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asier. (announcer) over 400,000 businesses have already used ziprecruiter. and now you can use ziprecruiter for free. go to ziprecruiter.com/offer800 is the pressure getting to the so-called democratic front-runner? >> the sanders campaign is lying about this. >> a primary losing streak, poised to lose in wisconsin, and now the specter of fbi director jim comey and that pesky e-mail investigation. is hillary clinton in meltdown? plus, can the donald turn around this past week of negative press and win wisconsin? or has the trump train been slowed? "justice" starts now. hello. i'm judge jeanine pirro.
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thanks for being with us tonight. as the world comes crashing down around her, hillary clinton in panic mode. displays what kind of president she would be. one who simply can't cope, can't take the pressure, and would be a danger to this country. now, bernie sanders has won six of the last seven contests in a primary that was supposed to be sewn up by her in february. clearly a deja vu for her, like eight years ago when another little-known senator named barack obama was beating her for the nomination that was supposed to be hers. her teary meltdown on full display. fast forward, the energy, the momentum and the passion now with bernie sanders. another little-known senator predicted to win yet another primary this tuesday in wisconsin. in spite of the democratic primary race being rigged in her favor, her frustration is
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excruciatingly obvious. super delegates are already committed to her in states where the primary hasn't even been held. like a parent scolding a 5-year-old at the beginning of the week, her campaign warning bernie sanders to watch your tone. this after bernie outed her on a $4.5 million contribution from the fossil fuel lobby which she said was not the fossil fuel industry. as this, these lobbyists are there to convince her to support the girl scouts. by the end of the week, she segued to full hysteria. >> i do not take money from people who work for fossil fuel companies. i am so sick of the sanders campaign lying about this. sick of it. >> when the stakes couldn't be higher, a federal investigation one by possibly the most honest,
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clear-headed, brilliant, experienc experienced prosecutor in the nation along with 147 fbi agents on her case didn't appreciate her poo-poohing their investigation. >> are you 100% confident nothing is going to come of this fbi investigation? >> i'm 100% confident. this is a security review that was examined. it is being carried out. it will be resolved. i think the american people will know it's an absurdity. i have absolutely no concerns about it whatsoever. >> and just like i never sent or received classified e-mails, thereafter amended to e-mails marked classified, we all stood witness to the unraveling, the almost embarrassing truth play out. and when the fbi directs the department of state to halt its internal investigation, it does so because it's close to ended.
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at the center of this investigation is an informant. that person brian pagliano who set up her home server given immunity. now i ask you, why would pagliano negotiate for immunity and take the fifth if there was nothing he could be prosecuted for? i predicted months ago when he pled the fifth that justice department had him by the short hairs and he would soon spill the beans. sheryl mills, her long time legal and political strategist, jake sullivan, her deputy chief of staff who she told to remove the markings and send an e-mail classified on a nonsecured server, have retained the same attorney in this investigation. the same attorney. what does that tell you? it tells you that they are rehearsing their story and sharing information through their attorney. the rats are holding hands, folks. unless you think this is about
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some private e-mails about yoga or getting your hair done, let's put that one to rest. hillary violated the law after she signed a nondisclosure in 2009 that she would handle top secret information as directed after a lengthy national security briefing. more serious issue, of course, is the clinton foundation. a 501c-3 set up when the clintons were leaving the white house in debt from legal fees has since blossomed into a $2 billion organized criminal enterprise parading as a charitable foundation with hubby bill as the middleman. once she became secretary of state, hillary violated her memo of understanding with the president that she wouldn't take money from certain countries or at the very least would tell them. which she didn't, then conveniently such was not disclosed by the foundation. what other contributions did you fail to disclose? might the e-mails that you destroyed reveal that? now hillary, fbi director james
