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my life sing. to make it sing. >> but by the summer i'm going to work on that and look like miss sy copeland and exercise. follow me on twitter. thanks for watching, everyone. this is "the kelly file." > . tonight -- >> when he started lecturing me on new york values like we're no good -- like we're no good -- >> i'm campaigning across new york an people are stopping me literally every day say i know what you meant and i'm fed up with what these liberal democrats are doing to us, the people of new york. >> the new york primaries are only 11 days away. kimberly guilfoyle, david limbaugh, michael cohen are here to react. >> some point between now a -- they say this -- they'll get to
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see hillary clinton in handcuffs. >> hillary laughs off the notion to be indicted for the server scandal. how can she be so secure? >> this convention process will be over with sometime in june, probably june 7th. >> trump's convention manager is confident he'll secure the nomination before july. all of that, plus former 2016 republican presidential candidate mike huckabee joins us and "hannity" starts right here right now. and welcome to "hannity" and tonight 11 days away from the new york primaries and on the republican side donald trump, well, he wants to make sure that voters remember who ted cruz said about, quote, new york values. take a look. >> everyone understands that the values in new york city focus around money and the media. >> i saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beautifully, more humanely than new york. ♪ >> and last night, during an interview, senator ted cruz
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stood by the remarks and said people knew what he meant. take a look. >> everyone in new york and outside of new york knows exactly what i meant by that and it is the liberal values of democratic politicians who have been hammering the people of new york for decades. they've suffered under these liberal values. it's been politicians like governor andrew cuomo, like hillary clinton, like mayor bill deblaz yes. >> is he right? yesterday former new york city mayor giuliani told "the new york post" he's voting for trump on the 19th and when it came to senator cruz's comments, giuliani said, quote, it's new york city. we're family. i can make fun of new york but you can't. i know he was attacking liberal democratic values. i know. i fought to change those policies in areas of welfare reform and policing and mayor bloomberg and there was a better way to say it. joining us now with reaction, author david lick bought and michael cohen and you know her, she is the co-host of "the five"
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kimberly guilfoyle. is that a big issue? >> are. it offended me to be honest. i don't know why he thought that was a good idea. try to get the states and not alienate voters and something that trump is able to capitalize on and he should. he should ride it all the way through the new york primary. >> he wants 50% plus 1 in new york. >> this will help him. >> he gets more than 50%. i don't understand ted cruz's comment. if you think about it, other than bill deblasio as mayor, for 20 years run under republicans both giuliani and mike bloomberg and not sure what democratic values he was referring to. >> david, your thoughts? does that make a difference? if trump takes the majority of the 95 delegates in new york makes him mathematically impossible for cruz to get to 1,207. >> yeah. and kimberly, you know, i love
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you. i don't think i've ever disag e disagreed with you but this is a blown-up issue of trump faltering after losing wisconsin. the negatives on women. the overall negatives. the fact that cruz has done better since rubio dropped out and all these signs. everyone knows including rudy that ted was only talking about liberal values. this is a gop primary for goodness sake. we're talking about new york with its taxes, the transgender bathrooms, the multiculturalism. surely we can be the defend earls of liberty in a new york primary without worrying about political correctness. donald trump stands for political correctness and pretending to be offended by this comment of ted cruz when everyone knows it wasn't directed at the 9/11 first reasoned spores, not at gop conservatives or republicans. it was directed purely and simply at liberal values which donald trump brought up in an
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interview with tim russert in 1999 which he couched in the pro-choice message at the time. >> why are we talking about 1999, sean? we are talking about it happened at the debate when ted cruz brought it up and i believe donald trump was immediately as was i as a new yorker who lost many friends in the world trade center attack, he was offended and i think all new yorkers were offended. and interesting thing is he brings up wisconsin, also. why are you talking about wisconsin? you're making it seem as if though the race is hinging upon wisconsin and its delegates. >> you know the -- you know the context of wisconsin brought up. the momentum shifted to ted cruz. that's the context. and we're talking about pure liberalism. i don't -- the idea -- >> talking about wisconsin you guys are talking as if you've already won the race. like i said the other day, be very careful what you say
