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>> one minute you have dogs. the next minute you have presidentials candidates and -- >> greatest show in the world. >> see you next weekend. >> bye, everyone. hi, everybody. good morning. happy sunday. i'm maria bartiromo. welcome to "sunday morning futures." all eyes on the hoosier state. how significant is this primary? former house speaker newt gingrich as well as legendary basketball coach, bobby knight. chaos in california as protesters hit the street. and today marks five years since the death of osama bin laden. but even with the al qaeda leader gone, his terrorist network is alive and well.
where are we now when it comes to securing our homeland? we're looking ahead on "sunday morning futures." indiana front and center on the national stage as republicans battle for the presidential nomination. donald trump and ted cruz going head to head in two state's primaries with john kasich on the sidelines. for cruz it's do or die this sunday. cruz saying the indiana primary will make or break his bid to stop trump. newt gingrich is former speaker of the house and fox news contributor. good to see you. >> good to be with you. >> do you think indiana is the make or break situation? if trump wins indiana ind, is it over? >> sure. indiana is make or break for cruz. that is a bump in the road for trump. if cruz can't win indiana, i mean virtually all the
delegates, something dloclose t what he did in wisconsin, no possibility stopping trump. on the other hand, if trump doesn't do particularly well in indiana here, so much overall momentum and such a huge lead, he could still win by winning in california. for trump it's a significant event. for cruz it's life or death. >> we'll be talking with bobby knight, the famous coach has backed donald trump. of course, the governor in indiana has gone with ted cruz. he also had nice things to say about tump. how important are these endorsements. >> i was at perdue this week talking to students and republicans and local leaders, i would say basketball probably beats politicians in indiana. i if i had to choose between at legendary coach or a governor,
probably the legendary coach has more impact on the voters of indiana. i think in the end what it comes down to in the age of television is the candidates. trump has an enormous ability to reach through that medium or facebook or youtube or radio, his movement is -- that none of us could have predicted. >> will that leadership we see over and over from donald trump to beat hillary clinton come november? >> probably. there's a poll out this morning from russ muss sen that shows them tied 38-38. the fact is hillary will be the most unpopular democrat ever nominated. trump will probably be the most unpopular democrat on both sides. there's a huge difference. trump has -- i will just say this about everybody who has
watched this race, none of us have gotten it right. you go back two or three weeks before new york, nobody would say he'll get 64%. you go back the sunday before the pennsylvania primary, nobody would say he would carry every single county in five states. he's doing something remarkable. republican turnout is up, democratic turnout is down. those bode very popular messages. i think when trump pivots, once he will, he begins to think about 100% of the american electorate and how to reach latinos and african-americans and asian-americans and younger voters, i think you'll see a very remarkable campaign just as of until now, you see historically unthinkable. it's an amazing achievement. >> who might he get around him? who is trump going to put around him in a cabinet? so, there's been talk, i'm hearing basically on wall
street, that he's talked to henry kravitz about being his potential treasury secretary. >> he might have. i think his bias will be to find business leaders in the real world who have actually done things as opposed to politicians. i think there's a politician -- someone said to me yesterday. he might reach out to a military leader to be his vice presidential nominee. he doesn't have to be restricted to the traditional vice president. he could loob at general madsen, who was a remarkable leader. five or six senior officers, all of whom would be quite attractive and would eliminate this question about whether or not trump would be safe with national security. >> what about you, would you consider being his vice presidential pick? >> i don't think that's likely. someone asked me yesterday, i said, i didn't know disney was
looking, but i love going to disney world. if they call, i'd consider it. >> have you discussed the cabinet position with donald trump? >> no. and i don't think he's discussed it with anybody. he has a very good sense of sequence and his critique of cruz for picking a vice presidential nominee when he clearly didn't have a path to be nominated, i think was exactly right. the time for trump is when he finishes this stage. this stage is called getting delegates. he's very close to closing out the entire party, all of the establishment, 16 other candidates and getting to be the nominee. if he wins next tuesday, he'll be the nominee before california. then it's time to start asking the next set of questions, one of whom is who will be the most effective nominee? >> very fair points appear at this point i think the cruz campaign is looking the next couple of weeks. he names carly fiorina as his vice presidential pick.
