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tomorrow night on the program we have herman cain and also more from stirewalt down in hollywood, florida, our specialing roving correspondent getting you the details. we'll see how i i i i is we told you about. see you tomorrow at 9:00. i'm megyn kelly. welcome to "hannity." tonight, the 2016 race for the white house enters a new phase after front-runners donald trump and hillary clinton scored huge victories in their home state of new york and standing by tonight at the "hannity" big board with more information, "fox and friends" heather. >> a very good night for donald trump in the empire state. 95 important delegates at stake. trump added nearly all of them to his war chest. as he presses ahead to try to reach that magic number of 1,237 needed to secure that nomination. trump happy with the results from last night, of course, but he says there is still work to be done and was back on the campaign trail earlier tonight. take a look here.
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>> look, hey, folks, to a large extent we have to build the military, we have to do so many different things. we'll go over them. we're going to build our military so strong, so powerful, nobody is going to mess with us. right? nobody. now, it's a very important thing, we have to go out, we have to win, we have to win to make our country great again. we're going to break our country great again. going to make our country great again. yeah, okay, okay. we'll build the wall, but who's going to pay for the wall? who? >> mexico! >> absolutely rights you got it right, folks. >> as for trump's top rival, senator ted cruz had a tough time in new york making his road to the nomination harder. he's not backing down in his battle with donald trump.
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earlier today senator cruz predicted there will be a contested convention in cleveland. take a look at this. >> what is clear today is we're headed to a contested convention. nobody is able to reach 1,237. i'm not going to reach 1,237. and donald trump is not going to reach 1,237. >> there you go. on the democrat side hillary clinton easily winning her home state and her campaign saying senator bernie sanders mathematically has no chance to defeat her for the nomination. sean, tuesday the candidates of both parties facing off in connecticut, delaware, maryland, pennsylvania rhode island. a combined 118 delegates on the line for the republicans. 384 delegates in play for the democrats. so we will be keeping a close eye on those races as you know. sean? >> coming down to the wire. thanks, heather. >> certainly, thanks. >> joining us now the author of "the greatest comeback" patrick j. buchanan with us. how are you? >> doing all right, sean. >> you have a column, the headline, not sure?
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you wrote the headline, "is the gop risking suicide?" you say donald trump brought out the largest crowds in the history of primaries. he's won the most victories, the most delegates, the most votes. he's poised to sweep three of the five largest states in the country, new york, pennsylvania, california. if he does, and the nomination is taken away from him, the republican party will be seen by the american people as -- >> chinese tong. >> explain. >> as i mentioned, donald trump has got millions and millions more votes than any other republican candidate. he's won all these primaries. his victories have been massive. his crowds have been enormous. he see him almost every week, you know, winning the race and sometimes he maybe loses one or two. sean, the things perceived as real are real in their consequences. the american people are looking at this and they say, you know, what we like donald trump or not, the guy went out and has won this thing. if by poaching and pilpering
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delegates here and there, if cruz and kasich can hold him off then then they take it, the award will go to the guy lying on the canvas. >> what do you say to the argument, everyone knew the rules going in ahead of time, donald trump should have competed better in colorado, et cetera, what's your answer? >> no doubt about it, ted cruz knows the rules better than donald trump. ted cruz has a better ground game than donald trump. and ted cruz is not doing anything criminal in pilfering delegates and telling them to hold out and all the rest of it. ha i what i'm saying is the american people have perceived an extremely exciting, interested con test and the reality is that donald trump won it. and everybody knows it. look at that tv last night, sean. are people going to turn around and say now they're going to give it to the guy who was runner-up by 300 delegates? why? >> all right. james baker had an interesting