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because the victory lap is really far away for ted cruz. >> i'm not saying this. >> let me jump in and bring up -- >> let's quit acting like this. >> david, you want to finish your thought? go ahead. >> well, let's quit acting like it's a high school debate and take a position required to be affirmative or negative. the truth is we know what we're talking about. >> the truth is you're the one taking on that posture an i'm responding to it. i'm just responding to it. you're taking on a posture -- >> hong on a second. >> making it seem as though wisconsin is end all be all for the election. >> wisconsin in the rear-view mirror now. >> this is an issue i think you're going to agree on. you know, if you look at john boehner's comments of a contested convention and anybody's name can be nominated on the convention floor and karl rove we said somebody, a fresh face. he's talking specifically about somebody that's not run. scott walker said in it a
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meeting in new york. john kasich's campaign is based on it. others have said it, as well. now they don't make up the rules of the convention until all the voting is over. >> right, right, right. >> do you think that there's a possibility the establishment will try to disenfranchise voters of trump and cruz? >> yeah. i think it's a big mistake. this is such a historic primary season. yes, it's had its ups and downs and we have seen a large volume of voter turnout, enthusiasm. people standing for positive change and not washington politics as usual. why wouldn't you embrace that. make a big tent and carry it forward to the convention and honor the votes cast? >> we're saying the same thing. it will open the door for hillary. >> sean, i agree with her 100% and donald trump is that guy. he dees guy that seems to be the one that's bringing out the
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voters. not just blin republicans but independents and democrats. why would you shoot the best messenger that the republican party had in a long, long time? >> what do you think, david? i know, for example, people, we'll use wisconsin as an example, scott walker got on board. he had the infrastructure in the state. it certainly didn't hurt ted cruz on his path to victory there. but here's the question. i get the impression that they're not talking about, well, stopping trump to help cruz, that they would sooner jump over both of them, leapfrog over both of them and bring in, you know, some other third person, a paul ryan or somebody, and disenfranchise everybody. >> well, there are certain people in the republican party who fan that size about that, who hate both trump and cruz. but i don't think it's a realistic possibility. as newt says, when those two trump and cruz receive 80% of the delegates and votes, it is not unrealistic. reince priebus is talking about
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it not being realistic. there's no force that's set out to do that. they know better. it would be the end of the republican party. i think the problem of talking about this so much, people talk all they want about it, is that it ab securing the fact that there can be a genuine fight in the convention if nobody ends up with 1,237 going in and i want there to be a fair fight. cruz and trump can fight after the first ballot, after the second ballot in a fair way, legitimate way, in a way that regards process and the law and the rules. and whoever wins is legitimate. as long as there's no shenanigans pulled. i don't want it to be perceived if ted cruz ends up winning because he pays attention to details. he was part of the establishment. >> by the away i agree. an end to the republican party. i think that reince priebus knows it. everybody knows it. if mr. trump, number one, i think he gets to 1,237 taking new york and california which he should do, not to mention the
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northeast. this is his territory. so thes one with the momentum right now. >> thank you all for being with us. good the see you. >> thank you. coming up on this busy friday news night here on "hannity" -- >> that is not going to happen. there is not even the remotest chance it will happen. >> she is laughing, hillary clinton laughing about the possibility of her ending up behind bars because of the server scandal and discuss that next. later tonight -- >> this convention process will be over with sometime in june, probably june 7th and it will be apparent to the world that trump is over the 1,237 number. >> convention manager's predicting the boss clinches the nomination before the convention. that's coming up later tonight. and a quick programming note, monday 10:00 p.m. in saratoga springs in new york interviewing presidential candidate ohio governor john kasich for the hour. more "hannity" coming up after this.
