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ballpark, president george h.w. bush tossed the ball from his wheelchair a few feet from home plate. he was pumped, he was happy to sit there and watch the game. by the way, the royals beat them. >> go on our facebook page and like the picture. martha: donald trump and the rnc are locked in a hot fight over the mom nation process. the party is firing back. good morning, name martha maccallum. eric: i'm eric shawn in for bill hemmer. mr. trump is saying in his view the rules are stacked against him. now he's accusing the republican national committee from conspiring to keep him from winning the nomination. >> our republican system is
absolutely rigged. it's a phoney deal. these are dirty tricksters. and i'll tell you why. the rnc, the republican national committee, they should be ashaped of themselves for allowing this kind of crap to happen. they should be ashamed of themselves. martha: is donald trump partly right in what he's saying? >> i don't think he's right at the system was rigged. if it were a rigged system then he or his team would not have known the rules and that's the case. he complains and whines about this when he loses. when he lost wisconsin, he claimed with no evidence that ted cruz and his super back even gained in illegal activity.
now he's saying everybody knew they were out there for states like colorado and other state. they were public information. he's claiming it's rigged against him to the fact he should have known better. it's one thing to say i didn't have my act together and. >> the to say it's rigged. that's not the case. martha: people feel like this decision in many way has been taken out of their hand. they heard more about the superdelegate process than they have anything in their lives. is he tapping into something that will serve him politically down the road? >> he's trying to get this idea out there that this process is unfair. but we have to look at the facts
on the ground. this is what last has got hip so angry. he is claiming there was never a vote. he had a lot of help. the problem is there was a vote. i'm not going to defend it here, but there was a vote on march first on the caucus and those vote went on to elect delegates to the local and state levels who will select delegates. those rules weren't his, they were just a little complicated. there was a debate in colorado, there are two debate about whether to go to a more straightforward primary. i talked to people in colorado who say donald trump wasn't involved. donald trump wasn't complaining about any of the rules until after he lost. it's important to talk about
those facts when we talk about this issue. martha: essentially this process is the party picking a candidate. they look to be informed and they can do this process the way they want to do it. nuke warren, thank you very much. >>io governor john kasich is campaigning in maryland. he's slamming his rival saying they are taking america to a dark place in an evident to win. the governor says he was choosing a different route to the presidency. >> the path that exploits anger, encourages resentment, turns fear into hatred and divide people. this path solved nothing. it weakens our country and cheapens each one of us.
the other part is the one america has been down before. it's well tried. at times it's very steep, but it's also very solid. it's from this higher path that we are arounded the much greater -- we are offered this much greater view. eric: he has 143 delegates. martha: house speaker paul ryan says count me out of the presidential race. they talk of a contests gop convention. ryan held a news conference yesterday afternoon. he wanted to address those rumor and put them to rest. he says he will not accept the party's nomination. nomination. >> we have too' work to do in the house to allow this
speculation to swirl or have my motor vagues questioned. let me be clear. i do not want nor will i accept the nomination from our party. if no candidate has a majority on the first ballot. i believe you should on choose from a person who has actually participated in the primary. count me out. martha: speaker ryan says just because he's not running doesn't mean he won't be part of the elect debate about what kind of country america should be. he says by doing that he took his name out and effectively everybody else's name out from the discussion. we'll argue that he took out case up as well which i think is a tougher argument to make.
eric: the 9/11 report that raises questions about whether saudi arabia was involved in the terror attacks on our country. there is a debate on whether to unseal those document. leland vittert is with us. why now are they looking to declassify these pages. >> the president leaves for saudi arabia next week. no one suggests the 28 pages provide a smoking gun proving a saudi direct involvement in 9/11. but report say the saudis have a lot to answer for.
the president can unseal these pages but has failed to do so. >> i don't know whether he's -- reporter: senator bob graham has led the charge to declassify these document. eric: potentially we could see it if it's declassified within 60 days or so? >> it has a lot of political implications. and now there is bipartisan support for releasing these document as well. >> he's going to cause embarrassment to those who should be embarrassed.
the overriding interest should be with transparency and fairness for the victims of 9/11. reporter: there are lawsuits against the saudis, the lawyers for the victims' families want access to these document. the issue of the u.s.-saudi relationship already strained by the u.s.-iran nuclear deal and the u.s. policy toward syria. there is concern releasing these document could strain the relationship. reporter: leland, thanks so much. martha: donald trump's convention manager slamming ted cruz's campaign. >> people are being cut out by back room tactics. martha: he claims cruz is
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>> they might be engage in bluster to cover up their ownself-inflicted wounds. the trump campaign had a slate of 15 delegates they wanted elected and five of those names had errors. he talked about abusing the enthusiasm of grass roots supporters. grass roots supporters across the board need strong guidance from the campaigns on what to do. so far the trump campaign has failed to do that.
march there are they have been trying to get other people to turn out to vote and register to vote. but it smacks of new folks at the table. >> donald trump brags about appointing great people and making great deals. he can't make deals to get delegates, the rules are what they are going in, and he didn't have enough people or the right people telling him what the rules should be going into this. you have ted cruz work can the delegate count. martha: it's sort of rich that donald trump makes this armed he's a businessman and he can manage things and run stuff and run the country in a way that's better than it's been run before. then you have ted cruz who is sort of managing.
