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tomorrow, apple stock going down. are americans angry with the company? i'm bill o'reilly. please always remember the spin stops right here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, just 48 hours after donald trump effectively secures the republican nomination, he is back on the campaign trail. this time in west virginia, trying to convince democrats to abandon hillary clinton and laying the groundwork to defeat her this fall. oh, a good old john denver. welcome to "the kelly file." i'm megyn kelly. you may recall mrs. clinton was dealt a significant setback in west virginia when she was confronted by an out of work coal miner on comments she made about putting coal miners out of business. mrs. clinton said she misspoke. but beau was not buying it. earlier tonight he received a hero's welcome ats a trump
rally. you can't see him in this video we're going to show you. but watch what happened when a trump campaign staffer told the crowd he was there. >> i don't know if any of you were watching television when we had this lady go to southern west virginia to tell us, i think her quote before was, i'm going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of work. but there was a courageous guy there that sat at that table in williamson, i believe, and asked her a question. his name is beau copley. is beau here? could you stand up and be recognized? >> well, now we are seeing reports that suggest appalachia
is swinging from clinton country to trump, as the businessman continues to connect with the working class. in moments we'll talk about -- that was michael moore, a bernie sanders supporter who says democrats have reason to be concerned about mr. trump's chances. but we begin tonight with trace gallagher reporting from our west coast newsroom. trace? >> megyn, donald trump is trying to convince west virginia voters that he's dead serious about supporting coal and bringing back jobs. and as the political pendulum swings, he is gaining a captive audience. consider that in 1992 bill clinton dominated coal country, so much so that in many counties along the appalachian mountains clinton won 70% of the vote. but there is clearly a democratic decay, erosion that was helped along by the obama administration declaring war on coal. with the president vowing to bankrupt new coal plants. and then hillary clinton appearing to double down saying, quote, we are going to put a lot of coal miners and coal
companies out of business. clinton called her comment a misstatement, but trump won't soon let her forget. watch. >> see, i'm going to put the miners back to work. she said, i'm going to put the miners and the mines out of business. and then she comes over and tried to explain her statement. that's a tough one to explain. >> and it's not just coal. trump is also vowing to rebuild industries like steel and manufacturing in an effort to put the rust belt back in play for republicans. and a new poll by the pew research center showed 49% of voters believes that u.s. involvement in the global economy lowers wages and cost jobs. 44% think global engagement is a good thing. it's interesting because in the primaries republicans who want less global trade largely supported donald trump. democrats who want less global trade largely supported bernie sanders, an indication that hillary clinton has some catching up to do there as well.
megyn? >> trace, thank you. my next guest has warned democrats they better take mr. trump seriously because of his appeal to working class voters like these miners. michael moore is an oscar winning filmmaker and director of "where to invade next," which is out tuesday on demand on dvd and itunes. michael, great to see you again. >> and poster boy at fox news. >> right. you're practically the co-host. good to see you. >> thanks for having me back. >> what do you mean by that, the democrats don't take trump seriously at their own peril? >> i've taken him seriously. i mean, i felt last fall that he would be the republican nominee. i think that a lot of people just treated it as a joke. yes, it's funny and i laugh at all the jokes. but i would not -- i would -- he says things. he goes to places where i'm from like michigan, pennsylvania, ohio, et cetera, and tells them that apple should be building those iphones in the u.s., not china. that sounds very good. >> goes to syracuse the first nine years i grew up and said
carrier shouldn't be moving out of syracuse. >> he says he'll put tariffs on cars that they move out of the u.s. >> very appealing. >> yes. i also don't think it's true. i think donald trump is a big believer in capitalism and free enterprise and the sort of thing that's driven us into the ground, this belief that you can just do whatever you want and it doesn't matter who gets hurt by it. i don't really see him changing, but i think he knows -- he's been on tv, you know? he's a performance artist. he knows what to say and he knows how to make this appeal. >> you think it's b.s.? >> i think it's -- please, don't use that kind of language. but yes, i -- megyn, this is the flagship show of fox news. >> oh, thank you. >> i want to go on the record. >> like the way you make me sound. go on. >> well, it is. listen, you and i sitting here,
we've lowered the age demographic by at least 36 years. >> what do you mean? are you ripping on my 100-year-old nan na watch "the kelly file". >> no. but i think fox is going to commercial sooner than i expected. the floor is yours. >> they've got to sell something. listen, i think that everybody -- i think everybody now is taking donald trump very seriously. >> yes. >> and everybody who thought he was a joke last summer -- >> has been proven wrong. >> right. so nobody should treat it like it's a joke now. >> as a bernie sanders supporter, do you believe he's all but out? >> no. i don't believe it's over. >> you still think he can take the nomination. >> i think he's won 18 states. he's ahead in 6 of the last 9 primary. >> but mathematically he's been ruled out. >> that will be -- no, he has not been ruled out mathematically. plus, i think there's -- there's two big el he fants in the room with both trump and clinton.
