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>> can you do that? >> we thought that was a risky move. not what ted cruz did. [ yelling ] >> hello. i'm kimberly guilfoyle. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." donald trump is once again at odds with the rnc and the chair appears to be losing his patience. the front-runner thinks they have rigged it. >> the rules are the rules. didn't you just get outplayed on the ground? >> no. i know the rules very well but i know miss stacked against me and the establishment. i fully understand it. we have delegates there. a lot of delegates and they were not heard. the republican party out there
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was 100% probably controlled by the rnc which maybe doesn't like this happening because i'm a self-funder. i put up my own money. they don't lyght because it means they don't have any control of me. >> but the party leader reince priebus. that's not the case. saying they have known for a year plus beyond. it's the responsibility of the campaigns to understand it. complaints now? give us all a break. >> what do you mean trump is denied it. he hand won it yet. if he wins it and he is denied, then he has a point. he hasn't won didly squat yet. he has not got 1237. there is nothing to deny yet. and i think that may be a point. there is no entitlement here. just because you're leaving doesn't mean it's yours. >> okay. so obviously a lot of high
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emotions on both sides. some strong statements coming out from the chairman of the rnc and then you saw mr. limbaugh there weighing in on this issue. so now it's our turn. what do you think? >> it's been a long, long four or five hours. i think donald trump is wrong on the issue of individual state, individual contests. he's complaining about louisiana. he shouldn't complain about it because no one took anything away from him. it is just that ted cruz got some things that were there for the taking. maybe the same in colorado and nebraska as well. so in the respect that he didn't know the rules, the system was rigged against him specifically. i'm going to say i don't agree with that at all of i think the system is kind of rigged for both ted cruz and donald trump at the convention level. and i spent a lo time looking into this. i wanted to make sure we lock this down. at the convention, before it starts, the rules committee is comprised of one man and one woman from every state.
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100 there. 50 states. plus one from each of the six territories. 112. but then there's a chairman of the rules committee. it could be anyone. likely reince priebus or paul ryan. point is this. if donald trump gets there without 1237. 1236, let's say. doesn't get in on the first or second vote. that rules chairman who is not a delegate can say let's take another look at the rules and push for another rule. maybe changing the rule to bring in more people by lowering the threshold of the eight-state majority that they need right now. they may change to it five states or no states. maybe no one. and then it would open up to more and more people. the pushback is, the delegates that are going for the rules committee at the convention are trump and cruz people. not necessarily. they may have flipped. they could be state level rnc
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operatives. so a lot of questions. >> what's your bottom line? >> my bottom line is i think they can clear this up. the rnc can clear it up saying the rules that stand now will not be changed. >> that would be changing the rules. >> you can't. i don't like the idea that anybody is stealing anything. i think politics is difficult enough without changing the rules at the last minute. and what you're suggesting is they change the rules in a way that would benefit front-runner. >> no. the rule in place. >> so keep the rules including the prools the rules committee gets together and they decide what is in the best interests of the republican party. >> you're talking in a circle. keep the rule that deems every rule temporary? that's ridiculous. >> in essence what we have. >> dana? >> i want to know everything that is highlighted on your
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payment. >> did i some work. i'm back and raring to go. donald rumsfeld was famous for saying, it is not his saying. he was talking about readyness and preparedness. he said you go to war with the army that you have, the military that you have, not necessarily what you want. i think with whatever candidate is running. you run with the election process that exists. not necessarily the one that you wanted. a lot of party people that are like stalwarts. they have the pin, the hat, they go to the committee meeting they are in the rnc their whole lives and they're probably the only ones who pay attention to it. except every four years, oh, wait, we want to get involve in the process. you have to run 50 or 56 different campaigns all at once. and maybe even more. you have the general election
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strategy. you have a primary strategy for the early states. and then as you're seeing with this reason development, the delegate push. the other thing the republicans have that the democrats don't. the democrats had the super delegate process that we've been talking about. the republicans changed that a few years ago to the winner take all proportional thing to try on winnow down the field. that was successful. even though democrats only started with four democrats. now they're down to two. we had 17. now we're down to three. so that process works. each state has their rights to come up with a process. and when the rules were done last june, april, i think it was earlier than that, nobody knew who was got go run. you could have guess that had jeb bush would run. scott walker, rubio, cruz. i don't think anyone would say they knew trump would run so that's why they did these rules. i think he's right with that. try to win.
