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pence bl as a leader. >> who's on the 5? >> i'm not sure. >> lincoln. >> who's on the 50? >> i don't know. >> jackson -- rather, it's grant. >> i know what's on my debit card. bill: breaking news, here we go. 9:00 here in new york, watching the movements of the president overseas. i'm bill hemmer, and welcome to "america's newsroom." president obama arriving a short time ago in riyadh, saudi arabia. we were will being to his -- listening to his opening statement there that led directly with iran and illegal arms sales. so as we say good morning to all of you, we're waiting for the questions x we'll see where this goes as the trip continues overseas. martha: good morning, everybody, i'm martha maccallum. as we watch this moment of history unfold, the president on his trip to saudi arabia, obviously, a very complex relationship between our two countries right now, a lot of question about the so-called 28
pages in the 9/11 document and whether or not there was discussion about any possible role that any tangential role that the saudi ruling families may have had in aiding that terrible attack. bill: there will be headlines, so stand by. now in america's election headquarters, donald trump is said to be transitioning his campaign to a more traditional and finely-tuned political machine. this as the republican front-runner appears to be acknowledging the need to make up ground with women voters. >> there's nobody that respects women more than i do. there is nobody that will take care of women's health issues better than i will. [applause] hillary cannot do it, believe me. she doesn't have the strength, the energy she will not be able to do it, and i think women will be big fans. bill: last hour michael warren, this week, -- weekly standard
staff writer. the campaign is evolving and transitioning and so am i. i'll be more effective and more disciplined, i'm not going to blow it. start. [laughter] >> well, we've heard that before, right? he was going to be more presidential. we heard he was going to give more policy speeches starting a couple months ago. so past the prologue, if there is any change like he's talking about in the journal today, then it's probably going to be short lived if it happens at all. on the other hand, he has this personnel, this staff shake-up within his campaign. corey lewandowski out. it seems to be paul manafort, a republican veteran, making all the calls. so that is, i think, a significant change. if this is finally the time that donald trump starts to change things up with the way he's running for president, it would be now. bill: policy addresses, teleprompters and a speech writer. that would be a different campaign than what we have seen. pennsylvania's got some numbers out a short time ago, and donald
trump has a clear advantage over ted cruz and john kasich at 40%. does that surprise you? >> no. but the question with pennsylvania as it is with all these states coming up on tuesday and going into june in california, of course, is delegates. it's always been about delegates, and the problem for donald trump has been he's not been playing the actual delegate game. maybe he's been winning the popular vote, but those aren't the rules of the republican party. with paul manafort coming on as political director, that does suggest that trump does perhaps realize that he needs to play this delegate game. that's part of what we're seeing with this personnel shake-up and maybe getting sort of serious about the campaign. it may be too little too late, but if he does start getting up to that 1237, you might be able to thank this idea that maybe he needs to campaign more seriously. bill: he was also asked on today show whether or not he favored raising taxes on the wealthy,
and he said he did. my colleagues at fox business will say it's more nuanced than that, that it goes to hedge fund managers. but that's not what he stated today. and i'm just wondering whether or not there needs to be more nuance brought to his argument, especially when you're, i mean, in your lifetime when was the last time a republican candidate tried to get the nomination, talked about raising taxes on anyone, michael? >> yeah, that's right. we remember 1988, george h.w. bush, read my lips, no new taxes, and he was really raked over the coals when he ended up having to agree to a tax bill that did raise some taxes. so this is a problem. and i think it goes to a deeper problem with donald trump's candidacy if he doesn't reach those 1237 delegates. if he doesn't do that on the first ballot, a lot of those delegates are unbound, and those are party faithful, people who don't believe in raising taxes, who actually care about issues that donald trump up to this point has not seemed to care about. so once they're released after
the first ballot, it becomes chaotic. and donald trump's chances of winning the nomination then, i think, really go down significantly after that first ballot -- bill: may not get that far. we don't know. michael warren, thanks, from washington d.c. the other thing trump has talked about in the past is he hates paying taxes. martha: yeah. bill: trying to figure out how to may as minimal amount as possible. martha: that statement clearly stood out. the question, i believe, was do you believe in raising taxes on the wealthy, and he said, yes, i do. in the past he has said on hedge fund managers, people who pay the lower 15% rate, but he didn't equivocate at all on that. he said, yes, i do believe in raising taxes on the wealthy. we'll look for him to clarify as we move forward this morning. lots more to come on the new donald trump strategy. and we're going to get reaction from both the trump and cruz campaigns this morning. we will also talk to a man who has a pretty big job over the
next few days in florida, the rnc chairman, reince priebus. that comes up in the next hour of "america's newsroom." meanwhile, here this morning hillary clinton and bernie sanders both back on the campaign trail today. sanders, as you know, took a day off, went back to vermont following his double-digit defeat in new york to think over the rest of his campaign strategy, a senior aide saying the senator would, quote, take a step back and decide what his intentions are. that reevaluation not expected to come until after the five states that will vote on tuesday. so he's got a little bit of breathing room. sanders is now trailing clinton by more than 700 delegates, a sizable gap. the former secretary of state closing in on that magic number of 2383, is the number on the democratic side. also some important information to impart to you this morning, make sure to join us on sunday night. bill and i are going to be working on sunday evening this weekend, 8:00 eastern. we'll be hosting america's town
hall live from the national constitution center in philadelphia. we're really excited about this evening that is coming up. we're going to preview the five states that will be voting next week. we'll take your questions live, we'll have some of your favorite panelists that we're going to talk to, you can ask them questions as well. also a couple of candidates will be joining us, announcements to come on that. you can tweet your questions as well using hashtag fox news town hall or submit a question on the fox news facebook page. if you're in the philly area this weekend, come right over and see us live. tickets at facebook.com/foxnews. bill: very much looking forward to that, especially when you go out and talk to americans and voters and find out firsthand what's on their minds. martha: pennsylvania's one of the most interesting states to watch. five big ones on tuesday, of course, but pennsylvania in the spotlight. bill: so 8 p.m. sunday night. a suspect has been charged with attempted murder, the lawyer for saleh abdeslam announcing the charge against his client for a
