tv Americas Newsroom With Bill Hemmer and Martha Mac Callum FOX News April 27, 2016 6:00am-8:01am PDT
and then in the "after the show show" we'll be talking with marilu henner and her husband, michael brown. "changing normal, how i helped my husband beat cancer." you had a perfect memory so that was handy in recounting the trips to the doctor's office. >> yeah, it was help bill: good morning. how big you a night was this? it was so big, not even donald trump predicted it, grabbing more pledged delegates and improving his chances of winning that nomination. martha: good morning. i'm martha maccallum. it was not the results senator cruz and john kasich were hoping for. but they are not giving up the fight. but donald trump says it's time for them to call it quits. >> i consider myself the presumptive nominee.
we should heal the republican party and unify the people. >> if this were a trump rally, i would be encouraging people to punch him even as he comes here and tries to scream and yell and insult have much following the trump pattern, i'm running to be his president as well as i'm running to be everyone's president. bill: trump with a commanding lead in the delegate race. steven hayes, senior writer', what does this do for trump's campaign? >> it gets him more delegates.
he seems to have done well with pledged delegates and he seems to have done well with the unbound delegates in pennsylvania. bill: nate silver had a list of 54 unpledged delegates on his site. i counted 36 of the 54 that will most likely be in trump's column. they are going to support him or support the person who wins their district. he won every county. >> he's going to win a number of unbound delegates which gets him even closer to the 1,237. it was a grim night for ted cruz. the cruz folks say we knew it would be a bad night coming into it. but the fact that cruz lost in
some cases to john kasich hurts his argument to be the main alternative to donald trump, even though he has far more delegates than john kasich does. trump hasn't done as well out west. we think we have the chance. bill: what does this suggest about this alliance or was that even in play in the northeast? >> it was about six weeks late. the result was a disaster. you had john kasich save he was engaging his alliance but not really. the rollout allowed trump to say look at these guys. this is an act of desperation. i think trump made a persuasive argument. it wasn't collusion. i think trump went one step too far.
but he could marshall that argument. >> is that point now has the water gone over the levy. >> what i expect to see this week, we have seen the normalization of donald trump. where you have establishment figures who have been resistant to trump becoming less hostile to trump. marco rubio who suggested at some point he might be never trump. in the last week saying maybe he could support him. you heard trump boasting about this last night. trump saying you wouldn't believe the calls from people who used to hate me. i think you will see this bandiningd thisbandwagon effect.
bill: if cruz can flip indiana and change the state, what are we talking about next wednesday. >> then we are talking about potentially a contested convention. bill: thanks, steve. martha: hillary clinton winning last night but bernie sanders vowing to continue on. >> their approach is not going to build an america where we increase equality. >> we'll bring in more money to make colleges tuition free.
wall street may not like it, but i could care less what wall street likes. martha: mike, how has clinton tried shifting her focus, do you think. reporter: hillary clinton's top aides say it's prudent and necessary to prepare for the general election. clinton won four out of the five. that's the city where the democrats hold their convention this summer. donald trump accused her of calling the woman card. she is calling for her party to unite. >> i applaud bernie sanders to join us in giving greater emphasis to closing the gap of
inequality, whether you support senator sanders or me there will be is much more that unites us than divides us. reporter: delegates not want to go offend sanderser his supporters. martha: he's getting calls to get out of this race as well. reporter: he issued a statement late last night saying quote the people in every state in this country should have the right to determine who they want as president, what the agenda of the democratic party should be. that's why we are in this race until the last vote is cast. >> we taking on the most powerful political organization in america. when we began this campaign, we were about 3% in the national polls.
we were about 60 points behind secretary clinton. a lot has happened in the last year. reporter: and materials starting his day in west virginia. i should note that and materials is losing. but the crowd size was estimated to be five times larger than clinton's. martha: he has been able to turn people out in such huge numbers. bill: five states on the line, i'll show you the results we are getting in almost entirely. trump won every county. not every delegate, but every county in the state of rhode island. neighboring connecticut to the west. every county is purple for donald trump. pop out to pennsylvania. this one outstanding county here. don't know what's going on here. everything else is purple act
map for trump. in the state of maryland. 87% of the vote counted so far, all trump. over in delaware it's all purple. donald trump has won every county in every state last night. no one predicted that. no one in politics. no one in media, no one in the campaigns. on the delegate mark. trump starts the morning at 950. he's 287 delegates shy of that magic number of 1,237. we think nebraska goes for cruz. trump wins most of them in indiana. and west virginia.
new mexico. trump gets 10. 09 in california, and will take all 51 we do believe in new jersey which puts him at 1,215. that will be 22 mentioned delegates shy of the nomination outright at 1,237. then we come back to pennsylvania. what we talked about with steve hayes, is that enough to put him over on the first ballot. you start to widen this number as we move down toward the calendar. this will change and we'll update you the best as we can as we move throughout the day and throughout the week. last night was something else. martha: one thing to keep in mind is when you get through that last primary in california, you have several week before you get to the convention. some of those mentioned delegates can be won over. if you are in the area where
there is 22 delegates before you get to cleveland. no doubt the trump campaign would like to have those sewn up so there is no question of the 1,237 when they walk through that door. he's optimistic about indiana, as well. he said i have been talking about the carrier company that moved overseas. he said before i even knew indiana would be a big deal i was talking about that. here is what's coming up after a string of losses to donald trump, ted cruz is going after the media. legitimate complaints? or too little too late. bill: the dilemma facing the republican party. first newt gingrich with sean last night. >> if trump come out of new
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in the republican party saying horrible things about donald trump. now they will have a lovefest and sing kumbaya. bill: that's what the parties do. >> you have had extreme comments made about donald trump unlike we have seen in any other cycle. hillary clinton has high negatives but not as high as donald trump has. if his core constituency is older white males, you can't win an election with just that constituency. look what he said last night about hillary clinton playing the woman card. that turned off a lot of people.
