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that should be fun. again, thanks for watching us tonight. i am bill o'reilly. please always remember that the spin stops here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, then there was one. if there was any doubt 24 hours ago that donald trump is the presumptive republican nominee for president, all doubt vanished about four hours ago. as the last man standing in mr. trump's way, highway hoif governor john kasich, officially bowed out of the republican race. welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. governor kasich's move clears the way for the trump campaign to focus all of its efforts on hillary clinton, the likely democratic nominee who remains locked in a battle for the nomination with bernie sanders. if the latest polls are correct, mr. trump will need all the help he can get. not only is he trailing mrs. clinton, but reports suggest he is playing catch-up
in organizing his general election campaign. in moments, we will speak about election strategy with paul manafort, one of donald trump's top political jat t strategists. but we begin tonight with our chief political correspondent carl cameron reporting tonight from washington. carl? >> thanks, megyn. trump is not only the presumptive nominee he's now uncontested. instead of focusing on the last nine contests he can get to work on winning the general election in november. the latest national poll by cnn/nrc taken before last night shows trump trailing clinton by double digits. trump knows the clinton campaign is already organizing to attack him in key swing states so trump aides have let it be known they're getting calls from veteran gop operatives around the country who say they are ready to get on the so-called trump train. trump's tapped ben carson to vet potentialitentiality projects a expected to announce his choice shortly before the july convention in cleveland. he's been arguing for more than
a year that unlike his rivals who he called bought and paid for that trump has not been influenced by special interests but now he's planning to start fund-raising for the general election which could tarnish his image a bit. trump aides acknowledge that their big data social media campaign and a few other departments are not really yet up to presidential campaign standards but now that trump's rivals are toast instead of spending the next two months prepare forge a contested convention, they can use the time getting ready for the national campaign and ready to rock against clinton. >> carl, thank you. for all the talk of a contested republican convention, at least one man accurately predicted that would not be the case. just days after ted cruz's final primary victory in early april, paul manafort said donald trump would secure this nomination prior to the convention. listen. >> this process will be be over
with probably -- over the 1237 number. at that point in time when it is apparent, everything is going to come together. >> you think trump gets to 1237? >> absolutely. >> before the convention. >> absolutely. >> in fact, mr. trump did all of that and more. joining us now, the man you just heard from paul manafort, trump campaign strategist and campaign manager. great to see you. >> great to see you. >> what did you see that the rest of america did not. >> well, donald trump was running a historic campaign when i joined the campaign. he had put the first modern campaign together in dealing with social media, dealing with earned media and speaking directly to the american people. he didn't have any of the traditional organizational elements that were keeping his campaign afoot. so in the beginning when he was winning primaries he was accomplishing his objective by really having his message resonate with the american people. as the process got closer to the middle and the end, the campaign
needed to focus more on not just winning but winning with specific delegate totals in the states. that's when he reached out and asked me to join him, and what i had when i started was a tremendous candidate, probably the best communicator since ronald reagan, as far as having a vision, having a message and being able to communicate over the media, over the noise of the campaign, and so it just needed to make sure the campaign structures were serving his needs to make sure he was not just communicating with people, not just winning but winning what i call smart or focusing on delegat delegates. the path was clear. he had overachieved by the time the primaries were halfway over and his numbers were much higher than i think most of his opponents thought they would be as far as delegates were concerned. and as the other campaigns started to fail and drop off, it was his message that was resonating. in fact, we were able to make sure it was heard in all the right places at the right times, the campaign came together and you saw him not just winning but winning with 50%, 55%, then 60%.