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line. he said, try and acquire as many delegates as possible. protect them and steal as many as you possibly can. and i guess that's the way the system is designed to work. let me go back because we're now at the point mathematically that there's only one candidate that can get to 1,27 without a contested convention. that's donald trump. here's ted cruz when john kasich became -- when he got to the point mathematically he couldn't get to 1,237. here's what he said. >> john kasich is a good man. he's an honorable man. but he has no path to the nomination. it's mathematically impossible for john kasich to become the republican nominee. he needs more than 100% of the remaining delegates. and it's worth remembering, kasich went 0 for 27, lost 27 states in a row, then he won his home state. you can't lose every state and expect to be the nominee. right now, kasich's role is really being a spoiler. >> does that come back to hurt
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ted cruz now that mathematically he can't get to 1,237 until he goes to a contested convention? >> sure, it does. sure, it does. he can't win the nomination and get the delegates now on the first ballot. and donald trump still can, so his campaign is all about holding off and playing dog in the manger and taking delegates away to deny trump the victory he has won over cruz, over kasich, over 15 other republicans, deny it to him and hope working in the back rooms they can get delegates who don't like trump to break from him, faithless delegates and win the nomination that way. sean, we've been at a political era since jack kennedy swept the democratic primaries, nixon swept the republican primaries in '68, mcgovern had a great campaign and took the democratic -- the idea that we're going to backroom politics like the 19th century and confer the nomination on somebody who is a clear loser, it's not going
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to go with the american people. it looks like it's a contradiction of democracy. >> what about -- >> and it is. >> what about comments, john boehner, for example, oh, anybody can be nominated on the convention floor, or the comments yesterday of mitch mcconnell or the comments of mitt romney or the comments of karl rove about a fresh face. clearly there seems to be a strategy emerging behind closed doors about the white knight candidate that's going to come in, somebody who didn't even run in this primary, which would render everybody's vote, everybody's caucus time, irrelevant and they would be s disenfranchi disenfranchised. >> rove talks about a fresh face. we have watched this process for a full year almost. we watched it every week. it has been terrific. we've seen millions and millions of people come out. and the republican party, rove and all the guys on capitol hill, the hated establishment are going to get up and tell us, hey, folks, that all was just
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advisory. we're going to decide on the nominee when we get to the convention in the backrooms and who we think will best represent this small party of ours. i think, again, sean, the republican party in the reagan era was america's party. that would be the end of america's party. all the hope to become that again. >> there's a contentious battle especially on social media, if you're a cruz supporter? you're a trump supporter, you can read it. it's intense. here's the question. i believe if the party doesn't unite behind the winner, and that means all of the 17 that originally began here, and the rest of the party, and the establishment, and i think some establishment might want to see hillary win so they can say to the voters, oh, see, we told you so. you should have gone with our establishment candidate. but the question is, do you see them uniting in the end knowing that if they don't, hillary clinton is the next president? >> i think -- i think any republican who, major figure in the republican party, who walks
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away if trump is the nominee and say, i'm not endorsing him and i really don't care if he loses, is going to be just like those folks in '64, rockefeller and romney and scranton and all the rest and after that, they were ancient history, sean. richard nixon and ronald reagan went all out for goldwater. 50 points behind, nixon traveled to more states i think than goldwater did. they fought for the party. when the party went down to defeat, they were right there standing with their guy. the future belonged to them because of that and it didn't belong to the guys who walked away and went over the hill. >> all right. pat buchanan, always great to have you. thank you. >> good talking to you, sean. senator ted cruz was a guest on my radio show yesterday. it got a little heated. he got defensive when i asked him about the delegate process. we're going to play that interview. and then later tonight -- >> we have several ways to get to 1,237 by early june.
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>> nobody is able to reach 1,237. >> donald trump's convention manager says that his candidate will win the nomination on the first ballot in cleveland, but cruz says otherwise. our delegate experts break down the numbers. plus tonight -- >> what's the one word you would use to describe hillary clinton? >> treacherous. >> and a "hannity" exclusive. you're going to love this. we sent david webb to ask bernie sanders supporters to describe hillary clinton in one word. their answers are devastating for the democratic front-runner. that and more tonight on "hannity."
