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all my life all i wanted was a picture with shannon. life the complete. >> you looked very sharp. we had to go to bed so we could be with you today. thanks for joining us. >> 20th anniversary of next. congrats to chris wallace. >> i'm chris wallace. how close is donald trump to wrapping up the republican nomination? today the gop front-runner, only on fox news sunday. ♪ >> i consider myself the presumptive nominee, absolutely. >> but can he bring the party together? >> the biggest senators, the biggest congresspeople. we have unbelievable support. >> trump, one on one. it's a fox news sunday exclusive. then ted cruz makes a series of dramatic moves before this week's primary in indiana. it could be make or break. >> there is nothing that hoosiers cannot do. >> heaven names a running mate.
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>> and the next vice president of the united states -- carly fiorina. [ cheers ] >> we'll ask cruz about maneuvers being called daring or desperate. plus, what about the comments from john boehner? >> lucifer in the flesh. [ laughter ] >> we'll ask our sunday panel why cruz is so hated in washington. and this program marks its first 20 years. >> good morning. i'm tony snow. >> you did fox's bidding on the show. you did your conservative hit job on me. >> not gonna do that. >> hello again from fox news in washington. this week fox news sunday marks 20 years on the air. today as the republican race for president approaches, what could be a tipping point we'll speak with donald trump and ted cruz,
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the top two candidates. trump agreed to an exclusive today to mark our anniversary. after landslide victories on the east coast he's looking ahead to indiana tuesday where a big win could effectively clinch the nomination. mr. trump, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> good morning. >> you were the target of sometimes violent protests in california this week opposing your hard line immigration policy. are you concerned that if you are the republican nominee these demonstrations could disrupt your campaign? >> no. we were at that particular moment we had 31,000 people in the stands. it was packed. they have never had a crowd like that. that's the biggest crowd they have had. 31,000 people. we didn't have a riot. we didn't have anybody even raise their hand. it was a lovefest for an hour and a half. it was incredible. i didn't even see the riot. these are wise guys that stomp on policemen's cars and it is
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terrible people can get away with this. these were professional agitators wearing masks. the comes said when you see a guy in a mask you know he's a professional. these people have to be dealt with strongly. you can't allow that to happen to a police car. you know, essentially. but this was an amazing -- this was an amazing evening with 31,000 people and almost never -- other than a couple of helicopter shots -- did anybody see the crowd, the massiveness of the crowd. a record-setting crowd. nobody even saw it. they only showed some guys making noise outside. >> mr. trump, it isn't just, as you say, professional agitators. you have angered a lot of people in this country beyond even the illegal immigrants. in a recent poll 15% of hispanic voters have a favorable view of you. 81% unflavorable. i don't have to tell you, you cannot win in november with those numbers.
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>> i say those numbers are going way up once i start going. i have two more people to get rid of. i started off with 17. one by one i knocked them off. i knock off jeb bush who was easy. walker, a lot of talented people. frankly, i have to do what i have to do. now once i start on hillary, you will see the numbers change. look, when i started this everybody said, i'm not a professional politician which is a good thing, by the way. it's true. one by one, i won. >> but how about -- >> now the history -- watch what happens with hillary. watch what happens with my numbers. i have been hit with 55,000 negative ads, over $100 million of negative ads. kasich hasn't been hit with one ad. he's not going anywhere anyway,
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frankly. he hasn't been hit with an ad and neither has cruz. i have been hit with 55,000 ads and i'm leading in a landslide. doing really well as you have seen in indiana. one more thing, the last two polls that came out have me tied with hillary. one has me winning. >> let me talk to you about -- you talked about hillary clinton. let's talk about your standing with women, too. in the same poll that showed you negative among hispanic voters, 24% of women have a favorable view of you, 75% unfavorable. yet in your victory speech on tuesday night, here's what you had to say about clinton. >> i think the only card she has is the woman's card. she's got nothing else going. frankly, if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she'd get 5% of the vote. >> i have to tell you, strategists in both parties say if you consciously went about it, if you specifically planned you couldn't have said anything that would drive your numbers among women even lower. >> really? okay. i'm my own strategist. i like what i said and it's true.