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live from america's news headquarters. i'm patricia stark. presidential candidate ted cruz adding 21 more delegates to his total tonight. cruz sweeping the republican contests in all 7 colorado congressional districts. he could tally 13 more tomorrow during the state's republican convention. gop front-runner donald trump earning just two alternate delegates today and well ahead in the total count beating cruz by some 200 delegates. and belgian authorities arresting what could be the last suspect linked to the terror attacks in brussels. the suspect mohammed abrini could be the so-called man in twit escaping from the airport moments after the twin bombings. he was detained with four others
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following the raid of the attack killing 32 and injuring hundreds more. i'm patricia stark. now back to "hannity." for all of your headlines, log on to fox welcome back to "hannity." so with just 11 days to go until the new york democratic primary, hillary clinton, bernie sanders fighting for every delegate and hillary has more than just a few delegates to worry about. there's an investigation about the server scandal but earlier today she didn't seem too concerned. she was yucking it up and laughing. take a look. >> they say this. they say this. that they will get to see hillary clinton in handcuffs. >> oh my goodness! >> there will be a political perp walk based on the private e-mail server. >> well, matt, i know that they live in that world of fantasy and hope because they've got a mess on their hands on the republican side. that is not going to happen. there is not even the remotest
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chance it will happen. i think it's a security review. it is a security review. and there are lots of those that are conducted in our government all the time. >> here with reaction, the chief counsel for the american center for law and justice, jay sekulow, robert bianchi is with us. jay, let's start with you. >> yes, sir. >> she can yuck it up and laugh all she wants. i can't imagine dozens and dozens fbi agents spent months on something, oh, this is nothing. this is no big deal. she is not led away with handcuffs. i don't think i'd be feeling that way if i was her. >> she calls it and some in the media calling it, sean, a security review. i was a government lawyer and the idea it's security review, then it would have been conducted by the inspector general's office by the state department. this is not that. this is the fbi with numerous agents involved reviewing all of the information to determine, in
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fact, if there's a violation of criminal law. this comes on the heels of the last five weeks two federal court judges, one calling her set-up extraordinary, another chastising the government for alouging this whole set-up to begin in the first place and accusing the government of cover-up. so this idea that this is just some nonchalant security review happening in every government agency, the fbi doesn't usually engage in non-departmental security reviews. that will be handled by the inspector general's office. so there's more to this. the question will be, will the department of justice take the advice if the fbi makes a determination, if they make the determination, and do what's called a criminal reference letter saying here's the case to the department of justice, laying it on the table, sort to speak, will the department of justice take action? that become it is political question. >> that's the big scandal. robert, do you see a criminal referral coming out of this based on what we know now from the inspector general of the intelligence community, dozens
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and dozens of these e-mails beyond top secret class if i case, seems to me that the law is broken. >> well, sean, i have said this from the beginning of this case. the procedures and policies with regard to how these e-mails allowed to move have not caught up with the modern times with regard to the technology in old laws. they're going to have to show she knowingly in my opinion was vie latting the laws because as a former head prosecutor, we are not dancing on a pin on technicalities. >> i have evidence she knew because she actually sent out a memo to the entire state department warning them against the use of e-mails, in other words, work e-mails on private devices. >> sean, what people don't understand as far as the u.s. attorneys do and fbi rock solid cases to prove to 12 folks beyond a reasonable doubt and a case of 1941 indicated even if you violate the espionage act, you have to show it's done with the intent to harm the interests
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of the united states. >> that's not the standard. >> how about the moving the server to a private location? i mean, that's the basic claim where it all started. that the server itself, her personal server, where the e-mails came top secret and special access actually moved to a private non-governmental, non-approved not secure server in colorado. that and in itself -- i had to try cases, too. you can't do it on mere hope. you have to have evidence. >> isn't it standard -- >> it was the server itself. >> and gross -- in other words, don't the handling of it, if that was in other words if they mishandled such sensitive information, sthnt a crime in and of itself, jay? >> yeah. and i think when's happening is everybody's getting caught up in the individual e-mails and problematic and beyond top secret, congress can't have access to them or as you
