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actors. ian flemming first introduced to readers to bond, james bond, 63 years ago today. if news breaks out, we'll break in because breaking news changes everything on fox news channel. "your world" with cavuto starts right now. hillary clinton campaigning in new york today and she had a big backing by the new york daily news which likes her plan to make america great again, her own plan that she says is better than bernie sanders' plan or donald trump's plan or anyone's plan but the big endorsement didn't come as too shocking. what was interesting is now the new york daily news decided that it was hillary and not that other guy. she spends a lot, just not as much as bernie sanders, and it's a trillion dollars worth of spending that the country sorely needs. why go into all the details now when blake berman can do that for us. hey, blake. >> reporter: before the new york daily news endorsed hillary
clinton its editorial board sat down with the democratic front-runner and pressed her among other things about how much some of her plans would actually cost. the daily news specifically asked clinton about the tab for programs involving reigning in college costs and providing for paid family leave along with infrastructure investment. clinton said that would cost about $100 billion a year over ten years. at that point the daily news pointed out the figure totaled up to a trillion dollars. clinton acknowledged that would indeed be the price tag. now, according to the transcript provided by the daily news, clinton called this a heavy lift, but also described it as affordable and said there's a way to pay for it. for example, clinton's website says the college aspect would be paid for by limiting certain tax expenditures for high income taxpayers. the editorial board said it was endorsing clinton for being what it described as more than just a
realist. it wrote of new york democrats and i am quoting here, they have in clinton a super prepared warrior realist. they have in opponent bernie sanders a fant cyst who's at passionate war with reality. by choosing clinton. empire state dems would signal that the party has gotten real about achieving long sought goals. that's a quote. neil? >> all right, we'll sort out the numbers and here to do that right now, democratic strategist extraordinaire. i'm looking at the numbers. to give her credit, she at least comes up with numbers to support her spending, but it's a tri trillion dollars when all is said and done and it hikes taxes on largely the rich. i'm looking and saying i thought the rich was already paying enough. i thought we got back to that top rate of 39.6% that was enough. then when they added the stuff
to pay for obamacare, that was enough, a few more percentage points more. conceivably this could mean 5 or 6% points higher. why can't she be as creative getting spending under control? >> neil, you're talking about -- i'll use as an example this infrastructure spending she wants to create. study after study has spent that for every one dollar you spend on infrastructure you get $1.60 back in gdp and double that over 20 years. you're not operating in a vacuum. >> have we done that before with infrastructure spending? >> we certainly have during the great depression and in our history. over the last 35 years we've cut infrastructure spending in half. >> that's a very good point, but if we cut that in half, whatever spending we were doing when we spent it, then have we seen an exponential jump from the money we spent?
>> if we spent more and again i'm providing studies here, if you spent more the gdp would grow more than you spent. something like for every billion dollars you spend there's 13,000 jobs. the reality is you're creating jobs, the nation's gdp. it goes down to the nation's treasury. i don't think you're looking at this figure in a vacuum. you're looking at the treasury benefit from it. >> i hope you're right but i have my doubts and here's why i have my doubts. when push comes to shove, whether it's hillary clinton or bernie sanders and by the way the republicans aren't better at getting their numbers in line. what i see consistently is they're not creative when it comes to getting less spending out of washington so that all that money isn't being chased away. so why can't they do that? it doesn't surprise me the new york daily news will endorse that and the big papers will endorse that but i don't see a
fraction of the efforti spendin to get the numbers under control. does any democrat worry we're going to lose the rich? >> if you look at richer states like new york and new york city specifically where wall street is where people consistently vote democratic, so maybe the rich know something that you and i may not which is the spending creates greater jobs, lifts up the middle class. >> you're not saying that all the rich in those states are voting democratic? >> i'm not but if you look at the richest states in the country they tend to vote democratic. >> new jersey is a very rich state. i'm from new jersey. i work in new york. but we're seeing an exodus of big jobs and big money and we are in new york as well. having said that -- >> i can debate those numbers with you. >> the battle plan right now, $350 million in income tax that would come largely from a cap in itemized deductions. you do that for most rich people