very unheard of to do that at this point in the campaign. heidi cruz, his wife, is talking about what's important about ted cruz. i want you to hear this sound bite where she made comments about him being an immigrant. >> ted is an immigrant. he's hispanic. we can unify this party. >> he's hispanic. what did you think about that comment, newt? >> well, okay, works better for marco rubio. of course, she can't -- she can't really mean he's an immigrant because, of course, he he is an american. the purpose of running for president. cruz has never run at an immigrant. he's never identified with the latino community. that doesn't mean wouldn't be effective. look, i think ted cruz is a very smart man. i think he clearly was a national class debater, a brilliant lawyer and he's run a very good campaign. out of 17 candidates, he's one of the two guys who really
survived. that's not a small achievement. i don't see that as a major point of appeal. the problem cruz has is there's no poll that shows cruz is dramatically more likely to beat hillary clinton than donald trump. if you keep losing primaries, particularly if you come in third in four out of five this last tuesday, you have a pretty hard argument to make your more electable. that's why i think the arguments are the right arguments, they just don't have factual backgrounds to make them work. >> it looks like he's counting on a contested convention, cruz is, but if trump gets the delegates, the establishment and the republican party will have to get behind him. what changes once the gop gets behind donald trump in a big way? >> look, almost everything changes. >> really? >> this is like a sporting event. there's no reason for the underdog team to quit if you're only halfway through the fourth
quarter. but there comes a moment, and for trump it may come as soon as tuesday night, if he wins indiana, i was told a little while ago, there's a poll out that puts cruz -- trump, rather, up by 15 point in indiana. if that's true and he wins indiana by a significant margin, the fact is the next morning he's the nominee. not the presumptive nominee. it will happen. i think instantly you'll see people's attitudes change to accommodating him. very few republicans can tolerate theed in of hillary clinton as president. i think that drives them toward trump immediately once he's, in fact, clearly got the delegate votes. >> which gives him that further push poised to -- >> right. it all becomes circular. the more you get, the more momentum, therefore, the more momentum you have. he's right at the edge of that kind of cycle. >> we'll be watching.
an exciting tuesday night ahead. newt gingrich, thank you. donald trump is insisting he does not need to change his style on the campaign trail. will that strategy work and can he get to ma magic number of 1237? ben carson will join me next. you can follow me on twitter @maria bartiromo on twitter. let me know what you would like to hear from ben carson and tom ridge coming up, and bobby knight. we're looking ahead, "sunday morning futures ".
out of the hospital than a leading heart failure medicine. women who are pregnant must not take entresto. it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don't take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren. if you've had angioedema while taking an ace or arb medicine, don't take entresto. the most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure... ...kidney problems, or high potassium in your blood. ♪ tomorrow, tomorrow i love ya, tomorrow.♪ ask your heart doctor about entresto. and help make tomorrow possible. ♪ you're only a day away ♪ welcome back. donald trump's brash style has not deared him to a solid group of supporters. but can it carry him to the white house? analysts say he will need to broaden his base beyond that core group to win the general
election. and toning down his approach could help him appeal to more voters. joining me is dr. ben carson, a former gop candidate himself and a trump supporter. dr. carson, good see you. >> you, too, maria. >> when you look at should donald trump tone it down. i go back to, let's not forget that brash style is what thrust him into the spotlight and resonate with so many people. should he change it now? >> well, a lot of what people are calling brashness is fail you're to comply with the standards of political correctness. i don't think that's something he should give up at all. i think that you do see him tending to focus more on the issues now and less on other people. and i think that's going to be helpful. >> that's what we really need. i think voters and viewers want to hear substance from him about all of the issues he cares about. the one that keeps resonating is the ability to create jobs
because he's a businessman. how do you compare his ability to create jobs to the others in the race right now, including hillary as well as bernie? >> well, you know, he's had practical, real experience in the world. and he's going to surround himself with people with practical experience as well. i don't think it's going to be that difficult. and he and i have talked about this, to get this economy rolling again by simply creating the right kind of fair tax structure, getting rid of the incessant regulations. 81,000 pages of regulatory reform just in the last year. these things are killers when it comes to the job market. so, he understands that. he also understands how to create trade deals that are fair. he doesn't necessarily want us to take advantage of everybody but he doesn't want everybody to take advantage of us. it's something we have not been paying attention to in recent years. >> which is why he's resonating so much with this core group of
people because that's the way they see it. that he is going to be the tough guy who's actually going to protect america. there's the will of the people and then something else, right, dr. carson? he keeps saying the system is rigged and he keeps talking about the fact that you could get the popular vote and not get the delegate count. how do you see it? >> you look at some of the things going on, like in arizona and colorado, what happened in virginia just recently. you know, these things don't truly reflect the will of the people. now, i know the politicians will say, well, it's not about these rules all along. that's how politicians talk. that's what they say. that's what people are so tired of. the status quo, the trickery and the manipulation. they want the candidate to be the person that they have selected. and this is problematic. if the republicans can understand that and address that, believe me, they will also
attract a lot of bernie sanders voters. >> which has been the appeal of donald trump, because some people say, he's bringing in republicans but he's also bringing in democrats. you look at what newt gingrich just told us, voter turnout on the republican side is up 60% while democratic turnout is down, i think, 20%. >> yeah. the enthusiasm issue is one that a lot of these polls don't take into consideration. when you go out and you poll someone on the telephone, that doesn't mean they're actually coming out to vote. it's the enthusiasm that will make the difference in the fall. >> so, what do you think happens now in terms of indiana, california, how important are these contests and how does this race look different, do you think, in the next two weeks? >> well, they're very, very important. and the reason that they're so important is that we've come down to crunch time. and, you know, our founders, in particular thomas jefferson, had an enormous amount of faith in the american people.