bill: peoplebill. including mrs. christie. bill: i wasn't sure how she was reacting. >> we haven't seen such enthusiasm across the board. that's why he won all counties. people want to win as republicans and i think independent will come his way as well. >> you and i have done a number of segments together. up until recently you were shaking your head. now you are jumping on the band wagon. you couldn't believe this guy would represent your party. bill: here is the former speaker from last year. >> you see the momentum building. i think it would be very, very hard, virtually impossible to stop him from getting the nomination.
he won. the problem for the republican establishment is to get over it. >> big challenge. bill: brad? >> i'm over it. donald trump wasn't my first choice. but i'm not going to dessert my party. i think a lot of the things donald trump brought to the party are a positive, not a negative. >> do you have a clothes pin for your nose when you go to vote? >> i won't need one. >> i don't speak for the democratic party but i think they would be happy if donald trump was the nominee of the
republican party. martha: donald trump will deliver his first foreign policy speech. can he change the minds of people her sceptical. bill: ted cruz says the only people donald trump is winning is because of the media. howard kurtz is here with his take. >> donald trump is likely to win some states and the media is going to have heart palpitations.
media, blaming them for donald trump's rise. >> the media is so eager to have donald trump as represent koon nominee. the media is going to say the race is over. martha: howard kurtz, you are a media analyst. host of media buzz *. >> he finished third behind john kasich. you look at all the bad press and negative coverage donald trump has gotten saying the media is having palpitations is unfair. senator cruz did have some bad press, but at the same time cruz turns down far more television opportunities and then he complains trump gets all this free air time. we have had him on the program
and have had heidi cruz here as well which we are happy about. there was lots of opportunity for free time on air that was not taken advantage of. donald trump also talked about the media. here is what he's had to say. >> the media has covered me really fair for the last two hours. no, they have been very fair the last few weeks. >> i had to adjust the volume on my set to make sure i was hearing it right. the next thing i know, he's sitting down with megyn kelly. do we hate the media? yeah, yeah, yeah. it's not that he discovered any great love for the fourth estate. but trump likes it when journalists and pundits say he's
a lot of journalists who had been minimizing his chances and saying if this happens and there is a full moon there may not bed the 1,237. but pen people on the left are saying he may get to the 1,237. martha: it's been a double-edged sword. it also hurt him. he was out there saying stuff. his unfavorables are very high. you can say he got a lot more attention than and lot of other people. but you can't say it's all good for him. some of it was bad for him. >> even when it was bad for him, it was good for him. when he got attacked by the media, his base, his most for
haven't fans, they don't trust the media. he was calling the media losers and idiots and morons on twitter. even the negative coverage reenforced trump's argument that he's running against the establishment that includes the new york-washington media establishment. martha: i think most people in the media are looking forward to the possibility of covering this. we have a few more races to go to hillary clinton and donald trump. we'll see what happens. the voters will decide. howard, thank you very much. bill: live in indianapolis, moments from now. we expect to see and hear ted cruz for the first time since ted cruz's results.
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cam panel have used a more presidential tone. he's talking about national security in the fall. trump will discuss trade, immigration and security policies. he called for a border wall with mexico. he somehow expects that country to pay for it. withdrawing if forces from syria and japan and allowing those countries to defend themselves with nuclear weapons. and he wants to renegotiate trade deals. he called for nato countries to pay more for the defense the u.s. military provides. >> we love our allies, but our allies can no longer be taking advantage of this country. this isn't 0 years ago or 20 years ago. this is now. we have to rebuild our infrastructure and rebuild our country. we have to get rid of isis and
get rid of them fast. our military is completely depleted. we have 0 build them up. reporter: his communications director asked us which trump will show this afternoon? the donald trump who strongly advocated for strong military action in libya against qaddafi, who thinks it's a great honor to be compliments by vladimir putin? this speech begins just a few blocks from the white house at the mayflower hotel. martha: donald trump taking aim at hillary clinton in his victory speech last night saying she's a flawed candidate. >> all she has is the woman's card. she has nothing going.
if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she would get 5% of the vote. martha: what went through your mind when you heard that comment? >> unfortunately i think he's right. sadly, hillary clinton is the ultimate washington insider in a year of the outsider donald trump provides the best contrast. he's the ultimate outsider. if hillary clinton wasn't a woman i don't think she would be doing as well as she is. america is looking for someone to come in and shake things up and hillary clinton cannot do that, and donald trump can and has shown that he will as we have seen over this election cycle. martha: there is no doubt she'll embrace that part of her candidacy. here she is last night. >> the other day mr. trump accused me of playing the quote woman card.
well, if fighting for women's healthcare and paid family leave and equal pay is playing the woman card, then deal me in! martha: you look at that comment, and you look back at 2012. and that line of thinking helped the democrats in. >> i'm a woman, a wife and a mom. at the end of the date thing that keep me up at night are who's going to keep our kid safe, who is going to keep our country safe. who is going to grow the economy so when my kid graduate they will be able to find a job. the millions of women who voted for done there are and are supporting him are concerned about. he's the on person that i think not just women but men feel comfortable and confident we'll
protect our borders, protect our kid and grow our economy. those are the big issues of the day. i think that's why he's doing so well. >> that's clearly true for the people who support him. that's a lot of people on the republican side. he swept every county which is a remarkable outcome for the trump campaign. when you look at the big picture in a general elect and look at women. how large do you think the sentiment of want to go elect hillary clinton because she is a woman. women say i have to vote for her. she is a woman. i would love to see a woman president in my lifetime. how strong do you think that sentiment is? >> i don't think it's nearly as strong as the concern every woman has about the future of our country. i go back to the things that worry me as a woman are what kind of country and what kind of world are we going to pass down to our kid and will there be
anything left to give them? to me that's far greater than whether we get some historical barrier of a woman being in office. i want to know if my kid are going to have a job, not whether hillary clinton is. at the end of the day when women go into the ballot box and cast a vote, that's what they will be thinking about, not whether hillary clinton should be president. i don't think most women wouldn't want that for their kid and want that for the future. one of the other thing that we have to look at, donald trump isn't just doing well, didn't just have a great night last night. but he's 100,000 votes over what mitt romney did already in 2012 and john mccain in 2008. he's growing the party and expanding and i think he will continue doing that as we get closer to november. martha: carly fiorina, there is some speculation that ted cruz
may announce that she would be his running-mate. your thoughts on that. >> i think carly i a great advocate and has been good for the voices of the republican party. but this is a desperate move by ted cruz. he's been mathematically eliminated from this race. he should exit the race so we can unify the party and defeat hillary in the general election. martha: he was asked if he would consider a woman as a vice presidential running-mate? is that something you would advise him to do? >> we don't need to look at whether it's a woman or other demographic qualify kaig. will they grow our economy on
make our border secure and make our country safer? i think if that's what they fit into, then absolutely. i think men, women all should be considered. martha: the best person for the job is the major qualification in your mind. thank you very much. we'll see you soon. bill: on the raw numbers, the raw numbers are george bush in 2000. he will fly by that number. martha: turnout and enthusiasm is a huge factor in these elections. bill: we are waiting on ted cruz. he's going to speak at a pancake house in indianapolis. this will be the first time we have seen him and heard him since his peach last night before the cult were in. we'll talk to a crew supporter. former texas governor rick perry will join us in the studio.
