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prognosticators. i'm megyn kelly. this is "the kelly file." and thanks. this is a fox news alert. welcome to "hannity." tonight the battle for wisconsin, on the republican side, fox news is now projecting senator ted cruz, he will win the badger state. donald trump second. governor kasich third place and as for the democrats, bernie sanders will in fact defeat hillary clinton. sanders won 6 of the last 7 democratic state contests. joining us now with reaction, former speaker of the house newt gingrich and contributor that h admit this is one of the most fascinating, interesting,
political years, presidential election years, we have ever seen and may ever see in our lifetime. >> it's absolutely unbelievable. you have bernie sanders, a socialist who joined the democratic party for the purpose of running for president, who's giving hillary clinton who's been active at this business now for at least 24 years, the run of her life. he's going to win another victory tonight. on the republican side, everybody who represented the old order's gone. you have as the two major contenders ted cruz who a year ago was the most disliked member of the u.s. senate and now may be their only hope to stop the other guy donald trump who nobody would have thought a year ago would be where he is and then tonight wisconsin i think gave ted cruz an enormous victory. we should not underestimate how big of a victory this is for ted cruz. >> i'd agree with that and also add this. the two times that ted cruz
really needed a win, i would argue the first state, iowa, he needed that state, he got it. he needed this win tonight and a pretty big way. he got it. by my math, i don't see any way anybody gets to 1,237 until california primary and some other states. do you agree with that? >> i agree and i think what it does is puts real pressure on trump. he has to put the campaign back together again at a more inclusive level and a more professional level. he has to understand, by the way, how much ted cruz's team is eating away at his delegates because they're just much better organized down at the grassroots level than trump is. trump's great strength is national media, big crowds, big events. cruz is actually been very methodical and effective as a candidate. i think that what trump has to do is put together a campaign from now through june 6th where
he just sweeps as many delegates as possible because if he's not a 1,237 the day after june 6th he has a long mountain to climb and he has enormous pressures on the other side trying to stop him. >> i want to get back to the arizona issue, the delegate issue being better organized, infrastructure, i think you have hit on the most important question. if somebody does not get to 1,237. now, it's interesting in the exit polls that 60% of the people of wisconsin think that the person that has the most delegates should get the nomination. but 60% of cruz supporters said no, no, no. you need 1,237 or it goes to a contested convention. the's a lot of talk about the split in the party. that would probably drive it an even bigger wedge into the unpredictable election season. thoughts? >> well, i think, first 0 of all, people ought to try to get to 1,237. cruz should.
he can reach out to the dell gas uncommitted, reach out to kasich's delegates, marco rubio's delegates. plus he's got a real shot here of continues down the road to picking up delegates. trump has to go all out. he should win if the polls are right, he should win new york by a huge margin. he should win pennsylvania by a big margin, although the delegates in pennsylvania aren't committed but you get a certain moral pressure if someone comes in as a big, big winner. trump has to figure out can he put together california? california, remember, has both a statewide number, much like wisconsin but also has every district so the relatively small number of republicans in nancy pelosi's congressional district pick delegates and probably more liberal than the average republican and interesting to see california working out. cruz's model is different. cruz has to just grind away, grind away, try to organize from
the grassroots up. my sense is he's winning a lot of delegates who are pledged on the first ballot to trump but they're not pledged for other things. and so, this could get to to be kind of a very interesting dance. >> your own record said that trump or cruz is capable of beating hillary clinton. >> absolutely. absolutely. they would do it very differently. they're very different personalities. but as you just saw, i thought this is one of ted cruz's better speeches. he's beginning to shift to a general election tone and a positive tone which is very important for him. either one of them i think can beat hillary. that doesn't mean they will but they can beat hillary. i also believe, as you know, they're the only two people who are in contention to be nominated. everything else is a fantasy. >> all right. let's talk about the scenario, maybe we should label it the doomsday scenario and even bernie sanders on the democratic side talking about the same thing, a contested convention