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mentioned special access e-mails, this's problematic. those are all parts of a crime. i don't disagree with robert. i had to do this. prove your case ina reasonable that's a tough standard but the reality is the fbi -- i don't believe -- robert probably doesn't either believe it's a security review. >> let's ask robert this. >> that's beyond the pale there. >> why did they give the guy that pled the fifth immunity now? >> he exercised the right to remain silent and may want the testimony maybe not only seek a conviction or evidence to further the investigation and exonerate. dy that plenty of times with relevant information. you have to be careful here because the fbi and the u.s. attorney's office is not going to be prosecuting case with fuzzy language in facts with custom and practice of private servers and e-mails before and those people -- >> that's not exactly accurate. that's the democratic talking point. nobody went to the length and
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the depth that hillary clinton did. she put her server at a mom and pop shop, ended up in a bathroom closet. >> agreed. >> talking about top secret information where american methods and names of people and operatives could be compromised and maybe killed. >> i don't disagree with that, sean. she had the other server. people used yahoo! and g-mail. >> not the extent she did. >> that's safer. the reality is the section and not fuss, this isn't fuzzy. if you knowingly and willfully put the material in an unauthorized location it is a crime. punishable by one year in prison and $10,000 for both. that's 181924, the criminal code. i go back to the server issue. different than the way anybody else set it up and occasional use of a personal e-mail account is one thing. intentional act and this is where the government has to meet the burdens. to set up the server to kir
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circumvent the safeguards in the state department is the problem for hillary. will they indict? i don't believe by the way and robert may know more about this particular case. it may not just be hillary clinton. it could be other people. >> i agree. and the statute is right statute and says with sbentd which means it was a -- >> yes. >> they have to prove. you know counsel as well as i do how difficult to prove intent without direct evidence. maybe immunity because he has that direct evidence and -- >> could be. >> i think it's a difficult case for the government prove and the fbi and the u.s. attorney's office does not like going into courtroom with cases that talk about intent, when there's policies and procedures for many years where this whole thing is very fuzzy. >> but, robert, the thing is this doesn't go -- i don't think it goes -- not the typical case to go from fbi to doj and right to a u.s. attorney. there's more politics involved
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here. it goes from the fbi to the doj and a thought process there. >> do you think criminal refrlg happens, jay? yes or no? >> i think it's -- you know, look. i think that the risk for hillary clinton is great. but the reality is, indicting the former secretary of state would be a big step. the president would basically through the justice department would have to authorize it. >> does the fbi recommend the -- is there a criminal referral by the fbi? >> i would not be surprised at all of a recommendation. >> last word? >> people high up and yeah. >> there will not be a referral on the substantive allegations unless during the course of the investigation, an intent to hide justice. >> that's a different case. >> knowing the clintons, that happened. thank you both. next tonight on "hannity" -- >> this convention process will be over with sometime in june, probably june 7th epa it will be apparent to the world that trump is over the 1,237 number. >> that was donald trump's convention manager, confidently
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saying that trump will clinch the nomination before july. that's next. also tonight drks -- >> you are defending the people who kill the lives that you say matter. tell the truth. >> black lives matter protesters interrupting a bill clinton speech yesterday. we'll play you the rest of the response and reaction as we continue. the all-new audi a4, with apple carplay integration.
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chen, ed roland and lee carter. >> i know paul and a competent guy and great addition to the campaign. assuming they do very, very well in new york and california. california is my home state and the structural people on the cruz campaign out there have been the former party chairman. not a moderate state on the conservatives and there's a lot of people that know, you know, you go to nancy pelosi's district and win 300 votes, 3 delegates. orange county, 60,000. they know that state well. i don't think the trump do yet and shouldn't make an assumption. >> they have time? >> they have time. i think, obviously, a good goal to have. i assume neither have the delegates before. >> you think it's contested? >> i think it's contested and basically the last week or month fighting real hard for these -- >> lanhee chen, how do you see it coming down? >> i think it's contested.