deadly shootout with police. he had previously admitted his role in the attacks in paris from november 13. we are also hearing one of the suicide bombers who blew himself up at the airport in brussels on the 22nd of march actually worked at the airport. the report says that 24-year-old terrorist worked at the airport for five years. he was recruited by a temporary employee agency at the airport. martha: chilling. all right, so ted cruz making it very clear that for him and his campaign it is cleveland or bust. >> at this point nobody is getting 1237. donald is going to talk all the time about other folks not getting to 1237, he's not getting there either. none of us are getting to 1237. martha: so what exactly is his strategy once he gets to that convention? we're going to ask a top person in his campaign who's been here before. he's on the inside. he knows what's going on, and he'll be coming up. bill: also new concessions on iran triggering more treption
tensions with saudi arabia. what the u.s. is thinking of giving iran that is causing so much concern today. martha: and u.s. border agents discover a drug tunnel for the record books. wait until you see how this thing is fitted out and hear how long this tunnel is and what's down there. when we come back. >> few would suspect the traffickers were moving multi-ton quantities of cocaine and marijuana in this very unassuming way, in full view of the world around them with really nothing more than a three-foot hole. don't let a cracked windshield ruin your plans. trust safelite. with safelite's exclusive "on my way text" you'll know exactly when we'll be there. giving you more time for what matters most. (team sing) ♪safelite repair, safelite replace.♪
martha: federal agents seizing what they are describing as the longest-ever cross-border drug tunnel. take a look at this thing. it's eight football fields long. it goes from a house in tijuana all the way under the border x then it comes up in a fenced-in lot in san diego. authorities arrested six people on the u.s. side. they now face multiple charges, of course. federal officials say this is a very sophisticated operation. listen. >> it opens up into what is a fairly complex tunnel, a tunnel that is equipped with a ventilation system, that is equipped with lights, and on the mexico side of the border, it is equipped with a commercial, large elevator. martha: that works, right? that's helpful. agents also recovered seven tons of marijuana, two tons of
cocaine, a stockpile believes to be worth $22 million. bill: oh, my gosh. and that's just one tunnel too, right? fourteen minutes past the hour. there is new fallout for the administration, the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee introducing a bill to stop the administration from giving iran access to u.s. dollars. critics are concerned the money would be used to support terrorism and iran's nuclear ambitions. president obama's deputy national security adviser responded this way earlier today: >> we have a similar assessment of the fact that iran is engaged in destabilizing activities. we also just think that even as we are vigilant, even as we develop capabilities to counter iranian actions, we have to have an openness to pursuing diplomatic solutions or else the region is just going to see a perpetuation of the conflicts that have already caused so much suffering and instability. bill: ambassador james woolsey,
sir, welcome back here on "america's newsroom." >> good to be with you. bill: that statement went back to diplomacy repeatedly. i don't know where that gets you. what is going on with this relationship now, in your view? >> well, i think the president, frankly, is playing the role of neville chamberlain in the mid 1930s. he doesn't seem to have any arrows in his quiver except concessions, and it's trying to make it easier for the iranians to use the dollar. he's even intervening against individual american states who want to, let's say, keep their pension funds from being invested with some rain yap entity. iranian entity, and writing them letters saying that you're interfering with our foreign policy. it really is about as concession-oriented and about as weak as foreign policy gets. bill: wow. the question is why. why we keep coming back to that. as you get ready for that, we're seeing the president live in riyadh, saudi arabia.
we do believe there will be questions, so we may get interrupted here. are we trying to change iran, or is this administration trying to live with iran as is today? >> this is surmised on my part, but i think the president wants a legacy on this point what like president nixon's with china. conservative goes to communist country, opens things up. and that was a strategically sound move when it was made back in the late '60s, early '70s. but it was strategically planned. we were trying to keep the soviets from attacking china in part -- bill: i'm just going to step in one moment here because now the questions from the press corps are happening here. >> sure. bill: stand by, sir, one moment. >> if you can point to any evidence of greater cooperation or engagement in the campaign against isil, do you feel now that the gulf partners are carrying their weight? >> i think that a lot of --
[inaudible] the fact of the matter is that the partnership and cooperation between the united states and gulf countries has existed for decades. during the course of our administration -- [inaudible] extensively cooperated with us on counterterrorism, on curbing the financing of terrorist activities. they are part of the isil, counter-isil coalition that has made progress both in syria -- bill: our apologies. we don't know if this audio's going to get any better. the question was whether or not the gulf partners are carrying their weight in the fight against isil. that question has been asked repeatedly, general woolsey. back to the issue of iran, what do we solve on this trip, if anything? >> i don't think much.
i think the president has a problem with this strong feeling about the saudis arising out of the documents that haven't been released and the rest. so trying to get close to the saudis in order to check the iranians is hard when that's also going on. it's, the middle east, as is often the case, is a mess. bill: why have the iranians consistently defied this nuclear agreement and gotten away with it? just this week they tested another long-range missile. why is this happening without repercussions? >> to them, negotiation and agreements are not about bargaining and concessions the way we usually think of them. they're about dominance. the whole purpose from the iranians' point of view of having any kind of agreement with us is to provide an opportunity for them to show dominance. so where they can ignore the
agreement, violate it, whatever, they're perfectly delighted to do that because that's what they're interested in. they have a word -- bill: and they can get away with it. go ahead, it means what? >> basically means lying to infidels, and it's recommended. it's not just permitted. bill: final question. will we give iran access to u.s. dollars? will that happen. >> well, i hope not. i think anybody who gets involved in that would have to realize that the chance that the next president a few months from now may not financially support what is going on in those, that type of transition. and people could get very tangled up in lawsuits and regulatory messes if they get into working with iran if the next administration is firmer than this one on iran, and i certainly hope it will be.
bill: thank you, sir, for your insight there. james woolsey out of washington today. apologize about the interruption there, but it's breaking news, and we're going to get our viewers back there when we can. martha: remember aring a former icahn, chyna dead at the anal -- age of 45. bill: move over app i drew jackson, changes coming to the $20 bill and perhaps that's not all. ♪ ♪ you're late for work.