>> his margins started to go up. now, when you spoke to some party leaders down in hollywood, florida, they were meeting at one of their regular meetings you said, look, the part he's been playing, those are your d words, in the primary process is going to change as he goes forward and faces more of a general election contest. did you believe that sort of the bombast of the first nine, ten months wouldn't be suitable for the next challenge he faces? >> no. the question was focusing on the kind of environments that he would be giving speeches in, and part what was reported out was only focusing on the rallies that he was doing, what i was talking about was he was going to start moving into other arenas, other formats. >> but what do you think about that? in terms of tone, he's been asked about this, too, what kind of donald trump do you think we're going to be seeing, in other words? same guy we saw all along or a different thing? >> there's no reason for donald trump to change a thing.
he's justs won a historic race against 16 opponent opponents. he's now the highest vote getter in republican history as far as the primary process is concerned. he beat the field handily. >> you know why critics would say he had to consider it because he was running with republican voters before. now he has to get more than republicans to vote for him. >> but those critics also said he would never get to 30% or 40%, would never be the nominee. they don't understand the trump phenomenon. he don they don't understand his connection to the people is not being conventional but a candidate who's honest and forthright and talking about the real problems and making clear they understand he's going to bring real solutions not just washington talk. >> is it true you told him to step away from the twitter? >> i would never tell him to do that. >> you didn't say anything about the tweeting or retweeting? >> there was no reason for him to step away from the twitter. he was doing fine. again, there was nothing --
>> even he has admitted there were a couple of mistakes on the twitter. >> he can admit that. i'm not going to. >> you're a loyal soldier. >> no. i mean, he understood what was going on. there was no reason to change that. >> well, it's not a question of his honesty and his -- but some of the things. >> what needed to be changed is the structure needed to become more conventional. that's what wasn't there when i joined the campaign. that's what we brought to the campaign. >> what happens now? we cited the general election poll. you know that in 99% of the polls she's beating him right now. we're seven months out. she's beating him. "new york times" ran an article today saying donald trump is faring worse than romney among white voters in all battleground states even in states that romney won like colorado wisconsin. big disadvantage in florida, virginia, even north carolina and arizona which mitt romney won. they say he's not matching up to romney when it comes to the white vote. how do you turn that around? >> polls today aren't relevant. in 1980, reagan was down to 25
points to jimmy carter at this point in time. we've just come through a bruising republican primary. you know, there's plenty of time for donald trump to fix those issues. plus, there are polls out today that show him down two and up two. the polls are all over the place, and they're not -- >> they're not really. there's one poll a rasmussen poll that shows him up two. >> there's a battleground poll that showed him down three. they're all over the place. the important thing is polls aren't relevant today given that we're starting the process of unifying the partiment we're going to have a positive convention. we're not going to be dealing with the kinds of problems that the democrats are going to be dealing with at their convention. and donald trump will have the time to put together the general campaign structure, work with the rnc. >> any thoughts on vp nomination? >> he's just started those deliberations. he did not want to get involved in thinking about those things. >> do you believe what people say, that it has to be somebody like susanna martinez, a woman,
a latina? >> he says he wants someone with washington experience and someone to help him with the problems in foreign policy and defense policy. that's more important in my judgment. that's what he thinks which is even more important. >> i have to go. i have to ask you, he has promised a better convention than the republicans had four years ago. they don't go zainl craft very well. it's fru that obama's convention was so much better than romney's. sorry, mitt. it was. what are we going to get a new band? >> donald trump understands television. i think you'll find our convention will be gripping and you'll want to watch every minute of it. >> and i certainly will be there. paul, great to see you. >> thank you. >> thanks so much. >> you'll want to watch every minute of you. you can do that here on fox. what is the frump campaign going to do about some of the angry republicans now literally quitting the republican party? herman cain is here next with some answers on that. plus, hillary clinton today talked about what she's planning if trump goes after her husband. dana perino is here with some