you bring up their rate at least another five points. a $275 billion tax increase in infrastructure paid largely from investments and business tax reform. that sounds a little sweeping and vague. fairness tax would go higher still when you capture taxes on bigger and more capital gains, ordinary income, raising the death tax. at what point do we get to the point where we say we are chasing money away and the money we expect to tap won't be there? >> this goes to the core democratic message of income inequality. the reality is and this goes back to all the things you've heard democrats talk about for a decade is the rich is a percentage of their income and i know you're going to say a lot of people at the lower end of the spectrum don't pay their income tax but it's a share of the taxes together, property tax, state taxes, the rich disproportionately pay less than
the poor. >> are you saying that the way to close that gap is to force the tax on the rich to force that issue down? >> no. i'm saying that to grow the middle class in this economy you need to grow our economy as a whole which means we have to grow -- >> bernie sanders got this, julie, he got this much right. when he was coming up with a plan he said by taxing the rich, that can't do it all. i want to affect the middle class as well. he was honest about it but he said they're going to get a lot more bang for their buck. but he was honest enough about saying it. none of these plans that i see outlined by hillary clinton lead me to believe that she can do it gouging the rich alone. >> i don't think you can do it by gouging the rich alone. >> she does. >> i don't think she does. >> i told you everything she wants to pay for. >> listen to what i'm saying and maybe i'm not speaking for her. maybe she's saying the same thing which is the infrastructure spending is a great example of that. if you invest a dollar -- this
is like investing in the market. you invest money and you hope to get a larger return. you invest government money here, the gross national product grows as a result of that, more jobs are created as a result of that. >> you think the government is going to be key to lifting our gdp, that it's worked like a charm for sweden, it's worked like a charm for much of europe. they're on fiscal fire? >> did it not work like a charm during the great depression or throughout our history when we invested much more money in infrastructure than we do today? did it not work like a charm when eisenhower -- >> i'm just mentioning an example. if that were the answer, you have europe that has been guaranteeing and giving more and more coming to the tragic realization in one defaulted budget after another you can't continue that route so it's dialing things back and we have a host of problems there. >> come on. >> no, no. those same investors, where are they going right now? by comparison up to now they've been going to the united states. today is a example.
>> because the euro is in crises and the euro is in crises because of that are monetary policy. you're talking apples and oranges. >> what is the difference between greece and italy and portugal and spain? they're spending far more money than they have and the piper is coming home and unlike us they can't print money to get out of it. >> you look at the study that shows the american dream is dead because we don't have the income mobility that we used to have. you know who's got it? canada and denmark. they're living the american dream. what did they do? >> is canada the same country whose currency is sinking against us? we are the tallest dwarf in the world right now. that's fine, we're getting a lot of money as a result of that. but you are going to send us on a course, i think, with this trust in government where that's going to go bye-bye. >> i'm sending us on a course where if we invest money in infrastructure, we invest money in things like paid family leave which allow people to actually
keep their jobs, what that does is grows the gdp. it consistently has historically. >> julie, i love you to death. you're a good person, good soul, have a fine mind but you have to know out of the party you love, spend more government, hope that the debt gets under control, hope that the cycle gets under control. >> when has the economy grown? under clinton and obama or under bush when you cut and cut. >> how did it do under ronald reagan or john kennedy? >> how many times did ronald reagan increase taxes? >> how did it do under fillmore? >> how about buiyou got me. >> i made that one up. thank you very much. very good seeing you. in the meanwhile we have this issue of what the government is doing right now, does waste a lot of money and they've got something to outline this. they put it out every year. let me give you a peek. >> pig foot, so nice to see you again. thank you very much.