>> tonight this campaign moves back to more favorable campaign. tonight this campaign moves back to indiana. and nebraska, and north dakota, and montana and washington and california. bill: that's all you need to know where ted cruz's mind is today. he's vowing to stay in the race and battle donald trump for the nomination. rick perry is a former governor out of texas and also a candidate this year.
welcome back and thank you for being here. how do you explain last night? >> nothing to explain. it's the northeast. it's donald trump country. he did exactly what i expected he would do. now the race goes of the world that are not quite as favorable to a donald trump type campaign. so this thing is not over with yet. the road gets narrower. but in a football game in the five minute ago in the fourth quarter -- >> you will hear a lot about indiana being like wisconsin. and maybe there is some truth to that. midwestern state, et cetera. but in wisconsin, ted cruz has the backing of thes are republican party establishment that he rode to victory. so far they have not stepped forward to you mort him. >> in iowa they didn't either.
when you have governors or high-profile individual who may not have weighed in, endorsements are interesting thing. but people make their decisions on their own. and i think that's what they are going to do here. the indiana voter is going to look at which one of these is consistent conservative. which one do they think can ask change washington, d.c. all this talk about donald trump being an outsider which he is. but ted cruz is not exactly an inside guy. bill: this is ted cruz pulling up to sarah's pancake house in indiana. he's not yet closed the argument. and he may not. >> the game is not over yet. i go back to being able to stay in the fight and make the pitch
to the end. if it goes to a contested convention, then you have got a completely different environment there. and that's how we have always done our elects. they have always been decided well before a convention. but the fact is you become the republican nominee by who the convention votes for. if this is a contested convention. all bets are often do * will be the presumptive nominee. he led a filibuster on the floor of the senate against his entire party. >> in a caught that was probably ultimately a losing battle. >> this isn't about -- it's not 60 senators or so that will make the decision in cleveland. it's going to be republican activists, people chosen by
their own party to come to represent the republican party. that's how our rules are set up. just because you don't like the rules, the rules are the rules. the bottom line is let's let the process work it way out. bill: how difficult will it be to put this party back together. >> when you juxtaposition, reality will set in. bill: do you think he can mend these fences overnight? >> i don't know whether it's overnight. but these are americans who care about where this country is going. when you see the path hillary clinton want to take this country on versus the path any of the three republicans still in this, and it will be one of those three. it becomes very, very clear, we come together and work toward getting this country back on
track economically, militarily, values-wise. any of those three candidate will be head and shoulders above hillary clinton. will you support donald trump for the republican nomination? >> i said it from the get-go. he's not my choice. the three up there were my first choice. i was my first choice. but the american people made a clear decision they didn't want a governor who had had the experience that they were look for somebody that was an outsider. by and large that's what they have. >> what do you think trump speaks to. what are people hearing from him that they like? >> people are really mad. people feel the system is rigged against them. the middle class is seeing their wealth, their standing being diminished. they know their children won't
have as good a future as what they had. and they are mad about it. i understand that. from time to time when we are mad we make some irrational decisions. and i'm -- i think a little bit of that is going on. when it sets in. if you are getting on an airplane going to london you want the pilot in the left seed to be as experienced as possible. i would have thought in my dealing in government all these many years being the governor of a very successful state that a jeb bush, a bobby jindal, a scott walker would have been in the conversation at the end. but that's not what the american people want. that's the irrational part of this, a pox on all your house be if you have had anything to do with government, we have had it.
bill: why do you think trump has been able to vanquish 14 of the talented 16? >> he's an incredibly talented marketer. we have never seen anyone on the political stage, i would suggest to you, that has the talent to sell a grand the way donald trump does. now, selling a brand and delivering and being able to govern are two different things. bill: in a general election campaign your guy at the moment, ted cruz loses to donald trump, the nomination battle. he will face hillary clinton. how does he do head-to-head? >> i think it's important for the country to really look at their visions, to look at who's talking about how we get this country back economically. today i heard an individual say the most important thing we have
to deal with in this country is immigration reform. that was an individual on the democrat side. when you have the challenges that this country faces economically, this huge burden of taxes and regulation, you need to have the focus on getting this country back economically. bill: hold that thought. thank you, governor. did you guys draw straws? john is looking a little tired here. >> i'm look out for you. good morning. it's great to be with you. last night was donald trump's night. and today is indiana's day. indiana now has the chance to speak not only for hoosiers across the state. but for people across this country that value midwestern common sense. that value good judgment. indiana has an opportunity to
make a decision that will impact the republican party and impact the country. it's a decision of which path we should go down. do we want to go down the path of a campaign that's based on yelling and cursing and insults or do we want to unify the campaign. based on real policy solutions to the challenges facing this country. i'm thrilled, heidi and i are thrilled that the people of indiana will be making that choice. we are barnstorming this state traveling across the state, and seeing tremendous support from the people on the ground. as you mentioned, we have an event this afternoon. 4:00 p.m. at the pavilion at pan am. we'll be making a major announcement. i encourage folks, come join us at 4:00 p.m. it will be inside. you won't need your jackets.