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the front of that bill, famous for her efforts in freeing hundreds of slaves. andrew jackson will still be there, but on the back of the bill. the treasury department announcing more changes soon as well including the ten. alexander hamilton remains the face, however, the back will feature leaders of the suffrage movement including susan b. anthony, and the five also getting a new look, the back now have martin luther king, eleanor roosevelt and opera singer marian anderson. you'll see the new bills in 2020, four years from now. martha: all right. as we mentioned earlier, the wrestling world is in shock today, joan laurer, the legendary wwe star known as chyna has died. california police confirmed the 45-year-old was found dead in her apartment. she was a female pioneer in wrestling in the 1990s. police say there are no signs of foul play. fox news radio's carrie shimkus
is here with a little bit more on this. carly, good morning to you. >> well, we know she really was an eye p con and the wrestling community is mourning her loss. she really was, to just look at her life for a moment, even beating out men in the ring. it's a really cool trail-blazing moment. but, you know, there was also a dark side to that. she did struggle with drug addiction, she was famously on celebrity rehab. we don't know a whole lot about what happened other than her friend found her dead in her apartment, no signs of foul play, as you said. social media, this is a huge story, and it is really reflected on social media. her name immediately started to trend, it's still trending right now, and some of the biggest names in the industry are talking about it. nick foley tweeting, joni, i'm so sorry, i'm always treasure your friendship and will never forget your kindness to my children, hulk hogan, such a beautiful soul and so kind to my children. she really, you could see, had a
beautiful heart. martha: all right. we wait for the investigation, wait to learn more about what happened. gone at 45 years old, chyna -- >> and you know what? at the time of her death, she was working on a documentary called the reconstruction of chyna so we'll see what happens there. truly a sad story, died way too young. martha: carly, thank you very much. good to see you as always. bill? bill: martha, we are four minutes away, opening bell on wall street. new york stock exchange, the dow closing yesterday at its highest level since july. so where do we go today? some rare air up there, huh? nice. also senator ted cruz saying he will not get the delegates needed to secure the nomination before cleveland, but that is okay, he says. neither, he argues, will donald trump. we'll speak to a cruz spokesperson next about all that here on "america's newsroom." >> if this election were decided by the rich and powerful, if this election were decided by
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has remained on the campaign trail, and he continues to bash the republican leadership and the primary process as being rigged. this at the same time his own team here is trying to win over delegates. this could be a trump presentation this afternoon to do just that. as far as the rules go, there's been widespread speculation that there could be some rules changes here that could affect the convention, but the republican chairman has really tried to throw cold water on any idea that there could be significant changes here that could affect the convention in july. bill, back to you. bill: thank you. hollywood, florida. steve harrigan, thank you. r. martha: as that all-important rnc meeting is plague out in florida, ted cruz is putting his regards on the table saying he thinks none of the candidates has a chance of reaching that magic number of 1237 before july, and he believes it will be decided this summer in cleveland. >> we are headed to a contested convention, and at this point nobody is getting 1237.
donald is going to talk all the time about other folks not getting to 1237, he's not getting there either. none of us can get to 1237. and we're going to go into cleveland, i'm going to have a ton of delegates, donald's going to have a ton of delegates, and it is going to be a battle in cleveland to see who can earn a majority of the delegates who have been elected by the people. martha: ron nehring is a spokesman for the cruz campaign. good to have you back. >> you bet. martha: so that's not according to the trump campaign. they've been saying over the past couple of days that they do see the path to 1237, so if that happens, will ted cruz withdraw? >> donald trump's not going to get to that number. we've gone through state by state very carefully with very conservative estimates as to what's likely to occur, and we're well organized in all of the states that will vote between now and the time we wrap this thing up with california on june the 7th so ultimately, at the end of the day i think we're
going to have an exciting convention, one we haven't seen in quite some time. not unprecedented, you know, it's happened before. i think that's what's going to occur. martha: when you look at the exit polls, you had 70% of those who answered saying they believe that the person who has the majority of the votes -- not the delegates -- is the one who should carry that party's nomination. and then you combine this with, you know, some of the ground that appears to be shifting towards donald trump here, this is from "the wall street journal" this morning. it says we continue to believe the delegates in cleveland should nominate the most electable candidate. but realistically, mr. trump will be hard to deny if he rolls through the remaining primaries, even if he's short of 1237. mr. cruz and mr. kasich are out hustling with the new yorker in the fight for unbound delegates, excuse me, but they also need to go into cleveland with a credible claim on gop voter support. so the journal now saying this
morning that they believe 1237 may not be a magic number. your thoughts. >> well, at the end of the day, the republican nomination goes to the candidate who succeeds in building majority support within the party, and there's very good reason for that. speaking as someone who's served as a state republican chairman for many years and we know that in order to go forward, we have to have a united party. and how do we define a united party? with a candidate and a vice presidential candidate who have a support of the majority of the party. that can either be done on the first ballot, second ballot, but at the end of the cay, we're going to nominate a candidate out of cleveland, and that puts us in the best position in order to defeat hillary clinton and go up against the democrats, ultimately, in november. what is important, though, is two things i think are important. one is that much of the same polling shows that about 70%, 65, 70% of republican voters do not want donald trump to be the nominee, and they know he would ultimately go on to be defeated by hillary clinton.
we'd probably lose the congress, and the democrats and liberals would control the supreme court for the next 25 years. and that's what we're looking at with respect to, you know, if this winds up being donald trump. but it's not going to be at the end of the day. we should also keep in mind what's the type of person who becomes a delegate to the republican national committee? these are folks who are walking precincts, folks who make sure the headquarters is open in their neighborhood and that they're making the phone calls and so on. these are the grass roots of the -- martha: yeah. >> -- the republican party's ultimately going to gather there, yeah. martha: i want to ask you a question about sort of the momentum in this decision. if nobody gets to 1237, as you say, either -- it's going to go one way or the other, i think, in terms of whether or not ted cruz and potentially john kasich will be encouraged by the party and by voters and by the forces out there on the republican side to hang in or whether or not they will be encouraged not to. and that's going to be a big question.
because you can't go into this fight in july unless you feel like there's support for a contested convention. and there's a sense that maybe that is losing, that the steam under the desire for a contested convention might be there. so what's your read on that? >> i think really, you know, having gone through many conventions myself both at the state level and the national level, ultimately at the end of the day this is kind of a process question. what this really comes down to, are we going to know who the republican nominee is on monday or wednesday of then convention? really that, as a practical matter, is what this is going to come down to. i don't think that's something -- you know, most people are interested in who's the nominee be, can they unite the party? whether we find out on wednesday or monday or what day of the week really is an immaterial aspect of this. what's important is we have a candidate like ted cruz who can unite the republican party so we can go forward and win in
november and have a republican congress as well. martha: and you feel that the rnc and the party at large is supportive of that notion, that they think it's going to be fine to go into the convention and slug it out with two or three candidates? that that's going to be a good outcome? >> you know, i served as a member of the republican national committee myself, you know, over 150 members with 150, you know, different opinions, and everyone has their own take on the matter. at the end of the day, the democratic small d process has to work itself through, and we're going to come out of this convention with a nominee who has earned the support of the majority of the republican party. it's not going to be an infomercial like in the past. there's going to be a lot more drama. fox news is going to have to send more correspondents to cover more meetings and interesting things that will happen -- martha: well, it will be an interesting story, to be sure. >> yep. martha: everybody agrees with that side of the equation with. i've got to go, but very quickly, do you think the rnc should shoot down the potential
white knight option, that that should not be on the table? because we're going to talk to reince priebus in a moment. >> it's not on the table, and there's no way that's going to happen because we're not going to have a nominee who hasn't run for president. seventeen people chose to run, we're now down to functionally two people, ted cruz and donald trump, and that's it -- martha: john kasich would say he should be on that list, because he says your guy doesn't have the numbers to get there and neither does he -- >> well, john kasich will have lost 49 states by the time we get there. socialit's hard to say you're tt electable candidate when you haven't won anywhere except your home state. martha: good to see you this morning, sir. >> thank you. bill: a lot of this may come up on sunday night at our town hall in philly. stand by. one of the victims of the benghazi attack finally receiving something the family's been asking for for a very long time. we'll explain. martha: and donald trump looks toward the general election, weigh anything on the e-mail
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bill: let's have it. is trump right? >> he may or may not be right. obviously, nobody knows the path of this fbi investigation. all we know is what's been publicly reported so far. if donald trump is right and that she will not be indicted because she's being protected by the president, by the democratic party, then that in itself is a huge story. that's the story of corruption because the fbi is supposed to be politically independent. so if he's right about that, then that story should be told. but i think there's something else going on here. i'm hearing that this investigation is much bigger than what we are led to believe. yes, they are looking into the possible mishanding of classified material, but there's another track to this investigation which involves possible violations of the public corruption laws, and that involves the clinton foundation. possibly foreign governments and other things where mrs. clinton would not be and may not be the only target. bill: so none of that has been reported yet. >> some of it has. bill: so you're offering that today.