he's looking like the better manager at the moment. >> i just want to say, i agree with alan. the system on both sides, the superdelegates and the elites playing the role they do on the democratic and the republican side. and it's preposterous that the people in the state of colorado didn't vote. i think there have been a series of flubs that do or should undermine central the -- centraf trump. martha: they are saying they
are rock you and you and you of your voice in that system. they are force an issue into the public discussion that people want to talk about and people feel is not fair. >> to say gestapo tactics when you have people for donald trump threatening to put out names and phone numbers of people who aren't going to go trump and give their hotel room numbers. >> donald needs to understand he's not michael corleone. i understand he has had shady business deals with people currently in prison. but it is wrong for a
presidential candidate or his henchmen. martha: is it helpful for them to be calling each other mobsters and costa nostra? >> it seems like when trump doesn't get his way he often turns to the rnc and says nice party you have there. it would be a shame to see something happen to it. we have seen that on numerous occasions throughout this election season. but cruz seems to be dancing around it a little bit. i wouldn't be surprised if trump comes in and hits cruz between the eyes. >> he was hedging a little bit.
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i hear fearful voices calling for building walls and distancing people they label as others. martha: facebook ceo mark zuckerberg speaking at the come numbers annual conference taking a jab at donald trump. he wrote online that his remarks were not about any particular person or country and was making a case for a more interconnected world, which is interesting. some are arguing that social media has made miami people more closed off from the world, that they stay at their computers and talk to people face to face. >> maybe you will just unfriend donald trump. >> he's on to something there. eric: citizens against public
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had a chance to pose with a pig here. that's pigfoot, they might pay more attention to this problem. it's not a sexy occupation. members of congress are not going to be getting the sound bite on the evening news. it's laborious detail work that gets little attention on twitter. the irs's public referral program, they could manage texas underpayments. federal agencies could see millions in savings if they were able to pay more of the department of defense's excess property through the disposal process. eligibility of medical suppliers. they could use better information to prevent
ineligible suppliers from enrolling in the program savings billions of dollars. and the workers' compensation fund. the social security administration should take steps to take steps to reduce the disability because many workers also receive federal compensation. martha: we are moments away from the opening bell. here is a quick look at the market. the ims will release its outlook for the global economy. eric: the pentagon working on a plan b for syria. senator learned i graham will be here on whether or not it could work. plus this.
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trump. when you have a husband who his standing by and it's so strong and unflappable, it gives you strength. it didn't affect me in the least. reporter: did people like him? did he have friends in law school? >> one of the thing that attracted me most to ted cruz was all of his friends. when you meet someone and you meet their friend and who they associate with, it deepens your conviction, this is the right person for you. martha: heidi cruz says she was nervous at first when her husband started to run for president, but realized he is too talented to stay out of this debate.
eric: the "walltreet journal" says the u.s. is working to give syrian rebels arms. the humanitarian tragedy til continues. do you think this potential plan will work. >> we allowed the russians and iranians to prop assad up. nobody in the region believes obama has their back. he backed it up and withdrew from iraq. this is more bluster than anything else. we lost the ability to
negotiate. this plan is mostly talk. eric: some would say this kept us out of a war. >> we need to go somewhere else in term of getting evaluations done. syria is a nightmare. 250,000 people killed in syria bother me greatly. the king of yearen dan says,000 trained fighters have been trained in syria. they are coming here and in brussels. they allowed the butcherer of damascus to firmly be in power. this has put the whole world in
chaos. eric: if the u.s. bombed assad's airfields, do you think this could have stopped that? do you think that would have stopped this horrendous situation we have now? >> absolutely. assad was on the road to the entire national security team to train the free syrian army. and he took a pass. all of this said mr. president, leave 10,000 troops behind in iraq. there would be no isil if we did that. he drew a red line again assad. now russia and iran -- assad will be in power, obama is going to go. the next president has a mess on their hands.
eric: one thin they talk about is giving them batteries that run out at certain times so if they get in the hand of terrorists they can't get the paperwork. >> i don't believe there is any plan obama can couple with that can work because nobody in the region trust him. the russians and iranians fear hip. it's going to take a new president in my view with a new strategy to get syria right. and i can tell you this. i may do more if you don't do this. the negotiations in geneva are sad to me because the free syrian rebels don't have much of a negotiating position. john kasich and barack obama sold out the syrian people and this so-called plan b, if you
had a full call commitment by the use the to make sure that would work, but i'm not sure that will ever work with barack obama. >> do you think they show saudi arabia complicity with 9/11. should the american people have the right to know what's in those sealed reports? >> i haven't read them so i can't tell you whether they should be released or not. i just got back from saudi arabia. they are ally. it's not perfect. but they have been an ally that we need. the king of saudi arabia. they are want to go fight isil. they are helping us against iran. we have two common enemies, radical islam on the sunni side and saudi arabia is threatened by both. i'll leave it up to the expert
on whether we should release this information. saudi arabia is an ally to this country. they need to change but we need to improve the relationship also. reporter: radical islamic terrorism threatens us all. >> a viral video causing some buzz on the internet. this is kelly murphy. and that's a bear chasing her. the internet is saying this is fake. but kelly is claiming it's very real. she said i didn't know anything was happening at the time. i think i'll particular to my runs with my friend. a tour operator from the area said the bears are known to be aggressive toward people in the park.
eric: coming up, we have terrifying moments for you caught on camera. turn out a little boy was choking and a woman came to his rescue. martha: a wild ride in the republican convention. we'll talk about the parallels and differences between the two races. these are not prizes to be won, but a duty to be done.