we don't know what's going to happen between now and the convention because there are these issues. i think it was reported on the news earlier this evening that her personal assistant has now been interrogated by the fbi. they've given immunity -- >> you're counting on the fbi to -- >> no. i'm with sanders erers when he enough with the damn e-mails. don't care about that at all. i'm just saying trump is being investigated by the irs. he's got other things going on. hillary has things going on. we don't really know -- in this year of all years, how can we predict what's going to happen in the next few months? of y . >> you can predict because -- >> nobody could predict trump and nobody would predict that a socialist would win 45 de% of t delegates ex-'s ahead of six of the next primaries. >> you and i know the superdelegates will not let bernie sanders get this nomination. >> i don't know anything anymore. >> i'm not a pundit.
that's what they tell me. here's my question to you. let's say it is trump/clinton. as a sanders supporter but a guy who understands the working class, has made some films involving them, from flint, michigan, could you ever get behind donald trump? >> only to help push him somewhere. i can't say it. he has secret service protection. i shouldn't say that. >> you'll be the one getting pushed. >> i would push him into a more gentle place away from everybody. >> so never trump? >> absolutely. are you kidding me? >> there are some sanders supporters, a small number, who would consider donald trump. >> this man eats pizza with a fork. >> i thought that was john kasich. >> no, no. that was -- well, that was trump in a previous election. >> i don't think trump eats pizza with a fork. he's a lifetime normer, he's from queens. that's impossible. >> that's the problem be with trump. i've lived for 25 years between michigan and new york. i'm one of those people who summer here and winter in
michigan. don't explain it. >> you mean that one person. >> that's right. you and i know because we've known trump for how many years. i've been on shows with trump back in the '90s. this is a man who supported planned parenthood, who was for gay rights. yes, he was a big blow hard and he wanted his name and everything but he also put the ice skating rink back in central park. >> that's right. >> so he's not what he's made himself out to be to these people who vote for him. >> so couldn't a guy like you get behind him? >> no. his problem is going to be when he tries to walk back all the crazy stuff he said, what's going to happen to all the people who voted for that crazy stuff? >> you think you'll abandon trump? >> i think -- i should say i hope that we see the biggest landslide loss ever when whoever the democratic nominee is beats donald trump. >> you know they're banking on he may lose some women, some hispanics, some young people and
african-american, he will make it up with the white working class, the very region he's touring through, appalachia and elsewhere, because he's appealing to them and clinton has made some mistakes. >> here's the math problem. 19%, that's all, 19% of the country are white guys over the age of 35. that's it. we only make up 19% of the country. and a number of those 19% are me. so he's got a big problem. 81% of the country is either female, people of color or young adults between the ages of 18 and 35. he has offended each of these groups to such a significant degree that he can't win a majority of those groups, 81% of the country. so the math isn't with him. but having said that, what he has on his side is that republicans -- this is one thing i admire about republicans -- get up in the morning and vote. they will be at their polls at 6:00 a.m. my side, we only see 6:00 a.m. if we've been partying all night, you know? >> does that happen?