that's all right. we'll keep our distance. >> all right, it's that time of year again where they put this out. they look at the pig book, the waste that they have. they've got some beauties in there, earmarks totals $100 billion -- i can go into much more detail here. suffice it to say that you've got money -- we're going to rifle through this. gina loudoun, radio talk show host extraordinaire, claim to fame, one of the earliest of the so-called tea partiers but she's mad now because this goes on. when you add these up and we chatted about this before, it seems like chump change but they're hundreds of billions of dollars and they keep being added on. what do you make of it? >> as a fellow foodie, neil, have to get one thing out of the way, that i do love bacon but this kind of pork is what
taxpayers have been trying to revolt against for so long. i hope everyone saw your last segment because it's the perfect illustration of what is wrong, what the typical american who's well intentioned may completely misunderstand about government, that the government as originally stated should have had three roles. it was pretty much coining money, defense and the interstate commerce. the government has bloated itself so well beyond that, the best we can hope for is transparency and accountability among elected officials and that is exactly what this pig book calls out. >> i always hear from citizens against government waste who put this out and other senators where you had outrageous examples of federal spending, they would say in a multi-trillion dollar budget why are you whining about a few million spent on making sure that shrimp can run on the treadmill. don't make a big deal of it.
that's hardly indicative of what's going on. i love this shrimp by the way. anyway, when you dismiss that, what are you saying? take a chill pill, that's what they're saying, it's not a big deal. move on. >> it's a big deal, neil. you have families really truly struggling to just make ends meet every single month. the thing that gall me about this is while the left contues to talk about how this is chump change and this is no big deal -- by the way it takes place on both sides. i don't want to indict one side because this takes place on both sides and you and i both know it. while they're screaming that this is nothing, at the same time they're talking about the average citizen out there who can't send his kid to college or can't get -- accomplish the american dream when these kinds of things are exactly the problems. if we went back to a streamlined slim line government, we wouldn't have these problems to begin with. since we do, this is the one thing we need to be careful about. if we take the power away from
our elected officials to go ahead and earmark these things, we eradicate our ability to look at exactly who's doing it, to hold these people accountable and to be able to, for example, put a primary against them if we don't like the way they're spending our money, then that responsibility falls in the hands of the bureaucrats. >> don't hold your breath for that, gina. but your points are well taken. it's on both parties and how they're not dealing with it. it's out of control. thank you as always. >> thanks, neil. we got a report that government revenues were at an all-time high for the fiscal year. we still produce more deficits and they're saying right now earnings are fave rabble, the banking sector looks good, we're going to keep buying and that's the way it is. markets are well in the positive territory of almost 3%, nasdaq it's been a tough year for technology. that's down but not as down as
here's the plan. you want a family and a career, but most of the time you feel like you're trying to wrangle a hurricane. the rest of the time, they're asleep. then one day, hr schedules a meeting with you out of the blue. and it's the worst 19 minutes of your career. but you don't sweat it because you and your advisor have prepared for this. and when the best offer means you're moving to the middle of nowhere, the boys say they hate the idea. but you pretend it's not so bad.