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i only tell the truth. that's why people voted for me. >> wait a minute. >> in the republican primaries where i beat cruz by numbers like 50%. i was up by so much. i had 62 in new york. 63 and 64. >> mr. trump -- >> with all those states. >> whether or not -- let me just ask the question. >> but chris, all of the polls coming out i won with the women by landslides. i beat cruz and kasich -- >> i understand, but hillary clinton is a different deal. regardless of whether you like her or not or think she should be president or not, she was a senator. she was secretary of state for four years. to say if she were a man she would get 5%, isn't that dismissive? >> bernie sanders said worse than that. he said she almost shouldn't be allowed to run, that she's not qualified to run. and she's not capable. bernie sanders, what he said was a lot worse than what i said. i will use that. we'll have that teed up. bernie sanders said she shouldn't be allowed to run, that she's not capable.
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it's a sound bite. they broke in and said, i can imagine donald trump watching the statements bernie sanders is making about clinton. she's a strong person. she has to be able to take it. the only card she has is the woman's card. she's done a lousy job. even women don't like her. it is the woman's card and she plays it. i will let you know in six months whether or not she plays it well. i don't think she'll play it well at all. it's true. if she were not a woman she would not be in the race. >> let's talk about your big foreign policy speech this week which i think it's fair to say got mixed reviews. one of the biggest criticisms perhaps was there were contradictions. for instance in how you would handle the middle east. here you are. >> we are getting out of the nation-building business and instead focusing on creating
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stability in the world. >> the question is if we are going to disengage from that part of the world how do we promote stability? you talk about in your speech the futility of creating democracies. would you like to see a return to strong men in the middle east? people like mubarek and saddam hussein? >> isn't it too bad we knocked him out in the first place? you know, if our presidents went to the beach for 365 days a year we would be better off in the middle east than we are now. now you have a mess. a big fat mess. i called that a long time ago -- in 2004, 2003. i said when you knock out iraq you will ruin the balance. the balance has been horrible. then you have libya, syria and everything. they couldn't have been worse. the people that advised our presidents or whoever came up with the plan, i mean, what we have done in the middle east, we spent $4 trillion and we are far worse than the first gunshot fired. we have to knock off isis and we have to at some point get out of
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there. we have to rebuild our country. our country is becoming third world. our airports, roadways, train systems. you go to china, other places and they have trains that travel 300 miles per hour. we have the long island railroad that can hardly move. i mean, we are like a third world country. we have to get rid of isis and we have to get rid of them very decisively. i have said for a long time, keep the oil. isis now has libyan oils, among the finest in the world. we don't even do anything to stop it. >> mr. trump -- >> they are making a fortune with libyan oil. >> let me --
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>> if we had left gadhafi you wouldn't have that. every move we made in the middle east was wrong. they want me to get great foreign advise rs and geniuses. they have been involved for 15 years. i don't want the people that have been involved for 15 years. those are the people that have vul what they have done to this country and our country. on top of it we owe $19 trillion in debt. >> let me pick up on this. you said we need to stop spending money overseas and spend it at home. that sounds like a liberal democrat. the question i have is you talk about the mess -- your words -- that bush and obama and clinton have made in the middle east. interventions in iraq and libya. it almost sounds like you would be, as a general election candidate you would be criticizing hillary clinton from the left that we should be less intervening in the rest of the world. >> i want to rebuild our country. i want to rebuild our military, make it bigger, better, stronger than ever before. i want to take care of our vets. we have to handle education, get rid of obamacare. our education system is a disaster. we have to get rid of common
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core which is no good. >> would it be fair to say hillary clinton is the hawk in the race? >> we have so many things to do with the country. we are spending our money in the middle east. the numbers are crazy. on top of that we are defending the world. we are the policemen to the world. >> would it be fair to say that hillary clinton will be the hawk in this race and you will be the dove? >> no. i will tell you what. i will be much tougher than her. i will have much more respect than her from foreign countries. in fact, i read today where they are concerned with me. they feel i am strong, tough. and they are concerned. that's a little opposite of what you are telling me. that's a psychological thing. let them be concerned. look, we are defending germany, japan, south korea, saudi arabia with that money and we are not being reimbursed. we don't have any money and we are the policemen to the world. we are going to strengthen the military big leagues, the cheapest money you can spend. we have to pull back. that's just a big mess. that's a revolution, a civil war, a religious war going over there. we are in the middle of it. for 15 years we have been wasting time, killing lives and lives on both sides. >> mr. trump, we are running out of time. >> hundreds of thousands, even
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millions of people have been killed because of horrible decision-making by the president. >> for my 20th anniversary let me ask a couple of questions, okay? >> yes. >> president obama took shots at you again at the white house correspondents dinner last night. here is one of them. >> donald lacks the foreign policy experience to be president. but in fairness, he has spent years meeting with leaders from around the world in sweden. miss argentina. >> he also said you could close guantanamo bay because you are good at running waterfront properties into the ground. >> well, i guess i'm good at something. i made $10 billion and i started with a $1 million loan. now i have over $10 billion of net worth. i guess i'm good at something. i have the best waterfront properties in the world. i don't know what he's talking about. but i have some of the great waterfront properties in the world. look at turnbury, the jobs i have done in los angeles. >> your reaction to what the president had to say? >> i think it was fine.