>> is this a running-mate or endorsement. >> if we were making an announcement at 4:00 p.m., it wouldn't make sense to announce it at 10:00 a.m. the purpose of this is you should come. it's at 4:00 p.m. and you can find out what the announcement will be. >> what are you looking for in a running-mate. >> i said from the beginning the most important attribute for any running-mate is he or she should be prepared to step in and fulfill if the role as president. the commander-in-chief, keep this country safe. and champion jobs, freedom and security. my number one priority as president is jobs, freedom and security. those are the priorities the people of indiana and the priorities of this country. we have real problems in this country. the people of indiana are hurting, carrier has moved hundreds of jobs to mexico. wages have been stagnating. there have been two incredible
governors, mitch daniels and mike pence that have reduced taxes and regulations, ban that has helped the job situation. but indiana struggles with the 800-pound weight of the federal government holding down job growth. my josh is to reduce the burden of the federal government on small businesses, cutting taxes and allowing small businesses to thrive, bringing manufacturing jobs back to the state of indiana, raising wages for working men and women. it's the priority of the men and women of this state. >> you said trump cannot win over a majority of conservatives. how do you argue against him now. how do you say he can't bring republicans together? >> i recognize the new york media executives -- you get to
ask and i get too answer. i recognize the new york media executives and the washington lobbyists running donald trump's campaign both want the campaign to be over. they are desperate for it to be over because they recognize that this campaign has now moved on top much more favorable territory. i'm not going to debate you. i'll answer your question, but i'm not going to debate you. i recognize donald trump did well at home. that's fine. the choice for this country is which road do we go down as i laid out last night. donald trump and hillary clinton are flip sides of the same coin. hillary made millions of dollars selling power and influence in washington. donald trump made billions buying politicians like hillary clinton. on issue after issue, donald trump and hillary clinton are
indistinguishable. donald trump and hillary clinton both support raising taxes. donald trump said last week on the "today show" that he supports raising taxes. i disagree with donald trump and hillary clinton. as president i'll cut your taxes. hillary clinton and donald trump support the individual mandate on obamacare. obamacare is the biggest job killer in this country. as president i'll repeal every word of obamacare. today donald has planned a foreign policy speech. it will be interesting to see what he says in his foreign policy speech. whether he highlights the fact that he and hillary both agree america should be neutral between israel and the palestinians. donald trump and hillary clinton both agree the iranian nuclear deal should stay in place. that is a profoundly dangerous
left-wing position of donald trump. as i understand it, donald believes the deal should be in place but he's going to negotiate it to make it better. i don't know, maybe he will make it great. anyone who thinks that does not understand the nature of the. >> i tolla khomeini. d of the ayatollah khomeini. and i would note his campaign is run by a washington lobbiest who was paid to lobby for saudi arabia against is rail and against moving the american embassy to jerusalem. as path on the first day in office i will begin the process of moving the american embassy to jerusalem. >> the uproar over that comment you made. >> it was wonderful to be in hickory gym.
hoosiers -- "hoosiers" was one of my favorite movies. i'm sure my former basketball coach was horrified that i called the rim a ring. i'm sure you have never stumbled over a word. in high school when i played basketball in high school, when we did something wrong the coach would have us run laps until we fell over. i think my campaign team after i messed up the reference to "hoosiers," i think they wanted me to run laps. but fortunately the coach wasn't there to enforce that. the importance of that reference when i asked bruce to measure the height of the ring as gene hackman so powerfully said, i think actual find those are the exact same measurements.
the big city gym is the same size as the gym in hickory. but the point of that observation is the power brokers in washington want this race to be over, and the media over and over again is repeating donald trump's spin that the race is over. washington and new york want this general election to be between two rich liberal new yorkers who agree on virtually every issue. that's not surprising given that donald trump contribute repeatedly to hillary clinton to her presidential campaign. it is not surprising that washington and new york want both of the candidates being supposed republican and democrats to be supporters of hillary clinton's presidential campaign. that's called heads i win, tails you lose. the point i made.
the basketball rim is the exact same distance, 10 feet. and here in indiana, the people of indiana have good sense, the people of indiana have good sense. the people of indiana i don't believe will say manhattan has spoken, therefore we must get behind a new york liberal. i don't believe the people of indiana want to do that. and i think anyone who wants to be elected president owes it to the voters to do what i'm doing here. heidi and i are barnstorming the state. we are on a bus tour barnstorming the state to look voters in the eyes. to subject yourself to the scrutiny of hoosiers. donald trump doesn't like to do that. he likes to parachute in like mick jagger. show up at a football stadium. give some performance, and then leave. well, this country isn't a
reality show. and if donald trump thinks he's too good to answer questions from the men and women of indiana, that conveys something. it's now been 8 days since the last republican debate. the democrats are debating. hillary clinton and bernie sanders have both demonstrated more humility than donald trump and they subjected themselves to the scrutiny of the voters. i believe the people of indiana deserve a debate. i accepted two debate invitations in indiana to give hoosiers the chance to compare and make this choice. i think that is a simple act of respect to the voters. but it's been 8 days, and i would note, by the way, every debate whoever has hosted it.