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he just hired rick wily, the campaign manager for scott walker. he is an experienced hand with very good connections to the rnc. probably a good hire for him. >> they might say it might not be the best move. if you're to run 56 different campaigns all at once. then yeah, having him is smart. >> wasn't he just with the cruz campaign? >> no. >> the things you learn with "the five." >> they pretty much complained everything. i think cruz was my least favorite which makes it hard to compliment. the fact that he hit great strategy and he worked his but
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the off. what cruz did was he exposed a complacency that trump had that was based on, i think the free media. i think he was like a junky who relied on the media as central advantage. they were his subsidy. when you're on welfare you're less likely to go to work. i think that's what happened. if somebody was there, you have to look at this stuff. i think he stole his lunch. >> now you have to do that. trying to do everything with a small group. run all these campaigns at once. >> i think he has a narrative that's becoming a narrative.
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i think it was two or three weeks ago when donald trump went to washington, d.c. and he had a meeting with lots of influential people. reportedly in that meeting donald trump got frustrated with the staff and said you need to get on the stick. make sure you're doing it properly. >> nobody confirmed that. i don't even think the trump campaign commented on it. this happened and then the blame game starts. instead of being the leader that says, okay, we need to do better. i'm going to do better. the narrative is, he blames people and that's not necessarily what people are for. >> so let me undercut the whole narrative. >> okay. then we have to go. >> trump has 45% of the delegates. but he has only 37% of the votes of the republican party. oh, my goodness. this rigged system benefiting donald trump? amazing! in fact ted cruz is winning
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right now because he is getting people like lindsey graham, mitch mcconnell who don't even like him. they don't like ted cruz. yeah, well, ted cruz is saying that donald trump's people are threatening republican state people right now and he said that he thinks he's michael corleone and there is violence. trump is opening himself tom line of attack from cruz doesn't help donald trump. >> first of all, that you know ted cruz has more delegates than he has the share of the votes. you know why that happens. the winner take all status. if you just beat someone by a vote, you can take a lot of it. >> that was trump's idea. >> according to the rules. if you're going to say, i don't like the rule. these rules are bad. >> i think he is trying to say that the state rules are rigged against him.
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they're not. that's not the fight though. the fight, the at the rnc. that's the fight everyone should have. >> you mean at the convention. >> yeah. >> you have a rules committee member today on tv saying 1,100 delegates, donald trump will be -- >> by the way, i would agree with that. do you know why? if he gets close, there would be a revolt. secondly, he is going to put, say that he has 1101 delegates. they're going to still fight. >> you know what? he can win enough people through persuasion. what was the famous one that ronald reagan, he said, come. on i'm going to get john wayne and jilly stewart to talk to you. >> we didn't have time but charles krauthammer said the person been if itting from all of that this? >> i have an idea for opening a gym in d.c. and calling it house
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they're getting the band back together. i speak of the solid diaper called occupy wall street. i hope they play the old hit. ♪ ♪ get your freedom on >> media darlings infested
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american parks five years ago handing romantic imageory like that. it was a movement in more ways than one turned rank. having no solution for what they wish, sliding into an orgie of trash. trying to find one racist sign at a teem somehow missed all. this partial like this became a leftist microcosm. with facts they can only ruin. see de blasio's new york or chicago. perfect for sanders who enjoyed decades, untethered to reality or history both compared america to utopia. one that quickly becomes venezuela without hope or toilet payment. neither makes anything so they don't get the wealth by government but trade by those
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who create i. when they rage against profit it is like a cave man shaking his fist at the rage. you need rain. you media treats sanders the same way it treated owf. no idea how to fight and giving hillary a run for her life. >> this is exactly what bernie sanders needs. he got everything he needed. trying to do well in new york. it ends up with ows, also gets the transit union workers to endorse him. then the third thing. verizon employed, 37,000 verizon employees walk off the job today. bernie sanders very astutely, smartly showed up at that pickett place and became their hero. it is falling into his lap. if you really want to know what's going on, take a look. they had isis, just pick that
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up. that's what really matters. not these guys in the park. >> but terror is not his wheel house. his wheel house is basically, occupy wall street. >> if you're considering voting for him. do yourself a favor and read the transcript of the interview with the new york daily news. when it comes to those important issues of fighting terror, certainly isis knows how to get headlines. they're very good at media manipulation. he also got the endorsement of senator barkley from oregon which was a big get for him. in addition here, i don't know the exact number but hillary clinton is way up over bernie in the general election vote by like 52-45. something like that. but bernie sanders is at 45% approval with under 25. so if these people registered to vote and if he can mobilize them to vote on tuesday, then he might have the ability to pull off the upset in new york state
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and that would be huge. >> maybe houma because of anthony weener and then we have something in common with isis. sanders is their logical candidate. he likes ows and thinks america is the problem which is why he has a blind eye to terror. >> i'm surprised the twisted union and marriage between them didn't happen sooner. this is a no brainer. they want to tag on to the bern coat tails. they became a useless, the rapes happening, crimes against women but they're concerned about guys working 9:00 to 5:00 on wall street. it is unbelievable. and now they're jealous of the other groups like black lives matters. >> now hillary is showing up at verizon. >> outthe store though. >> she's trying to stake out a
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new plan. >> they're having a debate tomorrow, right? so bernie has to shift his rally from yesterday. so there's no scrutiny of bernie sanders by the press. i think the new york daily news which today endorsed hillary is quite critical of hillary. which is interesting. they're the union's working man paper. and they're saying, he is unprepared. >> they couldn't endorse him after what happened with the interview and the transcript. >> we're approaching may day. and in d.c., you have a group that is protesting in front of the capital. democracy, now we get occupy wall street as you say revving up the band and bernie is riding high. we can put him down all want. the fact is bernie is doing pretty good. >> they're quite serious. they plan to challenge hillary clinton on the floor of that convention. it will be a summer.