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it's a comedy. he did a nice job. it was good. i wasn't there. i thought he did a nice job. my children went actually. >> finally, let's turn to the indiana primary on tuesday. we talked with ted cruz earlier. we'll play that in the next segment. but here is how he posed the choice for voters in indiana. here he is. >> you want a contrast to this race it is donald and mike tyson, a convicted racist versus me and carly fiorina with mike pence. >> the cruz campaign is making an issue of your support for mike tyson back during the time of the rain conviction in 1992. your reaction to that? >> it just shows what a liar he is. mike tyson over the internet endorsed me. he said, i endorse mr. trump. that was it. no big deal. i didn't have a meeting or anything. i haven't seen mike in years. he endorsed me so cruz is saying, oh, he was a rapist. this guy is a liar.
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that's why we call him lying ted cruz. the greatest liar but he gets caught every time. i have bobby knight's endorsement. after the show i'm going to indiana. we'll have bobby knight and other people that are unbelievable. if you look at mike pence he gave me more than cruz. he started with donald trump and what a great job he's done. look, his donors and special interests obviously made him give an endorsement. but you know, chris, most people think it was more of an endorsement for me than cruz. it was the weakest endorsement anyone has seen in all time. >> final 30 seconds. if you win indiana tuesday, is this race over? >> yes, it's over. i think it's over now. but it's over. cruz cannot win. he's got no highway. he's got nothing. he's way behind. i'm leading by millions of votes and by 400 or 500 delegates. he can't win. >> mr. trump, thanks for your time.
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thank you very much for coming in today, sir. >> thank you very much. happy anniversary. >> thank you. up next, do or die for ted cruz in indiana. we'll talk about the extraordinary steps he took this week to try to save his campaign. as fox news sunday marks 20 years on the air we'll play highlights. the first from an interview i did with the original host tony snow about a day none of us will ever forget. good morning. i'm tony snow. welcome to fox news sunday. >> over the seven-plus years is there one show, one sunday that stands out? >> right after september 11th. >> you choked up at the end? >> yeah, of course i did. a solitary candle, a flag, a tear. these are the tokens of our renewal. at the end i got choked up by saying we are not going to lose. i get choked up thinking about it now.
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a look outside the belt way at notre dame university in indiana. on tuesday voters go to the polls in the hoosier state in a primary senator cruz hopes won't be his last stand. i spoke to him yesterday about efforts to breathe new life into his campaign. senator, i want to start with the unusual steps you took this week to shore up your campaign. first of all the deal with john kasich where he's staying out of indiana and you will stay out of oregon and new mexico. you like to rail against the washington cartel, but isn't your deal with john kasich the essence of a cartel? >> well, chris, good morning.
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it's good to be with you. thank you for having me. congratulations on your 20th anniversary as a show. always a pressure to join you. >> thank you. >> listen, it is very simple. with kasich, he made a decision about allocation of resources. i made a decision about allocation of resources. he decided to pull out of indiana to focus elsewhere. i made the decision to go all in on indiana and focus on indiana. that's a natural thing both of our campaigns did from the perspective of where we thought we were best positioned to win. i will tell you what john kasich and i agree on. we disagree on some policy issues. we agree that hillary clinton would be disastrous as the next president of this country and that nominating donald trump ensures that hillary clinton wins. neither of us want to see donald trump as the nominee handing the general election to hillary clinton. >> but, sir -- >> that's why i'm campaigning hard in indiana to win the great state of indiana. >> but it is a deal, you would certainly agree. i want to put up what you said about the deal this week.