>> which may be why the information is taking longer -- investigation is talking longer -- bill: more than just e-mails on a serve every. >> right. bill: donald trump suggesting she would be protected by those in washington and in power. >> look, the president has already signaled on fox news with chris wallace that he doesn't think that any national security was violated by anything to do with the e-mail scandal. now, putting a aside the issue of whether that was appropriate for the president to weigh in on, i don't think it was, that really is a large question. was there knowing transmittal by the secretary of classified material, and was she grossly innocent? i think -- negligent? i think speaking as a lawyer for a second, i think it's a closed question. but monica's point is one that bears on this, i think, extraordinarily well. we don't know anything other than what's been in the public domain. there could with other issues with the other 30,000 e-mails that had to do with personal affairs or yoga --
bill: that were allegedly deleted: what about her suggestion about a broader investigation? >> i think it is going on. i don't know anything about it, but with 147 fbi agents working by public discussion, it suggests that there's more than just an examination of -- bill: so what trump suggested last night is that a statute limitations that extends six years. >> six years. bill: now, why would he dangle that out there? >> because he, and he has said this before, that if he is elected president, it is something he would look at. in other words, he becomes the nation's chief law enforcement officer.igation if this thing is swept under the rug in an obama administration, he would feel under a trump presidency that he would have the legal obligation as well as a moral one to investigate if he felt it was, it wasn't being investigated properly now. bill: as a lawyer when you hear that -- >> i think of double jeopardy.
we are going to get a decisive and arguably definitive judgment from james comey and the fbi, and the justice department. to reopen investigations based on politics or a sense that they didn't do the job right the first time is a chilling and disquieting -- >> but i think trump's view is let's say the fbi does make a criminal referral to the doj, and they sit on it or decide not to pursue it, that's where he was saying, look, if i become president, i'll take a second look. bill: you have said repeatedly, monica, that it comes down to the decision of one person, and that's the commander in chief. >> yes, barack obama. bill: does he have the authority to call off the dogs? >> technically no, of course. and it may very well be that this fbi investigation is so far advanced it's beyond anybody's control. we simply don't know. remember, barack obama is the president of the united states, runs the democratic party, and he oversees the fbi and the doj.
ultimately, they report to him. and i've always felt ultimately when it becomes a political matter after it leaves the hands of the fbi, then it only matters -- >> i think he's basically told us his position. which is if it's at the margins, don't indict. and if it's an extreme case where his weighing in or any politician or extra-legal force weighing in would only be seen as extraneous, an indictment would go forward. we just don't know what's in the full record. bill: thanks to both of you. check out the monica memo in the washington times, how the green energy bullies -- >> a little off topic. [laughter] bill: 1237? yes or no? >> maybe. bill: me or no. >> under. bill: okay. martha: forget the number 1237, donald trump's campaign reportedly projecting a much bigger number. so what is that number? we'll hear from their campaign coming up. bill: also, more fallout on obamacare. why one insurance company, a big one, is saying no thanks, and why this will be a big deal for the program.
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bill: we have just new video received from a b-52 strike near mosul in iraq. now, the u.s. air force is conducting this raid using an aircraft targeting the terrorist weapon facilities near mosul. there are will be a battle, we just don't know when. u.s. officials making clear it's not a carpet bomb, but a precision bomb drop on isis. the b-52 can stay this the air for ten hours. this could be a significant move. the beginning, perhaps, of a push further into that town. watch that story here. ♪ ♪ martha: so a major shake-up in the health care industry. united health care, which is the nation's largest health insurer,
is leaving most of the obamacare health exchangeses, and that's going to start in 2017. it's due mostly to the escalating losses they say they've received on those obamacare plans. it does not make business sense for them to stay on it, so they are largely out. we're joined by fox business' melissa francis, who basically told us this would happen. >> they lost $475 million based on obamacare alone last year. they're projecting for this year they're going to lose $650 million. the people that are making these decisions, the ceo, it's not their company. it's not their community. their responsibility, their legal duty is to their shareholders. they can't make decisions based on what think think is nice, what's politically correct. it's against the law. so they are saying we are losing money, we have no choice but to exit obamacare x. they're doing it all over the place. many, many states. so in a lot of markets you're going to end up with one choice on obamacare, maybe two. martha: all right.
what happened to the provisions supposedly built into obamacare to protect these insurance companies from having -- if they had too big losses, they were going to get paid back by the government. >> right. anybody with a calculator knew out of the gate the insurance companies were going to lose money because their covering more and more people, more conditions for the same amount of money. the government said look, united health care, don't worry, we understand -- because we also have a calculator -- that you're going to lose money. so the taxpayer, us, we're going to cover that loss. martha: right. >> that was only for a certain period of time. when that ends, now unitedhealth is back to losing a ton of money which, again, is against the law. they have to do right by their shareholders. and this was all predictable, martha. martha: we know a lot of small businesses are trying to hire as few people as they can because it's burdensome to them for the same reasons. they also, they have to protect their company, or other people who work for them because they want to stay in business. when you look at the big picture politically though here, the
thinking is that, you know, hillary clinton will say, look, these guys want to take away your obamacare, and you love being covered. and that that's going to be a very powerful message. >> well, i mean, it is interesting. i think anecdotally in the audience, you know somebody who didn't are health care before who says obamacare is great, you also know someone who's paying more because of this. there's people on every side. that's really what makes it a market. over time, though, i think they're going to run out of people in the exchange, run out of insurance companies, and the only solution is going to be for the government to pay more. that's all of us. this' where we're headed. martha: the administration says unitedhealth care managed it badly. it was their fault. >> that is factually incorrect. martha: melissa, thank you. always so clear and cogent on this issue and everything else. good to see you. bill: in a moment here, is donald trump dialing it back, and is the establishment warming up to him?