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republican. i'm a journalist, and i have conservative viewpoints. and the republican party is not an end in and of itself to me. it's a means to an end. and that's to advance conservative principles that i agree with. nd i'and i've outlined for mont and months how i did not think that donald trump did that, in fact, quite the opposite. the republican party has chosen to embrace donald trump. that's their prerogative. but this is where i get off the boat. >> the person who heads up the pac that's opposing trump, katy packer, came out and said, there's a sense by some, like katie, that if this is who my party is, i don't really identify with it anymore. that's where you're coming from? >> absolutely. i just don't think that trump meets the basic fitness level to be president. i don't appreciate his rhetoric. i think that he's exploited and
inflamed bigotry and that's not the type of conservative message i abide by, which is about limited government, returning power to the states, and focusing on the constitution. >> now, you know, phil, that everybody -- not everybody but those who are supporting trump will say, get on board, phil. do you really want hillary clinton? you know, you should be never hillary instead of never trump. >> look, i am also never hillary. to be clear, i'd never cast a vote for hilary clilary clinton. but the republican party is not my family, okay? it only has value to me in the sense that traditionally it's been more likely than the democratic party to advance ideaç that i believe in. that's clearly no longer the case. i mean, just today donald trump talked about raising the minimum wage. so clearly he's supported socialized medicine and all the things that we've documented for months and months. and the republican party has
decided that none of those things are disqualifying nor any of his various long litany of statements, none of that is disqualifying for them. it is disqualifying for me. >> ben, something happened last night on twitter and online where different republicans, like mark souther, who was a strategist of john mccain's, he came out and said, i'm with her. and there was a hash tag going around among republicans i'm with her, ben howe contributing editor red state, i'm with her, good-bye gop. these are people saying they will vote for hillary, especially given her stance on national security issues, that's how steve schmidt put it. on issues of national security there are many republicans who will endorse hillary clinton. do you believe that? >> i think that there's certainly a number of republicans who are going to shift over and support hillary clint clinton, but i don't really think that that number is going to be all that significant in the big scheme of things. i understand there's been a disturbance in the force. you've heard a lot of voices cry out on twitter and elsewhere
about what's gone on in the republican party and people i respect like phil who can't support trump for ideological reasons are going to be a portion of the electorate. but what you're seeing on the cnn poll you referenced earlier in the program, you're already seeing 84% to 83% of republicans and republican leaners saying they're going to support trump. you're already seeing a kind of unification around him among most of the party members. i think you're going to continue to see that. there was a lot of animosity against mitt romney, he ended up winning 93% of the republicans. the problem for donald trump, even if he won 100% of the republicans in that poll, he would still lose to hillary clinton. he needs to expand his base in states like pennsylvania and ohio and michigan, especially among the women who have been turned off by a lot of his comments over the past several months. he needs to make up the distance with them more than he does with the xoefrn actives who have ideological objections to his candidacy. >> what do you make of what paul manafort was saying, ben? anybody who is telling you that
trump can't win with some of these democrats and independents, those are the same people who were saying he couldn't win the nomination and ndiave been proven wrong? >> i was saying he could win the nomination in august of last year, and i think that some of those credit beings still had points when it came to the sort of pointless arguments he made at certain points in the course of this election that drove up those negatives. i do think that he can make up a lot of that over the course of the coming months but he needs to start now and i think it needs to be in a very sustained way to make up some of the negatives we've seen marley among minority groups who should be open to some of his economic messages and among women who have been turned off by a lot of his rhetoric over the last couple of weeks. it's possible, but it is something he has to sort of shoot the moon on. >> iech got to get to herman cain. but phil, do you see yourse&f ever wavering on this, once wounds heal, crossing over to support trump? >> never means never. >> great to see you both. >> good to be with you. >> thanks. joining us now, herman cain, former gop presidential
candidate, author of "the right problems." herman, great to see you. what do you make of what phil klein said and mark souther and some of these other guys said, i'm with her? >> well, all of the people that are never trump, the republican tent got big other, but they don't want it to get about bigger. they want to stay in a narrow definition of the republican party, a narrow definition of what conservatism is all about. secondly, if they were to take the time and step back and look at donald trump's top priorities, not all of the political noise, they will find that they are more aligned with the big issues relative to donald trump than all of this political noise. so i think that this is kind of like a wound. it takes time to heal. and the deeper the wound, the longer it takes. now, some people like theo, it may never heal. that's why he's saying never trump. that's his prerogative to do so.