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here it is. >> i recognize the media is eager to talk about an alliance. there is no alliance. >> but shortly after john weaver, kasich's chief strategist tweeted this. i can't stand liars, clearly implying it is an alliance and there was an agreement between the camps. >> our focus is on winning indiana. i will tell you what the voters care about. they care about jobs, bringing jobs back to america. they care about bringing manufacturing jobs back to america. they care about raising wages for working men and women who have been left in the cold. they care about ending the administration's war on coal
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which is wrong and immoral. they care about expanding opportunity for young people. so that's my focus. we are barnstorming the state. i have to say, chris, this has been an incredible week. in the past week we received a couple of days ago the support of indiana's governor mike pence, an incredibly well respected strong conservative in indiana. we received just yesterday the support of former governor pete wilson in california. another strong leader that's a big deal in the state that i think will decide this whole thing. obviously earlier this week we announced carly fiorina as my vice presidential nominee and that announcement has injected energy and momentum. people are excited about having a clear and meaningful -- >> let me get to carly fiorina and on the issue of jobs. yes, you named her as your running mate. outsourcing is a big issue in indiana. the company that controls carrier air conditioning will
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shift jobs from indiana to mexico. fiorina has laid off 30,000 people at hewlett-packard and outsourced jobs to india and china. will the cruz/fiorina team do the same thing to indiana she did to hewlett-packard? >> carly has an incredible business record and an incredible personal story. carly started as a secretary and rose the corporate ladder to be ceo, the first female ceo -- >> but, sir -- >> she was the first female ceo of a fortune 20 company in history. she helped hp become the largest technology company in the world, achieve remarkable success. many jobs were transferred from one state to another within the united states. when it comes to bringing jobs back to america, there could not be a clearer contrast between carly and me on the one hand and donald trump and hillary clinton on the other. donald trump and hillary clinton are flip sides of the same coin. they both have the same approach. take carrier. that's a good example. it is a travesty that they are pulling jobs out of indiana, moving them to mexico. the reason they are doing it is because of the obama administration's crushing taxes and crushing regulations. what is donald trump's response
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to that? he says he's going to punish carrier, use the power of the federal government to punish them. that's the same thing hillary clinton says, the same thing barack obama says. that's the response of big government liberals that we are going to enact policies to kill jobs and when businesses flee we'll use the power of government to punish them. my approach is different. i understand what both reagan and john f. kennedy understand. when you cut taxes and reduce regulations you see millions of new jobs. what i'm going to do is repeal obamacare, rein in regulators killing jobs. over 200 regulations -- >> i don't mean to interrupt. your people have insisted on limited time. so i do want to get to other questions. you talk about fiorina. back when she was a candidate running for president she took
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shots at you. here is one. >> ted cruz is like any other politician. he says one thing in manhattan, another in iowa. he says what he needs to say to get elected and then will do as he pleases. >> less than four months ago
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there's your running mate saying you are a typical politician. >> look, chris, she was a competitor in a primary. she was a vigorous competitor and competitors in primaries throw shots at each other. we remember when reagan named george herbert walker bush and they had to explain why bush called reagan economics voodoo economics. i spent weeks and weeks campaigning with carly, barnstorming. we have been barnstorming all over the state of indiana together. i have gotten to know her personally. in selecting a vice president that's probably the most decision any presidential candidate will make. i was looking for someone with knowledge, with judgment and with character. with the sort of temperament to make calm, cool, reasoned decisions, not to fly off the handle and be rash and respond to the latest twitterstorm. but to respond to the problems facing this country and the contrast is important. we've got to fix these problems. it's one thing to yell about jobs. it is another to know how to fix them. it is the contrast that donald would yell and scream and punish carrier but he has no economic policy to bring the jobs back. i believe carrier will bring the jobs back to indiana because we'll create such an attractive business environment we'll see companies moving to america, creating jobs because we will have reduced taxes, passed a flat tax, abolished the irs, reigned in the regulators.