>> this is disqualifier, i got cut out in hurry. all of us have. the real issue here from my perspective is, what this announcement at 4:00 going to be. if this is a major individual from indiana, say the governor the indiana. i have no inside information. could have a big impact on indiana. listen, it is indiana or bust
for ted cruz. so, he wins indiana, then we still got a ball game to play. bill: governor. thank you for your time. thank you, bill. bill: rick perry back to mountaintop. >> round top. bill: round top. >> thanks to governor perry. jonah goldberg watching all of this. good morning to you. ted cruz obviously wants to grab reins of narrative here to put it back on his home turf. happy to be in the midwest to leave the whole mid-atlantic experience behind. your thoughts? the. >> you can't blame him. he truly got drubbed in the northeast. trump had by far the best run to date. broke through the much-vaunted ceiling a lot of people including me have been pointing to. i, ted cruz wanted to get back on at least more friendly terrain, for the kind of campaign he wants to run.
question is, you know, all boils down to indiana now. i think governor perry is exactly right. if trump pulse it out in indian gnat fight goes on. if cruz pulls out of indian. martha: when you look at ted cruz who may be the last man standing on the never trump side, john kasich is still in this race as we know, do you ask yourself, jonah, looking at governor perry and others who were out there and you get to ted cruz, do you ask yourself whether or not he was the right person or is the right person to leave the never trump charge when he has numbers, when you look, would you be concerned or scared if this person were elected president? ted cruz got almost 60% among republicans last night, jonah. >> yeah, but, mostly in states that aren't going to go for republicans anyway.
the -- martha: they're asking republicans. republicans who are people nominate ad person to lead their party and 60% of them across several of these states last night seem very unhappy with that choice. >> i think there are a lot of republicans are unhappy with all of the choices that are left. the person who scares them the most according to exit polls in pennsylvania is donald trump. cruz comes in shortly behind that. martha: concerned or scared, cruz came in number one in pennsylvania. almost 60%. >> i saw a different number, okay. martha: when you combined concerned or scared, right? look at two numbers together. we put them up on the, there was other version. isolated concerned and scared, put them together, are you concerned or scared, ted cruz at 59%. kasich at 50%. a lot of people would find surprising, trump at 37%. your thoughts? >> the kasich thing is bewildering, to me.
give away, reflection of a lot of very pro-trump people giving disparaging answers to the non-trump candidates. cruz number doesn't surprise me all that much because the state has we are talking about, most of the republicans, disproportionately large number of moderate and liberal republicans voting in those states. that is where the trump overperforms. so given that his turnout was so high, you could see that coming. at the same time, i just think that we have a, republican party is in a defacto civil war at this point. it looks like right now that the trump forces are on the ascend ant path and clearly have the best shot getting nomination by far. but that doesn't mean that you're going to change the hearts of all the people who wanted it to go a different way. as i've been saying for a very, very long time. this thing ends in tears no matter what. if trump is the nominee, a lot of people will leave the party.
if trump is not the nominee, a lot of people will leave the party. i don't know that trump has skills to unify the party. i don't know that ted cruz has skills to unify party. may simply be a fractured party. martha: but is the party changing is the question? when you look at these counties across the board, you had five states last night, it wasn't just one, and they're mid-atlantic, they have a character. they represent a lot of what we see in the country. look at western pennsylvania, parts of connecticut had very tough, tough road in terms of manufacturing, and jobs in those states. >> sure. martha: there is a good mix of people that live in those states, so, is he reflecting a party that is evolving and changing? we talked to brad blakeman this morning, heard above perry both of whom seem to be coming around to the idea that donald trump is the standard-bearer? >> he may end up being standard-bearer. i consider myself a conservative before i consider myself
republican. i will not vote the for the guy and he does not reflect my views and reflect what i believe. may end up becoming republican standard-bearer. he has a good shot. people are disaffected and angry at their own party for food reasons and bad. the case you're making, doing it as hypothetical devil's advocate case, but the case you're making is undermined or overblown in a lot of cases because you're not seeing trump-like figures down ballot getting elected. a lot of conventional republicans are getting elected in all these other primaries by voters voting for donald trump. martha: that's true. >> if differences are so great, you would think that wouldn't be happening. i think what is actually happening you have a powerful charismatic personality a lot of people like. they're overlooking a lot of other issues and a lot of other qualifications saying i like donald trump. martha: jonah, but the point you made, we did see more traditional republicans win down
ballot last night, doesn't that mean a trump nomination would not necessarily destroy the down ballot choices? >> well, it is not, we're talking about republican primaries. donald trump in the general election matchups puts utah in play, puts mississippi in play. martha: i understand. >> donald trump is at 87% net you ever favorable among hispanics. whyed somehow he will have coattails to bring pat toomey along, to bring you know, ron johnson along, almost promise you this, toomey and johnson camps don't think so. so you're going to see, i think it will be a bloodletting on the ticket. i think this he can carry new york state or pennsylvania in the election, barring indictment of hillary clinton, is bizarrely fanciful. something i understand the trump campaign wants to put out. i just don't see it happening. martha: the numbers are very rough in that regard. jonah, thank you very much. always good to talk about with
you. >> thank you. bill: couple things on the last point. crunching overall numbers. 150,000 more democrats voted in pennsylvania than republicans, which is not insurmountable. when he makes argument he could win pennsylvania. he could. could see it happen. week before new york. we talked about 1.8 million democrats voted as compared to 800,000 republicans. martha: pennsylvania looks better for republicans than new york. bill: always a battleground state, pennsylvania. numbers are a lot more for pennsylvania side than new york, which would be astonishing. bill: indiana 57 delegates. nine congressional districts, three delegates per. ted cruz set to make major announcement to try to win those delegates. what will he do with indiana voting in six days? will it give the campaign the jolt it needs starting this morning. martha: donald trump says he is
not changing for anybody. if he wins the nomination will the republican party be able to embrace him as their nominee. talking about that with jonah. more coming up on that with tucker. >> i'm like a very smart person. i'm going to represent our country with dignity and very well. [applause] i don't want to change my personality.
