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the results coming in from wisconsin. i pick up at 8:00 p.m. and we will go as long as it takes. we have your back. we mean it when we say it. the fastest, best reporting on the planet. if you don't get fbn, you're a loser. hello, happy election day. it is 5:00 in new york city, 4:00 p.m. in wisconsin, and this is "the five." the polls close in the badger state in four hours. 8:00 p.m. central time. soon after that we may have a clearer picture how the presidential gop race will shake out. all three candidates don't seem concerned about the outcome. >> if i lose, i lose. i would not feel good about it.
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i have won most of the states and ted says i won here and there, but i have won more than he has. i won many more states than he has. he refuses to say that. >> i can't tell you how many media analysts i heard saying donald trump will run away with wisconsin. they forgot the voters of wisconsin, i believe tomorrow night, we'll have a terrific victory here in wisconsin. >> cruz and trump are saying, cruz is saying he's taking my voters, trump says he's taking my voters. they're right, i'm taking both of their voters. >> will wisconsin be a game change sner some think so. the cruz crowd things a delegate win could be a game changer. but, ahead of the wisconsin results, some are playing the expectations game. >> if he wins wisconsin, the contest is over.
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if not the competition goes on and the math is more difficult. >> i think ted cruz will win today and it will be the turning point in this election. >> we have more on the wisconsin primary. 42 delegates, how big is it. >> first off you didn't have to get dressed up for me. >> it's a big deal. i don't think what karl rove said is completely right on. i think if cruz wins is changing the dynamic a little bit. we talked about it is all about the math and the delegates. if cruz wins by a small margin, you're talking about not a lot of difference in delegates. >> let me throw these numbers at you quickly. april 26th, connecticut, delaware, maryland,
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pennsylvania, rhode island, 172. can you say this even or eight day period is the election, or the nomination is in that period? >> that period will be huge, the other one to look at is california. june 7th, the whole basket of delegates. that could be desightive. this election will not be solve d until california. even if he hits a streak, he will not sale it. it all depends on how things come along. >> momentum. there will be game change and momentum play going forward. >> yeah, i think tonight is a big piece. there is a lot of expectations on all sides. for kasich to get out, and in
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terms of the money to come in, there a lot of pressure on trump. cruz talked a big game. they have been very aggressive going against delegates, having a smart strategy going forward. it will be very difficult going forward. >> i think it is very important. i'm thinking to your point about california, i can't remember when the republican primaries in california mattered. i don't think that has happened in my lifetime. pretty much the republicans kind of -- they would never say they were writing off california, but they never spent a lot of money there. if you're living there and
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you're a republican, this could be your year to have fun and attention. i think of wisconsin as the 20 mile mark in a marathon. the next six miles are very hard. >> wisconsin is important in that it is a very political state. not that the 42 delegates are passive, but the birth of the republican party could be traced to wisconsin. the democrats could be traced to wisconsin. if you know anything about wisconsin, if you have spent time there, which i have, they are political and they are rigid. they don't flip-flop much. >> and the question -- >> early in the polls, donald trump was leading, now they're mixed, how do you think it
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plays? >> wisconsin is the final hurdle i think. the drug nifing dog at the airport. once you get past it, everything is smooth sailing. i don't care about wisconsin. i care about the general election. i don't want to see another dick morris fiasco. what is the point of a vote that makes it feel good now if it is really awful in november. that may mess with your strategy. should i vote for this person or a spoiler. i'm just thinking about the general. >> i'll let you guys talk about the primaries, i'll worry about
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the general. >> so do you want to weigh in on the gop. >> to me that is interesting. right now i think the estimates are, trump needs about two thirds of the remaining delegates. it is still only about 43 delegates. if he loses, it bumps up to like 70%. and this is critical because at this jumpture, we're seeing the republican establishment concentrating it's resources. the message coming out of the trump campaign today that so much tysuper pac money is behin cruz. he is low on funds at the moment. he is being sustained by these super backs. he says they don't love cruz,
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they just hate me. >> let's just say that trump doesn't get to 1237. going to the convention. all of the people that loved kruse. where are they going to go. will they back ted cruise or go somewhere else. ? >> i think their ultimate hope is to get someone they like. they don't trump or cruise. just to your point on the gop side, you have the anti-trump people spending $2 million in anti-trump adds. so you have the cruise people, the campaign, the cruz super-pacs all spending money against trump in wisconsin. that goes to show -- >> can i weigh in on that? i think that ted cruz has
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surprised a lot of people. he might have grown on some people that thought they could never support him. part of that is the impressiveness of the ground operation. they spent money pretty kiezly even though i know they probably need an infusion of cash now. . i think he earned a lot of respect, and probably earned respect from people who didn't think they would ever sport him. >> will they support him on a second ballot? >> i think they will. >>. >> he has a great -- he just
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cannot stand if somebody attacks him if. somebody attacks him, he punches back ten times harder. . i think he is the man. he respected women. he hires women to the highest positions, and he trusts them. and he is the one that will take care of them. he is the only one. >> how did that go for him? >> i think any time you have your wife out there it softens you. i don't know why she has not been on the campaign trail all throughout. i think that worked out for them, but she has not appeared that much on the campaign trail. he could use a little more female support.