saving the life of a little boy choke on a coin. it's okay. you scared me to death. thank the lord you are okay. eric: thankfully she got the coin out just in time. she says she is happy she was around and was trained in cpr. >> i don't deserve a lot of credit it was god working through me and i got it done. she warned hip not to swallow it again. >> i haven't even started on hillary and my numbers are better right now than they were with ronald reagan with jimmy carter. he had a 30% favorability and
was behind jimmy carter. by the type the elect took place it was a big victory for reagan. that's what happens. martha: he many responding to his poll numbers. and his favorable ratings as well, making comparisons to the 1980 election. ronald reagan trailed for much of the campaign and he wound up with a 10-point victory. this year's republican race drawing comparisons to the '7 campaign and the wildly contests convention playing out in kansas city. reagan nearly took the nomination from president gerald ford. and brad was on the presidential ford committee.
he looked a lot younger then, but you look great, brad. >> 19 years old, 40 year ago. martha: you said you feel like it was such an education to watch a contested convention. a lot of people who don't want this to happen, you say you think it' a good thing. >> it gives people an opportunity to see the process in action. people tune in and pay attention. when there is some spontaneity to the proceedings. this year we'll find that the candidates, the organizations and the media and the delegates have to could some work at this convention. martha: everybody will have to study up and figure out how this process is going to go. we are just looking at ronald reagan on the screen and you say there are some comparisons to be
made between donald trump and ronald reagan. reporter: trump comes into the convention with a delegate lead. and it doesn't mean he will be the nominee necessarily. martha: does the comparison go any further? donald trump -- a lot of people thought ronald reagan was a former movie tar and not to be taken seriously in 1980. >> there are similarities. right now the republican establishment and the media are doing a good job of trying to demonize donald trump. in 1976 people thought ronald reagan was a scary guy. martha: what do you remember about the tactics that were used to try to bring people over? >> well, one difference between this year and '7 is you don't have an incumbent president with
all the resources of the presidency behind him to move delegates. you have a wealthy man who can move delegates. but the major difference between '76 and this year, it's not an ideological split as there was in '76. this year it's a different dynamic at play. martha: you hear donald trump say he thinks the process is rigged. you hear of them buying delegates hotel rooms and dinners. >> i think we have to trust the delegates. they are going to be primarily people who have been in multiple conventions. i'm not a delegate this year, but i have been to five. they tend to be the activist base of the party.
they tend to have a good sense of what they are looking for when they want to win. the convention can be a unified convention depending upon the attitude and tactics of the individual candidates. martha: you have been around watching this process for a long time. how do you see this working out? what do you think the end game is. >> i know speaker ryan thinks the ultimate nominee will be somebody who is already running. i think it's too soon to say that. good to see you, sir. eric: we have new details coming up on that horrible killing of will smith. the suspect, the man on the right charged with murder while we are learning what was found in smith's car at of his death.
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police say they recovered a fully loaded handgun from his suv playing into the defense of the suspect. how many weapons did they recover in this? reporter: new orleans police say they found three. one was on the suspect's person, a .45 caliber police say match casings found at the crime scene. a second fully loaded gun was found inside the suspect's vehicle and a third fully loaded gun inside wilt smith's vehicle. an attorney representing cardell hayes says this corroborates his story. the new orleans saints player was found inside his suv.
>> i need an ambulance, my leg has been shot. reporter: we are expecting the coroner to release the full autopsy report on will smith. eric: do police think this is a road rage incident? >> they are calling it, but they are also looking into claims will smith may have hid the suspect's vehicle minutes before the shooting. take a look at surveillance video from a nearby business. it shows a mercedes that looks like smiths bumping a hummer that looks like the suspect's. less than two blocks away, gunshots. this matches the suspect's story that he called 911 and reported a hit and run prior to the
shooting. he did not attempt to run from police at any point. martha: the battle between ted cruz and donald trump heating up. but was trump in this case outplayed? eric: could the entire race come down to some place thousands of miles away, all the way on the left side of our country, california. don't let dust and allergies get between you and life's beautiful moments. with flonase allergy relief, they wont. when we breathe in allergens, our bodies react by over producing six key inflammatory substances that cause our symptoms. most allergy pills only control one substance. flonase controls six. and six is greater than one.