and years later at thanksgiving, when one of them says what he's thankful for most, is this house, you realize you didn't plan for any of this you wouldn't have done it any other way. with the right financial partner, progress is possible. why not just apologize and say we shouldn't have done the joke? >> it's satire. the whole show was satire. i was mocking myself. i'm sorry, i think -- look, i take full responsibility. someone else wrote the script but i approved it. i just think sometimes there's a place for satire in this world and that's what this was. >> if you had to do it over again, would you do it? >> i'm pretty comfortable with it. >> whether you make a joke about colored people as was the case in that event and a republican were to say that, any one of the republican candidates, do you think the reaction would be the same? just wondering, former obama
fundraiser says an apology to all new yorkers and americans is due. we did reach out to mayor de blasio's office and they declined to come on. what do you make of this that this was all said in good fun. others have said barack obama as a senator when he was running said much the same, no big deal. you say what? >> look, i think you're absolutely right about the fact if this were rob astorino and donald trump at an event in westchester, the democrats would be outraged. the liberals would be beside themselves. here's a double standard. they criticized trump because a white racist expressed support and he didn't repudiate him in quick enough time. here you have the mayor of america's most diverse city talking about colored people time. then he said the joke's on him. last i checked, he wasn't african-american. and so to make a joke at a group
of people's expense, especially one that is suffering in this country and also one that's responsible for his election and one that is going to be a sti h constituency against him is stupid and insensitive. >> there was an african-american actor there, he laughed. some in the crowd laughed. do you give that any slack or no? >> no. there were people on the other side of the equation, the vast majority of people are very frustrated. especially, i don't think the crowd got it because this is really something that has been pushed bone on african-americans so it takes an african-american to understand that and one who has had a history of facing discrimination before. the reality is that -- or the question is why was it necessary for the mayor to make a joke at the expense of african-americans? >> it was scripted no less so it
sort of reminds me of an anchorman movie where you read what's before you, and i've done that. having said that though, i do wonder whether this is all just much ado about nothing, whether it would be the same if any one of the republican presidential candidates had done the exact same thing or been witness. i know donald trump, like him or not, he's the one who gets branded a racist. there's very little evidence of that in his career, when this gets a complete pass in the mainstream media for hillary clinton. >> and for bill de blasio. we can look at de blasio's actions. three-tenths of one percent of his contract goes to african-americans. african-americans quality of life is diminishing under his leadership. the democrat party under his rule has not found a way to include african-americans in the mean stream. you look at that and you look at this approach, neil, where they criticize the right for being
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. there are 40,000 verizon workers going out on strike today nationwide. just some of the cities involved here, it's been peaceful thus far. they want better pay. they're bye moaning the fact that the chieftons earn tens of millions of dollars and this is a familiar theme. so far no service interruptions. we're in d.c. with the very
latest. >> reporter: only a handful of strikers here outside this d.c. facility in southeast d.c. they have many, many more in silver spring, maryland this morning and this is a far cry from what we saw in brooklyn, new york where there are literally hundreds of strikers including their supporter, presidential candidate bernie sanders. in all, anywhere from 36,000 to 40,000 verizon workers on strike this morning. members of the communication workers of america and the international brotherhood of electrical workers, they include customer service employees, installers and repairmen. their complaints echoed in the statement from the iebw which said, quote, all over new england and the mid-atlantic region verizon has been outsourcing work to other areas or overseas forcing employees to make the impossible choice to quit or spend extra hours away from their families each day commuting to new work locations. here's carolyn greenfield, the
president of communications workers of america. >> we have been bargaining with verizon for ten months with no movement. verizon is refusing to back off their demands that we permit them to close work centers, that we allow them to force our technicians out of town for months at a time, and we do not like their offer to contract out or outsource our jobs overseas. >> reporter: she maintains this is not about money. she says that the unions have already made hundreds of millions of dollars in concessions when it comes to healthcare benefits. as you can imagine, verizon has a very, very different perspective on this. it says that these workers currently have a wage and benefit package that averages $130,000 a year. it says that it has proposed a 6.5% wage increase, quality, affordable healthcare, retirement and a 401(k) that has a company match. but in anticipation, verizon has