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comey meeting regularly with attorney general loretta lynch in person. you're a smart woman. you know what that means. comey and lynch each know each other well. they worked together, they are both respected former united states attorneys. she's from the eastern district and he from the southern district of new york. these two don't have time to waste. they've got you in their sights and hillary, you danced with enough federal prosecutors to know that this time, the jig may be up. so what to do? you meet with comey and risk a perjury charge like martha stewart? if you lie to him? hillary, just me and you talking here. my fear for you is that you have lied so much that you can't tell the difference between the truth and a lie. like that time, remember, when you dodged those bullets on the tarmac in bosnia, when in truth the only thing charging were little girls rushing to give you tulips? like benghazi, that was due to a
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video when you e-mailed your daughter the same night that it was an al qaeda like attack? when you said you never told the families it was a video when their children's bodies were brought in, that they are the ones who are not telling the truth? and that bill never dallianced with other women, it was all a lie from the right wing conspiracy. but then again, hillary, how are you going to decide to not speak when you repeatedly said you can't wait to explain this? but to not talk would be politically lethal for you now, wouldn't it? and to add to your burden a romainian hacker just extradited by the united states from romania who will appear in federal court this tuesday to be prosecuted. now, this gentleman is the one who hacked sidney blumenthal's e-mails that put truth to your lie that you hadghazi e-mails. this is serious stuff, hillary. one witness with immunity, another to prove that you lied. now hillary, you are a smart
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woman, well educated, one who has held positions of power. you fully comprehend the treacherous waters that you are trying to negotiate. a bit of advice from a former prosecutor. if you decide to meet with comey, not only are you going to need to watch your tone, but you might want to read up on that famous supreme court case, you remember it, miranda versus arizona. you have the right to remain silent. you have the right to an attorney. anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. you remember all that, hillary, don't you? and that's my open. tell me what you think on my facebook page or twitter, and with me now is conservative radio talk show host and fox news contributor, david webb along with hillary clinton supporter and political commentator with us for the first time, danielle mcloughlin. all right, guys. you know what? i'm going to start with you,
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danielle. hillary did not have a good week. >> she didn't have the best week but she didn't have the worst. i could probably argue that donald trump had a worse one. i think we need to think about the hillary clinton e-mail situation in a broader context. i really do think that hillary clinton is in the eye of the beholder. she is not the target of the investigation as you know. there are no criminal charges against her. >> no, i don't know that. whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. what do you mean, i know? who are they investigating? who are they investigating? >> you know a target means something in criminal prosecution. >> hang on a second. the fbi doesn't tell you who's the target of an investigation. that's not how they work. so neither the clinton campaign or the white house or anyone, even republicans, can say she is or is not a target. that has to be wiped out. >> all right. danielle, i want to go back to you. you don't believe that she is in any legal jeopardy here? >> i don't not think that she's in legal jeopardy. i think we have to think about
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this in the broader context of what she's argued to have done. she has been argued to have mishandled classified information. that requires intent and willfulness. as you know, that's a very difficult thing to prove. i think we see this in the eye of the beholder. the reason i say this, it is so clearly politicized, as it should be in some respects because she's -- >> here's the thing. when you talk about intent, she, there's another standard. it's called recklessly or negligently possessing classified information. if you put a server in your house and chat in the basement with some backup in arizona, wherever it was, that's a bit reckless. especially since as secretary of state, she only had classified information. >> can i jump in here? we talked about intent. she has an e-mail we now have from the request that she requested that they remove, strip away, the classified designation. that by the way wipes away intent. so when you talk about the
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clinton, the clinton foundation is one of the bigger scandals in this. you are talking about a $25 billion donation against how it was supposed to be done legally, usually about $10 million a year, through u.s. aid which they managed. you talked about what the clintons have done with this criminal enterprise which is a good way to put it together, and when it comes out the violation of code, the code's been established. it's not that you have the inform -- >> hold on. i went through all that. i went through all that in my open. let me ask you this. did donald have a bad week, too? >> he had a bad week. he did have a bad week with his words, his missteps, if you want to call them that, but this is the thing about donald trump that defies all of us and all pundits. he defies political gravity. he changes the conversation. i was in wisconsin, i interviewed trump protesters. i walked along the blocks of people lined up to see him in the rain. i mean, rain and cold, and they were there. he's got a dedicated support but he's really got to polish up his