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>> pretty interesting to look through it. let's do another live show tomorrow night 11:00 to 12:00. >> that's a great idea. >> okay. >> call the producers. ahead, hillary clinton apologizes for joking about black people with new york city's mayor. just kidding. she is putting all the blame on bill de blasio.
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it was a joke a lot of people just didn't find funny. >> sorry, hillary. i was running on cp time. >> i don't like jokes like that, governor. >> cautious politician time. >> i'm not sure what hillary clinton and new york mayor were thinking when they did that about colored people time.
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now hillary is deflecting it, passing the blame to the mayor. she tells cosmopolitan.com it was mayor de blasio's skit. he has addressed it and i will defer to him because it is something that he has already talked about. today she gave a racially charged speech of her own before al sharpton's group. >> white americans need to do a much better job of listening when african-americans talk about the seen and unseen barriers you fate every day. we need to recognize our privilege and practice humility. rather than assume our experiences are everyone else's experiences. >> i believe that democrats have a special obligation. we cannot take you or your vote for granted. we can't just show up at
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election time and say the right things and think at's enough. >> this is really interesting speech. in fact, she spoke to the ongoing controversy about her husband's comments to black lives matter when he said nrgs his opinion, the 94 crime bill is a good bill. today in the new york times you have people saying, that's a miscalculation. it was not really a complete support in the black community for that crime bill even though crime was running rampant in the black community. now she says, we need to reform the criminal justice system in order to end mass incarceration so that's the way she seem to be responding to this potential liability with the black vote that is so essential to her successful. >> her biggest accomplishment this year could be that she would be able to do what no other republican would be able to do until now. to unify the republican party. i final her comment today the phone of it to be the one that motivates me to say, i can't.
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part of it is that you kbl imagine having to deal with it for eight years. let's go back to blaming that joke on mayor de blasio. if the player i have the is that you always blame somebody else. she was obviously a participant in it. she learned her lines and she tries to throw mayor under the bus for it? i think that's despicable. >> i defer all responsibility for gutfeld's jokes. >> that's smart. >> she threw all white people tunneled bus. she does not speak for all white people. that would speak for all salamande salamanders. she has no idea what goods on in the real world. every time i'm about to defend her. yes, i am so convinced if trump gets the nomination, he can beat her. when you hear that voice, there is no way in a debate that she will make it.
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ist just makes my head explode. she should remind the present day black leaders there, it was the black leaders of yesteryear that wanted the violent crime prevention act. >> so bill clinton says, well, maybe i should have listened more instead of snapping at these young people with black lives matter. telling them he was stopping crime in the black community. it was necessary at the time. they're trying to change the narrative. when you hear these caustic comments, so broad and so grotesque. to make that kind of assumption and to say that so she knows and will sit there and castigate all white people and what they have in their hearts and what they're thinking and feeling. it is offensive. why would you want someone that would make that kind of statement. assuming bias and racism on your
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part. to represent you. >> i think i'm hearing something different. i didn't think she was speaking f all white people. >> the line that she said. we need to recognize our white privilege. >> exactly what she was saying. i agree. she doesn't speak for me. she shouldn't speak for all white people. that was pandering at its finest. right to the black vote. she knows it. she needs it. i don't know why she needs to do it. what she really should do is recognize that maybe the 94 crime bill wasn't as good as they all thought it was going to be. saying we thought it was at the time. we don't think it is. we need the reform. >> no, no. she is not pushing back from it. do you know who pushed back? there is a black congressman today. he said he voted in favor of the 94 crime bill. he was there 22 years ago.