been training replacement workers, many online right now. they say they expect no d disruptions to service that and the unions have rejected mediation. mediation came between an earlier strike in 2011. that strike lasted two weeks before it was resolved by mediation. the bottom line here is that the communications industry is fast changing, technology is changing. it is deeply competitive. and if customers are not happy with the service they're getting from verizon they've got plenty of options and that's going to be hurtful to the company, management, and the strikers. back to you. >> doug, thank you very much. no surprise here that bernie sanders didn't waste a nanosecond embracing a lot of those striking workers and saying it is really part of the theme of his campaign. take a listen. >> thank you for what you're doing. we're going to win this thing. >> larry grazer from may flower advisers. what she is saying and what
others are saying when we have walkouts like this is you're getting screwed and the guys running the company are earning a mint. to his point, the top five or six executives have made hundreds of millions of dollars and they're saying share the loot. whatever you think, is that going to hit a nerve? are a lot of people going to feel sympathy and would that help bernie sanders? >> most americans recollectigni challenges all workers are facing in today's company, soaring healthcare costs, a stagnant economy, companies unable to grow and we have lots of global competition. add to that mix, verizon has a dying wireless business and workers are caught in the middle. most people recognize a distinction between those workers and the union leadership and they see the union leadership increasingly as a special interest group, a group that's worried about what's in their best interest, not the employees, the company and not
the company as a whole. just the way they view washington today as a bunch of special interest groups and i think that's the core issue in this election. it's not about unions and workers. it's about what is right for the economy as a whole and what's right for the future. look neil, as a verizon customer, i would tell you would i pay an extra $10 or $15 a month to provide additional benefits to workers that i myself would receive today, most people would say a resounding no because that's not fair in today's economy. >> what about the money making part of the company, the wireless part, if those workers were going on strike it would be far more important to the company, right? >> that's right. look, these are dynamic businesses and they require new skills and the world is evolving very quickly and workers are caught in the middle right now. the unions very politically powerful and perhaps they could use that political power and that might to help create growth policy that would
help everyone and also lift the middle class. perhaps those same unions could help put skills in those workers to train them for telecommunications jobs for the future. >> they have the skills for the job they have now. that includes verizon few yos, their internet service. that's the promising growing part of the business, but for some of the other technologies in the wireless arena, they might not be prepared for that. i wonder though, the 40,000 that are on strike, if all of a sudden people get an idea we don't need you, we're surviving fine with these nonunion workers doing your job. then what? >> it's interesting, neil, i took a poll as i walked out of the office and walked down the street and talked to my neighbors today and most people were unaware that verizon was even on strike today. if they started to see disruption to their service, i think verizon workers are not going to have a lot of sympathy. that's the core issue. how they articulate that message, how we decide what's fair and reasonable and how we
get a buy-in from everyone to benefit the economy as a whole. that's been lost in the messaging from the union leadership. >> larry, thank you. ted cruz is moments away from speaking in erie, pennsylvania. why is he there and not in new york, after this. and played gigs from new york to miami. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor and he prescribed lyrica. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling or blurry vision. common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs, and feet. don't drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don't drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. now i have less diabetic nerve pain. ask your doctor about lyrica.
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we're waiting for a cruz event to kick off in erie, pennsylvania. it's an event last night on donald trump's side that got my next guest's attention because there's something that donald trump said in thanking all the people who were with him that got, well, he got something a little wrong. listen to this. >> we've had so many great endorsements with governor christie and with sarah palin and with everybody. our friend bob vanderplatts from liberty university. >> obviously donald trump meant jerry falwell junior. bob vendorplatts of course is backing ted cruz. when we reached out to bob he had already heard this and wanted to talk to us about it. he's a cruz for president national co-chair. bob, you must be on his mind. >> ray charles always had
georgia on his mind. i guess donald trump has me on his mind. i'll take it as a badge of honor, some sort of accomplishment. as i tweeted back to donald trump, sorry, you're still not getting my endorsement, i'm remaining with ted cruz, hashtag loyal. i see it all as fun and games but it did kind of strike me out of the blue that we would have bob vanderplatts on his mind. >> it is interesting as i look at you guys. you don't bear any immediate resemblance, but obviously you might be on his mind but we all make mistakes. believe me i've made far worse on the air and i don't even have to be reading the prompter. i remember how disappointed he was when he didn't get your backing ahead of the iowa caucuses and then he unleashed a tirade against you. not much outside of mistakenly calling your name. when you did tweet donald trump, did he tweet back and say