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with california, ed is right. john kasich could be a factor here particularly in the bay area, silicon valley. kasich's doing pretty well and a problem for trump because those somewhat conservative and moderate voters could go for trump were it not for kasich and comes down to california. he has to do well in new york and the april 26 states like pennsylvania, connecticut and maryland and i think in either case i don't see him getting to 1,237 before the convention, sean. >> he doesn't. let's go, lee, if we can just go over potential possibilities, hypotheticals. so, trump has 1,100, cruz has 900. what happens then? >> i think it goes contested as we are all saying but i think if it's really, really close, i think it's got to be -- i mean, if trump gets to 1,200, 1,1500 and talking really close and math to get him there and pull it off in the first round and i think he can then trump can be
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our candidate. >> do you think he could get -- what do you think? if you had to guess the numbers, what do you think it is going to be? >> trump probably 150 short. he may be able to make that up. but that's the real battle. that's the swapping. i think that if -- >> teaming up with kasich or cruz? >> you know, kasich doesn't want to be vice president at this point in time. he wants to be president and deluding himself. i think the reality here, if trump doesn't make it in the first ballot and goes to second and third, i think cruz is stronger with all the delegates free and what the cruz campaign is doing very effectively and frequent operatives, lining people up to go for the second, third ballot and very important. >> they've just -- they know it's contested. >> they know they can't win 1,237 but they're doing better on things the last few days here, these -- and the trump people sort of walking away from the little conventions and colorado. >> mistake? >> big mistake. go every single delegate, every place.
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he could have wrapped it up a month ago with a team like he's putting together now. >> lanhee? >> sean, back in 2012, this was something that romney campaign did well to make sure that the delegates selected in these regional, in these local and state conventions were people to be with romney to the end and that's what cruz is doing and in california, i remember a year ago at the california republican party convention, cruz folks organizing a year ago. they will do well in orange county, san diego, probably some parts of the -- >> think seem to have an empire in los angeles area, central valley, delegates in the area and trump doing better in other parts of the state, up north and elsewhere. so, it's going to be interesting. lee, what do you predict for a count now, it's the end of june 7th? >> look. i think that if he has a big day in the 19th and a big day on the 26th there's momentum and i think he can strike within 100. within 100 and i think that's
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the key number. he's got to strike within 100 to take it in the first round and he has to take it in the first round to take it because like everyone's been saying, everybody else is a stronger game and a second or third round and what happens with ryan, other people trying to take it in the second or third round and got to strike within 100 and i think he can as long as he has a strong of days as he's hoping to 19th and 26th. >> thank you. next, tonight, right here on "hannity" -- >> you are defending the people who kill the lives you say matter. tell the truth. >> all right. bill clinton bill clinton apologized for that. he was responding to black lives matter protesters in an event yesterday. we'll check in with larry elder and eric guster. later tonight, governor mike huckabee is here. stay with us.
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yesterday bill clinton disrupted by black lives matters protesters and this is how he responded. take a look. >> i like protesters. but the ones that won't let you answer are afraid of the truth. that's a simple rope. be afraid. be very, very afraid. i don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out on to the street to murder other african-american children, maybe you thought they were good citizens. she didn't. she didn't! you are defending the people who kill the lives you say matter! tell the truth! >> all right. joining us now with reaction, host larry elder and commentator, trial attorney eric guster. it is interesting, larry, after a day of that kind of going viral a little bit an ena lots of news picking up on it he apologized for basically telling the truth and the truth is there
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is a lot of black on black murder and crime that gets zero publicity or zero commentary by a lot of people in the media if it's not ferguson, if it's not trayvon martin. >> right. >> very different double standard. right? >> absolutely. you know, i've long been on record, sean, saying that the drug problem which is what this should be dealt with as a public health problem opposed to criminal justice problem and other thing president clinton could have said is of the 34 members of the congressional black caucus, 24 of them voted for it. people like jesse jackson leading the fight to strengthen the anti-drug laws because so many people in the inner city murdered, being killed, exploited as bill clinton said. >> some of the protesters actually accused, eric guster, hillary clinton profiting from black people's pain yesterday d.
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you see that? >> i didn't see that part but hillary has really done a poor job with african-american community. for example, with this, with bill clinton actually trying to lash out at the protesters, the clintons upset with black people holding them accountable for the things they did. hillary's saying super predators and other derogatory things like that. people are being held accountable finally for their -- >> why am i in the position to defend hillary clinton. there is a double standard, if a conservative said it, think'd be excoriated. hillary got a pass until recently and somebody brought it up at a town hall. the reality is, there are super pred tofrator predators. >> bill clinton his criminal law policies were really impactful in the african-american community. clintons had a pass with african-americans for years and years, i mean, two election cycles.