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he said i made a mistake. it was the worst vote i ever made. and i recognize i would not vote for it again. she can do the same thing. >> that's pandering. it was the right vote at that time. and hillary clinton should not be apologizing for it. >> he can say that. >> i think he's pandering to black lives matter. >> the good news is hillary there did tell the black families that she is down the script writer. >> all right. >> we've got to go. what is the best way to defeat isis once and for all? rock star bono has the idea. send in the clowns. i'm not joking. that's coming up.
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before we get to this, president obama right now is at a national security meeting. when he does come out, we will take that. so in the meantime, time for -- the fastest seven minutes on television. seven minutes, one, the host. >> and a partridge in a pear tree. >> some vice on how we can win the war against isis with humor. >> don't laugh but i think comedy should be deployed. because if you look at national socialism and isil, this is the same thing. we've seen it before. very vain. you speak violence, you speak their language. but you laugh at them when they're two stepping down the street and it takes away their
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power. so i'm suggesting that the senate send in amy schumer and chris rock. >> is he kidding? >> you know what's funny, he is making a point that is sarcasm and rid you'll are very important elements in humiliating something evil. however, a gun and a missile is probably better when it comes to isis. you have to remember he is a fantastic defender of free market capitalism. i used to think pop culture could beat radical islam. until now we see guys immersed in pop culture joining isis. so they do know who amy schumer is and chris rock and they're still going to syria. my feeling is that any kind of ideology in which a goal trumps reason, you have to go after them.
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>> instead of volunteering, there are other ways to kill their funny bone. big bono fans, i'm not sure. i hike his free market principles. wonderful. >> i think he was joking about sending them. i think he was the point about ridicule. i think when i was part of the broadcasting board of governors, we supported this group that made fun. like a daily show version that made fun of the iranian government. and to see something would fight back. but i think this loses the fact bono had a very long op ed in the new york times yesterday. a very thoughtful piece and how it is destroying it. the only thing he didn't say is that there has to be some sort
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of solution at the source that always gets missed. in a lot of these middle east autocracies, they can't stand it when they come out with a jon stewart type character who starts mocking all the princes and the corruption in the system. i think it is more effective than anything. and i think the reason you can't just it, it is in africa. you have people who are now among the refugees in europe. it is over. you have to fight it. and i say humor is a very effective tool. >> let's just say it is not a wise decision and al baghdadi and fat jokes. he sang about it in his most famous song, everything i do. ♪ everything i do
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♪ i do it for you >> despite everything brian adams does is only for certain people. in mississippi, he said i find it incomprehensible that lgbt citizens are being discriminated against in the state of mississippi. i cannot in good conscience perform in a state where certain people are being denied their civil rights due to their sexual orientation. therefore i'm canceling my 14 april show at the mississippi coast coliseum. using my voice i stand in solidarity with all my lgbt friends. did he just perform in egypt. >> it is his right, his prerogative to do so and people decide if they want to support him. >> what do you think? >> he is a canadian. not an american. so i think that weakens my
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argument. i was going to say if you're an american you have more feeling about the rights and protecting rights in american society. but he is a canadian. >> where they go after free speech. >> so i don't know. i feel like i'd better be quiet. >> we're in a quaunldory. >> he should be boy cotting canada for going after people who stay wrong words about islam. can we enact this law in new york so bryan adams will not play here? this happened with the national scout jamboree in 2013. there are bands that play there who then, who boycotted the boy scout jamboree because of the position on gay right but played in dubai at the international jazz festival. if you're gay, it is a crime. >> final thoughts? >> economic pressure on these governments, the state governments facing this right now. mississippi is one, north carolina, another, georgia
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recently as well. corporations are putting a lot of pressure on the governors but they doent national business. i think that's a pretty effective argument to make. bryan adams, i loved that song when i was younger. i can't stand it now. >> you're first on this one. and finally zucker punched facebook founder mark zuckerberg taking a shot at donald trump. >> as i travel around the world, i'm starting to see people and nations turning inward. against this idea about a connected world and a global community. i hear fearful voices calling for building walls. it takes courage to choose hope. instead of building walls, we can help people build bridges. and instead of dividing people, we can help bring people together. >> trump's campaign punching right back.
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his spokesperson said she'll take him seriously when he gives up his private security and moves into a border down. zuckerberg needs a big global foot print for facebook to continue to be profitable. >> he is making a business decision. but we know likes to dabble in politics. he has gotten involved in several issues. one being immigration. another education. if he was trying to be subtle, he is about as subtle as a flying axe head. >> i think he is right when he says that he sees an inclination for people to turn inward. to close down. to not talk. anti-immigrant fervor spreading globally. i think he is speaking a very accurate message. i salute him. >> these people who are anti-guns have security. >> i thought it was good.