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in fact -- >> senator, if i may, i hate to interrupt. we have limited time at your campaign's insistence. i want to ask about former house speaker john boehner who talked about you this week as you know. here he is. >> lucifer in the flesh. i get along with almost everybody. but i have never worked with a more miserable son of a [ bleep ]. >> it's not just boehner. congressman pete -- of new york says i hate ted cruz. former senator judd gregg says he's a demagogue's demagogue. he shouldn't be trusted with the responsibilities of the office. you are perhaps more polarizing than he is. >> let me say i don't know john boehner. he and i have said maybe 50 words to one another. >> he feels you worked against him in the house stopping deals he was trying to make. >> you are exactly right and
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he's correct on that. in that same comment john boehner praised hillary clinton, said she was terrific and praised donald trump. donald is his friend, his golfing and texting buddy. you're right. the reason donald hates me isn't anything i have said or done to him. i stood with the american people and said we need to do what we said we would do. we need to fight against obamacare. we need to fight against the debt bankrupting our country and stop amnesty. boehner wanted to cut deals with obama and hillary and what this reveals -- you know, the biggest fraud of the election is donald trump pretending to be an outsider. john boehner and donald trump and hillary clinton are all washington insiders. it's the same corrupt washington game. as you put it, boehner is mad at me because i fought against deals he was cutting with obama. donald trump is exactly like boehner and hillary in cutting those deals. that's why the american people want someone like carly and me to stand with them instead of washington. >> i have one last question in the limited time your campaign has given us. in a fund-raising e-mail this week you say this. make no mistake.
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indiana is absolutely pivotal. senator, you finally have trump in the one on one contest you have been longing for. indiana would seem to be a conservative state that would favor you. if you don't win in indiana under these circumstances, is this race over? >> well, listen, i agree that indiana is incredibly important. regardless of what happens in indiana, donald trump is not getting to 1237. no one is getting to 1237. we are headed to a contested convention. i will have a ton of delegates there. donald will. >> if he beats you -- >> it will be a battle to see who can earn a majority. of course not. it will be a battle to see who can earn a majority of the delegates elected by the people at the convention and the reason donald is so frantic to say the race is over and try to get his media ak lites to say the race is over is because donald knows he cannot earn a majority of the delegates that were elected by the people. you've got to win a majority. if you can't win a majority you
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can't unite the party and you can't win. let me make a final point, chris. if you want as clear a contrast as possible in indiana, this week i was celebrating the support of carly fiorina and mike pence. this week in indiana, donald trump was celebrating the support of mike tyson, a convicted rapist who spent three years -- >> he also has the support of bobby knight. >> let me be clear, chris. donald said he thinks mike tyson is, quote, a tough guy. i don't think rapists are tough guys. i think they are cowards, weaklings and bullies. you want a contrast of the race? it is donald and mike tyson, a convicted rapist versus me standing with carly fiorina and mike pence. i think the good people of the hoosier state, that's a choice good judgment and mid western common sense will yield the right decision. >> next time i hope we have more time to talk. always appreciated. >> i look forward to it. up next, we bring in the sunday group to discuss the battle for indiana. plus, what would you like to ask the panel about the move by cruz
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naming carly fiorina as his running mate? go to facebook or twitter @fox news sunday. we may use your question on the air. >> why didn't you do more to put bin laden and al qaeda out of business when you were president? >> so you did fox's bidding on this show. you did your nice little conservative hit job on me. >> wait a minute, sir. >> what i want to know -- >> you don't think that was legitimate? >> it was legitimate. but how many people in the bush administration did you ask this question of. >> all the talk about the nuclear program, the aluminum tubes was wrong. >> the intelligence apt the time and it is a fact you can only act today on what you knew yesterday.
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i think we are engaged in a fight for the soul of our party. i think values and principles and policies actually matter. >> ted cruz and his running mate carly fiorina now both taking on donald trump ahead of the crucial indiana primary. it's time now for our sunday group. syndicated columnist george will, co-host of the five kimberly guilfoyle, author of the book "making the case. gop strategist karl rove. and fox news political analyst juan williams whose book "we the
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people" is just out. i don't have a book. i have nothing to sell today. we asked you for questions for the panel and we got a bunch -- mostly negative -- about cruz picking carly fiorina as his running mate at this point in the race. jay klein said an act of desperation from a dying campaign. chad tweeted this, desperate move. who picks a vice president before securing the nomination? really. karl, how do you answer jay and chad? are they right or could the fiorina move help cruz? >> they are right and it could help cruz. i received an e-mail this week from ted. he said indiana could be the deciding factor. he admitted there was, quote, absolutely pivotal and if -- >> i have the same e-mail. >> wait a minute. you mean it went to more than one person. he said if trump won indiana it could all be but over. >> right. >> this is not a strategist move. this was a tactical move.