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>> why should -- is what bill clinton said true or false? what he said, is that true or false? >> what he said is actually false. because what bill clinton was trying to deflect from, people were trying to hold him accountable for the things he did and as well as what hillary did. and he was trying to deflect from the actual issue. >> do you think it was true, larry? >> why are we pretending there's not a crime problem in the inner city? come on. number one preventable cause of death for young, black men homici homicide. for young white men is car accidents. there is a disproportionate amount of crime in the inner city of other black people. out nonsuicide gun deaths in america, half are black people killing other black people. usually young people. often gang related. there's a real problem and has to do with did breakdown of the black family. to argue and blame somebody, blame left wing policies encouraged women to marry did government and men to abandon the financial and moral responsibility. i didn't say it. obama said if you grow up -- let
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me finish. growing up without a dad, five times more likely to be poor and commit crime. nine times more likely to drop out of school. 20 times more likely to go to jail. that's what we ought to be talking about here. >> but i never said that it's not an issue. i never said that there is not an issue with black on black crime as far as the community and fighting drugs and fighting the gun violence. but when bill clinton actually being held accountable for the things he did -- a school to prison pipeline enacted by lot of his policies, he's not accountable. >> is black america, we're in the eighth year of obama's presidency. i give you all the stats. doubled the debt. millions more in poverty and on food stamps, the lowest labor participation rate in 40 years. is black america better off with obama and the liberal policies in place? >> who are you pitching that question to you? >> that would be you. >> no. i didn't -- i didn't hear my
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name on who's answering the question. >> is black america better off? >> black america is not better off but a lot of those issues came from the bush era with -- >> eight years later, you blame bush? really? really? eight years later? >> the wars that we have been in. that was bush. the search for weapons of mass destruction. >> all right. we have already litigated the bush years. eight years later black america is not better off, is it? larry elder. >> that's a point you made -- >> sean, sean, from the period -- caused by bush. >> from a period of 2010-2013, about 30% decline in black net worth. that happened on barack obama's watch. the poverty level increased under obama. that's on racket. the participation rate, 40-year low. and the so-called wealth gap of black families and white families a the a 25-year high. you cannot blame that on either one of the bushes, my friend. >> all right. we have to leave it there. >> bush put those things in play and the congress would not work with barack obama on the policies. that is a problem the congress
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was horrible. >> after eight years krks you take a little responsibility? eight years. things didn't change. >> i blame -- when it's due. this is not -- this is not -- >> eight years. 55% of black teenagers can't get a job, eric. not helping the economy. >> blocking him. >> i have to run. all right. thank you. >> he's not blaming global warming. >> could be worse. coming up, republican candidate governor mike huckabee joining us to break down the state of the republican race. who does he think wins new york and the rest of the primaries? stay with us. t at t. rowe price, we can help guide your retirement savings. so wherever your retirement journey takes you, we can help you reach your goals. call us or your advisor t. rowe price. invest with confidence.