there. now, if neither trump or cruz has 1,237 and they did into that convention, we know where they have to -- we know they'll vote on the first ballot, nobody comes up with 1,237 and then begin the horse trading begins. if, for example, and i know you hate this question but i'm going to ask it anyway. the friend karl rove, john boehner's publicly said, oh, anybody can be fom nated. paul ryan. scott walker suggested as such. state delegates, mitt romney is another one whose strategy appears to have a contested convention. if it comes down there and there's an attempt to leapfrog over the people with more delegates, more votes, won more states and give them the nomination, won't the people that voted and caucused for trump and cruz be angry? >> well, it is more than that. the romney people in their
hubris and desire to be all-controlling adopted a set of rules that make it really, really hard for anybody else to get in the game and if you look at the actual rules and anybody who wants to can go to the republican national committee so the whole country can see it. if you go look at it, you find out it says you have to have earned -- not necessarily a win. earned the majority of eight states so florida, for example, theoretically, although they're pledged to trump, could decide they're going to vote to put kasich in nomination. i'll let you decide how likely that is. but if you're not one of the people nominated by eight states, you don't get any votes. and there is no provision for reopening the nomination. >> but here's the problem. i talked to reince earlier and will join us tonight is that those rules written for 2012. new rules will be written for
2016 before the -- why are you laughing at me? i didn't set it up. >> look. i'm laughing at the idea. okay. so -- reince is a dear friend and i think he's the best national committee chairman of modern times but you have to ask him a simple question. the two guys are going to come in under any circumstance have at least 80% of the delegates. now what -- >> i know his answer. his answer will be, well, they get to write the rules. i have to assume that in spite of maybe the contentious nature of the campaign now, trump and cruz agree on one thing, that provision 40 or rule 40 stays in place and if anything they would strengthen it as it relates to the mandatory -- >> right. right. why would trump and cruz get together and say, oh gosh, we just spent a year and a half working the hearts out. why don't we open it up -- >> yeah. >> not just paul but some nice person. mitt romney who i think may have this fantasy. give it to some nice person who
didn't run, didn't raise money, didn't debate, didn't win delegates but what the heck? he's really or she's really a terrific person. i mean, even a novel you couldn't get away with this. >> well, you write novels so i'll take your word for it. all right. let's talk about the state and this was not a surprise. the polls showed that ted cruz was going to have a good night tonight. if one endorsement probably mattered in this entire campaign, it was that of scott walker winning three. races in four years. he had an infrastructure that was amazing, you have very influential talk shows in the milwaukee area that were in the never trump. so they were out there opposing donald trump. and i would argue that donald trump probably had the worst two weeks of his campaign up to this point with the heidi tweet and the things i discussed with him last night. your thoughts? >> well, i mean, first of all, as you know, my wife is from
wisconsin. my son-in-law paul is from sheboygan and very invested in wisconsin. >> a chairsome. >> all you need, baby. and because none of the shares batter. they're symbolic. and we actually did scott's first fund-raiser in milwaukee way back when he first started running. we're very proud of him and we think he's been remarkable governor, so we have it at a standpoint of i think people didn't get it two or three days. scott walker had to win an election and then survive a huge upsurge by unions and liberals and then he had then re-elected. they have built and reince brie bus who was the state chairman part of this. paul ryan was part of this. they had built a real system that is probably the most tested republican party in the entire country. and that party looked out and
said, you know, we don't necessarily love ted cruz but compared to donald trump we're going to be for ted cruz and they, by george, delivered. when i first saw the numbers tonight, i was really surprised. trump was lower than i thought he would be. cruz was higher than i thought he would be. i don't know how it's going to work out and as i understand it a couple of districts in doubt. this is a huge victory for cruz and it's a big victory for scott walker and the republican team. >> i would agree. >> which has really dramatically changed wisconsin. >> when you say that are you suggesting that the establishment is almost using ted cruz? because i think they hate trump and cruz equally, frankly. >> i want to draw a distinct, though. wait a second. the wisconsin establishment isn't the washington establishment. i don't think that scott walker particularly dislikes ted cruz. i think he has an identity with ted cruz. outsiders. they're both change agents. both trying to get something