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michigan state attorney general. two of the three charged worked for state and one for the city. after the city started to take water from a polluted river to save money. the death toll rising following last weekend's powerful earthquake in ecuador. the country's president saying at least 570 people died. more than 150 missing. that number could rise. >> eight deaths confirmed in the houston area following days of severe flooding comes as the national weather service issues a warner for two flood control dams in texas. heavy rain caused both of them to reach record-high water levels. now back to "hannity." $4.4 billion. i'm jackie ibanez. now back to "hannity." welcome back to "hannity." now yesterday i had 2016 presidential candidate senator ted cruz on my radio program and i asked him about the delegate
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process. now since cruz says we're headed to a contested convention in cleveland, i think it's an important question, things got a little heated when i asked him about it. here's part of that interview. >> i am telling y ining you tha are telling me they find this whole process confusing. you know, i can read the articles, for example, about, you know, if people want to know what actually happened in georgia this weekend where people that, i guess, on the first ballot are going to donald trump but representatives of yours talk to them and are persuading them to vote for you on a second ballot. that is an important question because i think most people would like to know how this works and i'm really asking you more than a process question. it's an integrity of the election question. and everybody's asking me this question. so i'm giving you an opportunity to explain it. >> sean, the only people asking this question are the hardcore donald trump supporters. >> why do you -- why do you do this every single time -- no, you got to stop. every time i have you on the
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air, and i ask a legitimate question, you try to throw this in my face. i'm getting sick of it. i've had you on more than any other candidate on radio and tv. so if i ask you, senator, a legitimate question to explain to the audience, why don't you answer it? >> sean, can i answer question without being interrupted? >> go ahead. >> in the last three weeks there have been five election in five states. utah, north dakota, wisconsin, colorado, wyoming. we've won all five. over 1 preside.3 million peoplen those five states. we won all five. all of this noise and complaining and whining has come from the trump campaign because they don't like the fact that they've lost five elections in a row. that republicans are uniting behind our campaign so they're screaming on drudge and it's getting echoed. this notion of voterless election, it is nonsense. they are making it up. >> what if the delegate selection doesn't represent the will of the people in that particular district or area? >> sean, that's why there's an
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election and listen -- >> no, no, i mean, a conflict. that's why -- senator, i don't know why you're mad. there's no -- i'm asking, just trying to understand it. i'm really having a hard time understanding why you're getting angry at this. joining us with reaction, radio talk show host rose tennent, author david limbaugh who also happens to be my attorney but also is a cruz supporter. david, this has now happened in the last three interviews that had with senator cruz. i feel like i've been more than fair to him. if you have a legitimate criticism as a friend i'm willing to listen to it. i think it's a very important question. i don't think people understand it. i listen to people who write me and people that text me and people on twitter. what do you think? >> well, sean, you're one of my best friends and i am completely supportive of ted cruz. i don't think he was really mad, and i think it's more of an misunderstanding. if he was aggravated, it's not
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at you, it's at donald trump for recklessly misrepresenting that stealing and cheating is going on. this system has been in place for 150 years or more. in the states we've had a hybrid of pure democracy, we have caucuses, we have primaries. there's been no stealing going on. no one has ever complained about this before and i think lisa boothe was correct when she said this was messaging. this is a tactic trump is using to get cruz off message and his frustration if he had any was not at you but since iowa, trump has been accusing him of being lyin' ted and won't talk about the real issues. cruz wants to get him in a debate where he can whip him fairly and squarely. he's going to precincts and caucuses and courting these people and convincing him. but trump accusing cruz of cheating is also accusing the grassroots people, saying that party bosses have stolen this thing. these are grassroots people who have walked these precincts and worked hard all their life for
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conservative principles and for trump to say there's cheating going on, he's impugning them and undermining the e enthusias
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into this campaign and they're feeling as if the primaries don't matter. >> i'm sympathetic to the idea everybody knew the rules going in. going forward, meaning not in this election cycle, i want to see -- it's a national party. the party represents the people. i think the states should have choices. they should either be a caucus state or primary state. they can be proportional distribution of delegates or winner take all. and i think every delegate needs to be unbound. rose was talking about pennsylvania. the winner of pennsylvania gets 17 delegates. 54 are unbound. you actually have names of delegates not representing the candidates. in other words, they don't have the name of the delegate and the candidate they're supporting. i think
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improvements to the system going forward because it is confusing. i don't see any problems courting delegates for a second ballot if you think it's going to go to a contested convention. that's fine. but i think having it explained by the candidates what their strategy is is a legitimate question. >> well i don't disagree with that. i wish he would have answered it directly and blown it out of the water, but because these rules have been in place, trump knows it and this is dis ingenuous for him to do it. you're correct, if he wants to change the rule we have to obey the process in doing that, obey the rules, do it in a timely way, do it in a way before the primary process begins. not after the fact after you've lost these elections because you've been outgunned, outprepared, outmaneuvered and outworked by ted cruz. so i just don't think it's right for trump to raise these issues. it's a fine legitimate question for you to ask, but states and
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the party have a right to do what they want to do and they -- we don't want it forced down their throat but there ought to be -- this -- what about the fact that 60% of the people voted for trump last night and he'll get 90% of the delegates? it's not a pure democracy any way you do it. and so -- and trump has far more delegates, far higher percentage of delegates than his percentage of popular vote. >> right. >> part of the reason we have this convention thing is that people want to marshal a majority coalition which can go against the democrats and defeat them. if trump is unable to convince a majority of unbound delegates should it go to a second or third ballot, there's no delega.
