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it's enough. >> but they are not, are they? an appeals court ruling 2-1, you are going to be suspended four games. can't get away from it. i'll explain later. here's "the five" now. >> hello. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." the eve of another big election day. donald trump could sweep all five contests in the east tomorrow. he has a double digit lead in all of them. they know they can no longer mathematically clinch the nomination. they have a plan. cruz and kasich are coordinating their efforts of stop trump in three states. kasich is on the sideline for indiana's primary and cruz out in oregon and new mexico.
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they talked about their agreement on the trail today. >> it is big news today that john kasich decided to pull out of indiana to give us a head-to-head contest with donald trump. that is good for the men and women of indiana and the people of the country. i understand donald will whine. that's what he does. donald is a sore loser. >> the two of us are competing to win the nomination and to make sure we can steward or resources to stop hillary clinton. what donald trump needs to understand is he cannot beat hillary clinton. >> i'm not campaigning in indiana and he's not campaigning in other states. that's all. that's all it is. not a big deal. >> as you can imagine, hmm, trump has a few things to say about it. >> if you callude in business or the stock market, they put you in jail.
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in politics, because it's a rigged system, a corrupt enterprise, in politics you are alo allowed to callude. it shows how weak they are and pathetic they are. ka sit, he's won one race in 41. now look at kasich, i don't think he knows -- did you see him? he has a news conference all the time when he's eating. i have never seen a human being eat in such a disgusting fashion. i watched cruz. he's all mixed up because he's losing so badly. under pressure, he is like a basket case. >> oh, my goodness. you knew he wasn't going to take kindly.
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you heard the juxtaposition of how they did this and how kasich said it. >> when i heard this is going on, it's like why are they doing this? they are playing where trump wants them to play. trump has been saying it's us versus them, i'm the outsider, they are washington, d.c., they are the establishment, us against them. then they decide to get together and do exactly what trump is saying d.c. is about. this is the first point that is going to play in trump's favor. number two, when i heard cruz say kasich pulled out of indiana, i thought oh, my god. when kasich hears this, he's going to fire back. the point, be sure you know who you are getting in bed with and the other wants to get in bed with you otherwise, it could be ugly. if it works, you have contested convention. everyone is going to say the republicans are divided. if it doesn't work, you have handed the whole thing to donald trump. i didn't think that was a
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sensible thing to do it. the third point, it's ugly from the outsiders watching this from afar, they do play by a different set of rules on a day by day by sis. i think it's going to backfire for them. >> he didn't know what the word meant. when henry asked hillary clinton, what does it mean, don't pretend like you don't know. collusion, what are you talking collusion? ted cruz saysit it's not a big deal. i'm going to vote. what is it? this is the worst play ever. no one is on the same page. rubio tried to say this, kasich has no shot, i'll pull out. kasich said what are you talking about? i'll take my four votes. it makes no sense as if they did not speak.
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>> donald trump points this out. in the business world, if you did this, you would go to jail. if coke and pepsi got together to wipe out another competitor, they would be broken up. no, you can't do that. someone would get in trouble. may wink, do a nod. they market themselves. it's the same thing. >> kasich is more fair about it than -- >> it shows how ugly politics can be. >> david, what did you think of the strategy and speaks to the campaign. how do you think, benefit cruz more than kasich? >> there's a reason it hasn't happened before now. it's really hard. if you are a candidate that's been raising money, have supporters in various states, it's hard to admit you are not going to get to the 1247 and work with another partner. i think collusion is a terrible word for it. it's a strategy. it may not work. it looks at desperation.