anything? >> he didn't tweet back at all. as a matter of fact, when i read it last night and heard about it last night, right away i thought good news/bad news. good news people are seeing me as president of liberty university, liberty university i have great respect for. the bad news, i'm endorsing donald trump when i'm really endorsing ted cruz. >> did people call you and say, hey, what happened? >> i was telling them you ought to look at the academic curriculum we are going to offer up next year. things i always like to do is cast a vision for our university. i just had a lot of fun with the twitter world and people contacting me. >> what about this back and forth between the candidates over whose delegates are legit, the trump folks saying your candidate is stealing delegates, the republican party intervening essentially saying these are the rules, you knew the rules. my own crackpot theory on this, bob, is that trump knew very
well the rules, knew he risked losing delegates and wanted to frame it in a way to say the system is rigged, i'm getting screwed, you're getting screwed. >> anybody who runs for president should know the rules of the game. it's all about getting to 1237 before or at cleveland. ted cruz has run a great campaign. he has stayed on the message of jobs, freedom and security and that message is uniting the delegates around ted cruz. if it doesn't happen before cleveland it will definitely happen at cleveland. >> he might be getting in pennsylvania, some of these other states he's visiting. he seems, your candidate, to have kind of given up on new york. am i reading that right? >> donald trump should win new york. that's his hometown. >> that's a given but you can't risk him winning big, getting all those 95 delegates. >> i leave that campaign
strategy up to jeff and the great team he's got assembled around him. as you know and your listeners know and your viewers know, this is all about a delegate game right now, who can amass the greatest number of delegates going into cleveland and be well positioned out of cleveland. donald trump doesn't like that. the basketball coach in me says when you win you walk off with your head held high. if you lose because you didn't want to play the game right, that resembles you, not the candidate you're running against. >> good seeing you again. >> good to see you. >> these things happen. but we're going to notice when they do. bill clinton on the campaign for his wife. it turns out a lot of people say you know what, maybe it's time for bill to chill or put him out to pasture until after the convention. why do you think that is? i know.
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king of jungle. why don't you want to just ask somebody? if you're a couple, you fight over directions. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. oh ohhhhh it's what you do. ohhhhhh! do you have to do that right in my ear? bill clinton in silver spring, maryland, another primary that's coming up. a lot of folks are getting concerned at least in the hillary clinton campaign that when he's been taking on the likes of black lives matter and then having to dial that back a little bit because some are concerned that it could affect the african-american vote to their estimation, and then there's this talk maybe we roll old bill out after the convention. is that wise? is that a good move? let's talk to democratic strategic marjorie clifton. what do you make of it, marjorie? that is the concern, right, that he is going to hurt his wife with the constituencies she
needs. i just don't see that because even those constituencies can see that these black lives matter crowds overdo it. they get on a day yas as they did with bernie sanders and look like they threatened his safety. there is a point where you say, no, cool it, right. >> i don't think it's just about the black lives matter. i think there's a lot of topics where bill might be prop problematic. he was a cult of personality in his own right but 15 years later the parties have changed and they're much more purist and further left on the left and further right on the right and the majority of the country is in the middle and that's a good spot for clinton. that's where he's useful. >> marjorie, by that definition, post the convention, do they jeopardize the base on the hillary clinton votes. moth ball him until after philadelphia? >> yeah. he's a little more off the cuff.
he might be a great tool in taking on trump and a little more flip and he's got that side to him. he's a little more older than he was before -- >> marjorie, you know, it happens. >> it's true. to all of us. you know what, he's about four years younger than bernie sanders, but you know, there's a hard comparison because we knew -- >> you're right about that. i didn't think about that. he's going to hit 70 i think in june, so yeah. roughly the same age. so he's not the sort of cult figure he was in the party but i think he would be very instrumental in sort of explaining as he's very good at complicated issues to folks in a way that might bring over doubters. but to chill him now, i don't know if that's a good idea. i think in a lot of states with voters that might go bernie sanders' way, he could win over those who are either staying home or not going his way. >> that's true and i think that's where looking at the profile of the state and who the voters are is going to be really, really important.