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got to get a commitle from those delegates. >> actually in the next two days i'm putting up on my website who the delegates are supporting. so this way people in pennsylvania will know. i think this is fair for them. guy, i love you both. thank you both for being with us. appreciate it. >> we love you, too. coming up, are we headed to a contested convention or can donald trump get the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination? we have delegate experts weighing in. also, if you're courting a delegate, what are you allowed to offer them? then later tonight -- >> aye yi yi. i don't want to use the word crook, but, um, untruthful. >> a "hannity" exclusive you don't want to miss. we ask bernie sanders supporters to sum up hillary clinton in one word. wait until you hear the rest of what they said. now the clinton campaign should be very concerned. i'll give you that tip as "hannity" continues. here's the plan. you're a financial company that cares, but your logo is old and a little pointy.
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welcome back to "hannity." the rnc spring meeting started today in hollywood, florida, one of the most crucial topics up for discussion is the possibility of a contested convention come july. last night right here on this program, trump's convention manager paul manafort predicted the issue will not be an issue. take a look. >> there's not going be a second ballot so there's not an issue. >> and you're convinced? >> we have several ways to get to 1,237 by early june. >> and earlier today the "washington post" reported that an internal memo is projecting that donald trump will have more than 1,400 delegates and will easily win the nomination on the first ballot at the gop convention. now, senator ted cruz on the other hand, he's telling an entirely different story. take a look at him. >> what is clear today is that we are heading to a contested convention. nobody is able to reach 1,237.
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i'm not going to reach 1,237. and donald trump is not going to reach 1,237. we're going to arrive in cleveland with me having a ton of delegates and with donald having a ton of delegates. and at that point, it is going to be a battle to see who can earn the support of a majority of delegates elected by the people. >> joining us now with reaction, founder and president of high noon strategies lisa boothe. and leader of clark hills national political law practice, charles spies is with us. lisa, let me start with you. mathematically there's only one guy left that has a chance to get to 1,237. if you look at the percentages. seems within the realm of possibility by a little less than 60% for donald trump to get the nomination to get to 1,237 before we get to the convention. thoughts? >> well, you're right, sean. we're seeing a lot of campaign spin from both campaigns. i don't think donald trump can get to 1,400 but can get to 1,237. you're right. he's the only candidate right now that's poised to reach that
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number. and look, we both know that this is about delegates but it's also about optics, also about momentum. donald trump came off the bad couple weeks there for senator ted cruz. won wisconsin, colorado, and wyoming. however, he had a huge win in new york last night. he got 60% of the vote. he shored up almost all of the 95 delegates that were on the table. he also heads into next week on the 26th where there's rhode island, delaware, maryland, pennsylvania, all states that he's poised to do very well in. so donald trump needs to carry that momentum into may and we'll see what happens, but there is definitely the opportunity for him to become the presumptive nominee -- >> right. >> -- with the pledged delegates and/or pick up enough unbound delegates to win on that first ballot. >> charles, let's talk about pennsylvania. the winner of the state of pennsylvania, trump is up in the state according to the real clear politics average, but only 17 of those delegates are bound. another 54 delegates are unbound. on the ballot, itself, they have
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delegate names, but they don't have who the delegates are going to represent if elected. so it gets very confusing. how does that work out? >> well, this whole process is a combination of doing well at the polls, like donald trump did last night in new york. and doing well at the actual !íóc1 that's where ted cruz has really mastered the process and done better in wyoming and even if you look at the more recent states like michigan, he did very well and that's why the cruz folks are really looking at a second ballot as the opportunity for some of delegates to become unbound and switch over to him. >> yeah. what do -- in the course of courting, for example, let's say candidate "a" has on the first ballot they have committed delegates, but if candidate "b"