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it may work. if i were donald trump, i, of course, my advice would be different for him anyway. consider me the hayes of fox news. remember her? the republican who worked in the west wing for department on the show. they pulled her out of the basement once in awhile. what do you think? it was only her opinion. i'm her at the moment. if i were donald trump, i wouldn't have addressed this. what he did is revert back to what everyone was praising him for not doing last week, being so presidential. he had to attack them personally. he doesn't like to be handled. here, try this. people like me like this. we like it. we are watching it laughing. i think if i were him, i would let my surrogates handle cruz and kasich who are so desperate, so far below and so far behind in the delegate count. he could use today to attack
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hillary clinton. i'm going to be the general election candidate, i will show you i can beat her. that would have been a different way. >> we know he has surrogates rather than his family. >> he has more. >> a new national poll showing the margin of error -- >> why not try to collude on tuesday, tomorrow? may 3, i'm going to affect the race. and later on in oregon. why not collude tomorrow? if you combine kasich's number and cruise's number. >> tomorrow, trump has a 25 to 30 point lead. >> take all five. >> that's the pountz. that's the big story here, the numbers, the poll numbers are overwhelming for trump tomorrow. in five states, 100 plus 70. he wraps that up. what we are talking about are states like indiana. when you get to indiana, then you are trying to block trump
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from having 1372 or whatever it is, 71. >> 1237. >> 1237. if you can stop trump and you are cruz, you think you have now. over the weekend, cruz, a number of people who promised to vote for him, if you come to a second round of voting at the convention. it's a smart move for ted cruz. for kasich, it's a desperation. it's a move that says if we get there, i can make the case that my numbers are sufficient to beat hillary clinton. guess what? ted cruz doesn't have that. that's his play in the game. i think donald trump, as dana was saying, he didn't need to respond. he's in great shape. you notice he is focused heavily on indiana. that's because -- >> he should be. >> that's where they are focused. that's where this new team, trump. this idea that it helps donald trump, no, it doesn't help.
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it might help with people already voting for him. what we are talking about is can he unify the republican party. >> you don't think some people will say i kind of like ted cruz z, i like john kasich, but now they are going to try to conspire -- >> no. you know, it might be an issue for people who feel the republican party is -- those people are already voting for trump. they are not voting for -- >> i don't know. it's certainly an all in strategy. not donald trump. he can still lose indiana and go forward. if he wins indiana, i would say cruz and kasich put them in. if it doesn't work there -- >> they need the contested conventi convention. that's the bottom line. >> i think the fox poll has cruz within five. can kasich, not spending money, get in the five points? it's possible, however the
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people who don't vote for kasich, trump might be their number two. >> i think kasich has 19% in indiana, right? >> 19 or 20. >> that's a lot. that's a lot. remember -- >> why do i have to leave? he's out of the game. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> i agree. i don't think he should have given it up at all. >> i don't think it's collusion. that's donald trump's word because of the illegality. >> back out of the contract. >> perception becomes reality. >> win to defeat the other guy and try to win -- it reeks. it's like politics, we don't do that. >> imagine politics -- are you kidding? >> tell your kid to -- >> game of survivor. >> exactly. i thought this was reality tv election. >> did you watch "game of
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thrones"? they do it all the time. >> one more thought from hayes. >> cruz and kasich, it's sort of like, let's say they have family businesses and they are about to be taken other by the corporation, the hedge funds coming in, they know their dreams, their family business is over, they want to stave it off as long as possible, so they get together to make a bigger corporation to go forward and not have the hospital takeover. it may not work. sorry dad, we lost the business. then the republican party -- >> it's not a takeover by trump approving kasich, it's the voters, the customers. >> that's right. i'm saying -- >> they decided to go to the big company. >> not all of them. not all of them, exactly. >> okay. if you want to use that metric, 90 something per cecent of the republicans don't want kasich
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and 80% don't want cruz. >> he's out here, i'm out there. anyway. before we go, two programming notes, trump and cruz will both be on hannity tonight. tune in for the exclusive interviews at 10:00 p.m. eastern. tomorrow night, an extra hour of "the five." at midnight, live breaking down the results of tomorrow's battle for the east. we hope you join us. ahead, liberals love to demonize koch. they must have been shocked when they heard what he had to say about the presidential race. that's next. ♪ ♪ with a full tank of freedom, ♪ find your own highway ♪ we'll take you wherever you go. ♪