not so much the politicians and the political class. they said ultimately when we got into a situation like this where we were at a crossroads in terms of which way the nation was going to go, what kind of people, the people themselves would rise up. they would supercede the system. i believe the people in indiana are probably going to prove that quite effect livety lp i've been to indiana many, many times. there's a lot of solid people there and i think they're going to figure out what's going on there and the manipulation that's going on here. you look at bobby knight and what he represents. and then even -- even governor pen pents, who is a great guy, i love him. but you see how tepid that endorsement was that he did on friday. that's the kind of endorsement you give when you have your backers twisting your arm saying, you have to do this. >> wow. because you also had nice things to say about trump, evenhe was
>> absolutely. it's all about the people. >> we'll speak with bobby knight coming up in the program, the famous basketball coach will be joining us in a few minutes. dr. carson, good to see you. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> dr. carson there. anti-trump protests erupting in california this week. it got ugly as golden state plays a rare role. see how that impacts the race for the white house. we'll look ahead to california next on "sunday morning futures."
welcome back. donald trump blasting violent demonstrators at recent campaign events in california. he called them, quote, thugs and criminals. with five weeks left before the california primary, activists are vowing more of the same. california congressman darrell issa is with me now. congressman, good to see you. thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me on. thank you for covering these thugs, as donald trump put it, and the activities they're doing that are just outright criminal. >> it's horrible. the pictures of these people getting all fwloodyed up. i don't know what they want, really, but what do you think this says as we approach the california primary, which, of course, is going to be critical for this election. >> i think the left, including some of the unions, would like you to believe a safe path to a more gentile america is to go with hillary clinton rather than someone who's been saying, we have to have change if we're going to create jobs.
>> so, where does that leave us? you're right. that is what this is about. trying to show donald trump as the troublemaker and maybe hillary clinton as the calmer, sort of adult in the room. but this is not stopping. so, what is it going to take to bring the country together? is it we have to get through the election? people will have a voice, and they're going to do what they want to do? >> i don't think there's any question at all an election will make the difference because the american people need to speak, at newt gingrich said in the last segment. republicans and independents are showing up so we have a 60% increase in people turning out in republican primaries while the democratic party has no particular desire to turn out and vote for hillary or bernie sanders. but once we get past the election, what we are doing is we're talking about real change. we're going from an economy that has been driven by stimulus and low money into one in which
donald trump, and i'm not going to correct the last segment, but it's not about he knowing how to create jobs. it's about these candidates knowing how jobs are created and they're not created with big government programs. they're created with empowering the private sector to create jobs. that's the difference in our message is one is pro growth through the private sector. the other is continued growth through government. >> i think you make such an important point. this week i was reading about the last eight years of the economy and the truth is, the facts are, that under president obama's leadership these last 7 1/2 years, the economy has been unable to grow at a 3% level or more any year. so, he will employ down as the only president, congressman, that has not seen 3% growth at least in any year of his presidency. it's averaged 1.5% growth, the economy, under president obama. >> well, maria, this is one of the challenges in an economy
that keeps looking for government stimulus, whether it's through artificially low interest rates or through actual trillion dollar packages of stimulus, is people will take the money, but they won't make the investment. the united states needs to be investing in america. i'm not committed to either of the remaining candidates, but the idea that you take your money and you invest it is about believing that your government understands that you want and need a return on that investment. not a short-term, not a guaranteed return, but a long-term one for you, your employees, your community. that environment is the environment that republicans are proposing. it's one in which thugs are showing up and throwing eggs at police who stand there taking showers of rotten eggs because that's the way it's going to be until after the american people speak and make a clear decision they don't want the direction of president obama and, obviously, hillary clinton is very much
pushing to the left of president obama. >> right. so, can hillary clinton be successful running on the idea that she's going to just build on what president obama has already done? there's that question. she's running on an economy that has really just bumped along the bottom, 1.5% growth is not good. almost ten years after the financial crisis. there's that and then, of course, the fbi investigation. i want to play this sound bite of president clinton. he was campaigning for his wife yesterday. he basically called this fbi investigation a game. listen to this. >> he said, oh, no, some of them should have been secret. now, you think about this when you go home. if you're driving in a 50-mile-an-hour zone, and a police officer pulls you over when you're driving 40 and says, i'm sorry i have to give you a ticket because the speed limit here should have been 35 and you should have know this.