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martha: winds of change are blowing through donald trump's presidential campaign. he has some new hires, an influx of cash. he is putting more money to work. even a teleprompter which you will hear a little bit more about in a moment. suggesting we may be seeing a very different donald trump in the weeks leading up to the republican convention. we've seen a couple of donald trump's over past couple days in many ways. welcome to brand new hour of "america's newsroom."
i'm martha maccallum. bill: good morning. how are you doing? martha: fresh. bill: trump says the campaign is evolving and he is bringing in political insiders to smooth things out in the campaign. he is reaching out to many establishment republicans many of whom are cold to his candidacy. trump team says it is not just about winning states it is about, quote, winning smart. >> all you see are trump ads negative. we go to the polls and trump wins like in a landslide. [cheering] what does that mean? i'm winning like by 300 delegates. i'm winning by -- [cheering] i mean to me, even though they don't even count it, i'm winning by millions of vote, millions of people signed on to vote for trump. bill: chief political correspondent carl cameron is live in d.c. good day to you, carl, good morning. you were reporting about the teleprompter discussion. you've been on that for about a week. there is symbolism here. why is this such a big deal?
>> he dumped on people that used prompters and mocked existence of the device. there is a big division in his campaign. there is a rift with the new regime and some of the old loyalists. as recently as tuesday in advance of his big new york primary win there was a big debate whether or not he should have used teleprompter in his acceptance speech and victory declaration. what happened was they argued over it. some suggested that would undermine his tell it like it is, anti-pc authentic candidacy and make him look like a hypocrite because he made fun of candidates who used it in the past that argument prevailed. there was no teleprompter on that night. where teleprompters will be used is, fundamentally going to be in policy speeches. and the idea here is that trump is now trying to up his game, improve the nature of his rhetoric. improve the delivery on his policy answers and his riffs, his rhetoric and try to begin really to deal with the
establishment, the rnc particularly, and delegates at convention and members of the 168-member committee meeting in florida right now to position him to win the nomination or convention floor battle have allies in the republican establishment for the last two years of his political life he has been criticize harshly. bill? bill: you know, carl, he did a town hall this morning on nbc. made a little bit of news. what was that all about? >> he did. he was talking about a push to make bathrooms off limits for transgenders. they have to go to the bathroom of their sex on their bert certificate as opposed to whatever they transed into. made a little bit of news he puts himself at odds with a lot of southern socially conservative states doing just that listen to this. >> there is a big move to create new bathrooms, problem with that is, for transgender that would be a, first of all i think that would be discrimer to in certain way.
unbelievably expensive for businesses ant country. leave it way it is. >> that is a hot button issue. you can expect his rivals will be asked about his answers. john kasich take a similar position. a little more delegate for ted cruz, courting evangelicals seriously he has to be careful to not confront those states with similar statutes. there will be a lot of discussion in the next 24 to 36 hours. bill: carl cameron on the sidewalks much washington, d.c. martha. martha: changes we're talking about coming to the trump campaign including recent hiring of by wary establishment leaders oh, this is good sign. that will make donald trump to a more palatable candidate to those who do not support him. trump's former rivals, wisconsin scott walker currently a ted cruz supporter he will get on board if it comes to that.
>> i will support the republican running against hillary clinton in the fall. whoever that is. >> if it were him you would support him? >> to me i think it is preferrable to have republican nominee over hillary clinton. martha: bret baier is anchor of "special report" here on fox news channel. bret, good morning to you. >> hey, martha. martha: the question right now, is there a sea change happening here? >> you know, i tweeted out yesterday that we've seen #nevertrump and we've seen hashtag always trump. i think we're starting i think among establishment republicans #eventuallytrump. they're looking at numbers and how it goes forward in 15 states remaining, they see he can get there on the first ballot. you look at delegates now. you do the delegate math up till juneth, the final primaries include comes short in even a conservative positive for trump estimate but
he is also possibly enabled to negotiate with the unbound delegates and get him over the top on the first ballot. so i do think that there is a change in the establishment's thought about donald trump. and i think they're hoping that some of these campaign wise men that he has brought in are going to change a little bit of his tone and tenor on the trail. martha: that is bad news for ted cruz if that is the case because he relies on that dogged commitment to getting to 1237 before you get to cleveland, right? >> well, exactly and you know, the ted cruz people are banging that not only does donald trump come up short but he that is unable to even move the needle on any of these unbound dell fats and that is why their organization of, you know, remember these delegates are chosen in a precinct convention, a county convention. sometimes a congressional district convention and a state convention.
along the way, ted cruz, and his team have operated pretty adroitly getting delegates to sign on even if they're in a state that they're bound on the first ballot to donald trump. so their thought is, he is not going to make any hay with any of the unbound delegates, donald trump that is, around they think they can stop him. martha: yeah. you know when you look at the donald trump campaign lots of stories over the past couple of days how it is evolving and the inner struggle. you saw that play out in terms of the way he referred to senator cruz the other night but then yesterday he was back out there lyin' ted, lyin' ted. he was enjoying say it so much he wanted to say it 10 times. what is your take how successful they will be at sort of hemming in, i guess donald trump to any extent? >> carl mentioned this. there is an internal battle inside of the trump campaign, letting trump be trump. start tock move towards what
consider a more presidential presentation, senator cruz, governor kasich. i think there is this battle. i do think that trump himself has said that he needs to be himself and go on the attack and kind of be out there in these speeches until he vanquishes his opponents. martha: right. >> so i don't expect that to change in the short term. martha: sound exactly like what his strategy is. lance question, we'll talk to reince priebus in just a moment. what do you think the most important thing they are determining at this meeting in florida? >> well i think that's a great question. i think the rules, whether they are going to change the rules or not i think has been the question. it sound like they're going to leave it up to the delegates. which means that you get to the week before the convention in cleveland and that is going to be a crucial week as all those people from each state are on those committees are going to be
making essentially the rules for that convention. martha: it will be amazing. very interesting. thank you so much, bret. see you tonight. >> see you, martha. martha: joining us later this hour as we just said the spring meeting of the republican national committee in florida. there is word that the group is warming to the donald trump option. we'll talk to rnc chairman reince priebus and much more coming up. bill: looking forward to this 9:00 eastern time america's town hall from the national constitution center in philadelphia. we'll preview the five states. we'll take your questions live. we'll have a few candidates come along with us as well. you can tweet questions. use the hashtag, fox news town hall or submit a question on fox news facebook page. we'll look at all of them to figure out good ones. if you're in the philly area, see us live. head to facebook.com/foxnews, you can get tickets.
we'll have several hundred people. martha: you don't need a ticket. we know you. bill: and you are good too. getting questions from voters really will be good stuff. give it a look on sunday night. martha: a great night. hope you're there with us for that. now there are new fears for flood-weary houston residents as two new city dams are said to be at risk of failing. the death toll from this catastrophic flood something now at eight. there is a huge storm dumped more than a foot of rain on that region. some rivers have not reached their crest. more rain is on the way unfortunately. watch this. >> how high will it get? we don't really know. they say another three feet. looks like it is going up more than that. martha: wow. so far the state officials estimated flooding has caused more than $5 billion in damage. bill: there is new sabre-rattling from russia. remember this last week? [engine noise]
that is a russian fighter jet buzzing our ship. moscow has a warning from for the white house about any future encounters. martha: does the guy who landed gyrocopter on capitol hill, you remember this story? does he deserve to spend a year behind bars? what do you think about that? bill: embraering admission by the u.s. department of state, that all the money freed to iran could be going to terrorists. ralph peters will address that. but first, here is rush limbaugh. >> seriously? it is entire possible iran used new cash to fund terror? state department, what an admission!