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a lot going behind the scenes in it part of the race. they're fighting for all-important delegates who could seal the deal for donald trump or unlock the door for the golden convention key in cleveland this summer. welcome, everybody, to brand new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm martha mack. eric: good to be with you, martha. i'm eric shawn in for bill hemmer. the new york state contest is around the corner next week. even if mr. trump happens to shut out senator cruz in new york state, winning all 95 delegates the numbers show he can not possibly win the nomination until they get to california. that is in june. that is where 172 delegates are at stake in the republican primary. 475 on line for the democrats. senator cruz made a prediction last night during a rally in irvine. >> the rules are the rules. didn't i just get outplayed on the ground. >> no, i don't think so. look, first of all, you and i watched ted cruz and i watched him very strongly say well, he has been winning, but i have won
22 states. he has won 10. >> the rules, did you know the rules. >> i know the rules very well. it is stacked against me by the establishment. martha: that was not ted cruz in irvine. that was donald trump last night with anderson cooper of course. it raises a point we are going to talk about in a few minutes. with chris stirewalt, fox news digital politics editor good rolling with the punches. we want to get to california. no matter what happens along the way. there is a good sense what is going on. california is really going to be the ticket. >> well, look, california is usually acts as the seal, the stamp at the end. process and essentially meaningless for the republicans because it is usually over. the process in every cycle prior to this of the modern era was done for the republicans by this point. it was done by tag gone wisconsin. socal fornash, people like me are learning awful lot about california's 53 congressional districts because that is how
the delegates will get divvied up on the republican side and looking to see how it works. we expect on the democratic side for hillary clinton who have very smooth sailing. yes, there are ultraliberal enclaves where the redwoods grow tall and dope is legal. yes, there are places in california where there are a lot of ultraliberal voters. we expect hillary clinton to do real well in california not because after large minority voters but a large number of her demographic of white voters. on democratic side, california is five or six different states smushed into one place and there are places where we expect donald trump to do very well because of the hot rhetoric on mexican immigrants. there are places ted cruz would do well because it is very conservative. interestingly there are places where we expect john kasich to do well because there are no republicans. >> as you say, it is several states bundled up into one and
california is where this race will finally come down to at the end. you have a period wean california, chris, and the convention. there is the six weeks in that spread. there is real wrangling that can happen in that time frame as well, right? >> that is what is going on right now. when we hear things like what mr. trump was talking about with getting outworked on the ground in colorado and this delegate process. we see we see all the time, that vote was in march. why are we still talking about missouri? the reason is that the process has to work its way through and final delegate selection and all this stuff is playing it is way out. we also remember, we heard marco rubio talking to mark levine yesterday, that he has delegates, delegates bound to him. he has something to say. more than 10% of the delegates will come there unbound anyway. there is a lot of hustle for those six week. martha: i want to play a quick sound bite from george will who said something interesting about paul ryan's comment yesterday.
here he is. >> paul ryan didn't just take paul ryan out of the mix today. he took out dozens, scores of people because they have not, by the ryan principle he nun sy eighted they have not entered process. martha: do you agree? >> no. with all due deference to mr. will, of course i disagree. it is because of this. when things get weird, they tend to get really weird. weirdness, political weirdness is a threshold question. it is not that things get kind of weird. it is -- if this convention goes to the fifth or sixth or 20th ballot or who the heck knows, all sorts of possibilities loom large because the thing for republicans right now, they were thinking of paul ryan as their white knight or many republicans were. with will be all this, paul ryan, speaker of the house and he is famous and does p90x, what about thatguy? he was looming sort of like eisenhower once did in the past and others have loomed. now there is nobody.
it could be there for, anybody. martha: fascinating. chris, thank you. always good to see you with references to p90x and other things scattered into the intro of our show. see you later. eric: talk about things getting weird in new york state, the primary less than a week ago, next tuesday. hillary clinton and bernie sanders hit the big apple after spending time upstate. today's new york city push with a brand new poll shows senator sanders continues to trail mrs. clinton by double digits. but guess what? the vermont senator is moving within striking distance. look at numbers from quinnepiac, hillary clinton 53% support with sanders 40%. less than a month ago mrs. clinton led by 30 points. is it tightening up. you've been out there on the campaign trail with mrs. clinton. is it going like this and it is going to continue? reporter: yeah. good news for hillary clinton she is up by actually or 13
points in "quinnepiac poll." was 16 points in "fox news poll" over weekend. in state after state we see hillary clinton close strong. it is double-digit lead, 30 point lead, 12 point lead, who knows where it goes. what i think is most instructive the "quinnepiac poll" here in new york, among african-american voters, hillary clinton 65%, sanders 28%. you see picture of al al sharpton. i will head over there midtown, national action network. she is trying to exploit the advantage she has with african-american voters. it basically helped her run the table. he had no answer for it. if she is president she wants to create a federal office of immigrant affairs. here she is in new york city, pushing that edge she has with african-american and hispanic voters. sanders so far has had no answer. eric: those are two major constituencies. maybe she will make up the comment at inner circle show
that mayor de blasio made. we were stunned. reporter: that was a joke fell stunned. mayor de blasio had to explain it couple of days. it was kind of a racially-charged joke. we have been at press dinners. sometimes taken out of context. here you are, if you can imagine republican politician making a joke like that maybe having to step down. eric: senator sanders here in new york city. what are his plans? reporter: he will be in washington square park in couple hours. big rally planned by nyu. that is his strong hold. you have seen the crowds. in buffalo he had something like 11,000 people. we're talking about, we will see if the numbers match up, 20, 25,000 people in lower manhattan today. interesting, because jeff merkley, senator from oregon today, op-ed from the "new york times" he is theirst democratic senator to endorse bernie sanders over hillary clinton. big news there. although hillary clinton has got this daily news thing. that is big news for her, endorsing clinton over sanders,