but i happen to believe as some of the others have said that i see a movement of more people saying, okay, let's get real. i'd rather have trump and never hillary than to have hillary and never trump. >> just to correct what i said, phil is not "i'm with her." that's mark souther along with a couple of other folks. >> right. >> but what do you make of the fact that -- you know, paul manafort is a good soldier to donald trump, but there is one questionable rasmussen poll to shows trump beating hillary by two points in a general and one battleground state poll that puts him behind hillary by just three. but all the national polls, all of them, put her beating him and most of those show her beating him by double digits, up to 15 points. so you have to admit he's got some work to do. what is the work? what is it? >> he has some work to do,
megyn. and i indicated this in a commentary nine months ago. it's 50% perception, and that perception is shaped by the sound bites that people hear and see continuously over long periods of time. what donald trump and his campaign has to do is to try and reshape that perception. secondly, i don't believe all of these polls because too many of them can be manipulated or they'll use a very small sample size and say, wow, look at this result. >> think all of them are wrong? >> no, not all of them are wrong. >> that's a different argument than saying, okay, they're right, but he has seven months to turn it around. you're saying all these polls are just wrong right now? >> no, no, no, i didn't say all of them are wrong, megyn. i said some of them can be manipulated and some of them have been manipulated. what i'm saying is, between now and the convention, now that the field is clear, i believe donald trump can help reshape that perception. perception is driven a lot by the messages that are coming
through the media. that's just the way it is. he's been a master of that leading up to this point, and i believe he's going to understand what he needs to do to help reshape that. so i'm not excited about what the polls say today. i will be be concerned about what the polls say three months from now. >> he's pointed out many times he has not yet started on her. >> yes. >> and he has proven if there's one thing, he's a master at controlling the message through the media. herman, always great to see you. >> thanks, megyn. well, also tonight, jason riley, a member of the editorial board at the "wall street journal," also a fellow at the manhattan institute and the author of two respected books, why does virginia tech reportedly think he's too dangerous to speak at their school? cupcake alert! we'll ask jason coming up. plus, fox news today talked with the hacker who claims to have broken into hillary clinton's e-mail. this is unbelievable what catherine herridge did. up next, see what he says he found when he went there.
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>> announcer: from the world headquarters of fox news, it's "the kelly file" with megyn kelly. breaking tonight, presumptive democratic nominee -- can we say that yet? sanders is still in -- hillary clinton is now talking general election. in moments dane ma perino is here with the eye-opening interview she gave today. first the details on an exclusive and unbelievable interview from jail with a criminal who's been extradited to the united states who claims he hacked the former secretary of state's server, catherine herridge has details. watch this. catherine? >> megyn, fox news first wrote to the hacker on april 19th as part of our ongoing reporting of the clinton e-mail investigation after we met with him in a virginia jail. we followed up in a series of phone calls where he allowed us to record the conversation for
broadcast. 44-year-old marcel na czar claimed it happened in early 2013. you accessed a lot of accounts, marcel. >> yes. >> is the clinton server easy or hard? >> it was easy. easy for me. for everybody. >> he was extradited to the u.s. from romania last month to face trial in alexandria, virginia, for cyber crimes. one of his alleged victims is sydney bloomen hall. after researching his target, he told fox he accessed the account by guessing blumenthal's question. and for the first time publicly exposed the clinton e-mail address. >> how many times did you access the clinton server, marcel? >> i say twice. it was not like -- it was e-mail ser server typical stuff.
>> while lazar's claims cannot be independently -- may have an electronic trail that would confirm or disprove his claims. >> unfortunately in this community a lot of people make up stories and it's hard to know what's really true until you get into the forensics information and get hard facts. >> this week, mrs. clinton was asked about security. >> any indication that your private server was hacked by foreign hackers? >> no, not at all. >> the clinton campaign issued a statement calling the hacker a criminal. his claims baseless, that no government agency has notified them the server was hacked. for context, a plea agreement wherein lazar cooperates with the fbi would be advantageous in his position, megyn. mrs. clinton also gave a sit-down today on the general election today just as the trump camp was saying clinton has, quote, never been truly vetted. she sounded fired up taking on the political newcomer. watch here.
