going after trump now in new york state? >> well, megyn, i'm glad we're talking about your favorite person, donald trump. >> i thought you meant you. >> it's about time that hillary clinton came out swinging, to expose donald trump for the violent, sexist, racist that this man is. he's very angry, very hateful, he's very resentful, and i'm going to be honest with you, trigger happy candidates like donald trump don't belong anywhere near the white house. >> i don't know trigger happy, donald trump says i want to get us out of these wars. >> when did trump become a racist? because when he was on your celebrity apprentice, i wasn't
hearing anybody else talk about racism. but the irony is simple, hillary clinton has actually said of robert byrd, a member of the klu klux klan, that he was her friend and mentor. hillary clinton -- >> wait, let's just clear up the record on robert byrd. he was like a child and he renounced his time in the kkk, which was about 18 months long. [ overlapping speakers ] >> i'm not going to shout over you. here's what i want to tell you. robert byrd was in the klan in the mid 40s and renounced the klan in the 1908s. if you think that's anecdotal, i disagree. the black folks that he hurt in his career, the democrat -- it's funny to me the democrats are so quick to just pass over the past of a guy like robert byrd. my second point is, hillary
clinton received the margaret sanger award, a woman who started planned parenthood and she called black people human weeds. and hillary clinton said she was her idol. now, look, if donald trump had openly endorsed a member of the klan and was part of an organization he accepted an award from, what would we be talking about now? >> it's interesting when you said the klu klux klan denouncement, when you say a person has been arrested -- >> 40 years in the klan, lisa. >> should you say they were -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> that's the same difference. you cannot hold -- >> now we have migrated from racism to child predator. [ overlapping speakers ] >> let megyn kelly ask me the questions, she's the host, not
you. >> trump started taking a lot of incoming on his treatment about women and minorities. he had a lovely moment on the campaign trail, i think it was yesterday, and it showed a softer side of donald trump and we don't often get to see that. he's always the tough, brash guy. i want to show it to you and ask whether you think this changes the dynamic in this race at all. watch. >> i just want to say thank you. you saved me in so many ways. in recent years, i've been struggling with an incurable illness. i am on home care now. in those days in the hospital, i received from you a hand written letter that said to the bravest woman i know. i'm here right now to thank you in person and that was my biggest dream. [ applause ] >> ahhh.
>> kevin, it was a lovely moment with the woman who was ms. wisconsin. and you could hear her choked up about how trump had helped her in her life. >> look, at the end of the day, megyn, the only thing trump did to become a racist for democrats was to strap an "r" behind his name. >> this isn't about racism. it's about his humanity which gets called into question. >> tell me about donald trump's bully. donald trump is bully -- >> lisa, i'll give you the floor but first kevin. >> i've also heard trump was the guy that sent tahmooressi money when he got out of jail from the mexican prison. we can talk about this and debate it. trump did not become a racist until he became a republican. but hillary clinton could be in a confederate flag suit with a
nazi button and lisa would still support him. >> that's not true. you got some real gold nuggets every time we meet each other. donald trump, you want to know when he became racist? when he was born. donald trump is running for the oval office. now we're seeing what has always been there. he wants to put walls up and keep mexicans out and racially profile muslims. why don't you profile catholic priests -- >> i'm going to leave it at that. ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much. kevin, lisa, to be continued. well, to her he was james bond. to him, she was sapphira. that is until e-mails led to
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command ultimately led to the ruin of two of america's top military officers. it was kelly who, in 2012, started receiving menacing e-mails from an anonymous woman whom authorities identified as paula broadwell, the authorized biographer and secret mistress of david petraeus, the director of cia. her threats later to be ruled emotional outbursts and not crimes, triggered a long line of flirty e-mails that kelly exchanged with general john allen, commander of forces in afghanistan. allen was later cleared of wrongdoing, but he retired in 2013 after leon panetta suspended his nomination to lead the european command. petraeus resigned from the cia and pleaded guilty last april to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified information he made available to broadwell, a crime for him he received two years probation and
$100,000 fine. with her lawsuits against the fbi and the defense department exhausted, kelly has told her side of the story in a new book which she reprints some of the e-mails. her husband, an accomplished surgeon, has stood by her throughout. megyn? >> james, thank you. joining me now, jill kelly, author of "collateral damage," thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> you say you did not have an affair with neither of these generals? >> i've never had an affair in my life. >> you're friends with these guys. you know petraeus, you know general allen. then you start getting these weird e-mails. this is how the trouble started. >> it began with general allen and other top officials were getting the e-mails a month before hand. they finally arrived in my
husband's in box a month later. they said, we will shame -- it said we, so we thought it was organized crime or terrorist group. we will shame u.s. generals, top ambassadors, including their spouses. they were alluding that i was being followed and photographed. and my comings and goings were very discrete and it was very important to me to be discrete because of the people i was meeting with. when my husband received that e-mail, he was very frightened. we had three kids, a 6, 7, and 9-year-old, three little girls. general allen said you must go to the fbi. you have three little kids. and we did. he said we could trust the fbi, which is something i regret. >> why? >> because the fbi promised me -- here i am as a mother,
three kids, not behind guarded gates, no bodyguards, nothing. they said we're going to protect you, we will not allow this to happen. and everything that was said happened. but then after that, instead of telling me who my stalker was, instead of telling the general, general petraeus who his stalker was, they allowed us to stay harassed, stalked, intimidated, until after the elections. >> and you allege that's because they didn't want the whole general petraeus affair with this woman to come out until after the elections? come a tim found out who this person was whi behind the e-mails and general petraeus told you. >> that's right. the fbi never told me they found out who the person was within two weeks of reporting it. instead, they kept saying we don't know who it is. then they decided after knowing
who the person was, went and searched my personal e-mails to dig up dirt on my friends. going into my e mails just to believe that i was having an affair. >> but it was general david petraeus who told you it was paula broadwell, his former lover. >> right. he said jill, it's paula broadwell. of course, i never met her in my life. >> she thought you were fooling around with general petraeus? >> i don't know what she thought, but obviously she was wrong. and what bothered me most is these government officials that we trust went after the same sexist speculation just to dig up the fact that i could be having an affair. instead of protecting me and my family. and they still leaked it to the american public. >> you believe they wanted to get rid of petraeus but wanted to wait until barack obama was re-elected? >> right. one fbi agent, who was also smeared, he tells me -- calls me up and tells me, jill, petraeus
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