saying he is unfit for office. eric: front page, daily news. good to see you on the campaign trail. martha. martha: "washington post" reports claims fbi cracked the phone belonging to theernanadinh the help of hackers. feds reportedly paying one-time fee to the hackers who found a flaw in apple's software. remember they said it was impossible to get into without creating a new way to get into the backdoor. catherine herridge is live in our d.c. bureau today. good morning, catherine. reporter: good morning. "washington post" put new detail how the fbi cracked the san bernanadino iphone. the fbi director acknowledged that they purchased new technology to access the san bernanadino software. >> it is simply not the case that if apple wrote software for the killer's phone, it would inevitably be a catastrophic risk. anymore than we are all at catastrophic risk now that the government has purchased a tool that allows court authorized
access to the phone. reporter: a law enforcement source has told fox news that the technology came from an outside contractor and cyber experts called this flaw the zero day because it is unknown to the user. in question and answer session at kenyon college comey emphasized there would be significant consequences if the data is used in court to prosecute terrorists and the technology only works, he said on the iphone 5c. so it clearly has a limited shelf life, martha. martha: fascinating. as the fbi said if it will share the technology that these hackers allowed them to use with apple? reporter: well the fbi director strongly suggested it was unlikely to happen but if this data is pulled from the phone and used in a court case the fbi would have to reveal it as part of the discovery process which gives the defense the right to know how the data was recovered. >> if we decide not to disclose it to apple, it is still quite perishable and it will disappear if apple changes its software in
some way. it will also disappear if we use it in criminal case and it has to be disclosed. reporter: the white house does have a process to consider whether these flaws should be shared with the manufacturer but it could take some time for this fbi case to be reviewed and the fbi director said recently he expects the manufacturer to immediately close the gap which is just good business practice, martha. martha: they got what they needed for this instance. catherine, thank you. reporter: you're welcome. eric: he says they're stealing his election but did donald trump get plain ol' out played in colorado. >> we had a lot of delegates that were not heard because the republican party was 100% probably controlled by rnc which didn't like this happening because i'm self-funded. eric: front-runner's battle with the rnc is getting nastier and nastier with a string of losses. will he change his campaign strategy? up next we talk to the trump campaign. martha: the new push to unseal missing pages of the 9/11
♪ martha: donald trump defending his ground game after a string of losses to ted cruz. his rivals say trump doesn't know the rules and didn't do the legwork to win over the delegates. the front-runner says it is really a conspiracy against any outsider and him in particular. >> rules are the rules. didn't you just get outplayed on the ground? >> no, i don't think so. first of all you and i watched ted cruz and i watched him very strongly say, well he has been winning but you know i have won 22 states. he has won 10. >> the rules, didn't you know the rules? >> i know the rules very well but i know it is stacked against me by the establishment. martha: katrina pierson is trump campaign national spokeswoman. good to see you this morning. >> good morning, martha. martha: how do you answer that argument? that donald trump who portrays himself as a master businessman, a manager extraordinaire, someone who puts good people in good positions could allow that process to get so far away from
him and then say it is rigged? >> well the process isn't far away from him, martha. mr. trump is talking about exactly what happened in colorado. yes, we have been winning despite some of the rules put in place. we have a national party that changed rules to try to stop a outsider last time. in this case those rules are benefiting donald trump because he is beating the system. with regards to colorado, this isn't even about the rules per se. this is about leaving our delegates off the ballots, losing their credentialing paperwork so they couldn't get in to be voted on to begin with. martha: the reason they lost because of what way rules are in colorado. people in colorado voted on rules in place over two separate processes to create that system. now you can say it is a lousy system. we'll talk to someone from colorado who thinks it's a lousy system but it is what it is and you have to play the game by the rules that are laid on the table, no? >> well, absolutely. this is my point. we could have 1000 paid staff
members on the ground in colorado and it wouldn't have made a difference because the delegate system put in place was like a pyramid scheme. of course you might get a few trump delegates at bottom level, precinct level. you have to work your way up through the pyramid where you have party officials, and by the way, county gop chairman endorsed marco rubio, these are the people who are in place of pushing that process along. you have had gop leaders in indiana using trump supporters as a filter for delegates. >> the -- delegates vote for him. >> of course he did. martha: play the game as it was and he won. >> well of course he did because this is the anti-trump movement. the establishment has joined with ted cruz. you have seen that. they have all come out and endorsed him. the idea is not to support ted cruz. it is to stop donald trump from winning the nomination. this is what you saw take place. that is nothing more. martha: when you look at the way that it's played, right? you look at the way mr. trump presents himself and his business record, why not just say, look, you know what?
we didn't do well in colorado. say every time he loses it is rigged the system is rigged. i think a lot of people see through that. >> i do a lot of people see exactly what is happening, not just on the republican side either. a lot of people are aware that the system in place is rigged against the people, the people who actually vote. there was not a vote in colorado. martha: you take the system, you can try to change it next time essentially. and i do think, that donald trump has gone a long way to pushing these issues out into the public, to getting people talking about them. to saying wait a minute, i thought i went into the primary that my vote was actually going to matter. turns out delegates end up deciding this. i think that is an excellent part of the process that has been brought out, but you have to look at it say we were too late to change the game that time. maybe next time. but all of this -- >> it is not a matter of time. martha: calling people mobsters, pointing fingers at each other. i'm not sure that will work for
ted cruz or donald trump in this argument. >> that is the point mr. trump is making. it is not about time. or who was on ground longest. it is selection of the process delegate system being rigged by the system. you had party activists asked convention in '76. he said these are gop loyal party activists. fixing the system. martha: the process, katrina, the way it works, the primary system is for the party to select a winner. and donald trump said, yes, i want to be my party. >> that's right. martha: i want to be my party's nominee, right? so it is party selection. look back in history, people didn't vote in primaries until fairly recent history because it's a party selection. >> we wonder why they did that. martha: and it is different. i'm saying you guys can say we don't like the way it works and american people shouldn't like it either and great to shed light on it shake it up for next time but it is not going to change in this particular primary season just because, you