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act to be fair if he's going to step out as the front-runner. >> certainly. >> danielle, let me ask you this. on both sides, you have got the outsiders who are clearly in the lead. make no mistake, donald's in the lead and bernie is the guy with all the momentum. he's the one who won the last six of seven. why isn't hillary knocking this out of the park? >> he's won the last six of seven. as we know, he does well in caucuses and the next handful going forward, pennsylvania, new york, they are primaries. it's a very different game. she is within the margin of error with him in wisconsin and so we are really not sure what's going to happen between now and tuesday. i think that bears talking about. certainly ted cruz is ahead by 10 or 12 points depending which poll you talk to. i think donald trump is in far more trouble than hillary clinton is on tuesday. >> well, but i'm asking you about clinton and sanders. here's the problem. with the damage you have super delegates who are already sworn to support hillary before they
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even have a primary. talk about a rigged nomination. >> that's the system. >> but they are all rigged for her. >> you can blame hillary clinton for a lot of things but blaming her for the way the democratic process runs the nomination is a little unfair. >> as a matter of fact -- >> but they made the rules. they made the rules to benefit the establishment. she is the establishment. let me ask you this, david. i'm going to go to you. kasich has 143 delegates and i was able to speak to ted cruz just two nights ago and i said what do you do about kasich? you want him out of the race. how do you get him out? and his response was you got to hope that or wait until he runs out of money. what do you think kasich is doing? >> clearly the governor is running as the spoiler. he doesn't meet rule 40b which means he has to have eight wins, eight pluralities to go to the convention. second round it could be a possibility. but more than likely, he's just going to be the spoiler.
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either he runs out of money, the donations dry up and he keeps going all the way to july or not. we don't control that. i would also look at marco rubio as trying to hold on to his delegates and the fact that ted cruz is playing the delegate game which means he goes to the dakotas, he talks to the convention, he tries to get the unbound delegates. it's his only counter against donald trump who's got a significant lead. >> okay. i got to go. i want to thank david webb and danielle mcloughlin. danielle, real fast, new york. it seems to be in play. >> it is. >> maybe it is, maybe it isn't. we still have a little bit of -- >> all right. >> she's going to win. >> thank you, guys. thanks for being with us. all right. we have been talking about another critical week ahead in the race for the white house. as candidates battle to win delegates in wisconsin on tuesday. with me now to break down the latest poll numbers is republican pollster and communications expert lee carter. all right, there you are, polls
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indicate that donald is ten points behind in wisconsin. now, we all know that wisconsin is -- they are all dug in there. they have got an organization because of what they have been through with unions and everything else. can donald turn it around, do you think? >> in wisconsin, i don't think so. i think that he's going to lose wisconsin. i think he's got to stick it out there. i think he's got to start trying to get his message back out there. he's had a really bad two weeks. he's been on between the heidi cruz issue, the battle of the wives, whatever you want to call it, between that, between the abortion gaffe he had this week. those two issues and the michelle fields, they just weren't good for him. now he's got to get back on message. he's now talking about unifying the party. he's going back to his message, his core message of making america great again. he's got to get out of this whole thing and go you know what, abortion, the women's issues, my core message was about bringing america back together again. the things that i have heard americans are most concerned
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about, jobs, immigration, china, these five things i have been talking about all along, he's got to get that back. energize his base and go back to what he's going to do the best. >> lee, hang on. how does he turn around the women's vote? how does he get it? >> i think that's a really really good point. i think the women's vote is one that is really really tricky. when you look at the polls, he's got a very negative view among women. so what do you do about that? i think surprisingly, he does well with some women so i think he's got to pull that along. i think one thing that we will start seeing is he's going to start pulling together not just a vp, he will start coalescing a cabinet. you will start seeing him bringing -- >> are you saying that he needs a woman vp? is that what you're saying? >> i don't think it's just a woman vp. women aren't necessarily saying i need to go along with just a woman. i think they are saying i need to go along with somebody who is going to do something great for me. women aren't just saying i need issues like i need to say equal pay or i need abortion and all