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x1 makes it easy to find what you love. call or go online and switch to x1. only with xfinity. a lot of democrats, like me, have taken issue with donald trump's foreign policy position, including banning muslims from entering the united states. i never thought billionaire gopkoch would be in it. >> that's to our approach. what was worse was this, we'll
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have them all register. that's reminiscent of nazi germany. >> when you hear about presidential candidate hearing the carpet bombing and making the sand glow? >> that's got to be hyperbole, that a candidate, whether they believe it or not, appeals to the american people. that's frightening. >> he blew my mind. >> is it possible another clinton could be better than another republican? >> it's pospossible. >> you couldn't see yourself supporting hillary clinton, could you? >> her actions would have to be different than her rhetoric, let me put it that way. before we could support another republican, we would have to believe their actions are different than the rhetoric we
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have heard so far. >> wow. how does hillary feel about koch's support? >> not interested in endorsements from people who deny climate science and try to make it harder forpeople to vote. >> she should be so lucky to get his support thch. this is not a surprise to me. if you know where the koch family puts their contributions, they are noninterventionists. who they choose to support with children's groups and hospitals. they are well known and well regarded fiphilanthropists. this isn't inconsistent at all. >> they have typically supported republican causes. i think to myself, look at the
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republicans right now lining up against trump. these guys don't like him. >> they don't. they should not have blown your mind when one of the koch brothers said that. they are for wider, more open borders. that shouldn't blow your minds they are for that. what should have blown your mind is how hillary clinton took what he said and turned it into an endorsement. it was not an endorsement. it was simply, where would you be? her actions would have to be bimp different than the rhetoric. he called it an endorsement. >> he didn't endorse her. on the democratic side, we thought maybe he was trying to harm her by appearing to support her? her supporters are not going to line up with charles koch, i can tell you that.
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part of this is the republicans are falling apart, i better get in with hillary. >> i don't think i have anybody to vote for, that's what i got from it. he's not a loan. a lot of people feel that way. koch brothers are for economic mobility. she handled that terribly. why not say look how bad the republican party is that they are now looking to me and leave it at me, not disavow them. add not sub tretracsubtract. >> threw climate change in. >> it's how climate change and the koch brothers, this is anti-religion to the democrats. they think the koch brothers are evil. harry reid said their names on the floor of the united states senate to try to demonize them. >> part of the argument is, you
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know, if the redskpublicans are falling apart, hillary clinton is not as bad because when her husband was in government, he limited government growth more so than president bush. >> it's not an endorsement. jonathan called it a great interview. they chose to tease it saying he chose to endorse hillary clinton. >> he's not a skilled politician. i think that when you have charles koch, he's somebody that cares about the country, very patriotic. he said in the interview, there's too many tax breaks for the rich, it is for the rich. he staid system is skewed against those who need welfare. he's said a bunch of things. he's disappointed in the field. when i watch that, they don't
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watch the show. i didn't see endorsement in hillary clinton. i'll endorse her. she changes everything she believes. >> going to have to be change between the rhetoric and reality. i came away thinking he's into bernie sanders not donald trump. so many rich people don't want to get behind a republican. that might be good for the republican image. they are looked at as for the rich. >> ahead, virginia governor's trying to swing his swing state toward hillary clinton by giving ex-cons the right to vote. some of my friends think so. we'll debate it next. i am benedict arnold, the infamous traitor. and i know a thing or two about trading. so i trade with e*trade, where true traders trade on a trademarked trade platform that has all the...
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for the first time in more than a century, convicted felons will be allowed to vote in virginia. they restored rights to 200,00 ex-cons on friday. it could be an overreach outside the legislature that points to -- before the election. the governor denies that and offers this to his critics. >> i would tell the republicans, quit complaining and go out and earn these folks right to vote for you. i would tell them to be careful how they frame this, very careful. they have an opportunity to go out and get these individual voters to vote for them. >> he likens his action to one of america's greatest presidents. >> i stood in front of our capital and erased 115 years. abraham lincoln freed the slaves 100 years ago in april.