look, this a game. >> it's a game. congressman, what do you make of that? how important is this investigation in the fate of hillary clinton's campaign? >> well, briefly, the president -- president clinton is saying it a little inaccurately. what you're really doing is driving in a car that's unregistered and you discover on top of that it has safety violations. oh, by the way, you get into a car crash. what she did was wrong. she knew it was wrong. bill clinton knew it was wrong. her staff knew it was wrong. they did it anyway. now there are at least 20 highly classified -- these are top secret and above documents and over 2,000 that are classified as secret or confidential level. that's not going a little under the speed limit, over the speed limit. it's breaking the law. oh, by the way, this is -- these are the things that happened while you were breaking the law. what's happening in the investigation is, i think the fbi is running into a problem that there's too much to
investigate. i believe they're going to have to make a summary of finding as to her violation of the national records act or keeping of the -- taking of the documents and, of course, a classified portion. they're going to have to leave the actual activities with sidney bloout bluthenthal and h and bill clinton's and chelsea's activitie activities, we'll have to leave that until after the election. >> you're saying part one we'll hear about the e-mail scandal and foundation untand the foundation part until after the election. >> what you find is a series of events in which foreign governments have given large amounts of money simultaneously or near simultaneously to secretary clinton's activities. it's complex. it's the kind of thing that can take the fbi a long time. the question of did hillary
clinton break the law when she set up her private server did she, in fact, recklessly conduct business on it? did she take all those documents with her when she left and stop being a government employee in violations of the federal document act? president clinton, i respect him a great deal, but he understands that when you and your staff are communicating things, you're creating secret documents. so, the idea, well, they weren't classified at the time, you're given classified information. huma and the secretary and others, when they spoke essentially in classified terms in writing, they were creating unlawful activity. i think she'll have to answer at least for the -- not the question of is she indicted or not, but has she disqualified herself from this high office in which you must play by the rules or people die? >> we'll be watching that.
that's a really critical to watch both parts, the e-mail as well as foundation. congressman, goo to see you. thank you. congressman issa there. donald trump picking up an endorsement and coming up, we'll speak with bobby knight. we're looking ahead this morning on "sunday morning futures." i know what i can expect from usaa the usaa car buying app was really helpful. all the information was laid out right there. it makes your life so much easier when you have to purchase a car, so i've been telling everybody. save on your next car with usaa car buying service, powered by truecar.
welcome back. a college basketball legend in indiana making donald trump home court advantage in the state's primary tuesday night. university of indiana's former basketball coach bobby knight announcing his endorsement of donald trump ahead of tuesday's contest. it will be critical in seeing if donald trump can secure the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination. bobby knight joins us to talk more about it. thanks for joining us. >> i'm happy to be here. >> what was so special about donald trump? why did you get behind him? really an important endorsement going into an important primary tuesday. >> well, i think that he has more prerequisites, by far, than anybody who has ever entered the white house. i think his business acumen,
things he has accomplished put him in a position where he doesn't have to practice and learn. he's ready to go. this fellow has had all kinds of business endeavors and they've been very successful. not just on a national level but on a worldwide level. people all over the world know who donald trump is. they know this is going to be aa little different approach from our administration than what we've had in the past. our administration, we look at a lot of things that have happened over the times and so forth and so on. but mr. trump has probably more credentials to go into the white house than any former president we've had, the things he's worked with. then he's had setbacks here and there. but he's always been able to overcome that. he's figured out a way to do something better when things have gone wrong.