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>> if you're on facebook, isn't there something, you have to sign up? so a bit hypocritical here. all the politics he engages in are aimed at increasing his profile. i think after the movie social network made him look so bad, he's been trying to make himself look so good. so i think he cherry picks these issues to build up his profile. >> we'll leave it there. if you have something to apologize for, we have the perfect way to say you're sorry. i'm sorry. that's next.
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here are six tips you can follow. this is scientifically proven. express regret, explain what went wrong, declare, repen, offer of repair, request for forgiveness. this is too. for me. these are not new times but now they're scientifically proven. >> people say how do you say sorry? what's the right way to phrase it? i think if you can hit three of those hard. >> not all six. >> well, wait. stand by. >> you can't wait. >> research, what they said was the root of this is, we all need positive self-identity. we all therefore justify bad behavior. >> you actually read this. >> yeah. who would do research. say you're sorry. take responsibility. move on. but they went -- what is the root of this?
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it. everybody justifies bad behavior. >> you're shaking your head. >> for one thing, let's start with the segment, men never apologize to men. if you screwed up, almost said something else. you just go, whatever. i don't care. no one apologizes. the entire industry of flowers and chault and jewelry is based on male to female apology. it is like going to the gym i do it at least three times a week. apologies are design to sell flowers. >> sometimes your apologies get expensive. >> is there anything would you like to apologize for now? >> i'm out of apologies. >> that theory of men apologizing to women might be why people were so frustrated with obama early in the administration. >> maybe it would go something like this. i'm sorry, america, for promising to fundamentally change you. it is my fault.
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i won't let it happen again. i'll try to never let this happen and i promise to retire in a few months. will must hit me? >> and sometimes apologies aren't enough. >> one more thing. up next.
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that was a close one, greg. time for one more thing. >> i love this one. i'm a baseball nut. so 91-year-old george h.w. bush threw out the first pitch yesterday at the houston astros game. the 41st president, a lefty, threw the starting pitcher. and you have to remember that last year, even with a broken vertebrae in his neck, the former president was able to throw out the first pitch before a playoff game of his beloved astros against the kansas city royals. way to go, mr. president. >> nice job, juan. two quick updates. i had a chance read the ron fournier's book. it is called love that boy. about his very special relationship with his son and his entire family. and i did a q and a with him that ran on foxnews.com. we'll put it on our facebook page. i encourage all parents with kids to read it.
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i don't have kids. i was the first for autonomous. and i think we have a little sound bite. >> politics is interesting and it's fun and it's important but it is not who we are as people. i keep reminding myself. politics is what i do. it is not who i am. >> that was something i learned from president bush. >> very nice. and good luck to him with that new podcast. >> i have to say thank you. i had the most amazing time. i was lucky to be invited to speak at cornell university. they could not have been nisser. faculty, staff, the students, and the phenomenal young republicans. i was able to talk with them. >> where are you? >> i'm in the red dress. there you go. i would like the on thank the foundation for sponsoring it and the park family. that is roy park right there and
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his wife. this is the reaction after my speech. i guess dave feldman liked it. it went over well. >> looking good and we were trying to get there in the rain and getting soaked on. then almost threw up on the plane. on the way back we got an upgrade. thank you so much for doing that and the students. you guys are phenomenal. had the best time. check me at greta tonight. i'll be with her at 7:30 talking campaign politics. >> thanks. so i want to bring you cool shows that i've been watching. stumbled upon vinyl, a great show about '70s rock 'n' roll. it has been fantastic.
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face your fears. face your fears. >> what you're trying to say is you've got to face your fears. >> loved it. >> check it out. >> he's phenomenal. i can't get enough of that guy. >> quickly. >> do you know the one thing that drives me crazy when you're at a resort or a hotel pool? when people use the lounges but they don't put down a towel. like these two clowns. i go to get my rest and they're lying there. clearly they've been out all night partying. and they're not even putting a towel there. i believe that is jeremy right there and amy. >> i thought it was alec baldwin. >> no.
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>> oh, my god. all right. another good one. set your dvrs. that's it for us. this is a fox news alert in washington. russian war planes are testing u.s. patience in a not so peaceful way in the baltic. and experts looking at recent actions say vladimir putin is showing how little he almosts for fears the u.s. and president obama. this is american and russian diplomats participating in syrian peace talks. in geneva. national security correspondent jennifer griffin tells us what happened and the reagency from the penn. >> this is what it looks and feel like to have a russian jet because u.s. navy

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