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those kind of things. women are saying i want to have an economy that flourishes. i want to have safety and security. i want to know things will be better for my children than me. so i could see somebody, women really really like kasich. women really like other candidates. >> okay. that's my next question. does he pick kasich as a vp? kasich says no, no, no, no. okay, look, you know what i think? i think these presidential elections are pretty much held in seven or ten states. the swing states. so it's almost like new york goes this way, texas goes that way, you know, florida is in flux. he and rubio are on the outs so i doubt he will pick rubio who would have been a great pick because he's hispanic and from a swing state. what does he do? is it kasich? or is it two white males? >> that could be two white males except kasich holds something donald trump doesn't. i get a lot of abuse on twitter and other things when i talk about him pulling kasich but
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people are saying he's too left, too this, he's another white man. but you need somebody that can pull a state like ohio. that can pull a state like pennsylvania. that can pull some of these swing states that trump couldn't. trump pulled florida so does he need somebody like rubio? i don't think so. but somebody like kasich could be very interesting for him. it could be somebody also that could pull hispanics, that could pull women. he's got to look for something that's a little more interesting than we might be expecting right now. >> all right. lee carter, always good to have your take. thanks so much for being with us. >> any time. donald trump finds himself in a position he is definitely not used to in wisconsin. trailing by a lot. next, i talk live with trump national campaign spokesperson, katrina pearson about the front-runner's controversial week and what he needs to do to turn things around in the badger state. plus the video that put his campaign on the offensive. i talk with a former secret
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service agent to get his take on whether trump's campaign manager was really out of line with that reporter.
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after a rough week, gop front-runner donald trump is
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focusing hard on the battle for wisconsin but new polls show that he's trailing ted cruz by as many as ten points with just a few days left. katrina pearson, national spokeswoman for the donald trump campaign, joins us now. good evening, katrina. why is he behind in wisconsin? >> i think wisconsin is a tough state simply because it is a hub for the gop that's where speaker paul ryan is, we all know scott walker was dubbed early on as the gop pick and he was the first one out. so it is going to be tough. there's organization there because of the previous recall election races but i will say there was also a poll last week with 6,000 people in wisconsin and donald trump was still ahead by a few points. i think anything could happen between now and then. the ppp poll that came out last week shows that donald trump, believe it or not, is the most favored among the gop to win the nomination by a tune of 60%, judge. >> in wisconsin? >> in general. we are talking about a week that
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all of the pundits and all of the anti-trump people have been saying it's been the worst week ever but what we have seen last week, reuters runs a daily tracking poll, i'm sure you have seen that, a week ago the numbers were donald trump at 39 and cruz at 33. then we have this deemed worst week ever and we are up 15 points as of this morning nationally. it is mr. trump -- >> hold it. let me ask you, was it the worst week of the campaign so far? >> judge, it was a tough week. we have seen the hammer of the media come down, most of this chaos was truly media-generated. we have someone being tried and convicted in the court of public opinion in mr. lewandowski, our campaign manager will be fully exonerated. but even with the abortion comments, this was a complete media push. they were editing the comments out of the msnbc interview on other networks, not this one,
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and really trying to make it an issue that it simply wasn't. that was pretty tough. >> well, you know, you could almost see donald kind of thinking when chris matthews kept pushing, pushing for him to answer the question. but you know aside from all that, there is -- donald seems to have a problem with women. how do you resolve that? >> i think mr. trump is going to just focus on the issues at hand and you know, he realizes also that a lot of these media people out there try to bait with those types of questions just to turn it around and use it against him. and the media really pushes this narrative that if you criticize a woman, that automatically means you are a sexist and that's just not the case. mr. trump praises women just like he criticizes men as well. so focusing on the issues at hand and getting back to the message of making america great again. there's plenty of time to turn those numbers around. >> okay. what about the vp?