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and "c" are courting those delegates for the second round of balloting, what are they allowed to offer those delegates? anything? can they pay for their plane tickets, pay for their hotel rooms, take them out to expensive steak dinners? what are they allowed to do by law? >> it's a great question and it matters if those delegates hold any sort of public office in which case if you're giving them a trip to mar-a-lago you might be seeing the fbi outside your door. >> yeah. >> but if they're just regular citizens that are serving as delegates, there's very few rules that govern what you can do. you certainly can court them. >> when you say -- but court them and pay for their plane ticket, their hotel room and take them to a steak dinner, that seems like a little more than courting. that seems like quid pro quo. >> it means that you got to be very careful about the optics, but what governs here are party rules and the party rules don't
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prohibit you from courting them or even giving them a plane ticket. >> can you buy them a car? >> i wouldn't recommend doing it because i think it would be -- >> but you can spend money on them. you know, it seems -- you got to -- that would worry me and concern me. lisa, let me ask this question. there was a real clear politics column yesterday and the headline was that cruz could come in dead last in pennsylvania and still take home more than half the delegates. >> well, it's interesting. look, what we're seeing this election cycle, because in previous election cycles we've had a nominee who's become the presumptive nominee at this point. now granted we started out with 17 candidates so everything about this election cycle has been unorthodox and has been a little bit different than previous election cycles in recent memory. so what we're seeing now is short of a curtain rolled back about the process which valely something, sean, that people just haven't been interested in because they haven't had to be interested in it. and what i think donald trump
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has done which has been interesting is i honestly don't think he cares as much about the process as he's letting on. i think what he's doing from a communications standpoint is some table setting because what he has now done is created this scenario where the rnc delegates have a bull's-eye on their back. people are going to be paying attention to everything -- what they are doing and they're going to be paying attention to the convention rules and to everything to a degree that they wouldn't have been otherwise. so it's interesting to see him do this. >> it's interesting both in wisconsin and new york in exit poll, in wisconsin a state that donald trump lost, new york a state that he won, 60% of wisconsin voters, 70% of new york voters, said that they think the person with the most votes, delegates, and states won should get the nomination regardless of 1,237. do you think that if the party sticks to its rules, which i assume they will and that it is a contested convention, if they do leapfrog over somebody that
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has more votes, delegates, and states won, what do you think the result of that is, real quick? i'll ask you both. >> well, i think they're going to see a lot of voters that are upset if that happens, but trump, to point out one thing, for over a century, you've had to get to 1,237 number and so i think it's in donald trump's best interest if he wants to be the nominee is to try to focus on the state -- >> to get the number. >> to get that number and to also be looking at the unbound delegates that could potentially help him on the first ballot become the nominee. >> yeah, and charles, there's what, about 150 or so of those? >> at least depending on how the state laws are applied by the credentials committee at the actual convention. in terms of how people are bound. but sean, if you were to ask that same polling question about is the team that's ahead at the end of the eighth inning, should they be favored to win the game? most people would say yes but they'd say play the ninth inning, follow the rules and
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finish out the game. >> good to see you both. >> thank you, sean. >> coming up next tonight on this busy news night on "hannity" -- >> what's one word you'd use to describe hillary clinton? >> she's a liar. >> bernie sanders supporters, we asked them one word to describe hillary clinton. it's a video you'll only see here on "hannity" tonight. it's shocking. and also later tonight -- >> if this congress and the next president do not take an action to secure this border with mexico and enforce immigration laws, every county in america will become a border county. >> every county in america a border county. a maryland sheriff sounding the alarm about border security. that and more tonight on "hannity."