verge of breaking the record for the number of popular votes in a gop nominating presidential race. the numbers supporting his calls for establishment republicans to accept that the voters have spoken and he says it is time to look ahead to november. here he is. >> they have no path, zero path to victory and we're going to win on the first ballot. so here's the thing, how do you say to them, we're going to choose a man that lost by five million votes and 500 delegates. we'll take him instead of trump because he was 14 shorts on the first ballot? i don't think you can do that. martha: tucker carlson, daily caller. good morning to you. do you agree? >> well you know, clearly trump has the advantage right now. what's fascinating for me living in washington is the response of washington republicans to these developments. obviously they don't like trump. they have complaints about him as person. i think those are legitimate. what you're seeing attacks on his voters, red state, tip sheet
for think tank republican intellectuals in washington saying these results change nothing and describe people who voted for trump, overwhelming majority of republicans in five states as quote, diseased. it is their problem. they are dumb. they are liberal. they're poor. probably on oxycontin. attacks on voters, are totally counter productive because they confirm in minds of republicans in the state party has contempt for them. obviously it does. to say that out loud is rubicon. that they cross ad line to make it hard to put the republican party back together. martha: interesting point. we watched ted cruz. he came out from his bus and talked about being in indiana, almost, what a relief it is to be out of those horrible mid-atlantic states where people, he started talking about values and new york values again. you know, a lot of times donald trump being divisive, i just wonder if you know that isn't
divisive as well, tucker. >> sure. political parties exist for one reason. the church exists to guard the true word of god. political parties exist only to serve their voters. that is only reason we have them, to make this country and their voters more prosperous, safer. when they cease doing that, they have cease having reason for existence. the truth, saw it in cruz's statements, articulate guy, orthodox conservative, republican economic message in a country not as rich as we think it is pretty abstract. average american, 47% of the americans, can't come up with $400 on day's notice. what does the republican party in d.c. say to them. you need capital-gains tax cuts which i'm for or saw ted cruz say, move american embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem. i'm also for. i'm conservative. does either one of those things speak to core concerns of voters? of course it doesn't. they're irrelevant. they're too abstract. martha: i'm sorry, tucker, didn't mean to interrupt you. >> i'm all spun up.
martha: this your point, exit poll from last night, very worried or somewhat worried about the u.s. economy? so much talk about immigration and other issues as you point out. one vein runs through after exit polls, primary after primary, people are extremely concerned about the economy. they have been told things are improving, they don't feel it at all. they're very afraid of it. >> right. martha: that is sort of straightest line between donald trump and concerned voters. >> exactly. they're terrified. this reminds me of '92 campaign, first campaign i covered republican said of bill clinton, he is a creep. voters only knew what a creep he was they would never vote for him. won anyway twice. why did he do that not because he was a good person. i don't think anyone argues that he is a great person. clinton ran on things people care about, jobs, crime, high crime and unemployment those messages resonated. that is the key to trump.
not about his business background or fact he is compelling orator. those matter. the core of his campaign is his economic message. i will bring jobs back. baffling to me why republican party in washington doesn't understand that? martha: talking about the carrier company in indiana last night a little bit. oh, i was talking about the fact that they had moved all these jobs to mexico before i knew indiana was going to be a big place that had to win. i just heard ted cruz also talking about it, perhaps, ted cruz talked about the carrier company a lot on the campaign trail but you know, that's an issue. that is something that will resonate with people in indiana. give us your thoughts on indiana race. it h place we're going to watch very closely. >> sure it is significant. all primaries are, the idea it is make-or-break for donald trump is insane. as you pointed out in the intro he is on track to receive more votes than any republican nominee ever. already surpassed mitt romney's number in 2012. doesn't mean he is great guy or great president.
it means he is the choice of republican voters. and by them the finger at your peril. that is really what this is about. will the republican party, doesn't need to change or become radically populist or it needs to pay attention what its actual voters think. it can't be totally in the thrall of donors and think tank intellectuals. it is. that is the problem. everybody knows it. no one wants to say it. they will run a third party against trump? that is coming out for hillary clinton. voters will hate them by end of this. that is big problem. martha: tucker, great to talk to you. bill: what will donald trump say about his foreign policy today? a preview what we might hear from the front-runner a washington and country in a few hours from now. martha: left with an alliance between john kasich and ted cruz to stop donald trump be effective? talk about this all morning? we'll speak to the kasich campaign. get their thoughts online coming up next. >> i don't see this as any big deal. other than the fact that i'm not
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our focus and resources towards the west. kasich will be out in oregon on thursday. they have mail-in ballot process. we're doing digital advertising we think we will do well there. this is about stopping hillary clinton because as we all know, the polls show donald trump has little to zero chance of beating hillary clinton in the fall. it would be a very, very difficult day for republicans if not disasterous day for republicans up and down the ballot, for the moment it is all about stopping donald trump for john kasich, right now he does not have the arrow in that quivers, strength. >> no. i think the way to stop donald trump keeping him from the 1237. think we'll have opportunity to do that. as people see what it would mean to the republican party. donald trump will be speaking
later today about foreign policy, which donald trump is going to show up? one that thumbs his nose at nato? one that shows that he has taken foreign policy kind of as a naive, second choice type of thing? or is he going to be new presidential one? his negatives, bill continue to be astronomical. they're reaching david duke levels. bill: trent, he won every county in every state last night? >> yeah, but general election he gets trounced. that is why you have real problems winning senate. if we elect donald trump, hillary clinton wins white house, you chuck schumer is the senate majority leader f we want eight more years or four more years obama-clinton, trump is the guy. bill: these -- >> celebrating democratic national committee right now. so, this is about an agreement that is going to go forward we can have discussion at convention who is best to represent the republican party in.
bill: listen felt like that alliance fell apart on monday when john kasich was asked about it. i'm not going to tell you not to vote for me in indiana. these republican primary voters are saying loud and clear as of now, that they're okay with donald trump. and they like his message and they like his style and cow, no one predicted what would happen last night. he ran the board. now so when it comes time to putting it party back together again, how difficult will that be, do you think? >> well, look, i think there is a lot of republicans, john kasich agrees with them, are ticked off at washington because washington has been broken. it has not delivered for men and women in this country but john kasich is only one shown he can work within the washington system to defeat insiders, defeat the special interests and deliver jobing and economic growth. structural deficiency we have in washington, same one john kasich faced in ohio. he only one demonstrated can
take something and fix it. we have 412,000 new jobs in ohio. talking about bringing jobs back. but he has no plan to do that. and, there is still millions of republicans that are not voting for trump bill, that is a fact. we'll see where it goes. bill: will john kasich run on same ticket as donald trump for the republican party, yes or no. >> that is up to governor kasich. we'll leave that decision to him. he said he would have to think long and hard given the different positions that donald trump has taken on nearly everything. and way he has conducted his campaign. so, we'll see what governor kasich has to say about that. but his focus right now is getting to an open convention so the delegates can decide. there is still a lot we don't know about donald trump. we found out yesterday he will have to testify in a fraud midst of general lech unshelf how can you attack "crooked hillary" when you're standing trial on a fraud -- bill: that is his job.