know, people don't like the way the rules were. they have been in place. this one was in rule since august in colorado. >> you're right. absolutely right. that is the point. you have to bring awareness to this. mr. there are millions of voters out there did not know this was going to happen, even though we knew the rules, we knew we weren't going to be able to compete in colorado because of delegate system selection process. martha: rules way they are are working fairly well for the trump campaign. put up the numbers. you guys have won 45% of the delegates. >> through elections. martha: 37% of the delegate count. so it is working in mr. trump's favor because he is front-runner. >> well each state is different why we're having this discussion. and yes, when there is a primary, where actual voters get out and vote mr. trump does very well. it is things that happen on the back end particularly in caucus states where you have selection process that custodies enfranchise voter and awards delegates to whomever the party chooses. that is the system we're talking
about today. martha: quick question before i let you go. how has the campaign changed with paul manafort in action. >> that is the reason paul manafort was brought in. because we saw the gop openly talking about stopping donald trump and putting someone else on the ticket, not even senator cruz. he brought in someone who knows intimately how it works to manage the process moving forward and file complaints accordingly. the campaign is going along very well. we're very confident we'll have 1237 before we even get to the convention. we're looking forward to the heading to california. martha: katrina, good to see you, thank you very much. >> thank you, martha. >> billions of dollars of your tax money wasted it is called the "pig book." we'll detail what it is. the slim on the treadmill. we spent money for that -- shrimp. ♪
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martha: we are getting reports of an earthquake in myanmar. 7.1 magnitude is the early report. no word on damage or injuries but as we continue to keep close eye on it, we'll get you more information as it comes in. eric: accusations of wasteful spending and -- not new at all. outlined what is called the "pig book," the annual report from a public interest book how it says government wastes all our money on pork barrel projects. this year it found earmarks up 17%. total cost topping out at $5.1 billion. that happens to be a 20 1% increase from last year. does it ever go down? -- 20 win%. we have citizens against governt
waste. we had last year the fame must shrimp on the treadmill study. this costs over number of a years three million dollars in taxpayer money. this absurdity continues now? >> absolutely. not specifically that project. but there are still earmarks even though congress says there is moratorium they don't have any. yet every single project in the "pig book," all 127 were previously identify as earmarks as members of the congress. they didn't magically appear. someone put them in. we don't know who except in a few cases. we want to know what is going on. eric: they are not supposed to do it. how do they sneak them in. >> they go by their definition. our is a little different. in 2008 and 2010. members of congress earmarks were identified. $40 million for the m-1 abrams tank. have members list. someone put that in fiscal year 2016. we don't know.
eric: you used to put the member's name next to it anymore. >> because they don't claim they exist. a great way to hide what they're doing. we only know $5.9 million from the east-west center from high, senator brian schatz, no relation, admitted it. eric: you mentioned under six million dollars to the east-west center in hawaii. $8 million for aquatic plant study of some sort. 40 million for the m-1 abrams upgrade. you think good idea. pentagon is against it is. what is the east-west wenter. why is that waste of money. >> used to be a north-south center. don't make it up. they privatized. took out federal funding. supposed to build relations between east and west. state department is supposed to do that don't need a special center. get rid of federal funding. eric: what are they doing with those aquatic plants? >> this is aquatic plant control. tens of millions of dollars spent over the years.
used to be associated with names of members back in 2008 to 2010. exact same project. eight million dollars this year. only four million last year. that one is getting worse. eric: are we ever getting rid of these? 30 years ago there was the $7,000 coffeemaker. $640 toilet seat. this is going on for 30 years. are they tightening money up like we have to. >> record amount was $29 billion in 2006. we're certainly not at that level. they should all be gone. permanent ban adopted by congress and cover all things citizens against government waste call earmarks. taxpayers know the stuff when they see it and they're still there. eric: unfortunately i hate to say we'll be talking to you next year, because the "pig book" continues like telephone book. ted, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> getting pretty heated between ted cruz and donald trump. ted cruz telling donald trump to stop the whining. watch this. >> look, this is real simple. donald is a very sore loser. he doesn't handle losing well.
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could have done more in colorado but he didn't do legwork. >> this is grassroots process. this is in effect 100 years. donald trump known the rules since last august. he decided not to show up. elections are won by those that show up. ted cruz showed up. martha: we have the former state chairman of the republican party. ryan, great to have you here today. >> great to be with you this morning. martha: great to have you. we had a lot of back and forth. i spoke to karina pierson of the trump campaign, she clearly felt the rules way they were written denied the public a right to have true voice in colorado. >> that is absolutely false. the rules have been in place in colorado, not just in since last august but we've been using this system and this process going back well beyond 100 years, since 1912 at least. so for donald trump to say the rules were changed or system is rigged is just not true. martha: so how does it work? as she pointed out the county chairman was backing marco rubio
and, everybody had right to back whoever they like but she felt that that sort of slanted the process away from donald trump and that, it became clear to them early on that he couldn't win there. so he basically didn't come to play. >> well, that is his choice but reality this is a grassroots, very bottom-up process, beginning with neighborhood precinct caucuses where tens of thousands of republican voters show up to vote. they vote for delegates to go to county assemblies and later ton to state and congressional district assemblies. in that very representative process, we select our representatives to go to the republican national convention in cleveland. now the process is admittedly hard. it is complicated. it's a bit cumbersome. it requires a good team in place on the ground but guess what. so does the presidency of the united states. it is complicated. it is hard. if you don't bother to figure out the rules, and play by the rules, you're going to lose. martha: but didn't you say recently that you felt like this
system basically undercut transparency? that your vote doesn't matter and your voice doesn't count in this system? >> the system is complicated and i understand the feeling of a lot of voters being on the sidelines because they didn't attend their precinct caucuses but the point is they could have. colorado has used this system for many, many years to be able to select our representatives to go to the national convention. colorado did hold a presidential primary for a few years beginning in 1992 through 2000. the legislature decided to go back to the traditional caucus process. it is that traditional caucus process we followed this year -- martha: but based on what you said to laura ingraham that you felt that was a bad way to do it. you said the very time we should be opening our doors and being open and transparent welcoming people into our party we eventually made a decision to close it off to make it more cumbersome and more difficult. are you changing your tune on that. >> not at all. those two observations are consistent. we can be concerned about perception voters have and