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the primary was a good night for donald trump. what better way to stop people in indiana from focusing on that than naming your vice presidential running mate and spending time in indiana? it was a desperate move. but it may have shut down a certain amount of the coverage of trump's primary win and spend more time on the pizzazz of a vice presidential running mate. reagan did it in 1976, desperate to overcome the advantage gerald ford had. desperate to make in-roads among 54 uncommitted delegates. several weeks before the convention he names -- >> did it work? >> it didn't. >> all right. kimberly, let me pick up with you. it wasn't the only move. you have cruz naming fiorina, cruz making the deal that he said wasn't an alliance with kasich to get him out. daring or desperate? >> i think of course you have to make some daring attempts to have a campaign of no regrets. this is part of his narrative
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going forward to try to stay in the race. if he doesn't succeed in indiana he can say i'm going with carly. this is someone from california. this is hopefully to motivate women and other suburbans to support him. i think it was the only play he had. i still think ultimately he's not going to prevail in indiana. it won't be enough. it wasn't enough of a ringing endorsement of pence. trump outplayed him with the endorsement of bobby knight. that was resounding. >> we need to point out for people who don't know because this is the third reference to him. bobby knight was the legendary basketball coach of the indiana hoosiers. college basketball team. >> and then you have ted cruz referring to the ring. >> he said a basketball ring. >> that wasn't exactly a winning comment in the state of indiana. he has a tough time going forward. karl has a poll he does well in. but momentum is with trump. i don't think carly is a game
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changer. >> george, you made it clear during the campaign and you make it clear in the column today how much you don't like mr. trump. i want to put up a new poll just out this morning from nbc which shows -- this is dramatic. i must say unlike a lot of other polls trump with a 15-point lead. 49-34 over cruz in indiana with kasich back at 13. if it's anything close to that, this race is over, isn't it? >> that's important if true. so is the poll for the center for indianas politics which has cruz up almost 16 points. 44.8 to 29 for trump and 13 for kasich. this was the one on one fight that cruz wanted with trump with an asterisk that as a lot of people voted early before the so-called pact between cruz and kasich this was supposed to be
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favorable partly because the social issues played a large part in the indiana politics. the problem is indiana politics has been convulsed by social issues. it may be a burnt over affair and people may be tired of that. finally, there is the common portrayal of indiana as a prostrate industrial power destroyed by nafta and other things. indiana has the nation's highest percentage of gdp from manufacturing. of all 50 states. in a way under the policies of mitch daniels and mike pence, both cruz and trump have praised, the state is thriving. >> would you agree -- and as you say, take the poll you choose and go with that. but if on tuesday night trump wins, over? >> yes. how's that for an answer? >> that's it. the race is over. >> it would be like drawing to
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an inside straight in poker. >> the fight will go on but it will be really with the idea of accumulating delegates for fights on the platform and influence over the vice presidential nomination if trump wins. >> which raises the question, juan, if we end up -- as a lot of news junkies are hoping, some people perhaps dreading -- a clinton/trump general election the insiders say clinton wins, trump's negatives among hispanics, young people, women are too high. conventional wisdom has been wrong all year. >> the conventional wisdom was republican voters might change, almost wake up and say, hey, we are having fun with donald trump. it's entertaining, but this is getting serious. didn't happen. here is the thing, chris. the polls have been consistent in terms of trump versus clinton. the polls haven't varied there. gop electorate dominated by white males, older males and the
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general election voter far more diverse. so trump is right now in trouble as you said. not only with latinos but black voters, women voters. young voters, millennials, right? there is just no question that i think george will once talked about this blue wall in terms of the electoral college. the electoral college has been consistent. what state is donald trump going to flip? i don't see it. >> you asked that rhetorically. >> i'm being very real about that. >> he says a lot of the industrial, upper midwest, pennsylvan pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin. >> not one. even if he were to flip, pennsylvania, virginia, florida. he still loses. you have a democratic built in advantage in terms of the electoral college. donald trump is the least effective republican right now to change that electoral map. >> i know you are not a big trump fan. is there a path to 270 electoral votes? >> there is. it's an ugly path.