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it was the right thing to do morally. >> i don't think the governor would be getting much blowback from folks if he had done this with the legislature. and if he had not included violent offenders. what do you think? >> exactly. the timing was clearly aimed at when the legislature broke up and prior to the upcoming vote. clearly, it was the reason to do that. mcauliffe was advicer to hillary clinton in 2008 and, bill clinton and he worked at the white house as well. the problem is what you noted, it doesn't distinguish between a murderer and rapist and a guy that books a bet on the ravens game. they both can be felonies in virginia. it doesn't matter. there's a blanket amnesty getting your voting rights back. petition the state to get the
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voting right back. it's worked up until now. why now? why the sudden change? >> if that's right, petition the government, in this case t governor of virginia. he has the power. when people say i don't think it's constitutional, it doesn't hold up. it holds up, he did it while the legislature was out. your point was gist there. >> someone who rape's people and someone with a lower level felony. >> they should be in jail -- once they serve their sentence i think you paid your debt to society. what we see here is the racial component. i think one out of every five black people in virginia is affected by this law. half of the people who were banned right now are black and nationally, you have to remember, nationally, 28 states have done what terry mcauliffe did. people are saying, this is about
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this enfranchisement. this is not about criminals. >> it's going to play out in virginia. there would be a lawsuit as well. i want to ask you about his advice. republican,s, instead of complaining, go out and earn their vote. there might be merit to that, what do you think? >> of course he can say that. at the same time, it's intention. it's not about justice and victim's rights, it's about paying your debt and your dues. if you want to vote, do not go out and commit violent crimes in the community. it's that simple. the ability to vote should be something people respect, that they value, that they don't toss away to commit some crime and look at the
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if you are going to compare to lincoln, let others do that. there is a bipartisan movement. governor cane and mcdonald, when they won, they were asked about the constitutionality of it. they said it wasn't. >> let the courts decide. >> president obama announced he will spend 250 forces to syria to fight isis. is that enough? stay tuned.
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did you hear about this? the united states is expanding
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military in syria. president obama is sending up to 250 more special operators to help local forces fight isis. i spoke to a former general of u.s. forces in afghanistan earlier. he says the move won't amount to direct action and called it three dimensional check. >> attack in isis is in our self-interest. the rebel's self-interest. that's why you hear about four syrian rebels trained after millions of dollars spent. we are sending a special forces, green beret to train forces. >> who there aren't many of. here is the white house with more on the mission. >> the mission they are being gimpb is not to go into syria and engage in the enemy, to engage isil. they are not being sent there on a combat mission, they are on a
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mission to, again, be advising, assisting and supporting the forces fighting on the ground. >> that's good news, america. we are not going to engage the enemy. dana? >> it makes me feel better. >> fantastic. >> they are getting into the warfare petraeus used in iraq in the surge and in afghanistan in 2001. it would be al qaeda and the taliban. i think they should have been doing this in 2011. had they, we wouldn't be sending more special operators with less capability and no strategy. and it probably would have helped at least present or slowed down considerably the migrant crisis that is in europe and threatening to hurt our country, too. >> infiltrating refugees and the rhetoric is hot and the other problem is, kimberly, 250 special operators not fighting isis with rebels that want to fight assad.