good done for the country and don't care if the washington team gets it. washington insiders are different. they are -- >> but they want the contested convention. they want the kay why is. >> they're not going do get it. >> they're not going to get ooshdy look. >> trump or ted cruz will be the nominee? >> yes. i don't know how to say this to the many good friends in washington celebrating. i have to tell you. it ain't going to work. it ain't happening. you're going to get ted or donald. live with it. and either one of them can beat hillary and that's good for america. >> i agree with that. it is fascinating to watch the process unfold because there is a lot of resentment now. you can see it on social media. >> yes. >> cruz people hate the trump people. trump people hate the cruz people. do you see any problems in uniting the party? assuming -- i agree with your analysis. trump or cruz at this point. >> no. look. as long as it's trump or cruz, we'll reunite because, frankly, both the trump people and the cruz people e-mail me or tweet
me and say, they dislike washington a heck of a lot more than they dislike the other guy. so, i think the only thing that would shatter the republican party would be if there was some extraordinarily clever way for the old guard having not won a primary, having not contested, having not debated, to cleverly manipulate something in order to get somebody nominated that didn't achieve anything. i think it's either cruz or trump. and i think can, frankly, support either one of them with enormous enthusiasm compared to hillary clinton and i think most of the party by the time we get to convention will rally. >> i hope everybody heard the last part of what you said because that's the most important part. good to see you. >> good to see you. coming up on this wild and crazy night, more reaction out of the results of wisconsin tonight. we'll check in with laura ingraham, tucker carlson. bill hemmer at the big board
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now tonight here in wisconsin a state that just three weeks ago the media had written off, three weeks ago the media said wisconsin was a perfect state for donald trump. but the hard working men and women of wisconsin stood and campaigned tirelessly to make sure that tonight was a victory for every american. >> that was senator ted cruz earlier tonight speaking after the big win in wisconsin. joining us now, the editor and
chief laura ingraham and tucker carlson. both contributors. maybe i have the wrong attitude here but everyone is like in a funeral mode because when you really look at both ted cruz and the success he's had and trump and the success he's had you're talking about two outsider insurging candidates that the establishment hates. >> absolutely. >> what is your analysis of tonight? >> well, yeah, i mean, it was a phenomenal night for ted cruz. he had the organization. he had the spirit. and he had the approach that worked in wisconsin. he had a really popular governor on his side. trump goes against that governor. i didn't get that. i think moving forward this is what we should look at. i'm not as optimistic as newt gingrich is. it's either cruz or trump. i think there are a couple of things going on. i think there's a fight, obviously, between trump and cruz for the delegates and who can vacuum up the most, but then there's a fight of the
establishment and i think trump and cruz and i think when you really look at what's going on, the rnc with a meeting today and all the operatives, politico's reporting it tonight and the operatives in attendance about how to do a contested convention. what will happen with the strategy sessions of votes and the individuals who were at the meeting representatives of the former eric cantor office, trent lo lott, people close to mitt romney, people who worked at the highest levels of the establishment at this meeting. i looked at the roster of people there. there was no one i saw close to trump. maybe matt shlapp is a cruz supporter but i don't get this sense that this is an automatic, that if trump, you know, if these delegates who show up at the convention don't go for trump, unbound and they decide not to go for trump they go for cruz. they could see a disrupted convention. >> i think that's a stronger
possibility only because they're saying it, telegraphing exactly what it is they want to do. if they do that, though. let's just take that hypothetical. if they do that, if they leapfrog over trump and cruz, they won millions of more votes, delegates an states. what do you think's going to happen? i think those people walk and the people that caucused and voted for trump and cruz say good-bye. >> well, i think that there's some people in the establishment okay with that. let's be very frank. i mean, ted cruz thinks they're his newfound friends. i think, you know, i think it's closer to the scenario of speaker gingrich and some of the people using cruz. paul ryan in israel, he looked presidential. sending out tweets about how israel's will be the number one friend. that's fine but he's doing a lot of the things at least on the surface that seemed like a person who's wants to be considered as presidential.