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martha: benjamin, thank you very much. bill: ed rollins managinged reagan-bush re-election campaign. joe trippi howard dean's campaign manager. both fox news contributors. good morning to both of you. on the map here behind us, a little results. let's start in pennsylvania. ed, you start, almost every county is purple for trump except for this one here, mckeen county. this indicates the vote is not in. i don't know why. i can't explain why. it appears trump won every county last night. you have information on the unpledged delegates which there are 54. go. >> there are 54. normally establishment people run for them. many people have been past delegations and well-known figures. they got blown out. they, i mean when you really finish this count it is not like there is a whole bunch establishment people that are going to sit there going to the convention. these are trump people. they were very well-organized. people walked in with sheets of, here are the names they are supposed to know. i talked to one of my friends in
there today, long-time player, and he said i don't know any of these delegates. i've been around party a long time. whole bunch new people have been elected. bill: no kidding? why is that. >> they weren't in there. momentum is going on. trump is the ifing acceptable. pennsylvania is the ultimate swing state. obviously very close state in the final analysis. i think he really revved up his supporters and really won a big one. bill: did he campaign differently in pennsylvania to get that done? >> i think part of the momentum coming. he is inevitable nominee. people see that. they want to be a part of it. i don't think you stop him at this point in time. bill: joe, let me go ahead, come out to the board. i want to show our viewers, this was pennsylvania, pop over here to rhode island, same deal, all purple. every county here in connecticut. same deal. come back up to pennsylvania. right down to maryland. it is nothing but purple. go ahead, joe.
what do we need to know? >> literally every county but one hasn't reported in pennsylvania. look, what it all says, i agree with ed. it is not just momentum. it is just, after a while the kasich and cruz voters in the future states are just going to, their energy in terms of turning out drops out. indiana is it. i don't think they can stop him. i think he gets convention with 1237, if cruz doesn't win indiana. if they don't stop him in indiana. there is no california or future stop to stop him. bill: scenario, you both react. you're at 954 at moment. just shy of 300 needed at 283. five are knocked out over here. indiana giving to trump as of today. one shy of a thousand. following nebraska is cruz, west virginia trump, that's what we believe.
oregon slight edge for trump. washington state, opposite for cruz. you've got montana, south dakota, that favor cruz. new mexico, slight edge for trump. california looks big for trump as of today. long where he would be on juneth, with 69 needed. on that same day as new jersey, winner-take-all, 51. now you're 18 delegates away. this is possible. that is a scenario. ed, start. >> if he gets there, you can't stop him. you're going to have, first of all some of the scenarios you put there may be where they are today but again momentum is very hard to stop. more and more republicans are saying okay, he is our nominee, let's get behind him, move forward. cruz campaign obviously fought a worthy fight. kasich campaign has not been in the became for long period of time but they're smoking something. at end of the day, indiana is battleground. winner-take-all. my sense, that will be the damn breaker. bill: joe, flip indiana for
cruz, goes back to 51. gets some out here in oregon. california doesn't go as big. you start to see delegated needed number increase. maybe new mexico sake of scenario. unpledged delegates in pennsylvania really matter. >> you have a different kind of disaster on your hands. if you're somebody who thinks trump nominated is a problem. look reality is, this party will be split and divided no matter who wins the nomination right now. the sooner they decide who their nominee is and who they will try to unify behind, which, to my method should be donald trump right now, the sooner they're going to have a shot at building unity towards in november. i think to continue this fight, particularly if they lose -- if cruz scant score in indiana. frankly bill, even if he can't, indiana is two states. there are lots of parts of indiana look a lot to me like trump country. other parts of the state look
like cruz country. they will not stop him there. he will more than his fair share of delegates in indiana. bill: wrap it up with ed. indiana, 57 delegates on the line. 30 to statewide winner. he had a lot of comparison of wisconsin over coming six days. is that a fair comparison? wisconsin had belly of the beast in the republican party behind ted cruz that enabled him to win there. that hasn't happened yet in indiana. >> pence in a tough race himself. challenge from same guy that came close to him last time. my sense, i don't speak for the governor but i think he will end up endorsing trump. reality indiana is key state in any game. again, it is momentum. inevitability. like it is okay to be for trump now. wisconsin, others it wasn't so okay. bill: all kind of like switches at one moment. you find in these campaigns. >> absolutely. bill: ed, joe, great to see you both. thank you very much. >> good to be with you. bill: you as well. martha? martha: donald trump set to give
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martha: donald trump is set to give what his campaign is calling major foreign policy speech today at noon in washington, d.c. he will head off to indiana to appear with bobby knight. this speech is part of a new push to project more presidential image and flesh out the take on foreign policies. make it clear he will have a different approach. >> they are considered, and i am using some but i will tell you that there are some, that i just
couldn't take it anymore. when they are giving me their credentials, one guy walked in, i've been involved in 14 years of highest level at iraq war. i said, really not be interested in using you sir, all due respect, and forget about you. we need new thinking, a lot better thinking. this is ridiculous what is going on for some years is ridiculous. whether we like it or not, there are people out there who haven't had a claim but maybe i like their ideas better. we have combinations of both. martha: some of the old and bringing in some new people as well. he was asked about whether or not he would have people that had been generals and advisors to the iraq an afghanistan war? marc thiessen, fellow at american enterprise institute, columnist for the wash upon post and. what do you think of that. >> general david petraeus would be disqualify. martha: not necessarily.