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rebels don't want to fight isis unless isis engage them. the people we are supporting and training want to get rid of assad. >> seems like we do. we are trying to train the people who want to take down assad. what kind of mess is this? 250 special forces because president obama doesn't want to commit ground forces to defeat isis. this is not moving the ball down the court or whatever you want to say to defeat isis. it's shamable. it's bad strategy. don't expect anyone to take up our back on this. the trip he took was a complete disaster, unmitigated. there's going to be no support from allies to push this forward. >> it comes after his trip to saudi arabia. >> right. >> which didn't go well. >> eric, deep thinking? >> i'm thinking two things, 250,
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what's that going to do? i hate to put people over there that could be in harms way when we don't know the country right now. you have the anti-assad forces, isis. russia comes in. it's -- i have said this consistently, the best thing to do is support the kurds, peshmerga and push everyone back into syria. let them figure that out. >> he's not going provide the kurds with the weaponry he's been promising for years. >> the one thing we can agree, isis is our enemy. take out isis. isis gives birth to islamic extremists that allow them to flourish. wipe them out before they affect the region. >> infection has spread, doctor. there are radical islamics in
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afri africa, europe, you can go across -- what it means is you have to do it strategically. today, the president was meeting with the italians, french and germans in germany. the fact you are going to put in the additional forces. itis not only 250, there's a large force of americans. i say enough in terms of advisers. they are on the ground, trying to figure out how we can get people on the ground to act aggressively and effectively against isis and use cyber security to take action. >> logical, but it should have been done three years ago. today, the front page of the new york times, we are going to use cyber attacks. really? take your time. you should have been doing it three years ago. you have done nothing to stop it. >> be careful about the civilians on the ground. they have given up on it. >> the one that is are left. >> that's the problem. what dana is talking about.
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>> you know who we are supporting? >> we are not pro-assad. >> really? >> assad forces ended upbeating isis. >> it's a problem. the free syrian force is posting online with the other terrorist organizations. that's who -- >> you are into this. thanks so much. straight ahead, on a lighter note, dawson, beyonce knowles and tom brady coming up in the fastest 7. we'll talk about a
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welcome back. time for -- the fastest seven minutes on television. three stories, seven minutes, one principle host. check out dawson. dropped this bombshell on the hillary campaign. >> we are fending for ourselves right now. we are literally under attack for not just supporting the other candidates.
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i'm with monica lewinsky on this, bullying is bad. she's actually dedicated her life now to talking about that. now, as a campaign strategy, we are being pullied. somehow, that is okay and not being talked about with the richness it needs to. >> i'm with you. wasting no time, senator sanders pushed back. just kidding, he doubled down. >> rosario is a great actress and doing a great job for us. she's a passionate supporter. our job rikt now is to contrast our views compared to secretary clinton. that's what a campaign is about. >> did sanders do the right thing there? >> he's trying to win. their strategy and colluding on the democratic side to determine the best language to use.
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bring up lewinsky and hillary clinton those are fighting words. they have -- democrats have factored in monica lewinsky and it doesn't matter. i don't know if it was worth the while. >> it was brave and passionate. she's very nice, i have met her before in san francisco. she doesn't try to do what is most popular. she's been authentic. what i thought was interesting is bernie sanders backed her up and didn't throw her under the bus. >> interesting. the path to sanders being the candidate is unlikely. this is positioning going forwards for him. is that the right position for him? >> no. but, i mean, i'm trying to think whar , what is the point. if she's trying to skewer hillary clinton by bringing up monica lewinsky, she said it's about bullying, but it's absurd.