>> they don't want to accept it. usurp the will of the voters and disenfranchise them and i think all hell brokes loose. bernie sanders is speaking and streaming live at foxnews.com. i wouldn't waste your time. sorry. my humble opinion. tucker, this is really important. do you agree with laura? do you think there's an effort afoot to prevent the two leading vote-getters and state winners from getting that nomination? >> i know for fact there is and i know for a fact many republicans in washington think it's feasible and may technically be feasible. it's demented. the worst-case scenarios for republicans is not hillary is elected but the worst-scenario is that happens and the party revealed as an organization that's just doesn't care about the voters supposedly representing. that's a lasting wound not going away for a long time. >> basically saying we don't care. we think we know better who's -- >> of course. you know, i don't know could you
take together trump and cruz and probably will have one north of 70% of the delegates. >> together they unite on the rules committee an i'll get into this with reince, they would be able to stop any of those scenarios. >> but look. that, for all the accusations against trump and to some extent cruz they're reckless, that is an act of supreme recklessness trying to -- saying to voters, 50 state primary elections and none of them matter? we are going to install something by fiat. i think it's so demented it won't happen and they wake up to that and have either trump or cruz as a nominee. >> doesn't that reinforce any shenanigans the very reason that this is an insurgent year, the debt up under boehner, they repeal and replace brk, wouldn't use the power of the purse, didn't stop executive amnesty. now disinfranchise voters?
>> so what? when they didn't oppose the executive amnesty and both boehner and ryan funded the president's budget for a year without any fight at all really after winning the midterm election cycle they knew that would enrage the voters and paul ryan teamed up with democrats and big donors and push that trade promotion authority through. i think they have done a lot of things they know enrage the donors and in the end it's about i think denying what the people have wanted. the people that wanted either a trump or a cruz, they want someone who completely up ends the system and on different states, different temperatures. right? so if ted cruz can keep beating donald trump in state after state after state -- >> can he do that? >> then he'll be the nominee. i don't see that happening in new york and especially the new england states. >> be trump's firewall.
>> why cruz just won? cruz did something that none of the other candidates did and look at the trump phenomenon and ask why's this happening? maybe moderate the views a little bit, orient the themes of the campaign toward, you know, a sort of moderate nationalism and basically what we're talking about. nobody else is willing to do that. look at the fruits it bore. i mean, if -- for people that people despise cruz and trump, "a," these are the choices. sorry. if you don't like it, influence them. "b," look at the other guys you backed and liked. talented, good people a lot of them. why didn't they do that? it's not so hard. >> well said. laura, the last word. >> i just -- i'm not as completely supremely optimistic. maybe it's my -- little cynicism but given what the -- >> i'm as cynical as you are. >> despite what the people have repeatedly said they wanted done
on immigration, trade, globalization, all these issues, i am not supremely confident that a third party won't be at least presented to some of these delegates to say, both of these guys are battered, both of the guys have high negatives, we have to unite the party behind a new person. i don't think that's a problem a lot of establishment folks. >> he had a couple of weenlgs. does he make a course correction leading into new york? >> he better. he better. my en, you can't wing this. this is not like wing it and do a couple of appearances on tv. tough do real preparation, substance. hit the issues. and hit the issues that are gold for you. globalization, trade. >> exactly. >> immigration and some foreign policy. hit it supremely. >> stop talking about yourself. talk about the issues that people care about. >> stop tweeting? >> i don't know but, you know, make it about how we're going to make america great. >> dana perino erased a twitter account on my phone. >> for your own good she said.
do you feel better? liberated? >> i don't feel anything yet. i'll let you know at 3:00 in the morning when i usually tweet. >> hannity, sean, i don't want you to ever stop tweeting. okay? >> she is mad because i -- >> you and tucker and bowling are getting incoming all the time. we have to keep tweeting. >> i'm off twitter as a result. >> good to see you both. great analysis of both of you. bill hemmer at the big board tonight to explain how tonight's results will impact the delegate count. plus, rnc chairman reince priebus with reaction. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line.