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i know that donald, most that he's said as i recall is something like you know, he's a businessman. i don't know who would ask him that anyway, i'm the businessman. he's going to get a political type. i keep thinking that person has to be from a swing state and i wonder about two white males with kasich who is in it who knows why, to sell, i have no idea but let me keep moving. there are some women governors from swing states who, you know, one is hispanic who might be a good match for him. is he talking to people yet? >> no. right now, mr. trump is focused on winning the nomination. if he maintains his current support at a level of 80% of his supporters are committed to him, he will win the nomination before going to the convention and then he's going to think about who's going to be running with him. >> okay. so 1,237 the number he has to get. you believe new york is going to go for him.
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>> yes. there's going to be a lot of states in the east that will go for him and moving back towards indiana and nebraska. last polls had him up there. california, he will do well there. we feel pretty confident moving forward. >> okay. all right. thanks, katrina, for being with us. we will see what happens. >> good to see you. >> remember to stay with fox news in advance of tuesday's wisconsin primary. on monday night, john kasich goes on the record with greta. at 7:00, bill o'reilly. donald trump joins sean hannity at 10:00. next, a secret service agent weighs in on the video that had mr. trump defending his campaign manager. plus we are talking terror. should you be on the alert in airports during the summer travel season? should you even travel? we have new information on that isis terror threat as we keep rolling.
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i think it's really unfair. it's very unfair thing to a person. i was watching some of the television coverage and a lot of people were on television saying how could somebody be charged for that. i mean, they see it. again, i'm the one that gave the tapes. nobody else gave the tapes. the tapes were from me. they see it and they see what took place and it's so minor and if you look at her initial statements before she knew that we had tapes of her, she was talking about being pulled down or dragged down or something to that effect and all of a sudden, when she saw that there were tapes she changed her tone a little bit. i think it's a very very sad thing and i think it's very unfair to a good person. he's got a family. >> that's gop front-runner donald trump this week defending his campaign manager, cory lewandowski, after a firestorm over an incident with the press. with me now is former secret service agent who served under president clinton and george w. bush and the obama
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administrations. author of the new book "the fight, a secret service agent's inside account of security." all right, dan, i have never, ever heard of someone even being considered to be charged with something that is -- involves basically a touching. have you? >> no. i mean, i was an agent for 12 years, five years on the presidential protection division, and you know, i get it why michelle would be annoyed. i don't want to be grabbed or pulled either. but i have never seen in my 12 years a law enforcement matter result from what essentially was a press scrum. judge, these things happen all the time. you are in the media business. i was in the security side of it. i know press people who have almost been put in choke holds at times to get them away from a protectee and -- >> look, i was hit with a
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camera, okay. didn't bother me a bit. i just kept talking. >> i was almost thrown off a set of bleachers once. >> but you know what? look, i was in law enforcement as d.a., i was making decisions as to whether or not to file charges and you know, where you have an alleged or so-called victim who says you know, that she was almost pulled to the ground, that is belied by that tape right there and she's the only person in the press where it looks like the secret service is trying to rush donald trump, who is the protectee, out of the venue. >> yeah. there's a couple of things here to kind of dissect with this. number one, he's not the president so the press that's surrounding donald trump for a candidate, it's not the same as the press pool in the white house. judge, when you deal with the white house press pool, they know the rules, they know exactly what to do. you grab them on the wrist and move them, they move right away. it's a symbiotic relationship between security and them. at this event, i don't really
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know what was going on. i know the agents involved so just to be clear on this, they are skilled agents. they didn't see her as much of a threat. but i think the following him out, i don't know if cory mistook her, cory lewandowski, the campaign manager, mistook michelle for someone else and just wanted her -- it just seems to be there's hyperbole on both sides. it seems like cory could have handled it a little differently. >> but wait a minute. wait a minute. whether cory mistook her for someone else doesn't really matter. donald trump was surrounded by secret service, she's with the press interjecting herself in a scenario where this protectee is being removed from a venue. so what bothers me is look, i look in all these cases, 30 years in law enforcement, okay, i look at all these and i look at the credibility of the alleged victim. she says that this happened on march 8th. on march 11, she says this has to be aside from my father's death the worst experience i have gone through and she talks