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[ cheering ] and to all the people who supported senator sanders, i believe there is much more that unites us than divides us. >> all right. so after winning the new york democratic primary, hillary clinton is trying to unify democrats around her campaign, but i don't think it's going to be that easy. now, in a "hannity" exclusive, we sent our friend, david webb, to a bernie sanders rally to ask his supporters the one word they would use to describe hillary clinton. it was not pretty. take a look. >> what's the one word you would use to describe hillary clinton? >> treacherous. >> hillary clinton? she said it, opportunist. >> untrustworthy. >> scary. >> what's your one word to describe hillary clinton? >> avoidable. >> aye yi yi. i don't want to use the word
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crook, but, um, untruthful. >> ordinary. >> what about you? >> traditional. >> disconnected. >> what about you? >> establishment. >> what's the one word you would use to describe hillary clinton? >> dishonest. >> oh, she's a liar. >> opulent. that's the one word. >> joke. lies. >> that's two. you got one more? >> disgrace. >> stale. >> a fraud. >> here with reaction, bernie sanders' campaign surrogate and adjunct professor of law at university of detroit mercy amer zahr is with us and fox use contributor doug schoen. interesting your comments on twitter today, you said that to assert, people, bernie supporters are obligated to
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support hillary you said is wildly misunderstanding this movement. >> yeah, i mean, the bernie sanders supporters and the bernie sanders movement is about bringing a new generation of people into the political process. new kinds of thinking. hillary clinton kind of represents the old way of thinking, the traditional way of thinking. that's why i think you see a lot of the reactions you saw in that man on the street video. >> what would be the one word you'd use to describe her? >> credibility issues. >> is that two words? >> that's not a word. try again. >> no, i mean, i think that's the main problem a lot of people have with her. >> do you think she's a liar? >> i wouldn't go as far to call her a liar. >> do you think she's dishonest? there there are some honesty issues. >> you think she's untrustworthy? >> many of us do, yes. >> you're one of them? >> i think she's untrustworthy. >> you think she's crooked? >> i wouldn't use that word. >> doug, 25% of bernie supporters are saying they're not going, they're not
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supporting her. >> right. that's now, sean. we're in april. feelings are necessarily quite heightened -- >> raw nerves. >> but they'll come together after the convention. frankly, it's the republicans who are a lot more divided than the democrats. >> you know what, we're paying more attention to the republicans but in reality, a lot of bernie supporters, i bet, amer, you're probably one of them, i look at what's happening with the republicans but i've never seen anything as corrupt as this superdelegate system with hillary clinton has 100-some-odd superdelegates, bernie has 30. really? that sounds to me like the establishment has stacked the deck to give hillary the nomination. you take away the superdelegates and this is a pretty narrow race. >> yeah, the superdelegate system is a problem -- >> is it a corrupt? >> i wouldn't call it corrupt. >> i would. >> it definitely is an incumbency protection system, right, which really -- >> call that krupcorrupt. come on, wait a minute.
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if you're saying it's there to protect one candidate over another, it's corrupt and not fair. >> i'm not going to use the word corrupt. it sidelines a lot of people trying to come into the system -- >> is it cheating, dishonest, is if unfair? >> i'm not going to use any of those words. >> you really believe it, don't you? you know it's unfair. i know it's unfair. i'm laughing. if i'm a bernie supporter, i'd be pissed. >> i'd say it's unfair because what it does is takes away the democratic power from the people and it really -- >> okay, so that's corrupt. >> this whole new generation of people that's coming in. >> that's corrupt. >> it's not a great system. >> it's not a great system. >> if i can get a word in, look, hillary is going to be the next president. republicans divided -- >> blah, blah, blah, sick of hearing that. you know what, maybe she -- she starts out with 47% of the vote. >> correct. >> god help us if she wins. >> five of the six states with, like, 250 of the 270 delegates, you need the electoral college -- >> is that superdelegate system corrupt yes ore no? >> it's effective -- >> i didn't ask if it's effective. is it corrupt? >> i don't think it's corrupt. it's designed to protect
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incumbents. you know what -- it works. >> it's designed to protect the establishment. basically it's a system that screws bernie. >> yeah, of course it does. that's right. >> there you go from a hillary supporter. >> hillary will be the president. >> he's saying what you're afraid to say, amer. speak up. >> amer is a fair and reasonable -- >> amer is an honest guy. >> nice to hear from a hillary supporter, but it's not fair -- >> we'll be working together, amer, i look forward to it. >> i don't know about that. >> last question, will you vote for hillary if she's the nominee, amer? >> i plead the 5th amendment. >> i think we'll be all together. >> why don't you answer? that's a no. say no. >> amer, you'll be with us. >> i'm not a supporter of hillary clinton. i don't think i will. >> we'll talk privately. up next tonight on "hannity" -- >> if this congress and the next president do not take an action to secure this border with mexico and enforce the immigration laws, every border in america will become a border
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people in this country that came here through the front door, this has everything to do with people who snuck in this country and continue to take from america, including our children. you talked about fear, that i will legals are afraid to come out of the shadows. do you want know what fear is? someone reaches into your house and grabs them and tortures them, you're afraid of everything, for a long time. >> heart breaking testimony, her son was murdered and tortured by an illegal immigrant. she delivered a stern warning against sanctuary cities. joining us now is churching jenkins and aj delgado, and sheriff, you said every city is going to be a border city. what did you mean by that?