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let's start with this. the favorable/unfavorable and clear politics for donald trump is 28.4 favorable, 65.4 unfavorable. 37-point deficit. >> her un -- >> i will get to that. 38.4 favorable for hillary clinton. 54.9 unfavorable. 16.5 deficit. they are both in bad shape. both upside down. that points to the only way to win for trump is to make hillary clinton worse than he is. that's difficult. remember, by the time we get to the conventions, july 18 and july 25, about 80% of the campaign will have been over. and once these opinions are in place, they are difficult to change. one final point. in the latest "wall street journal" nbc poll, you liked the last one. clinton's negatives are 56% negative, 42% very. trump's are 65 negative, 53 very. >> let me add in here quickly. the story -- >> different from the last 20
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years. quickly. >> i will quickly add in. hillary clinton with the negatives you would say, boy, republicans should be salivating. but with trump in the race trump is the story. he's the lightning rod for the negative opinion. >> we need to take a break here. when we come back, donald trump lays out the vision for america's foreign policy. president obama makes his final appearance at the white house correspondents dinner. our sunday group gives us their reviews. six weeks ago we started something called the obama watch. the amount of time that passed since the senator promised me he would come on fox news sunday. >> thank you for having me. >> long time no see. i'm mary ellen, and i quit smoking with chantix. i have smoked for 30 years and by taking chantix, i was able to quit in 3 months and that was amazing. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it absolutely reduced my urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior,
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always -- the interests of american people and american security above all else. america first will be the major and overriding theme of my administration. donald trump unveiling his foreign policy vegas this week in washington. we are back now with the panel. george, the trump campaign made a big deal about this foreign policy speech saying that the candidate was putting some meat, some policy meat on the bones of his campaign. how did he do? >> it's like a cornish game hen that's mostly bone, i'm afraid. not much meat. he said foreign policy should be consistent, deliberate and disciplined but unpredictable. there was a time during the vietnam peace negotiations when nixon -- it was called the mad man theory -- wanted to convince them he was a little bit cracked and they may want to negotiate. mr. trump said we should abide by our agreements except the trade agreements which he promises, i think, to repudiate.
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>> and the iran deal. >> and the iran deal. he also referred to our problems with russia as a cycle of hostility which is a way of postulating moral equivalence. they do something, we do something, everyone is to blame. finally he said obama has made iran a great power. that seems to me an example of what's called narcissistic policy disorder. the belief that everything that happens in the world is because of something we did or didn't do. again, it inflates the american role at a time when mr. trump was trying, i think, to withdraw america's role and shrink it a bit. >> kimberly, do you see a coherent trump policy or is it mostly just assurances, trust me, i will make it work. >> you can see the trump doctrine he was trying to develop saying he wants to build up the military because there was significant military cuts. we need to do that. we need to modify the rules of
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engagement which have been crippling to that's that go overseas to fight for us. when you look at the failed foreign policies of the last eight years of president obama, the nation and military is willing and ready for a change. we are not doing better in a better position in the middle east. failure to engage with proper status and forces of agreement in place. you look at the rise of isis, the caliphate. that's what the country is seeing. we need a strong leader, somebody that has the right people in place. what i think would be significant is to get the right team including perhaps a vice presidential pick, a strong general, someone like petraeus or with significant foreign policy experience like condaleeza rice would be an outstanding choice. >> do you know something? >> i'm interested in having a republican in the white house. it will be different once he gets the nomination. you will see how many people will get on board and want to
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take back the white house and prevent hillary clinton from getting in and having the same policies she's been tethered to with barack obama. >> karl, it was interesting talking about clinton and trump, i asked trump about the fact that he seems -- he talked in a sense like a liberal democrat about we need to stop spending so much overseas, spend more at home. how would it work if you had a campaign which in effect the republican nominee was running on foreign policy to the left of the democratic nominee? >> he may attempt to do that with remarks in a speech he attacked her and president obama for having removed gadhafi from power. at the same time he was saying gadhafi needs to be removed from power. there are so many contradictions. he said no more foreign wars. yet we'll remove isis and it will be gone quickly. how do you remove isis gone quickly if you don't send american troops abroad? he said we'll end nation building. no more, quote, spreading
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universal values nobody shares or wants. instead said we would strengthen and promote western civilization. that sounds like the respect for human rights and rule of law. i agree with george. there was no plan here. we are going to quickly balance the trade deficit with china. how are you going to do that? >> he says we'll be tough, threaten and raise tariffs. >> he didn't say that in the speech. we have to have meat on the bones. there will be consequences for companies opening facilities abroad. we'll need to rebuild the military. it will be, quote, funded beautifully. this is a guy who says i will erase the $19 trillion debt in the next eight years during which the government is expected to spend $38 trillion. we'll cut the federal budget in half, cut taxes by $10 trillion and beautifully rebuild our army. >> i will put you down as a
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definite maybe for trump. i have to move on here. last night was the white house correspondents dinner. the nerd prom and president obama's final appearance. there was buzz about what he would do. the show stopper was a video he put on where he asks an old friend, a surprisebout how he should deal with retirement. take a look. >> now that is a great movie. >> yeah. >> here's the beauty of this thing. you have all the time in the world to figure this out. you can just be you for a while. if you know how to do that again. >> so i can just be me? ♪ >> look here. yeah. you want one? >> i have to say, that brought down the house.