>> does what happen? >> the partying all night on the far left side. >> i have photos if you'd like to see. >> no. no one needs to see that. >> that's right. we are on a family network. but seriously, i think that the problem here is that my side, such as you want to describe it -- it's a crazy, wild, lots of different kind of people on this side of the political fence -- are the majority of the country now. they know that. the other side knows they've lost the culture war. gays can get married. people in most states can use the bathroom that they think they should be in. >> trump is not the warrior to reverse any of that. nor does he pretend to be. >> that's why he'll try to get people in the mushy middle to be with him. he's going to walk back some of his craziness. >> what worries you if anything about hillary? other than the fbi primary, what worries you? >> my fear is that if she was president we'd find ourselves in another war. she voted for the iraq war. her whole -- >> you think she's more of a
hawk than trump? >> i was going to say more than obama. more than obama. >> what did you think when you heard trump saying bush lied to get us into the iraq war and knew about 9/11? that sounded like you. >> well, no. i don't -- i didn't say that. i was against the iraq war. i turned out to be right. i was in a minority at the time. and i was lambasted significantly on a particular network. >> do you believe that bush lied to get us into the iraq war? >> no. i believe that he was asleep at the wheel. i believe -- >> you don't believe there was conscience malfeasance. >> he was incompetent. he received on august 6th a month before 9/11 -- >> i know. i know. >> he received a report that said osama bin laden to attack the united states. >> i'm talking about malfeasance. >> yes, do you want me to explain the difference to you? i have a dictionary in my back pocket, too. >> trump at a debate actually accused -- >> you went to college. i didn't.
>> -- george w. bush of willingly lying to get us into the iraq war. and if you're not willing to go that far, it's interesting because you and trump are further down the scale. he's farther down the scale on the left on that issue than you are. >> i would never call him on the left. what i think is that bush's administration lied about the weapons of mass destruction. i think they knew those weapons were not there. and for that particular thing they did lie about that. >> then he's not he's tied with you on the scale. >> he's not anywhere near me. i'll tell you, he's -- if everybody gets up at 6:00 a.m. on election day in november, he's not going to make it. believe me. biggest landslide loss ever donald trump. >> this is the dvd "where to invade next". >> i know that movie. i made that movie. >> trump says you don't have to worry about this with him because he's the guy who doesn't want to start all these wars. i have to leave it at that. always a pleasure, mr. moore. >> thank you for having me on, megyn. whatever you decide to do, you're like the lebron james here at fox news. you're a free agent, year to year. i've read the gossip columns.
you may be going to maybe abc, whatev whatever. >> oh, wow, you know more than i do. >> i know many things, one trump will lose and you won't be here for long. >> oh, wow, what have you heard? >> get a good agent, a good lawyer and you'll be fine. >> after you go, my guys will explain to me the lebron james reference because they know i know nothing about sports. i know he's a good basketball player. that's it. >> roger, i'm just kidding! she's staying! >> good-bye, it's over between us. until the next time. >> until the next time. thank you very much. >> thanks for being here. just hours before this west virginia rally we've been looking at, house speaker paul ryan dropped a bit of a bombshell on the trump campaign. and the number two man at the rnc is next on that. plus, donald trump tweets about his love for a good taco salad and the clinton team unloads with some spicy hot attacks. we've got folks from both camps here tonight as the fajitas get ready to fly. then a new case of free speech silenced on campus as
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at their convention and donald trump will have the time to put together the general campaign structure, work with the rnc. >> that was trump campaign convention manager paul manafort on "the kelly file" last night suggesting the presumptive republican nominee has plenty of time to work with the rnc before the convention. but today the "new york times" painted a different picture reporting that some staff members at the rnc were told that if they the aren't able to get behind the current nominee they should leave by the end of the week. and that was before we heard this from house speaker paul ryan just a few hours ago. >> you have said throughout this process that you will support the republican presidential nominee. now you have a presumptive nominee, donald trump. will you support him? >> well, to be perfectly candid with you, jake, i'm just not ready to do that at this point. i'm not there right now. there are lots of questions that conservatives i think are going to want answers to, myself included. i want to be part of this