he would keep some people who had done that and bring in some new people. >> we're a little bit late in the process for assembling foreign policy team. i find it amazing donald trump put himself on path to, having a lock on the republican nomination unless he is stopped in indiana. he still hasn't laid out a clear vision for his foreign policy. usually what happens is presidential candidate announces he will run for president. lays out series of foreign policy speech, including on foreign policy, takes agenda to american people. we're in position where donald trump is presumptive republican nominee, only day will he lay out a clear vision for his foreign policy we don't know what he will do as commander-in-chief but we'll make him republican nominee for commander-in-chief. martha: just to take the flip side of that i think their campaign would say that is not true. they laid out the fact they want allies an people we supported over many years to start kicking in a little bit more of the
money, nato and elsewhere, right? he certainly said that he said he wants to end isis through military strength and build up the military. so those are just a couple of ideas he certainly has talked about. what other areas do you think he needs to really flesh out. clearly he doesn't have marc thiessen on board. what would you need to hear to make you say, well, okay, maybe i would consider that? >> he needs to give some coherence what has been up to now utter incoherence. like you say he wants to crush isis. he said in the aipac speech he will totally dismantle iran's terrorist network. he want to pull out of the middle east to spend money on infrastructure and bridges. will give us strongest military in american history because it is decimated by barack obama but he will not increase military spending and cut military spending. these are not things compatible with each other. what he needs to do today, lay out, a lot of these things he said are gas.
didn't know difference between kurds and quds force iranian revolutionary guard. said things off-the-cuff, japan, south korea, saudi arabia should have nuclear weapons. these are behalves -- gaffs. thought these things out. he needs to lay out coherent foreign policy today. we'll see whether he is capable of doing it or not. martha: in terms of advisors, does he have a point about the things that he thinks did not go well under the bush administration and places where he would reach to find people that he has more in common with in terms of his philosophy? you know, i think there were mistakes made. most people would say and then also mistakes made in the obama administration as well, in terms of commitment of forces in iraq and afghanistan that were catalyst for a lot of what happened there. but what kind of mix would you like to see in the next president, regardless who it is
in terms of advisors? >> you need to have, i mean obviously everybody brings in new people in the government but you need to have people with some experience. there were people who disagreed with the policies of the bush administration in the military. martha: like who, mark, who would you like to see advise the next president when you look at people? >> people i like, jack keane, general david petraeus. these are people who, president bush was first one stepped up said we had wrong strategy in iraq. he found generals who disagreed with current commanders who were current commanders came up with new approach that actually defeated isis. with the surge in 2007. so there lots of diversity. but problem is donald trump, you say that donald trump needs to find some people who share fist philosophy. what is his philosophy? we don't know what his foreign policy philosophy is all over the map. he said in the clip, went into the break he will not lay out trump doctrine because we need flexibility. we had reagan doctrine. we had truman doctrine.
bush doctrine, carter doctrine. but trump doctrine we don't have doctrines. it is rudderless foreign policy without any guiding is have. he needs to lay out a guiding vision. what is the trump doctrine. what is the trump view. are we going to spend more in the military or are we going to spend less? send troops to iraq and syria to fight isis or let russia do it. what is the trump doctrine if? if he can't answer that question he should not be commander-in-chief. martha: thanks, marc. bill: we can confirm sources inside of the trump campaign saying they have locked up 34 of the 54 unpledged delegates in pennsylvania. this matches some of the reporting we had last night. i have number around 36, north there off. the trump team says 34 of 54 unpledged are in their cat power. so you can add that then to the haul of 105 or 108. either way a remarkable night for the trump team among these
five states. really a blowout. martha: a lot said they would go with whoever won. like who we talked to the other night at our town hall i will go whoever wins. that would account for some of that. quick break. we'll be right back. go ahead... leave the competition behind. lexus gs 350 and 200 turbo. there's no going back.
>> i'm jon scott, six minutes away from "happening now." great night for front runners on the race to the white house. donald trump had a clean sweep, winning five out of five. hillary clinton won four out of five. we're awaiting major foreign policy speech pro mr. trump. we'll have it for you live. reaction from former ambassador john bolton and national security staffer gillian turner. all ahead on "happening now." bill: jon, thank you. homeowners in california in a fight for their own property. they say they're being extorted by the government.
national correspondent william la jeunesse is live to find out whether or not their complaint are true. william, good morning. where are you? what's this about? reporter: bill we're halfway between san diego and los angeles. the seawall i'm standing on protects about 90 mobile homes here in san clemente. the owner of this unit wanted to replace it. because we're on beach it requires a permit from the california coastal commission which doesn't like seawalls because they can cause erosion. you can have a new unit, provided, i'm quoting here, that you never repair, maintain or reinforce the seawall. he said no way. number one, i can't protect my property. number two, selling it would be impossible. >> it is a taking. and whether it is an active taking or passive taking through regulation the government is taking your property. >> so the owner says you know it is extortion because there is no adverse impact to put a new mobile home where the old one is. so they're going to court, bill.
bill: what is the state saying? have they been here before, william? reporter: yeah. actually they have, you know, bill, the state says, and i'm quoting, that because it's a new unit it is not entitled to shoreline protection because again sea walls are bad because they cause ear rogues. in fact the last four years the commission gave out 91 permits. 82 required owner to give up right to protect their property. the hypocrisy some say, in other part of the state the state is putting in these kind of sea walls. so indeed it is a controversy that will go to court. we'll find out there. back to you. bill: beautiful view. what a morning that is. enjoy the coffee. william la jeunesse. thanks. martha: the presidential campaign shifting gears as candidates move into indiana now and beyond. so what is next? who knows, right? we'll be right back. we searched billions of flight combinations
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