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a majority? the reason is simple, james. he can't earn a majority. he knows he can't. martha: that is senator cruz speaking about the battle for delegates amid calls for the republican party to change convention rules and make it easier for someone from the outside, so-called white knight to step into this process for those who are never trump folks if no candidate wins enough to get nomination. joining me now republican national chairman, reince priebus. good to see you this morning. >> hey, martha. martha: is that true? does rnc not want ability to bring in a white knight? will you try to make sure the rules prevent that? >> yeah, there is nothing to bring in. we're not looking to bring in anybody. what we're looking for is a nominee and the nominee has to have a majority of delegates supporting that person. and when someone get as majority of that delegates they're going to be the nominee of our party. it is same thing that abraham
lincoln enjoyed. the same thing that will happen in 2016. a lot of this is a lot of rhetoric in the end. a majority is going to rule. and that is what is going to happen. and nothing's going to change that. martha: but there are those who want that majority to be drawn from what happens at the convention and they think there are people that would be more palatable across the board to the majority and they want the option to bring in an outside person. are you saying that that will not happen? that the rules will be in place so that that can not happen? >> well, look, i mean, we have bound delegates. what that means for everyone out there is, in a particular state, if you get delegates awarded to you, in most case, almost 95% of the cases, those delegates are bound to you. even if the person -- martha: on first round, on first round? >> on the first round and on second round it, there is a
little bit less after binding mechanism. on a third round there is even less than that. if a candidate get as majority on the first ballot it's over. i mean so there is really, it is a lost conversation about, you know how many angels are dancing on a pin. but in the end it will be determined by the delegates. martha: we have a little bit of a delay. i'm trying not to step on you. i apologize if i do that. >> right. martha: so you're saying that you believe somebody will have 1237 on that first round? do you? >> i don't know. i mean, but it doesn't matter because i'm going to accept the results as to whatever they are. the point is, if it takes one ballot, or it takes five ballots, it is, the nominee of our party is going to be the person that gets a majority of the delegates on the floor of the convention or even sooner perhaps. martha: will it come, will that person come from the three remaining people who are in the race, john kasich, ted cruz, and donald trump? will it be one of them? >> right.
i said it over and over again. i find, i find a scenario other than that to be highly, highly unlikely. so it is very unlikely. martha: all right. in terms of, so the rules will not change to allow a white knight to enter. is that something you can say from the meeting that you're in right now? there is no move to change the rules so somebody could come in? >> oh, no, i have led the way on this martha. not only saying it on shows like yours as much as i can, i have called for the rnc rules committee to not make any major changes. martha: but some are not happy with that. they say we're the rules committee and we want to change the rules? >> well. i'm sure that i will have, you will see. it will get done. i'm running the committee. and i don't believe that we'll have any rules changes out of
the meeting this week. martha: let me ask you this. do you believe the never trump crowd or never trump movement is fading? >> i don't know. i don't even think about it. i'm not measuring it. i have no idea. all i know is i've got a job to do in running the party, having an open and fair convention and making sure that i try to correct the record as much as i can, in responding to 24/7 so-called experts on television that don't know what they're talking about. martha: so when you look at possibility of a contested convention, but, if never trump movement fades, right, if it is melting as there are some reports right now, that is going to make it very difficult for anybody but trump. because if he goes in there with the most delegates, even if he doesn't have 1237, then he is going to get it, is that right? >> i don't know. you have to ask their whip operation. what their number is going to be. martha: no, but i'm saying if he
falls short, if he falls short of 1237 but he has the most of everybody, do you believe that he will be the nominee? >> i don't know, martha, because if you have a plurality, that means that the field has a majority, right? that is what that means. so, that means that there is work to be done to get to a majority. i can't tell you whether or not he is going to get to a majority. we'll find that out in 90 days. or maybe sooner. martha: you know, in terms of their -- there are some who obviously question donald trump's feelings about things that republicans generally agree on and one of those is raising taxes. i want play the sound bite for you this morning and get your thoughts on it. >> do you believe in raising taxes on the wealthy? >> i do. i do. including myself. i do. martha: is that going to be a problem for him within the republican party? do you believe? >> you have to ask him about that.
i mean i'm not going to opine on individual policy statements of the candidates. it is up to them to make their own decisions and then either benefit or suffer from the comments and positions they take. i'm not going to get in the middle of that. martha: all right. reince priebus thank you very much. i know you have got your work cut out for you. they will be there until friday night or saturday morning working on all this thank you very much for being here. looking forward to see you next time. >> you bet. bill: he is the man of the hour, right? martha: got a big job. bill: will be for a couple months. president obama getting the cold showed in saudi arabia. we'll tell you who was not at airport when he arrived. moment for queen elizabeth, celebration on this very big day. ♪ my mom loves giving me advice. she even gives me advice...
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martha: some tough stuff here. a 14-year-old student gone after by a teacher's aide at a milwaukee high school. whole thing caught on cell phone video. a bit disturbing. take a look. [shouting] [bleep]. [bleep] martha: students say the 39-year-old aide got into screaming match with him and then slammed him into a table and held him on the floor. security eventually came in and broke it up. >> as soon as the school administration was told by students that this incident had occur, milwaukee police department was contacted and staff member was taken out of the classroom. >> the boy suffered minor injuries. the teacher's aide is facing charges of child abuse. we've seen a rash of discipline problems in schools across the country for variety of reasons.