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>> and he may get support from ivanka as well. >> yes, she has had her hands full, congratulations on the baby. they have a very close relationship. melanie was there with him, answering questions and standing by him. you have to be out there, you have to be an effective surrogate at all times. it is two for the price of one. >> can donald trump grow on women? >> it's possible. all men marry up, okay? right? we're going to agree with that? and so i think that having her
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there. i read a feature story on her. she is very supportive. reluctant to campaign, but i don't think necessarily people make decisions to vote for a individual and check that box based on their spouse. >> i think trump had a terrible week. particularly with women's issues, the abortion issue. the reporter being grabbed, complaining about it, and a lot of people will say he is married to these gor jazz women. she is coming in like a plans. >> if donald trump is a vege tray, she is the ranch dressing.
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she reminds me of another woman married to a loud mouth, and that is my poor wife. there it is on tv, a campaign trail, maybe twitter -- or on -- women are your guard rails, when he comes home, she is probably saying why did you do that. she is the ranch that makes the horrible veges taste better. >> they tell me you have to go. >> i do. >> catch my special report at 6:00 p.m. starting at 8:50 p.m. eastern. we will announce the winner of this election were the night is over.
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welcome back to "the five." bill o' reilly spoke about the working class man who will with mad if their candidate doesn't get the nomination. >> trump will maintain a very strong level of support. if he doesn't get the nomination, the stay stay home factor will be substantial. >> and a lot of american voters are disfied today. 62% believe their believing and values are under attack.
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it sounds like at this table, right? >> does anyone care what you think. >> i don't know about that. i think you guys treat me pretty well. >> do you think people will stay at home? >> yeah, and that he was talking about it so pluntly. they say this is angry white men and they're a major stack forin the 2016 election. you also see it with the sanders supporters. you can register on the day what way you want to vote. i know if you ask people questions like is this the country you you up in, white men say no, i feel like a stranger
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in my own country. this is a major question. i was impressed by bill o'reilly because people generally don't want to auk about it. >> i think this is the party dividing among itself. you have the trump crew and the non-trump crew. if you get to the on vengs, and someone businessed trump or cruz does not get nominated, they will be angry. instead of getting behind a front runner early, they will
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let it draw out, and the losers will be so bitter, they're going to say we're done and walk away. we're handing an election to hillary clinton because people are so tired of it. people say if trump is the nominee, i will not vote this time, you have to say i want trump, i want cruz, or caseic. but i will vote if it's not my guy. you have to vote unless you want more supreme court justices being liberal, if you're not worried about senate or house seats -- >> but these people are angry. >> but are they angry enough to say we'll just hand it over to hillary clinton and forget it? forget the white house?
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>> bill o'reilly talked about the angry white men. i talked at the book "coming apart." the anger is not just at washington, but at a whole bunch of things. i think it is economic. and president obama has fuelled a lot of it he is not allowing the nation to be exceptional. i think there is a number of people that will not allow to be persuaded. o'reilly is saying they could stay home, and i think there is a number that could if it is trump versus clinton. you have a turnout problem on both sides. the other thing is, i know we spend a lot of time talking about the men that are angry. in the last two presidential
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elections, women have joet voted men by ten million or more. it's one thing to have angry white men, but we're not making any more of those. there are new voters. and it is a significant number. common on the campaign trail has to start thinking about that. >> so do you agree with o'reilly, coming down along race and gender lines? >> would we ever do a segment on angry black men? >> sure, we do it regularly. but there are two kinds of anger that i think he might be referring to. one is to revolve against liber liber liberal facism. everyone got sick and tired of having to watch their words, here is a guy that doesn't care.
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another is the is disdain for circumstance. so you can blame poll suggestions, sometimes they don't have -- it's not their fault, you can blame globalization, you can blame automation. these things you cannot change. but there is one thing you can change and that is your life. if you're going to pursue happiness, it is a real pursuit, you have to chase it. i moved five times in my career. i went from california to allentown, to dc, you don't want government to encourage you to stay put in a place that offers no opportunity. it will not get you out of where you are, it will just keep you there you have to ask yourself where is this anger coming from. is it something that you can control or change? is it something you're just going to have to adapt to.
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hillary clinton is praising for the possibility of another defeat and her campaign seems rattled by bernie sanders. she says first we're down almost every poll in wisconsin. tomorrow's primary will be a tough fight. second, the sanders campaign raised over $43 million in march making that the third month in a row they have outraised us.