i think those are essential ingredients in a president and in a white house. i think we'll find that dr. trump's white house -- donald trump's white house will have a great rapport with the military, which is something we do now. and something that is absolutely a necessity. we had a terrible situation where our government failed to protect american citizens in that benghazi affair. i think that may be one of the worst things in my lifetime we've heard from our mirn government, and that will never happen under a trump administration. trump's administration will take care in any way of americans abroad. that's something that i think will be essential in years to come, just like having a rapport with the united states military that will be just what it should be. >> what kind of a response have you gotten from the people around you, people of indiana, when you first came out real
bullish for donald trump? >> well, that was really interesting. when mr. trump first called me about would i be willing to speak with him in indiana, i told him yes. then i started asking people about donald trump. ladies, men, actually, a lot of ladies, just how do you feel about donald trump? and they found the question -- the question i got is he might be a little abrasive. but that's pretty good in some cases. abriss iveness is necessary in some political dealings. i was really not surprised but i was really amazed at the amount of positive reaction i got from both men and women relative to my choice to support donald trump for the presidency. i had not one single person say, well, coach, i don't think you should do that. i had people simply say, you know, coach, i think that he's doing really well. i think he has a lot of things going for him, he's done a lot
of things. like, let's take jobs, for instance. trump has provided hundreds -- thousands of jobs for people in the united states. around the world with all of his business endeavors. that's something that's important right now, is the creation of jobs. this is a guy that is used to doing that. he has a great record in that. he is not a guy going into the white house that hasn't given up a lot of different things that have been very worth while in both the american economy, our military and in every regard. and as i try to look at every candidate, i was a history major in college, and i've always been interested in politics, i've watched things go, but i've never been a republican or democrat. i think i've been an american. i want to see the best person for the job, and it happens to
be in this situation, in my mind, it simply happens to be donald trump. >> all right. we'll be watching that. obviously, your voice is going to be real important come tuesday. your voice has already been very important. tuesday we'll see it play out in the indiana primary, sir. thanks so much for joining us. >> okay. i appreciate being here. >> we'll see you soon. bobby knight joining us. it has been five years since the u.s. navy s.e.a.l.s took down osama bin laden. where are we now in the fight against trochl? take a look next with governor tom ridge. the pursuit of healthier. it begins from the second we're born. because, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned every day. using wellness to keep away illness. and believing a single life can be made better by millions of others. as a health services and innovation company optum powers modern healthcare by connecting
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>> that was five years ago. president obama five years ago today announcing the death of osama bin laden. al qaeda no longer the top threat today. that title now belongs to isis. but the terrorist network still remains a real danger to the country. joining me is pennsylvania governor tom ridge and also the former secretary of homeland security. thank you for joining us. >> good to join you this morning. >> five years after that faithful fateful day, when the united states took down osama bin laden. >> first of all, we should all remember president bush standing on the rubble of the twin towers, announcing to osama bin laden, it may take a while, but we'll bring you down. thanks to the relentless effort, the bravery and sacrifice of our military, we kept our word. since that time i've heard the same president announced we got osama bin laden talk about having al qaeda being decimated
al qaeda on the run, al qaeda on the way to defeat. quite frankly, that does not square with reality. al qaeda as an entity has grown. probably has operations in 12 to 14 countries and also has affiliates or surrogates in indonesia, the philippines, syria. the reality is his description of transpired since we got osama bin laden, al qaeda is stronger and intated in more parts of the world today than the day we got bin laden. >> not to mention a group of al qaeda leaders actually morphed themselves into what they're calling isis now. so, you've got isis as well. >> absolutely. >> what should be done at this point to take down isis? what's your take in terms of the u.s. has missed steps or what we could be doing better in terms of getting our arms around these terrorists? >> maria, candidly, i'm not sure we'll have a change in
strategist. we need the next president to just be straight with the united states of america. this is a global scourge, they have sanctuaries around the world. their interests are contrary to ours. our interests are at risk in united states the and elsewhere. it was al qaeda a year, year and a half after this -- we took down bin laden, was responsible for the death of the ambassador and his security team. so, the next president has to be on honest with the world. the president refuses to take about a global scourge. denying its existence doesn't mean it goes away. the president refuses to say this is islamic fundamentalism and denying the idealism they embrace. hopefully the next president will accept the notion it's a global scourge and lead an international coalition to start
dealing with it in a more tactical way. right now i think the president is running out the clock, get out of town and lead this challenge to the next president of the united states. >> who's the best person for that job? whose approach to terrorism will be the best? >> i thought the best person to deal with this a long time ago was jeb bush. but we have to see how it plays out. one thing i think we need to say to both sides of the aisle, there's not a bumper sticker to deal with the terrorism scourge. the next president has to talk to american people. it's a serious risk. we can handle the risk but we need a president to provide not only domestic leadership but international leadership. until we have a president that's willing to do it 1k3 understand the challenge will require a
commitment of our diplomatic capabilities, a commitment of our military resources, our commitment to building a coalition with a serious plan to go after it in multiple venues across the globe, we'll be dealing with this for a long, long time. >> sure are. mr. secretary, good to see you. the president's final white house correspondents' dinner was last night. our panel up next. we're looking ahead on "sunday morning futures." stay with us. the panel on what's ahead. they brought this on themselves.