bill: signs of aggression for russia over two incidents and a military vessel this is video from last week. one of those very close encounters. now russia's ambassador to nato issuing a warning to the u.s., about future confrontations. national security correspondent jennifer griffin live at pentagon. good day to you, jennifer. what has been the u.s. response to this so far? >> good morning, bill. earlier this week president obama spoke to russian president vladmir putin, but to the surprise of many he did not ask him about provocative air incidents last week in the baltic sea. expect those incidents to come up today in washington today. the incoming u.s. military commanders in europe and north america are addressing questions on russia's growing aggression during a senate armed services committee hearing that just began. snoop should we make announcement to the russians that if they place the lives of our men and women on board navy ships in danger that we will
take appropriate action? >> sir, i believe that should be known, yes. reporter: last week russia buzz ad u.s. navy devoyeur in the black sea, 31 times over two days. just days later a russian jet conduct ad barrel roll over u.s. air force spy-plane flying over the baltic sea. today's russia ambassador to nato accused the u.s. of trying to intimidate moscow by sailing a navy destroyer near russian territory during a mighting with all 28 nato members. he threatened to respond, with quote, all necessary measures. secretary of state john kerry said that the u.s. navy would have been within its rights to shoot down the russian planes which came within 30 feet of the uss donald cook. bill: very close stuff, jennifer. stay on it, from the pentagon today. martha: forget that magic number 123. trump campaign says they can get a bigger number an that that. they are here to tell us how. bill: new invention will allow you to communicate with the deaf
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bill: donald trump campaign is confident he will get more than enough delegates for that republican nomination. "washington post" obtaining a memo to trump supporters suggesting that he will end up with 1400 delegates. right now trump is at 845. his advisors project he will make up the rest with more primary wins over the next month and unbound delegates at the convention. how will that happen? sara huckabee sanders, advisor for the trump team live in little rock. good morning to you. nice to have you on our program. >> thanks for having me on, bill. bill: 1400 is more than a lot of people expect. where in the country do you get to that number starting now? >> i think we saw some of that starting to happen just this week with a huge win in new york and i think moving into next week we're going to see equal wins, big wins across the northeast in five different states. and then moving into california, indiana, i expect trump to do
extremely well, both of those places. i think you make up difference in unbound delegates. we've been very clear. we think we will get to 1237 on the very first ballot. then i think you have a lot of unbound delegates. i think roughly over 200, i think will not support somebody who is already lost at that point and will be voting for donald trump at the convention. martha: is the -- bill: is the trump team recruiting or wooing or selling itself to, not in the physical sense, to these delegates to attract them now? >> absolutely. we're not just going after delegates but we're going after every american. the trump campaign has been focused on day one from getting every single votes and person it can and if you're a delegate even better. we're completely focused on getting all the votes needed. bill: i need an example what you're doing with these delegates who may be on the fence. >> you know, in large part we're taking the message that donald
trump has been winning with this entire election cycle. i mean most people didn't think he would make it out of the summer and he has and it has been on a message of primarily economic and national security. those are the big things that keep people up at night. they want to know will they have a job and are they going to live in a safe country. we're taking that message, taking it to those people. we're also making a contrast set only person in this race that can beat hillary clinton. she is the ultimate washington insider around he is the ultimate outsider. bill: that is broad message but nothing specifically in terms of outreach or phone calls or anymore dialogues, specifically with delegates, is that what i come to understand? >> i do think there is absolutely -- we've expanded our team over recent weeks to help focus specifically on the delegate count and the delegate math. and that team is working diligently to contact and you know, court delegates directly as well as america as a whole. bill: okay.
now this from that memo. quoting now, the cruz spin machine produces more lies than anything else. our projections call for us to have a first ballot win in cleveland. we'll see whether or not that is the case. another topic now. trump was on nbc this morning. he was asked whether he would support raising taxes on wealthy. now he said he would support that. in the past he also argued that the amount of taxes that he pays toward the government is, he tries to keep lowest level possible. now how does he scare what appears to be two different representations about his views on taxes? why would he say during republican nomination fight, that he would support raising taxes on anyone, sara? >> i haven't had a chance to see that specific clip but what i do know is donald trump is extremely focused on the
american worker and that is something completely ignored not just this cycle but this in administration and frankly in the republican leadership, putting direct focus on american workers and helping empower those people to do better. so i think that is, you know, clearly his broad overall message and that is where we have to look at. again i think you draw that contrast with hillary clinton. she wants to raise taxes on everybody. bernie sanders wants to give everybody everything for free. so when you compare where donald trump is to where his potential democrat opponents are, i think the choice is extremely clear he is the only person that is fighting for american workers and can help get our economy moving. bill: one other point, do you know how he defines wealthy? >> i don't but my guess is, that he has a pretty good understanding of -- bill: is it 1%? is it 2%? what is it? >> you know, that is a question i think you would have to ask him.
i haven't had a chance to have that conversation to know where that false. bill: okay. >> i do know he probably considers himself to fall into that category, i think you're right about that. come back, sara huckabee sanders. live in little rock. >> thank you, bill. martha: there is a big celebration going on across the pond. queen elizabeth ii is celebrating her 90th birthday unveiling a plaque in windsor marks the her as the longest reigning monarch. this is beautiful photo by an ae leibowitz surrounding by her grandchildren and great grandchildren. benjamin hall is live to talk to us about it. what does the celebration look like? reporter: martha a very big day here in england. this is a day of mile stones. up and down the country, tens of thousands people have been
coming out to help her celebrate. the queen is in windsor with her husband prince phillip, walking around city with thousands of people came, some who waited up to three days to get a good spot. there were gun salutes midday around the country, from london to scotland to celebrate the first u.k. monarch to reach 90. queen elizabeth ii has been queen more than 60 years. that is the longest of the brittish rather than. overseeing peace in northern islander, end of the cold war. some events. politicians have come and gone and she has been constant that makes her such an affects gnat monarch to us. martha -- affectionate. martha: she has more than one birthday which is little unusual. most of us get one, ben. what is that about? reporter: comes down the weather really. ever since 1148 monarchs have actually birthday when they were
born and official birthday in the ninth month of the year. she would spend the actual birthday with her family, because of the significance of 90th year she chose to spend it with the team people, sharing a cake with them. her official birthday is june 11th. that is much larger formal event. we wait for that. here in london front pages of any of the papers how loved she is. her face is everywhere. people on the street celebrating. a big day for everyone here in england. martha? martha: approval ratings people have a bit of a struggle with here in the united states but her approval ratings are pretty sky-high. ben, thank you very much. good to see you. reporter: thank you. bill: president obama getting the cold shoulder in saudi arabia. what is up with the less than welcome today? ralph peters on that. martha: this softball game, we'll tell you what in the world was going on there. look at that! ♪