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if we want to see hillary clinton in the white house we have to step up. bernie is taunting his rival. >> if there is a large turnout, we will win here. if there is a win here there is a bounce. i don't want to get hillary clinton more nervous than she already is. she is already under a lot of pressure. don't tell her this. i think we win here, we win in new york state and we're on our way to the white house. >> that is funny. >> i find him funny and charming. >> i thought the e-mail stuff was dire, but i think that will signal they're really worried about it. there could be a little of setting expectations so her people don't panic flp is so
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there is a little bit of an exercise in futility. but i think there is restlessness on the democratic side. i think the momentum that bernie is talking about is a good one. also he does not improve as candidate. i think it is a problem for her, i know they will debate next week and she needs that debate. >> they have agreed to a debate now. april 14th, so to dana's point, there is very little way in which sanders can close the gap, what is going on here? >> in the next debate that we're talking about, he should step it up. he only has to ask one question,
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would you be okay if every member of your cabinet had their own private server. that one question would trip her up unless he watches "the five" and is now formulating an answer. if he asked that question, it would screw her up. it is true, i like listening to bernie sanders. i always feel like i'm in line at the deli and waiting for him to order the potato salad. >> he will be doing that soon. >> the clinton people say in fact maybe they're just trying to raise money. as to whether or not this is really an alarm -- >> this is not a panic attack e-mail. this is just campaign 101. of course she will say we need help, support, they all say that. she should be trying to raise
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more money. it is embarassirassing that he raising so much. she says i need your support, we need momentum, and she has to underpromise and hopefully overdeliver despite the predictions in wisconsin. it's part of the game, the messaging, it's smart, it is what she has to do. >> two weeks to new york, is there any way that he can push ahead now and catch up? >> no, it is delegate wise it is over. she is ahead 270. and it is all about expectations. but also this. new york is important. she has a big league the week after new york. and i pointed out equally as big on the democratic side.
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she will lock it down there for sure, she has to keep her people focused and in the game to make sure they bring her across that finish line. but she has to keep them hungry for the win. not like hey, we got this. it will just lay back and get weird. >> it is not the 90 yard dash. >> she has it, she just need it's by a wide margin. ahead, cities are finding a new way to fight crime. they will pay criminals not to commit the crimes. will that work? gregory has a lot to say about it, next.
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i would pay someone to never hear this again -- >> 1-877-kars 4 kids. >> that is kind of cute. >> i know. >> why not pay all of us not to do stuff that bugs you, it's so much easier than policing especially when you're footing the bill. >> okay, prosecutors. >> a horrible idea. horrible horrible idea. >> you didn't even no what i was going to ask you. i was going to ask you cars for kids. >> it is crazy, it is criminal welfare. >> that's it. >> something puts them in jail, three strikes, stop and frisk, these things work.
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incarceration has an effect. >> you know, your lesson -- it is just more like protection racket, you pay criminals not to hurt you. >> all of the parents that raise children to be law abiding citizens, they don't get any money? talk about angry white people. >> it pays to be bad. >> the other thing is that the broken window theory, we'll talk about juan's book in the next block, but that works. it wasn't just about murder, that was about from the beginning to the end how to prevent crime from start to issue. they're not just starting back.
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>> i didn't mean it in a racial way. >> it was a callback to an earlier segment. >> i personally find this crazy, right? not only do i find it crazy, they're trying it where i live, in washington dc. the police chief is saying there is no evidence this works. why is that? we have seen, and i think many american cities have seen a rise in murders in the last year or so. we have seen this. so i question is why are they not putting money into schools, job training, and things we know work. i think -- i agree with you. >> we're rewarding bad behavior. >> i like this with a caveat. you want to pay them a thousand dollars a month or something. i say give it to them, but they have sign their appeals rights away. so if you get convicted of a
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homicide or a rape, that's it, you're done, whatever the conviction is, you don't have to go through the appeals process -- >> why do they get to commit crimes. why do they get to be a plague. >> you're selling your appeal right for the $1,000 a month. >> convict them, put them away, don't give them anything but a bologna sandwich. >> salt lake city pays the rent for home less people that will not go into this shelter, but when they're in a home, they can have a productive life. >> you can be on death row an average of 18 years before they administer justice. sign that away if you want this $1,000 a month, sign it away. >> up ahead, juan's new book.