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badger state bright republican red. so let me just say, hillary, get ready. here we come. >> all right. that was ted cruz earlier tonight. key delegates at stake in tonight in wisconsin. standing by, he calls it the billboard, i call it the hannity big board with the results breaking it down for the 2016 delegate count is good friend bill hemmer. >> how are you, sean? you'll get this eventually. i have faith in you, my friend. it locks like that basically trump picks up 6 to 9 delegates based on how he's doing upstate and cruz wins the greater majority, the 42 on the line. maybe 33 or 35. but, sean, look at this. this is ruby red walk shaw county.
that is a good night for ted cruz. you want to know how you get to 1,237, right, sean? >> yes, sir. >> based on the calendar, upcoming, et cetera. once you clear wisconsin, you've got a state convention in wyoming which favors cruz right now. okay? i'll come back to that. new york, winner take all. right now, trump looks pretty good in new york. end of the month here, you have five states in the northeast. trump looks pretty good in all five and then we clear the month of april and move to may. and on may 3rd is indiana. looked at the numbers. krumpbling them. looks pretty good for trump. go a week later, west virginia looks good for trump, winner take all, by the way. and nebraska for ted cruz. ping-ponging off one another and very difficult to get to the magic number based on all the scenarios we are looking at. now you're on the 17th of may. oregon and it's 50-50.
if not 50-50, pretty close to it. in the state of washington the same. now the end of may, sean. we bump into june. first tuesday in june is june 7th. north dakota off the map. that's democrats in a caucus. you have five states remaining and some big ones, too. winner take all in montana, south dakota, look good for cruz. new mexico kind of splits. half and half. and that leaves on the board california with 172 delegates and winner take all back here at 51 in the state of new jersey. time and again over the past several days, our best projection right now if this scenario were to play out, donald trump 500 delegates away from the magic number would still be about 40 to 44 delegates short of that number. so when's the rnc do? that's a big question. one other thing to consider. our audience needs to understand what an unbound delegate is in the republican party. that's the equivalent of a super
delegate for the democrats. they have no obligation, they have no -- they don't have to go for a candidate. they can do what they want. there will be, sean, on june 8th, about 150 unbound delegates on the republican party side. so there's going to be huge battle between june 8th and july 18th in cleveland if this is not settled for the loyalty of those 150. because right now that's the way this is shaping up. come back in a week and it might change but as of tonight it looks like trump would be if all this goes to the form that we have 44 delegates shy in june. how about that? >> hey, all right. >> did you get it? >> an extra question. so that would bring trump to 1,195 to 1,200. >> about this. >> what number does cruz have at that time? >> 750. i'm doing the math in my head right now. he would be well short. the only way cruz could get that
is cleveland at the convention. but then you ask yourself a question, sean. when's the rnc do again? >> we'll ask reince. >> not at 1,237 and 40 shy, when's did decision? ask him and see what he says. >> bill hemmer, thank you sir. joining us now, the chairman of the national republican committee, republican national committee reince priebus, say that scenario plays out the way bill hemmer laid it out, what would happen, prins prebus? >> well, you would have -- first of all, it would depend on what happens with the unbound delegates so it depends, obviously, if trump can pick up enough unbound delegates to commit to them then on the first vote he would get 1,237 and be the nominee. if he doesn't he would be short and then you go to ballot number two under the rules. you would call the roll again and you would keep calling the roll until somebody gets to the