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about e-mail messages and stuff. really? this is the worst thing since your father died? and then she says she was almost pulled on the ground. she was clearly not pulled to the ground. she apparently was pushed out of the way. but my question to you, i have been elbowed more in the supermarket than apparently what she was -- what happened to her. do you think that the state's attorney will file charges? >> i don't. i actually live in the county just north of palm beach county where this incident occurred and although he's an elected democrat, i think they are going to have a really hard time here with intent. i mean, cory at some point had to have some intent to cause harm and he's got six or seven different ways out of this. he's going to say we didn't know who she was, he could say she might have been -- had something in her hand, i might have seen something. i think they are going to have a really tough time proving any kind of intent to harm. >> well, i don't know that that is relevant to the florida
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statute. it really is the intent to touch. but the question is whether or not it was done with, you know, for anything other than his protecting donald trump. anyway, thanks so much for being with us tonight. still ahead, the national border patrol union tells me why they are backing donald trump. plus, we talk terror.
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welcome back to "justice." new fears tonight as isis calls for more belgian style attacks in high profile locations, this time in germany, including at an international airport. this as 50 plus world leaders met this week at a nuclear
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security summit hosted by president obama. joining me now is counter terrorism expert and author of "defeating jihad, the winnable war," dr. sebastian gorka. great to have you back on the show. you know, there was a call recently for 400 to 500 of the islamist terrorists to start striking in europe. what was that about and who told them to strike and where are they supposed to strike? >> right, judge. the isis media organ which includes their english language jihadi magazine dabiq has called specifically for isis jihadis to attack soft targets in europe. we know from unclassified reports that there's at least 6,000 westerners who have been recruited by isis and the estimates from european security is between 400 and 500 are actually back on the continent so this is a real threat, so the
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brussels attack is unlikely to be a stand-alone unique event, unfortunately. >> what do you mean, what do they mean by soft targets? >> so what we are looking for for over a decade, they have magazine inspire or her it's al dabiq magazine, they want a high concentration of unarmed civilians. that's a soft target. we don't want to go after the military or the police. that's difficult. we want mass transit hubs, metros, airports, bus stations, shopping malls. that gives them the most lucrative target, if you will, for a relatively small investment they can get a lot of terror out of that and they can spread fear through the population. >> all right. do you have a sense of confidence given the fact that these guys in brussels were criminals and apparently they were warned in belgium about
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them, you know, is anyplace really safe from these guys? when you think about the history and just bear with me on this one, you start with the tsarnaev brothers and russia tells the fbi and uwe tell europe about this one and everyone is telling everyone but no one is doing anything about it. my concern is these guys in belgium are criminals, are these guys being recruited in prisons coming out as terrorists? >> that's a huge issue. the recruitment of jihadis in prison isn't just an issue in europe. it's a huge issue here in america. i work with federal law enforcement, with individuals who tell me every day that is a hotbed. but to answer your question, it's not just about an intelligence failure which it really was in this case, but it's also about the political conditions created by the politicians of europe. the open borders, the completely open borders, the lack of integration of ethnic minorities, the idea that all cultures are equal and therefore
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you can have these ghettos, enclaves created in the heart of europe. think about this. this was, the man they caught just before the brussels attack was the most wanted terrorist in europe after paris. he's hiding where? he's hiding in brussels, the center of multi-culturalism and nobody finds him. it's shocking. >> when you talk about they are not assimilating, what needs to be done? and whose fault is that? >> i think this is the ultimate failure of what is called project europe. the idea that you don't have -- you take down borders and then after that, there's no need for national identity. you are not french, you are not british, you're not german. you can come there as a yemeni, a somali, you don't have to learn the language or abide by the constitutions of the nations in which you live and then you will create these islands in which you can have radicals hide
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easily and be provided that support network to do what they have been doing in paris and madrid and london and brussels. >> let me ask you this. say i want to go to europe this summer with my family. i'm not worried about even going to the airport in the united states, let alone when i land in europe. >> yeah. really, this is -- we have to understand that jihad, the war against the infidel, isn't something happening on the streets of damascus or baghdad 8,000 miles away. it is here, judge. my wife and i just published a report on the domestic threat from isis in america. we have arrested over 90 people in the united states in the last year and a half connected to isis. so whether you are going on holiday to paris or london or whether you are here at a christmas party in san bernardino, the threat is real and this administration isn't taking it seriously. look at just what happened at the nuclear summit with the
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editing of the president of france's speech. >> right. doctor, thanks so much for being with us. of course, referring to the president taking literally out of a video the french president saying islamist terrorists. all right. thank you, doctor. donald trump's big endorsement. we are talking about it next. it's about borders just like the doctor was saying.