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she is trying to bring up monica lewinsky. how does that help bernie sanders and hurt hillary clinton? >> i see how it hurts hillary. >> you are looking too deeply. sanders people are pushed to get out. she can call up bernie sanders, get him on the phone tomorrow. she's a successful, famous actress. she feels it. we worked hard. we have defied the odds. i'm not going to be pushed out. give me a microphone. >> like a dog that doesn't want to go to the bath. i'm not going. >> beyonce revealed her much anticipated album, a world premier special for lemonade. ♪ you don't love me like i love you ♪ ♪ they don't love you like i
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love you ♪ ♪ they don't love you like i love you ♪ ♪ there's no other man above you ♪ ♪ what a way to treat the girl that loves you ♪ ♪ they don't love you like i love you ♪ >> i didn't even think that sounds like her. where was she, cuba? >> world premier, hbo special. >> the way she puts out music is setting the trend. she breaks barriers with this stuff. the gossip is about her relationship with her husband and whether or not they are having trouble. to me, what was interesting is how deep and intimate and personal and the idea she's saying, you go through stages of grieving through various things in life. >> dana? >> i admire her in terms of an international superstar. the way she rolled out this new album shows women are very
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creative and are at the top of their game in the museic industry. >> have they ever heard of private counseling? she's doing a video about infidelity with her famous husband. isn't that embarrassing. >> a lot of property damage. >> if they need album sales, cut an album, people will buy it. >> remember the elevator video? jay-z is allegedly over this possible infidelity with another person. i'll get yelled at by saying a name. remember when this happened? >> i have a process i go through before every game. i pick the balls that i want to -- the footballs i want to use for the game. when i picked those footballs out, at that point, you know, to me, they are perfect. i feel like i have always played
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within the rules. i would never do anything to break the rules. >> today, federal appeals overturned it. therefore brady will sit out the first four days of the upcoming season. get it? >> it's not about tom brady. i think he won. he got to play. >> no he didn't. >> he got to play last year. >> he got to play four games. >> next year. he got to play this season. now it's about the rules. >> the judge made the comment, he was come police sent, wasn't honest, 2-1. brady knew about it, he didn't need to do it. he was looking for an edge. people lost their jobs because of that and he destroyed his phone to stop the trail. >> if he would have helped the guys that lost their job, it would have been more forgivable.
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pennsylvania. hershey great. it was a lot of fun. everybody was wonderful, thank you for coming out and for the support for "the five." here is something funny that happened. before the show, we were getting ready go out and i said are you ready? he said, hey, there's been a change. so, i'm going to go on for 30 minutes then you on for five, is that okay? i thought it was funny, like a joke. i tweeted that. everyone believed he actually cut me out of the show, he didn't, i got to perform as well. trying to help him. people were mad. it was fun. >> eric? >> big announcement. our colleague here at fox news, her book comes out tomorrow. you can preorder it now "tied up in knots." how women have let guys off the hook in relationships to their own detriment. she exposes how we are a nation
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opposed to intimacy. remind us what we want out of life, love and work. congratulations, andrea. >> she wrote a column about it this weekend. spend some money this weekend, buy the book. this is actually very for people who love the military like we do, this is very nice. this is world war ii dog tag found in a yord returned to a family. can you imagine this? brothers in law were planting trees in portland when they found the dog tag. through online research, they found out who they belonged to. it was mary, born in 1920 and passed away six years ago from colon cancer. she was enlisted in the women's army, believe it or not. they met up with the nephew, handed them back. it was quite an emotional reunion with that. very, very nice.
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>> all right. well, it was a big, big weekend in chicago for my son tony, antonio and his bride-to-be. they had a bridal shower this weekend. there they are opening gifts in chicago. the wedding is memorial day. the whole family lined up. erica is the oldest and antonio with my wife who went out for the big event. she won a teacup and tea kettle at the bridal shower. they had a great time. thanks so much for welcoming my son into their family. >> very nice. >> congratulations to you and your family and american airlines for standing up. the tsa is destroying america. they say they are understaffed. the lines are so long, 6,800 people missed their flight. if you have been to the airport, it's the most aggravating thing yet. tsa says what do you want?
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you cut our budget. nobody takes responsibility. we all miss our flight, we carry the bag. >> tsa are big fans of the show. >> thank you tsa. ganging up on trump. ted cruz and john kasich come together in what the front-runner calls a horrible act of collusion and desperation. this is "special report." good evening, welcome to washington, i'm bret baier. the proverb has new means in the never a dull moment increasingly cut throughout republican race. ted cruz and kasich are joining forces to stop a donald trump nomination. it could receive a major boost during five primaries tuesday. we have fox team


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