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welcome back the "hannity." voters in the new york state will head to the polls in 11 days. joining us now to weigh in on the state of the race former presidential candidate governor mike huckabee. look. when you ran, there was a lot of tension. you ran in the bush years when he won and mitt romney and john mccain. there was a lot of tension in those years. right now, i would argue that cruz supporters hate trump. trump supporters hate cruz. it doesn't seem like there's a path to reconciliation. do you see one? >> i think the only reconciliation, sean, comes when
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it's all settled. we have a nominee. and they realize it's either that republican nominee or hillary clinton. and when they really think about that, even the people who say i would never vote for trump, i cannot imagine that there's any republican anywhere who honestly thinks hillary clinton would be a better president. same thing with cruz. there are people who just don't like ted cruz but if it came down to cruz and hillary, i cannot imagine somebody says, yeah, i take hillary. i just don't believe we get there. >> we have talked a lot about john kasich mathematically not having a path to 1,237. it is probably likely after april 26th that ted cruz won't have that path. does that matter? should that matter? >> well, a lot of people have been saying john kasich ought to get out. i've never said that and i don't think he should because he knows the only way to win is not 1,236 before the convention but a candidate still in the race at the convention if things
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completely blow apart and look for someone other than cruz and trump. now, ted cruz is kind of in a conundrum because cruz is say tag there's no mathematical possibility and kasich has to get out. if that's the case for ted cruz after april 27th then the question that every reporter will legitimately ask him, does that mean you have to get out? and that's a question he's going to answer. one of of two things, yes, i have to get out or, no, i was just using a double standard against john kasich. >> you see the work behind the scenes. all the delegate outreach they're involved in. they're prepared now for a contested convention. correct? >> exactly. and it's why it was so disingenuous to say kasich should get out without a pathway. kasich shouldn't get out because his pathway is clear to him. it is not ted cruz or donald trump's or mine or anyone else
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to tell kasich to get out. >> i think the establishment hates trump and cruz and now -- >> i don't think there's any doubt. >> you see the establishment, for example, in wisconsin coalescing behind ted cruz and offering up scott walker. you know, scott walker's support, probably one state where it really was e detectived. was that to stop trump or coalescing behind cruz because they believe he'd be the best guy? >> i think it is obvious to stop trump because you don't see any of these folks really saying we love ted cruz. most of them won't. there are some establishment republicans who are coming around very clearly to donald trump. i mean, rudy jeff sessions, nobody can question whether jeff sessions is an authentic conservative. look at chris christie. >> last question. if they leap frog over, two top
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delegate winners and go with an outsider, don't you think that it's going to create anger, chaos and resentment at that convention? that a lot of people might just stay away in november? >> i think if that were to happen, sean, my view is that we're going to see no less than a political mushroom cloud coming out of cleveland. because i do think it would be discouraging. to have the supporters of trump -- i plan to leave before we turned into particles of dust. right? >> right. >> total disaster, sean. >> in other words, do you think the person with the most delegates at the end of the process, if it's short of 1237 should they get it? . >> i think that that is the smart play because it's going to be very difficult to unsort it any other way. what do you do? give it to the person that didn't get the most delegates?
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>> is it likely you're going to see trump team up with cruz? as unlikely as that seems today? do you see that unfolding? >> there is less of a chance of trump and cruz getting together. i guess anything is possible. i think i will see bernie and hillary clinton team up. i just think the ranker between the two of them is too deep. and considering no republican has been elected president without ohio? >> well, john kasich has been a very effective, successful governor. he understands washington. it's all credentials. so he ought to be on top and the unlikely scenario is either
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trump or cruz would make a deal with kasich. and would more likely align with. >> hard to say. but you know kasich is smart enough to realize if trump and case wrik get together and case wrik were to get delegates it's a good match. >> everyone gets out of this process, they're furious. a lot of anger out there, governor. it's not pretty. >> you know, it's not pretty and we have to realize this is not about just our own passion but the future of our country. i believe the future of our country is in better hands. i said this back when i was one of 17 on the stage. any one of us on that stage would be better than any of the
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republican -- democrats when there are four of them. i say it today as clear as it was back then. >> all right, governor, good to see you. i hope people hear that add mondayation and couldn't agree with you more, thank you, sir. >> you bet. >> coming up, we need your help. a very important question of the day, straight ahead.
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time for the question of the day in light of what trump's convention manager said, do you think donald trump will clench the nomination? go to and let us know what you think. we'll be in saratoga springs interviewing ohio governor john
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kasich for the hour. thanks for being with us. we'll see you on monday. hope you'll join us. ill see you. 7:00 p.m. eastern. right here. ♪ ♪ hi, i'm jesse watters in for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching this special edition of the factor, election 2016. and our top story tonight, ted cruz on the attack. the texas senator went after donald trump on the factor last night saying is he not much different from establishment politicians like hillary clinton. >> it's actually not a question of being more conservative or not. if you are fed up with the corruption of washington. >> yeah. >> donald trump and hillary clinton are flip sides of the same coin. hillary clinton has made millions of dollars selling power and access in washington and donald trump has made billions of dol