recognize that the process we do have in place in colorado is cumbersome and complicated but it is the process. for donald trump to decry or to complain about the process or about the rules themselves which have not changed, that is demonstration of the weakness -- martha: but sounds like you think you should scrap the system -- i do think, as i said to the trump campaign, one of the things this conversation, this debate and why we spent so much time on it, it forces into the open the way this whole thing works. i think people go to primary and place their vote they think that it is going to really mean something. on democratic side as well. we've seen states where bernie sanders wins the vote and then, she sweeps away superdelegates because they were worked on in the past. do you think that it is time to scrap the system and give people more of a voice? >> i would like to see the system changed. i would like to see us restore to colorado a presidential primary that awards delegates proportionally and, but that still retains the grassroots process of electing who the
delegates are up through the neighborhood and county and district conventions. the colorado legislature has the opportunity to restore the presidential primary but that is a policy decision they made last year in the legislature. i hope it gives everybody the opportunity to revisit this. but here is an important point. every state is different. we live in a republic, not a direct democracy but a republic wherever state has the opportunity to put in rules in place that reflect their state or test different things about the campaign. donald trump is in a position where he can do and win all of the delegates in florida, even though he only gets 45% of the vote. but the colorado caucus and assembly process tests different aspects of candidates appeal. martha: good point. >> and candidates organizational ability. martha: a point to think about as we go through the crazy process. ryan, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. eric: suspect in a deadly campus shooting has been released into the custody of his parents and
it is causing a lot of controversy. 19 steven jones is charged with first-degree murder. he has been claiming self-defense. william la jeunesse is live with more details. hi, william. reporter: families of victims are livid. they wanted jones confined to a cell, not comfort of his home. let me describe the crime. then judge for yourself his release. so the murder or self-defense? it is october, northern arizona university in flagstaff. 1:30 in the morning. three students approach jones. they get in a fight. jones grabs a gun from his car, kills one and wounds another before giving up the firearm when police arrive. he claims self-defense. others call it murder. colin brough with a blood-alcohol level four times the legal limit is killed. three additional victims all had bac levels over legal limit. two also tested positive for pot. so when arrested jones, who had neither alcohol nor marijuana, in his system, did appear to
have been hit in the face. he claims he feared for his life. prosecutors say his use of deadly force was unjustified. judge dan clayton, excuse me, dan slayton set bail at two million dollars but yesterday, said jones did not pose a danger to the public. so under the terms of his release, jones can have no access to alcohol or firearms. he must give up his passport and wear an ankle bracelet, be monitored 24/7, be home by 6:00 p.m. his trial more than a year away, eric. that also likely played into the judge's decision to allow him to go home rather than spend another year in jail. eric: william, thank you. martha: two inmates who escaped from jail in missouri captured in texas. the man escaped sunday night. both of them, they stole a car in arkansas, made their way to texas where they were captured yesterday. look at this video. >> stay right there.
>> need help getting up? something you guys planned or just happened. >> just happened. >> how difficult was it to get this far? >> not very. wasn't very at all. martha: don't get them to see them chat with reporters very often in this situation. it wasn't their first escape. the local sheriff said they broke out the same jail in december but returned on their own a short time later. eric: wow, better keep a lock on those guys. martha: good idea. eric: awaiting decision from president obama that could have significant impact on the middle east and the legacy of 9/11. it is a push to declassify those secret 9/11 documents. those 2pages some think could implicate one of our closest allies in the terrorist attacks. martha: a 72-year-old woman lost in the wilds of arizona for more than a week is found alive thanks to her own ingenuity. >> i waited until sun upthe next morning, hoping a truck, car,
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martha: so an elderly woman and her dog survived for nine days in the arizona wilderness. ann rogers left her home in tucson on march 31st on route to phoenix. her car ran out of gas. the 72-year-old got lost walking to a gas station. rogers's survival mode kicked into gear. they wrote help in sticks and stones on the ground in hopes s spotted from the air. >> i also decided when i found an elk carcass, bleached white, long gone, 12-point rack, pulled that out on the sandy beach. pointed it toward as big sign that said help with exclamation point made out of white stones an sticks. martha: brought that home to
hang on her wall to remember all this the sign worked. eventually led rescuers to her location. she suffered exposure but she is okay. one tough lady. good for her. eric: president obama set to make a decision in the coming days that could affect our alliances in the middle east and very legacy of 9/11. at issue, whether or not to declassify 28 pages of secret documents that some lawmakers suggested show a saudi arabian connection to the 9/11 attacks. bipartisan group of lawmakers want it done for the president's trip to saudi arabia next week but the saudis long denied the accusation. what is in the papers? kt mcfarland joins us. she was deputy secretary of defense in the reagan administration and fox news security analyst. kt, good to see you. should we learn and see what is in these 28 pages and what they contain? >> yes we should and why? it is long-rumored, and people
that know aren't talking rumored long time what the pages contain is the money trail. where did al qaeda, where did the terrorists get their funding? the assumption maybe it came from wealthy families, the royal family of saudi arabia, not necessarily the government of saudi arabia but would have been known to the government. eric: what would that mean? they supported wahhabiism and extreme ideology for years. >> for years we had to go along. we looked the other day. why? we needed their oil. in exchange for that we kind of looked the other way. they supported radical islamist movements throughout the world. guess what? we don't need their oil. we're energy self-sufficient in oil and natural gas. so the dynamic has changed. if the saudis did and continue to support radical islamic movements we ought to call them on it, say if you don't stop doing that, when you guys get in trouble we may not come help you. eric: all these accusations there was network here. the money flowed into the united states to help hijackers a support system and network
zacarias moussaoui said the saudis were behind 9/11 and funded some of this. here is what the saudi arabian embassy issued in february. there is no evidence to support zacarias moussaoui claim. the september 11th attack is most investigated crime in history and findings show no involvement of saudi government and saudi officials as confirmed by the 9/11 commission. no evidence that saudi government as institution or senior officials funded al qaeda. take a look at those last lines. government officials, or senor officials doesn't mean junior officials. doesn't mean those that support extreme radical islamic philosophy that came and killed news there are so many holes in that statement that you could drive a truck through that. what does that mean? saudi royal family is very large and very wealthy.