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they say donald lacks the foreign policy experience to be president. but in fairness, he has spent years meeting with leaders from around the world, miss sweden, miss argentina. >> president obama last night at his final white house correspondents' dinner taking a jab at donald trump. catherine kent is joining us, a fox news contributor, and senior vice president of global strategy group and a democratic strategist. good to see you all. >> thanks. >> obama is always good at that dinner. once again, he crushed it. >> he's a great talent. used to be three or four decades ago, it's all about celebrities. >> i was there last night and they were all talking about donald trump because he was there last year and i guess the president made some jokes about
him last year as well. some of these jokes resonate, catherine, because people are thinking, yes, he did the miss universe pageant. >> obama was so funny last night. i really thought -- the way he hit hillary, the way that he was hitting trump, the republicans. he really went all over the place. it was great. yeah, it is bizarre and i'm sure he was thinking, what happened now in terms of last year, remember he said he wanted to change the tone of politics but he should have been more specific. i thought that was really funny because nobody could have seen this kind of thing coming. >> and nobody said that. we had the dinner and joking but there are things resonating going into indiana. and that is jobs. how are you feeling about hillary clinton going into indiana and donald trump? >> i think hillary clinton is in great shape. she's solidified her position as a presumptive nominee. she's far ahead in polling.
i think it's been better for her to have a competitive democratic primary because she's at her best when she's fighting as opposed to being regal. i think donald trump is going to win indiana. >> you do? >> yeah. but look, he's not in any better position than he was a couple of months ago. he gave a good foreign policy speech this week when he finally used a teleprompter and said things that people had told him to say but it was completely overshadowed by the woman card and endorsements from bobby knight and mike tyson. he keeps sort of his way of presenting himself keeps driving a further and further wedge between him and the rest of the electorate besides republican primary electorates. >> there was a poll out this morning that it is 50/50, trump/clinton. >> the poll is more important at
this time is "the wall street journal" marist which has trump up 15 points in indiana. cruz can't get a break. he obviously had a big week. he got some good endorsements, two governors. meanwhile, trump gets endorsed by the kkk in richmond and my sense is he's going to be hard to stop. this is it. if he doesn't get stopped this week, it's over. >> yeah. he's going to win. he's defin to win in indiana. i didn't understand the carly fiorina pick right before indiana either. she outsourced so many jobs. she was never that popular. and it does seem desperate but i guess maybe to distract from the trump sweep. but i still don't know if even after that he'll drop out because there's the never trump people are going to be never trump no matter what and he is so -- his candidacy is so much bigger than just him. >> i don't think he drops out. >> no. >> the rest of the republican party seems to be sort of cycling between the last two
stages of grief between depression and acceptance. >> acceptance, yeah. >> ted cruz is completely in denial. >> there's plenty of denial still, actually. plenty of it. >> look, let's face it, if we have a contested convention, we don't mow what happens in the second ballot. we don't know. >> we don't know and obviously he's got 57 delegates on tuesday. my sense is trump wins the majority, may win them all. if he doesn't, you've got to continue and big one in california with 172 delegates and obviously my sense is trump either gets there or gets awful close to the margin and then you have a real battle. i would tell you that the majority of the delegates there would rather have someone other than trump at the end of the day and that may not happen. there's other things like platforms, rules, all sorts of stuff that nobody has bothered to focus on. >> it's true. a lot of good points. thank you, panel. appreciate it. ed rollins, katherine, good to
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donald trump declares himself the nominee after sweeping five northeastern states. ted cruz says the media are thrilled to boost the billionaire and the pundit debate when this race is over. >> i think he is the presumptive nominee and it isn't going to be the easy path that the democrats would like. >> is he the presumptive nominee? >> i would say yes. >> the time has come to admit that republican voters want donald trump as their nominee. do you see that? >> are the pundits who mocked trump's chances finally coming out of