>> he's made references to your marriage, to your husband. are you -- >> well,'s not the first one, anderson. i just can't say this often enough. if he wants to go back to the playbook of the 1990s, if he wants to follow in the footsteps of those who have tried to knock me down and take me out of the political arena, i'm more than happy to have him do that. >> for his part, donald trump is now saying clinton is choose which road, high or low, this campaign will travel down. watch. >> if she wants to go the low road, i'm fine with that. if she wants to go the high road, which probably i would prefer, i would be fine with that. i can handle the low road if i have to do it. >> joining me, co-host of "the five" and best selling author "and the good news is," dana purina, she served as white house press secretary under george w. bush. good to see you. >> thank you. >> quite a flurry of information there. let's start with the last part and work our way back. >> okay. >> she's laughing it off. we'll go back to the '90s and
bill clinton. you know trump is going there. >> she wants to go there as well because there's a lot of nostalgia by democrats for bill clinton. she's proven on the campaign trail, even admitted it herself, that she's not the politician her husband is. so there's not as much of appeal. plus -- >> but that's not where trump will take him. he might take a little bit because he'll attack clinton on nafta. he's going to take them back to lewinsky and paula jones, he's made clear. democrats do not have nostalgia for that. >> they don't. but i think a lot of them think it's old news. if there's one thing we've learned over the past 30 years is when republicans overplay their hand with the clintons and they become the victims, then the media will always help defend them and actually it ends up working in their favor. >> but don't you think if trump raises that stuff it would be as he puts it a counterpunch. >> absolutely. >> she'll call him a sexist. then he'll say, your husband is the biggest sexist of them all
and you supported him. >> there are plenty of tools in the tool kit to be able to dismantle her arguments. he can do it -- it won't take much. it's a light touch. they are vulnerable on some of those things. >> what advice would you give to trump now? in handling her and winning more people over to his side. >> i think there's two very important things. you had a segment on earlier today of tonight about republicans and the decision making. herman cain saying it might take some people a little bit longer. i think that one thing donald trump should signal and also think about for himself is that if you have a down ballot politician republican, meaning somebody running for a house seat, a senate seat or even something smaller, if they decide that they need to distance from donald trump in
people who know their districts, let's say they have a high hispanic level in their district but they're republican with a good chance of winning that the themselves from donald trump in order to win the seat. he should want them to do that because it would be better for him to have more republicans there. all presidents are going to have some people distance themselves. obama did in his second midterm. bush did in his second midterm u. have to let them do that. >> what do you make of the catherine herridge report? that guy is in prison. god knows whether what he is saying is true. but it was a fascinating interview. and the e-mail issue and server issue is going to be exploited by donald trump. >> and it should be. this is another thing i would say that donald trump should do. very well about the benghazi and e-mails. donald trump needs to know her record better than she does because she gets confused. her campaign statements are
always like a day late and a dollar short and they're confusing based on others they've put out in the past. you can hardly keep up with it. it is easy to poke holes in her argument if you know her record better than she does. in this case with -- whether he's telling the truth from prison or not, i do believe he's a good hacker. when he says it's not that hard, i'm not even that good, anybody could have done this -- >> i can do that in my sleep. >> if you can guess sydney blumenthal's question, i need to change mine. >> they've got the accent from the prison cell and catherine gets the story. it was a great interview. we'll see whether it was true. dana, great to see you. >> thank you. up next, "wall street journal" writer jason riley joins us on why one college reportedly decided he was too dangerous to speak on their campus. how could they possibly take him? look, jason. he'll tell us his story.