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bill: former boston red sox star curt shill something a free agent. he has been fired from is -- espn. he was dismissed off comments he made about gender people. a man is man no matter what they call themselves. now you need laws telling us differently? pathetic. response in apparent state laws restricting restroom access. in a statement, the espn is inclusive company. curt schilling is advised his conduct was unacceptable and his employment with espn has been terminated. shilling argued strongly against that decision in his defense. shilling retired baseball seven years ago, ending his career with more than 3100 strikeouts. martha: there is definite chill in the desert air. president obama arriving in
saudi arabia to a smaller than usual welcome party. king salman did not greet the president at the airport. he was met by a lower ranking royal governor of riyadh apparently, a signal saudi leaders remain keptable about the nuclear deal with iran and our alliance with them. lieutenant colonel ralph peters is a fox news strategic analyst. good to have you here as morning, sir. is that a big deal? >> well the saudi are having a hissy fit because they're used to getting their way. to president obama's credit he has not always given them their way. the iran deal is certainly a bad deal overall but the the saudi are also miffed there is prospect of releasing 2unredacted pages from the 9/11 report that allegedly show saudi accomplice at this time in 9/11 attacks. saudis don't want be to sued in court by survivors of 9/11 and they have gotten their way so long in the united states because there is spread so much
money around washington. even "the washington post" has a great article today about the saudi lobbying efforts. defense contractors make a lot of money. the saudis really spoiled brats. we don't need -- four decades after the oil shocks of 1970s, it hasn't dawned on our government that we don't need the saudis anymore but they need us desperately. we don't need their misogyny and wahibi cult that poisons american muslims and muslims globally. which inspires al qaeda and as nusra and isis. we don't need their oil. about time united states stood up to the saudis hey, no more support for terror but looks like we probably folded again. martha: a lot of people think the saudi royal family which is wahabist and terrorists which are a radical version of wahhabism, that they have, you know, sort of protected themselves over these years by looking the other way in certain instances when it comes to the
radical groups that have mined their terror and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people around the world. there is an interesting piece this morning in "the washington post" by zari if, the foreign minister of iran talking about this. here is what he says. he says these actors are seeing their fortunes plummet. he is talking about the saudis in step with oil prices, the extremest lost souls are terrorizing others in the wider world. we, iranians have not launched a war in more than two centuries and continue to make unequivocal commitment of never commencing such foolishness. what do you think about that, ralph? >> well he is partly right. we should always remember north korean citizens have more rights than women in saudi arabia. iranian women have far more rights than saudi women. but the idea that the iranians
don't wars, if they don't start them, they certainly exacerbate them. we've seen, the shia, their shia militias backed in iraq killed a lot of americans. right now they're very active in syria supporting the assad regime with russia's help. there are no good guys in the region. we always look for white hat good guys. they're not there! and we need to fundamentally rethink our non-exist lent gulf strategy, not for the 1970s but for 2016 and beyond we need to stop being patsies for people who hate us, underminus and support terror. martha: so the most powerful way we could do that is energy independence, right? >> yes, absolutely, martha. the saudis, one of the targets of oil price war right now is indeed iran but a key target is american fracking. look i'm an environmentalist.
i have real reservations about fracking but national security trumps everything else. energy independence for the united states is critical. and we don't need the saudis anymore. and it is time we move from this illusion, this lie, that we're friends and base our policy towards the saudis and gulf arab s on strictly transactional basis. we need this, you need that, we support us on that basis. they are not good allies and they are behind the funding of terror still today. martha: when you listen to presidential candidates say, look, we need people in the region to turn against isis and to turn against all islamic radicals, many of whom are of the wahabist faith we're discussing, do you believe that the saudis will ever be the people to turn against these individuals and these groups and banish them forever? will they be the player in that
that some of these candidates believe they can make them become? >> no. although to be fair, the saudis, they don't like isis, they don't like al qaeda because, they opened pandora's box and the snakes are coming out. now the snakes are starting to bite them. so the saudis now want us to fix the problem they have created. i am all for killing terrorists wherever we find them around the world. i am not for using american blood to protect the bigots of saudi arabia. martha: terrorist west talk about, originally, go back to their roots, they were offended, to put it mildly, at the royal family. they think that they do not represent the pure verse of their religion. so they have been real threatening to the royal family. this is cozy relationship to try to keep them under wraps so they can stay in power, right? >> exactly right. they basically tried to bribe terrorists, taking away from saudi arabia, kill people elsewhere but you know, at the
end of the day, you know, i wish our president could say islamist fanaticism or islamist terror but he can't. but at the end of the day true religious fanatics are never satisfied. it is never pure enough. it is never good enough. the saudis wahhabism is a fanatical cult itself but the terror it has unleashed is coming back to bite the saudis and everybody else in the world. there is no good ending here. martha: ralph, thank you very much. good stuff. see you next time. bill: jon scott coming up next on "happening now." good stay to you. good morning. >> good morning, bill. all eyes turn to the primaries next week in five suddenly important states, connecticut, delaware, maryland, pennsylvania and rhode island voters all head to the polls. we have new poll numbers. plus chris wallace, karl rove, larry sabato for analysis where the race stands right now. fascinating morning ahead. we'll see you top of the hour. bill: thank you, jon. ten minutes away. a new form of technology that
bill: take a look at gloves. the gloves on the screen can translate sign language into speech. two university of washington students created them. here is small example how it works. >> my name is thomas and this is navid. we are inventtores in the mit student prize. competition. bill: nice. chris warren, senior tech correspondent for national.com. very cool, cool stuff. how does it work. what is in the gloves?
>> they have motion detection censors inside gloves to pick up on movements of your fingers and wrists. what is basically does it translates those movements over bluetooth to computer. computer looks at database of signs, says the person's name. that will translate it into speech. bill: really remarkable stuff. >> fan at that time tick. bill: they're undergrad students? >> undergrad students. bill: project in connection with? >> mit. they went to the university of washington and won the mit prize. this is cool, the idea works with a computer, you can imagine it would work with a smartphone app a the some point in the future. bill: we've not seen this physically yet what is the delay time? is it instant, if i make a sign, reads out on the iphone? >> there is a delay, but pretty minimal. depends on how good the database of signs is. that is, right now, prove of concept. it is working but that ising that they will need time prove. bill: you can imagine just the endless possibilities here now, right? >> yeah. bill: if this can be done, how
else could we perhaps utilize it? >> that is the interesting thing. obviously sign language is great area to help people who are deaf or hard of hearing communicate but you can imagine people wanting to do other gestures or environments where you're making signs not necessarily sign language but wanting to translate what's happening. it is very cool. bill: i saw it, wow, what took us so long. >> i agree, so. bill: so far we've come so fast. >> absolutely. great stuff. bill: nice to see you. martha. martha: candidates spending quite a bit of time on east coast. we'll see how things are shaping up less than a week away from the next big primaries on tuesday night.
game in virginia. they ran away, some stood by. what the heck is that? look at that thing. and then it went up into the air, bill. an apparition bill: you know what they call that? martha: i call it a ghost. bill: ghost runner. we have a ghost runner on third. we've got to go. it's the night by everybody. see you tomorrow. the one we have brand-new developments in the race for the white house with five northeast primaries just days away. good morning to you. i jon scott. heather: i'm heather, in for jenna lee. the republican presidential candidates all say they are in it for the long haul and they are prepared to go all the way to the convention in cleveland. donald trump, senator ted cruz and