majority of delegates. that's what would happen but i think the key to what bill just outlined, it was mostly correct, not completely but the key is ske me in a beweek and a half a it might be different. probably going to change up and down and we have still got a few months of this analysis that we're going to be doing and talking about. >> trump went in with 400-delegate lead and didn't get the nomination and let's say it didn't go to cruz which was something we have to talk about. do you not think there would be outright anger and frustration and sense of betrayal among his supporters? >> sure. there's always -- everyone's charged up. of course there's going to be -- someone has to get -- someone has to get the majority. i have never disagreed with your premises. this is not a huge challenge but, you know, ford went into
the convention 30 short and won on ballot number 1 and it was over. walter mondale in 1984 went in 40 delegates short and he won on the first ballot and not like the things don't happen. >> here's the difference in the race, though. you have people like john boehner, karl rove here, you have john kasich who's running on the premise that he might be able to get it at the convention. scott walker in a private meeting in new york i'm told talked about paul ryan and rnc state chairman and people stated that they're thinking to bring in a third person. if there is an attempt to jump, leapfrog over the two top vote getters, the two top state winners, two top delegate winners, don't you think that those people that caucused and voted for the two top guys they're going to walk away and never come back? >> well, look. i mean, clearly, there's a rule in place now that candidates
need a majority of eight states, delegates. >> that's rule 40. >> a majority to be even nominated so, i mean, just -- i've said it before. not like i'm making news. i believe the candidate -- the nominee's going to be someone running. as far as paul ryan, again, number one, he's not running. number two, he doesn't want to. number three, he doesn't like this talk and wants it to end. number four, he is not going to have a floor operation to do any of these things. it's ridiculous. >> your opinion as the state chairman the nominee of the party, are you confident tonight that it will be either donald trump or ted cruz? are you confident? >> i think it -- this is what i'll say. i think our nominee is someone who's running. okay? i'm not going to -- i'm not -- >> three people running. i mean -- >> someone running. >> mathematically john kasich can't catch up to them. you won't say for the record cruz or trump? >> no. i'm going to say it's someone that's running, sean.
>> define running. meaning, running mean it's cruz, trump or kasich? >> i think it's going to be one of the three people running is going to be the nominee. >> how's john kasich get there without leapfrogging over people -- >> you have to -- you're going to have to ask john kasich but i'm not going to do something that's going to be an affront right now to john kasich. he's a good governor and running and up to him. i believe it's one of the three. >> all right. reince priebus, rnc chair, thank you. ed henry and results out of wisconsin. wisconsin. peter johnson jr., ge thank you. hope to see you again soon. whoa, whoa, i got this. just gotta get the check. almost there. i can't reach it.
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primary. sanders won 6 of the last 7 states and just how worried is the clinton campaign? joining us now live in brooklyn, new york, ed henry. ed? >> reporter: good to see you, sean. just around the corner from the clinton headquarters. this is a sign that this is dragging on. you remember after the beating of hillary clinton in new hampshire, a memo by the campaign manager saying the race would be decided in march and the calendar getting much better and the map was going to get better for hillary clinton. here we are in early april. bernie sanders is not going away. he has momentum as you say. at least six straight victories. he also has money. he raised almost $15 million more than hillary clinton did in march, that means he has the fuel, yes, to stick around. so he has momentum. he has money and hillary clinton trying to catch up. tonight not seeing her give a speech on a primary night. nope. fund raising in the bronx. final point.