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one last puff of a cigarette. juan, you were there. how did the president do? >> he's done well in terms of the performance at the dinners. chris has been there. you would know. i thought there were two great lines. one actually was a visual thing where he said, you know, my ratings numbers keep going up. nobody can figure out -- they put up the pictures of cruz and trump. he was funny saying he would go to goldman sachs and repeat some of the jokes and make a lot of tubmans. i think the disappointing part was the comedian larry wilmore. obama dropped the mike. wilmore dropped into racial language after praising the president as the first black man, leader of the free world, he uses the n-word and talk about my n-word. it was so awkward, embarrassing to america. to black america it was degrading and suggested somehow that this president's only to be
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judged in that manner. i was so disappointed. i was hoping for larry wilmore to knock the ball out of the park. >> you were a top adviser in the bush white house. you were forced by the president to go every year to the white house correspondents' dinner. >> actually the press shop. >> why do presidents go to such trouble to kill at this event? >> because there are 3500 people in the room who buy ink by the barrel and videotape by the mile. you better perform well. we'll spend time on sunday morning talk programs talking about your performance. the president did best when he was making fun of himself and did worse when he spent way too much time taking every one of his adversaries in media and politics. >> he didn't do much on the media. he went after the other politicians. thank you, panel. see you next week. up next, personal thoughts, looking back on 20 years of fox news sunday.
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i don't have a glamorous lifestyle or anything. >> do you miss it? >> no, i'm old. >> what are you? >> 46. >> what am i? >> a dinosaur. [ laughter ] >> it's not every day mike tyson takes a shot and you live to laugh about it. that's the joy of fox news sunday sense tony snow handed me this seat 13 years ago. you get to talk with the most interesting people in the world, ask tough questions and see what happens. i have been chewed out by one president and i went to camp david to interview another. there was vladimir putin who seemed amused by the kind of questions he doesn't get asked in the kremlin. some days are different from the rest of the week. more personal. that's been part of the program, too. i had an unforgettable interview with my dad in which we put
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aside the wisecracks and said what we meant to each other. i paid tribute to my beloved winston and all you dog lovers understood how painful his passing was. there is my favorite tradition, getting the wallace grand kids together each year to wish everybody a merry christmas. the clan grew by one and i realized libbey shares a birthday, april 28, with this show. most of all these sundays are about you. you cheer our successes and let me have it when i have made a mistake. you suggest questions i should have asked and more often than not you're right. we are all so grateful you invite us into your home each sunday. so as we begin our 21st year, we end the way we always did. that's it for today. have a great week. we'll see you next fox news sunday.
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hi, everybody. good morning. happy sunday. i'm maria bartiromo. welcome to sunday morning futures. all eyes on the hoosier state where voters head to the polls in two days. how significant is this primary? newt gingrich is here to weigh in as well as legendary basketball coach bobby knight joining us coming up. plus, chaos in california as protesters hit the streets outside of a donald trump campaign event as he looks to nail down the nomination. will the race for the white house come down to the golden state? today marks five years since the death of osama bin laden. his terrorist network is alive and we.


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