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developing tonight, another stunning story from what used to be a sanctuary for free thought. the american college campus. this time it involves virginia tech, reportedly rescinding a speaking invitation to jason riley, a "wall street journal" columnist. first came the e-mail invitation to give a lecture on campus. then a follow-up e-mail saying the department hid decided not to formalize the invitation because he's, quote, afraid there could be protests over jason's appearance.
jason riley is not only a "wall street journal" contributor but a senior fellow at the manhattan institute. he is here now with no protest whatsoever. why? why would people be protesting jason riley's appearance? >> well, i think the idea is to limit the access of students to conservative thinkers in general and black conservatives in particular. >> you think they don't like your book? >> could be. i wouldn't be surprised. >> please stop helping us, how liberals make it harder for blacks to succeed. >> that could be it. liberals still think there's a certain way that black people are supposed to think about issues in this country, and nowhere is that notion more vigorously enforced than on our college campuses today. so i think, yes, that was very much a part of it. you know, megyn, if i went out and gave speeches about how the black lives matter movement is doing great things for this country or how every problem in black america can be blamed on white racism, i think virginia
tech would have welcomed me with open arms. >> do you think if the name of your book were "please help us: how conservatives make it harder for blacks to succeed" they would have had you right on. >> exactly. instead they're not only claiming i was never invited except for sending an e-mail saying, my purpose of writing is for you to give a lecture, despite that, they're going around claiming that i'm making up stories about being invited to speak on college campuses. >> right. why would you do that? in all your spare time. who else can i pick on in. >> it's outrageous. we're laughing because it's either laugh or cry. but this is a serious, serious problem. >> yes. >> colleges used to be a place where we encouraged dissent and free thinking and the free exchange of ideas, conservative, liberal, what have you. we had a woman, a student at har vard, who said in one of her classes a student refused to sit by another student because she
knew that he was pro-life. and the professor not only allowed it, encouraged it and didn't say, get it together, sister. we have to be around people who don't think as we do. >> right. it's a very unhealthy environment on campus. you're taught that your ideological foes are not only wrong but evil. you're not taught to engage. you're taught to silence them. and you're taught that by the faculty who pull stunts like they did -- >> who grade you. >> and who grade you. it's happening not just to people like this. far more consequential and important people. george will, condoleezza rice. you can go down the list. >> ben shapiro just got shouted down at a -- >> former new york city police commissioner ray kelly was shouted down at brown university. it's happening all over the placeñ and it's outrageous it's led to a very i think hostile anti-intellectual environment where kids are not taught to engage each other or consider
different perspectives. >> what happens when you graduate and there's nobody to save you from the evil conservatives. >> and they're the ones that led the free speech movement 50 years ago on campus. this is the environment they've created. it hoes you the fine line between progressive thought and totalitarian thinking. >> virginia tech, you're better than this. you're better than this. hope you reverse your decision. and welcome our friend jason riley who is a fascinating man to listen to. >> thank you. >> we'll stay it on it. thanks for being here. sick of these stories. still ahead tonight, imagine waking up from a coma and learning that your family just went to your funeral. we'll speak with a woman at the center of a heartbreaking case of mistaken identity right after this break. >> everything that i had known about myself before the accident about myself before the accident what's going on here? i'm val, the orange money retirement squirrel from voya. we're putting away acorns. you know, to show the importance of saving for the future. so you're sort of like a spokes person?