and the other thing that can be dangerous about bill clinton and can be useful in others is his past track record. "saturday night live" does a great job of sort of parodying him in the background playing the saxophone like i'm still here. >> but they hate his trade deals, right? even his wife has separated herself from big trade deals like nafta and others that economists argue did create a lot of jobs but now the reread is that they didn't and hillary clinton should disavow that and by extension i guess him. but that's a weird position for a party to be in, repudiating the economic policies of what was for the economy a successful period. >> again, this is where being 15 years later is kind of useful because it is a different time and you can speak to current events. but you have to remember hillary clinton was far more progressive than her husband when he was in the white house. >> absolutely. >> it's kind of a rebranding of a couple. while bill clinton was a great
spokesperson for obama, was critical in his win, it's very different when it's your spouse because you carry that brand in a very different way. >> indeed. that's a whole separate issue. marjorie, always good seeing you. >> thank you. i want you to think of something here. it's time to picture this. ted cruz, sugar ray leonard. again, ted cruz, sugar ray leonard. discuss. .
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century 52 years, to be exact. barry goldwater who captured the nomination only to go on to a landslide to beat president lyndon johnson. at least in this case, ted cruz wanting to finish strong like sugar ray leonard, known for finishing each race strongly. would it have the same effect this time? let's ask. barry goldwater's son, the former congressman, barry gold water jr. >> closing the deal in windy california. it didn't help him with the general election and there were a lot of other issues to be fair at times. but it did close the nomination for him. ted cruz is hoping for the same in california. do you think he can do it? >> i think he could. in '64, my father won california but he was still 30 points
short. so he had to make it up from the undecided. the favorite sons and others. by winning california it pretty well put him over the top. >> i thought about that. the establishment, at the time they didn't flip over your dad. mitt romney's dad who were not keen on his conservative stances and driving the party too far right. then they cited an example of when you go too far right. forgetting that maybe your dad '38 ground work for ronald reagan. but having said all of that, do you think there's some wisdom in finishing strong? ted cruz, even with a lot of delegates, finishes with a win in california, he could at least change the sentiment going into cleveland. >> well, ted cruz is a different conservative.
yeah. he'll take with him his culture. his attitude about party politics. i'm not sure what you can say about donald trump. >> by the way, you and your family, those who have been talked to in the press, not keen on trump. and outside the box. you drew a number of distinctions. spell them out. >> well, my father stood for something. so did ronald reagan. he had a belief, a philosophy of limited government, personal responsibility, strong defense, a balanced budget, that sort of thing. that was the definition of the republican party. but here with donald trump, we have yet to find out who he really is. it is hard to say what he will do after cleveland. >> i was thinking of your dad.
one of the ads when he was running, in your heart you know he's right. and people say much the same thing. we like his stance and a lot more people are trump actors but they don't admit it. they just know he's right and they're not saying it publicly. so he is more popular than people think. what do you think? >> well, they were turbulent times. and they're answering the call. in 1964, it was a fight over the party. which way would we go? more to the right or the left? and goldwater took it to the right away from rockefeller, romney, skranlon, even stastny was running. margaret chase smith was in the race. a lot of candidates running in 64 as there were here in the 19, or 2016.
>> just in time for the party to make that shift. 16 years. >> thank you very much. >> okay. good to be with you. barry goldwater jr. worked for sugar ray leonard. we'll see. tired of working for peanuts? well what if i told you that peanuts can work for you? that's right. i'm talking full time delivery of 7 grams of protein and 6 essential nutrients. ever see a peanut take a day off? i don't think so. harness the hardworking power of the peanut. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options.
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>> can you do that? >> we thought that was a risky move. not what ted cruz did. [ yelling ] >> hello. i'm kimberly guilfoyle. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." donald trump is once again at odds with the rnc and the chair appears to be losing his patience. the front-runner thinks they have rigged it. >> the rules are the rules. didn't you just get outplayed on the ground? >> no. i know the rules very well but i know miss stacked against me and the establishment. i fully understand it. we have delegates there. a lot of delegates and they were not heard.