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founding fathers. >>resident reagan warned about the consequences of americans straying from the vision that the founding fathers had for us. "we the people" the modern day people that's reshaped and affirm affirmed america. congratulations on the book. we all spent a some time, question got a come from from you, it is a history book, but you tell it through stories. what did you want readers to take away from it. >> we touched on it earlier in the show. people say i feel like a stranger, things are changing so quickly. even the automation you were talking about, right? so what are the roots of this
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change. you can think about other periods like industrialization, things change, but things are changing now and i think we're slow to acknowledge how much things are changing. where does all of this immigration come from? who changed the rules? >> you look at the 65 immigration act, president kennedy and ted kennedy and what they did. crime is down, but we're so much more aggressive about surveillance and all of that. you come to a guy like bill braton. when it comes to president reagan and the ideas, you look at the courts and the current argument over who to replace justice scalia with. president reagan was trying to
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respond to the people who live in a living, changing constitution. he said we have to stick to the values. >> do you have a question? >> i'm always interested in how a book is put together. i looked at your cover, and it was interesting why you chose those four people. i have someone else you could have added there. >> yes, it is reagan, billy g m graham, you added -- is that you? >> yes. >> you have been writing for many years, enhow does someone write when they have another job? >> he didn't sit at the bar drinking. >> you know, the one thing i admit because i'm living here pretty much now, i had two computers. one with a time line, and the
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other one i'm working on, and of course i have -- but it is my space where i come and focus, and focus is the hardest thing. focus, and -- >> do you thereon much-- listen music? >> no. it has to be just instrumental, no lyrics. >> congratulations on the timing, you're smack dad in the middle of a race on both sides. people can read the book, will it help them decide who to vote for? >> i think it will. i don't know if it would change your perception, there is ronald reagan, eleanor roosevelt, but you have a sense of where we are as americans. and understand how people have
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created change in the past. it is an honor and a tribute to the founding fathers. our country endures, and change happens and getting involved and creating, shaping that change. i think voting, political involvement, deciding what you want the country to be. >> give whan is going nonthis revolutionary process that we have seen, it takes a long time to read a book flp is a period after where we think i might have included this, or that, did you do that? >> we have so many discussions here about terrorism and the like. i think if i had another shot, i would look at how the cia, the national security agency and all of those things have come to be so large. so while the o.s.s., world war ii, that's the story i would tell. maybe i would talk about
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american media. i didn't do it. >> maybe in the next book. but for now, this one. get your copy. you will want to pass it on as well.
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time for "one more thing." juan is first. >> a tremendous moment of drama
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last night in the ncaa championship. look at this. >> now, it's page -- >> tied the game at 74, shot by marcus page. then even more drama from villa nova's chris jenkins. >> three seconds at mid court. >> gives it to jenkins for the championship. >> oh, baby, that is basketball. that's wonderful. more to the story. jenkins' story, grew up in maryland, family adopted him. the family of nate britt who plays for university of north carolina. villa nova coach jay wright went to recruit britt. who could have thunk that one up. want to do a special tribute to a 12-year-old german shepherd after she was honored and lost her leg while serving in afghanistan. luka completed more than 400
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missions with the u.s. marine corps and was presented with the medal in london. it's the highest award an animal can achieve for service. as i mentioned, she lost her leg, one of the soldiers there applied a tourniquet and now she's back with her original handler, enjoying an incredible life. loyal, intelligent, amazing dog. >> dogs are people, too. >> last august hbo released a documentary called "back on board" detailing the life of olympic diver greg louganis. 43,000 supporters got their wish. image of lug gan nis, 56 years old, four-time gold medalist will be on the box. hurd her edward moses and swimmer janet edwards will appear. >> about time. >> why does it always have to be athletes?
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i could be on the box life size -- >> on the cover. you're on the cover of the book now. >> greg's nutrition tips. >> if you're going to go out to eat, never bite off more than you can chew. here is jeremy piven at a local restaurant trying to eat an actual cat. as you know -- luckily the cat was asleep or would have taken a swipe at mr. piven who clearly is famished, clearly gained weight since the failure of the "entourage" movie. >> how did the story end? >> they got married and opened a bed and breakfast in vermont. >> perfect. making jam. what we all want to do. >> i think he was trying to tickle him to wake him up. everyone wants to know why the tie. you want to know? >> actually i had an orange tie on. i came down, and juan was wearing it so i had to change it. i'm not going to tell you. go to facebook and twitter. i've posted why the tie.
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i'm curious. everyone has a theory. >> you're not going to tell snus. >> no. you have to check it out. that's it for us. "special report" is up next. stay tuned for all the election coveragell night. we are coming to you tonight from america's election headquarters in new york. for fox news coverage of the wisconsin presidential primary. this is a fox news alert. i'm bret baier. we're a little under three hours away from the polls closing in the badger state. in a switch, the front-runners are both underdogs tonight. donald trump and hillary clinton will maintain delegate advantages, either way tonight turns out. wisconsin is an opportunity for ted cruz and bernie sanders to cut into their leads. with fox team coverage, john roberts in milwaukee as ted cruz tries to make a stuff stretch for donald trump. henry in brooklyn where hillary clinto

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