yes, bounce has the money. he has momentum but the hillary clinton camp believes she has the math. there's a pledge lead and then party bosses are largely siding with her. bernie sanders camp threw out the idea of an open convention and flip super delegates there in philly in july. the clinton camp is balking saying the sanders camp knows they can't win fair and square and going to try to flip super delegates. this is obviously still getting negative. getting nasty. bernie sanders is simply not going away. sean? >> all right. ed henry, thank you. joining us, legal analyst peter johnson jr., correspondent geraldo rivera and monica crowley. let's go back. alaska, the caucus, sanders won. in washington state, 73-27. and in hawaii, 70-30. you take away the super delegates, this is a whole different race. if anybody has a case to be made about unfairness, i think it's
bernie sanders. >> yeah. perception is reality and bernie sanders now has the momentum. he is attracting younger voters, voters under 30 in massive numbers. he's got the energy and the enthusiasm and the win in wisconsin tonight is significant for one major reason. yes, it tips the scales sort of back to him in terms of momentum. but remember that wisconsin is the birthplace of progressivism and if he lost tonight, that would have been a huge story. >> good point. >> picking up on that, it's the birthplace of socialism and perfect for bernie sanders to run for national student council president and then another state all young white votfolks votingr him. he'll have a rude awakening in new york and new jersey and -- >> catching up in california. >> not getting any significant black or brown votes at all. i think that bernie sanders is an annoyance and prolongs the process and i think that he even
less than ted cruz has a shot. >> sean, it is a throwback to the corrupt t ammany hall scandal. 70%, 80% he is not coming out on the other side of it set up from the beginning to have hillary clinton win. >> with the super delegates. >> the folks can bang each other's heads on the walls and the young kids and women get out there for bernie sanders. but it's not going to mean a lot in the end. >> a democratic nominee who doesn't appeal to the diversity of the democratic party? >> bigger than that. will bernie sanders supporters walk just like, for example, contested convention -- >> may not show up. >> yeah. and a lot of -- >> smoking weed. >> smoking weed in the alley? >> they're not going to support anyone. what this shows is fact of a disshovelled 74-year-old socialist gives the clinton machine a run. it dees dichotomy. >> weakness, peter.
>> tough to pull folks in the general election when you have a discordant group of folks now that think rules. >> one last thing. hillary clinton thinks she is running in bill clinton's party. this is barack obama's party. >> very good point. i have in my hands a statement from donald trump. we'll give it to our panel when we come back and you, of course. stay with us on this business news night. news night. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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. trump says ted cruz, as the governor of wisconsin many talk radio hosts behind him, not only was he propelled by the antitrump super pac, spending countless millions of dollars in false advertising but coordinating with his own super pac, who is illegal. ted cruz is worse than a puppet, a troejan horse being used by party bosses attempting to steal the nomination from mr. trump. we have total confidence mr. trump will win in new york where he holds a lead in the polls and beyond. mr. trump is the only candidate
that can secure the candidate needed for the nomination and defeat hillary clinton or whoever the nominee is in order to make america great again. >> he didn't go out tonight. >> he should have. why not? he could have read it off the prompter. >> read it slower than i just d. >> and you know, for the benefit of time. all right. so new york, right? . >> i think so. there is a big rally tomorrow on long island. they have security galore. it's going to be huge, to use his phrase. i think ted cruz is not going to see a state like that again. you know, new york, pennsylvania, new jersey. you know, then, california just came back from there. trump looking like he's going to take most of california. plus 18 in pennsylvania. >> yes. he had a terrible week. >> terrible week and self inflicted wounds, really. >> he admitted it last night.
that is a change, peter about the heidi cruz tweet. >> sure. >> if you go by bill hemmer's analysis, it can change, obviously. if he shows up 40 or 44 short, what do you think happens? >> well, then, then all hell breaks loose. >> you know, we're talking about other analogies in terms of history but it was a fight between the two leaders. it wasn't the parties saying the two leaders are out of the convention hall. we're going to pick a third leader. they pick a third leader, republicans lose, they lose. because republicans will not tolerate that at all. and so, this statement by trump fight, fight, fight, that is a smart statement. >> he's saying -- >> correction, does he need to certainly know more unforced errors? heidi cruz? tweeting late at night? >> absolutely. i think he recognizes that. his campaign came out today saying he will pivot to a more
presidential stance. he'll be delivering policy heavy speeches toea groups like the national economic club of new york. and he's going to be talking about the supreme court, the justices and judges. >> that would be a smart move. >> the military, reforming education. policy heavy speeches that he needs to do in order to pivot away from this kind of combativeness that has gotten him in some trouble. >> we said it nine months ago, specifics, ideas. >> that still doesn't get him to 1,237. looking as right now -- >> 3yeah, but it may get him o the second round. >> really? >> do you think trump is better in the second round? >> good to see all of you. coming up, more "hannity" right after this break. ter the . ter the . i am totally blind. i lost my sight in afghanistan. if you're totally blind, you may also be struggling with non-24. calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com.
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