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that gripped the country some ten years ago. responders at the scene of a horrific accident mistakenly confused the identities of two young women with similar physical attributes, one survived, the other did not. in just a moment, we will speak to the survivor of that crash, whitney cerak wheeler, who was presumed dead. but first trace gallagher in our west coast newsroom will bring us up to speed on her story. trace? >> megan, by all accounts, the scene of the crash on interstate 69 in northern indiana was chaos, bodies, backpacks and wallets scattered across the road and in the tall muddy grass. five dead, two gravely injured. 18-year-old whitney cerak was placed in a helicopter with laura van ryn's identification. at the hospital, with her face swollen and distorted by tubes, whitney cerak was misidentified by laura van ryn's parents as their daughter. but the family of whitney cerak was so distraught they never
identified the body of van ryn and there was no autopsy. so while the cerak family buried who they thought was their daughter, the van ryn family sat bedside for weeks caring for who they thought was their daughter. braiding her hair, painting her toenails, trying to talk her out talk her out of a coma.k her out the matter was clearly complicated by the fact both women have striking similarities. blond hair. same height. similar features. so much so that laura van ryn's boyfriend of three years later commented how familiar her hands, feet and complexion were. noting only that her eyes looked blue instead of, quote, that awesome greenish tint. then laura van ryn's college roommate noticed the girl in the bed had freckles. laura candidate. the girl in the bed kept telling the staff her name was whitney, not laura. finally when the van ryn family began having their doubts, dental records were tested. the confusion cleared up. the van ryns issued a statement saying they mourned the loss of
their daughter but rejoiced that the ceraks will have more time with theirs. megyn? >> trace, thank you. whitney cerak wheeler joins me now. whitney, thank you so much for being here. there was a moment when you were coming to, you were in a coma for five weeks and they asked withdrew to write your name, right? they asked you to write your name down. and you wrote whitney. who was there when you did that? >> i honestly, i don't know. i couldn't tell you that. i was -- i was slowly coming out of a coma, so my memory wasn't totally with me yet. >> is it true -- is it your understanding it's true that's the moment the van ryns understood for the first time you were not their daughter? >> yeah. >> do -- their devastation, we can all understand, but tell us about the moment as it's been told to you that your parents
found out you had not died. >> i think that everyone was confused because i don't think a story like this has happened before. so no one really thought it was real, but they went down just to make sure that everything was, i mean, as it seemed, so they went down and they checked and they were reunited with me. >> what is it see your own tombstone with the date of death on it? >> yeah. it just -- the whole thing seems surreal to me. just like it -- it seems like a lifetime movie that wasn't really my life. >> and did you -- you know, what kind of relationship have you had with the van ryns since then? >> yeah. i spl i absolutely love the van ryn
family. they're a beautiful picture of what, like, jesus would act like if he were here now because they loved me when they thought that i was their daughter and then they continued to do so. they continue to love me as family even when they knew that i wasn't laura. and how they -- it's just fun to always kid around and hang out with them. whenever we do that, it feels very natural and it's just fun. it's like two families being together. and so we always have a great fine with the van ryn family. >> you were friends with laura and the oathers who were killed in that car crash. do you have survivor guilt? >> i definitely did, and i feel like that -- just being the only college student to survive and i know all of them led such great lives and did such great things for jesus and i was only 18 when
it all happened and i just -- i don't know. it hit home and especially, like, seeing the families. i just felt like a huge guilt. eyes are always on me, like was i doing a good job, was, like, was it the right choice that i was left behind? i feel like i had that a lot. but i just know that, like, freedom comes from the lord and i, like, have given it all to jesus and i feel like i finally, like, i don't deal with that survivor guilt anymore. >> good. good. do you feel a greater purpose now in life? or that there was a reason you were spared? >> i do think just, like, having that passion, like living with passion and that's one thing that i've seen since the accident. like, i've seen a huge difference in who i am, who i was ten years ago. and just living out, like,
living out faith. that's one thing i've actually become really passionate about is not just going to church and sitting in the walls, but going outside and loving church and, like, being who we're called to be through the bible, like, this is what jesus said so we go out and we do it. we don't just learn about it in church. we go out and talk about it to others. so it's been -- it's been something i've been really passionate about, and i just feel like the lord is, like, okay, you're going to do this, i'm gong ing to push you a litt further and you're going to learn something more about me. so my relationship with jesus has gone so much deeper because of this whole thing. >> and you're now married with children of your own. the law has changed to make the identification of victims much more clear and controlled and we are very glad that you are with us tonight. whitney, all the best to you and your family and the van rnys. >> thanks, megyn. >> as well. >>
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