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>> i've been to the border and i saw the impact of illegal immigration and start to enforce the laws the way they're written, every county will be a border county. >> this becomes a big issue in the campaign. no mother, i interviewed this woman yesterday. my heart goes out to her. her son tortured and murdered by illegal immigrants. and we're doing nothing to secure the border. no mother should have to go through this. why is it political will until this point? >> it's hard to hear your testimony without getting emotional. when you think about it, because of illegal immigration, josh wilkerson never got to go to his prom, a baseball game, or walk down the aisle. his life ended because of illegal immigration. i blame all of us. we're all to blame for not standing up to politicians and saying enough already.
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enough of the illegal immigration for cheap labor, or political correctness. when are we going to stand up for josh wilkersons? kate steinles and say enough already? there is just pressure that you just can't say that. people are dying and being victimized. it cannot continue. >> you know, sean, with these sanctuary cities, you noi this, is something that happened around this epidemic. >> those cities are openly defying the law of the land. >> right. and they're not turning them over to isis when arrested. you got guys that are 4, 5 times arrested. it's an epidemic going on z if you look at statistics of rapes around this country, young girls being raped by punches and gang members across the country this you capture them, they let them go. then, like i told you, if they
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say they've been here since 2014 they let them go this, is ridiculous. and this stands out now. why? look. i don't care if you like trump or not, i will guarantee you, we'll stop sanctuary cities, we'll stop this immigration, we'll build the wall, and america needs you. you don't have to be a republican or democrat to understand we're being raped in this country by illegal illalie and our kids are victims. >> i sat through a hearing, this is no small amount of crime we're talking about. >> no. it's not. everyone of the crimes is avoidable. if we'd taken action as far as enforcement, creating a law, enforcement effort at the highest levels this is unvoidable. just in frederick county, we had eight cases where rapes occurred, victims between 5 and
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12, by people in my county, illegally. >> aj. if you look at the polls, it seems like america has come around to trump's position. how big an issue in the campaign? >> the biggest issue, i think, the american public realizing. that is why there is a huge amount of support for donald trump. no matter what your beliefs are, let's enforce our laws, that is it. >> we need your help, that is next, straight ahead. ♪ i could get used to this. now you can, with the luxuriously transformed 2016 lexus es and es hybrid. ♪
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that is all the time we have left this evening. thanks for joining us. see you tomorrow night. in 10 seconds. this is a fox news alert. donald trump about to take the stage in berlin, maryland, is he hot off his big win in the new york primary. we are going to monitor that trump event and bring you news as it happens. our peter doocy is also outside monitoring those presses. we will take you there live as well. also, the republican party all tied up in knots. republican leaders meeting behind closed doors in florida. are they going to change the g.o.p. convention rules? rnc chair reince priebus is here in just moments. let's get right to james rosen who is at that meeting. james? >> greta, good evening. i'm standing in a mostly deserted ballroom at the dip hotel in hollywood, florida. the only things in this ballroom right now are

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