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a historic endorsement this week. for donald trump from the u.s. border patrol council. this as security at the borders continues to be one of the major issues in the race for the white house. with me now is u.s. border patrol agent art delquado. you are not only a border patrol agent, you are the president of local 2544 which is a national border patrol council. how many agents do you represent as president? >> as president in my local we represent close to 3,000 members but i'm also national vice president which is close to 18,000 members. >> okay. good. so you guys decide that you'll endorse donald trump. now you had other conservative people in the race. i mean you had ted cruz and, you know, you had rubio -- you had 17 to begin with and, of course,
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you had the democrat, as well. what is it about donald trump that caused you guys to select him? >> he's the one candidate that actually reached out to us and that shows that he cares about security at the border. when other candidates were reaching out to the administration, they're going to get the answer that the administration has been telling everybody the whole time that the board ser secure. donald trump broke that mold and he actually came to us and he wanted to speak to the men and women of the border patrol, the true experts in border security that are putting their lives on the line every day. >> well, you know, there's nothing like getting the facts but and frightening that other people wouldn't have done that. but what is the problem, art, at the border? what is going on there? >> you know, you hear that the border is secure from a lot of people especially within the administration but it's still not secure. there are still things we need. we spoke to donald trump and he has been willing to listen to what we're seeing. he seemed extremely sincere when
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we were asking him the different issues that we need that hopefully he can bring across when he becomes president and -- >> do you think we need a wall, art? >> you know, we have different barrier, definitely we need a wall. we don't just need a wall, we need more boots on the ground and technology. it's not just about the wall. that's what people don't understand. they focus on the wall but it's more than just the wall. >> what is it? >> the wall -- excuse me, the wall is a big deterrent. >> tell me -- you hear stories that you guys, people cross and you just send them home and, you know, that they're crossing all the time and you guys -- i mean what, are the rules of engagement almost as it relates to these guys? >> judge, this is the problem. okay, we need somebody that's going to not only enforce the laws that are already on the books but there has to be true consequences and that's the problem. when we talk about a secure border, we're talking about
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security for our economy. the american economy came to a screeching halt after 9/11. millions of americans lost their jobs. so when we talked about security, it's not just physical security, it's economic security. and that's what we need to focus on and starts with securing our borders and having real consequences for the individuals that we arrest. >> are there times, art, that you and the men and women in border patrol think that what you're doing is not only not appreciated but almost redundant when you hear about, you know, sanctuary cities, people being deported coming back, committing crimes? i mean, do you even like lose morale. >> you know, it's -- the morale is having issues right now. we've had erissues with our more and i work out in the field. we have capable leaders within our organization. the problem is we have too many paper pushers in d.c. that have never worn the uniform and
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they're trying to make the rules. >> art del cueto, thanks so much for being with us tonight and we'll be right back.
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