there are known elements of that family also very wealthy who spent a life -- they sympathize with radical islam. they sympathize with al qaeda and isis. i think if that is the case we should let them out in the air. let's have some sunlight. eric: what will happen if indeed these are revealed and shows a connection? >> what happens gives president obama the excuse he wanted to break with saud sued or at least distance ourselves even further. now obama's solution to that is we'll embrace iran. but if iran is also supporting radical islamists, shiite radical islamist, we're jumping from, why are we doing both? why are we supporting anybody who supports radical islamists. eric: i think he may order these released, i will tell you why. look at "atlantic" magazine, jeffrey goldberg interview. he slammed the saudis. the saudis were infuriated. they never trusted obama, long referred to them as so-called ally of the u.s. he is also questioned also often harshly the role that america's
sunni-arab allies to foment anti-american terrorism. ritated that foreign policy orthodoxy compels him to treat saudi arabia as an ally. i think he is po'd. at riyadh and he is going to release this. >> i think he is looking for excuse to do it. ultimately the bottom line, president obama has switched sides in the middle east. we used to be allied with the sunnis and israel and now we're allied with iran. eric: kt, decision we're told within maybe 60 days certainly. could be embarrassing if it is before the trip but probably after. we'll see what happens. good to see you. thank you. martha? martha: interesting stuff. go to jon scott to find out what is coming up on "happening now" today. hi, jon. >> good morning, martha. donald trump crying foul saying rules are stacked against him with delegates. he could learn a few things from the last gop contested convention in 1976. we'll explain. loaded gun found in a former new orleans saints suv could
complicated legal case. was the shooting actually self-defense? north korea flexing its muscles with new reports that it may launch a mobile ballistic missile that could hit parts of the u.s. all ahead "happening now." martha. martha: looking forward to it. thank you, jon. >> thank you. martha: the truth is out there. stephen hawking wants to find it, by visiting distant galaxies in a new spacecraft the size after postage stamp. the potential for a close encounter coming up next. ♪
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billionaire are teaming up to explore the universe together. the program is called, breakthrough star shot which is pretty cool name. there is cool pictures of it. basically a plan to shoot lasers into space and push tiny devices rigged with cameras all the way to the closest neighboring star system to kind of peek in to see what they're doing up there. joined by former nasa astronaut mike massimino. senior advisor at intrepid museum. senior professor at columbia university. he is a smarty pants and always a good guy. good morning to you. >> thanks for having me. martha: if anybody can figure this out i imagine stephen hawking could. >> he is pretty smart guy. martha: i hope you can figure it out. >> i can try to explain it. pretty exciting. not just him. a group of scientists and entrepreneurs that are trying to use their, this money and know how to do something very cool. martha: what exactly are they trying to do? >> they're trying to send very small devices as you explained
to our neighbor, to our closest, our closest star system which is alpha centaury, traveling at 100 million miles-an-hour. because the devices would be very, very small and propelled by laser they think they can attain that speed. would take them 20 years to get there. once they got there we would have amazing close-up images of the star system. martha: so a laser? >> yes. martha: sent up? >> fired from the earth to help propel these things as long as laser could reach it and on their own. martha: 20 years to get there. so we'll all be -- never mind. >> it is a long-range plan. they're predicting about 20 years is their estimate to develop the technology. that is their hope. this is all just a hope right now and a plan but they think they can get it ready in 20 years and take 20 years to get there. martha: would it be feeding back information all along the way? >> that is a good question. i think they would like to do that. i would think they would do that if they could.
certainly when they get there i think there will be exciting things. martha: neighbors in the star system, what is the name of them? >> alpha centaury is our closest star system. it is closest star that we have, in our galaxy. it has got planets orbiting around it. very excited to go to a place like this. what we can learn from our closest star system. there is lot of really cool things. one usually this type of exploration is done we would think by nasa and governments and so on. we've seen it with flying too people into space. elon musk, richard branson and jeff bezos want to send people. we see it on science side where entrepreneurs think it is cool to do it with own funding and gathering a team to do it on their own. if we figure it out. if we could travel that fast with people. these are really high speeds they want to travel at. hopefully the technology from my perspective, sending people places would have carry oversending people far away much more quickly than we can right now. martha: always good to see you. >> my pleasure. martha: the professor in the
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