unifying process. >> joining me now, sean spicer, communications director and chief strategist for the rnc. sean, good to see you. >> good evening. >> let's start with the "new york times" report. you sent out a message saying it wasn't true. but are you suggesting that the "new york times" got it flat wrong, that no one -- >> no, no, i'm not suggesting it. i'm going to say it. it was 100% false. it was made up. there was no such meeting that talked about a nominee or mr. trump or anyone. it was patently false. we've asked for a correction, frankly demanded a correction. this is the "new york times" making up news. i guess it is provocative and it probably got them some clicks but it's downright bad journalism when you make up news. >> let's talk about paul ryan. >> sure. >> because the party wants unity and there you have one of if not the most powerful republican in the country refusing to give it. >> well, he talked about -- if you listen to what speaker ryan said throughout the interview, his goal is to get there. i think he also talks about the fact that he, like myself and most folks that have been paying
close attention to this process, believe we definitely go to june 7th. ted cruz made it clear he wanted to stay in. there was no way donald trump and he still can't get the requisite 1237 delegates to officially become the presumptive nominee of our party. there was an suassumption we wod have more time. we're fortunate to unify quicker and focus on the general election. i think speaker ryan and mr. trump are going to sit down and talk about what they need to hear. >> wait, did you say trump can't get to 1237? >> i said -- >> nobody else is in the race. he's the presumptive nominee, right? >> no, no. he will be the presumptive nominee on june 7th. that's exactly what we said the other night. >> come on. that doesn't prevent paul ryan from saying he'll support him. >> no, no, no. megyn, hold on. i didn't say that. i said no one expected us to have a presumptive nominee until
june 7th. >> i get that. but then paul ryan agreed to go on cnn and jake tapper and knew he'd be asked about trump. you mean he was caught off guard? no one believe that's, sean. he said that for a reason. >> maybe he did. all i can tell you is from what i understand the two individuals are going to meet next week, talk about the concerns they have, the issues that need to be raised. >> what are the issues? between them? >> i don't know. i don't speak for paul ryan. >> you speak for the rnc. >> great! but we're not part -- i don't have a problem. you're not hearing me have a problem with paul ryan's agenda or mr. trump's issues right now. it's between the two of them. they're going to sit down and iron them out. we've had a bloody primary where people have gone at it. i think there's a call for unity. mr. trump acknowledged that the other night. the chairman acknowledged that that the party needs to unify. we had 17 great candidates that went at it pretty well. you were part of the process. you saw these guys going at it. now we have the opportunity to sit back as a party, come
together and understand the big picture which is defeating hillary clinton in november. more people participated in this process than ever before. that ace great thing for the party. but tensions were high and passions were there. some people really had it for -- had a passion for one or two particular candidates at different times. now we need to come together. >> paul ryan has two choices right now, trump and hillary clinton. he chose undecided today. >> no. what paul ryan said is i want to get there, i want to talk to him about the issues. he's going to do that, and i feel very confident he wants to do it, he understands the importance of party unity. mr. trump said the same tuesday night. look, we're 48 hours out of indiana where this came kind of as a shock. >> i get that. >> we're going to come together. >> but the reality is what it is, right? >> right. >> we know who the players are. >> look at the reality. we're here. the democrats are still fighting it out. we will be unified coming out of cleveland and going into november.
i promise it will be a great convention and democrats will have the problems in philadelphia. >> great to see you, sean. thanks. joining me with more, fox news digital editor chris stirewalt. what did you think of that? >> popcorn. this show is a freight train today. i'm just sitting here taking it in. >> west virginia, your hometown. >> those are my people. i'm not messing with you, counselor. >> i'm feeling frisky. is frisky the word? spicy. >> something. whatever. >> seriously, paul ryan has two choices, and he didn't exactly say never trump. >> no. >> but in what world does the house speaker who is a republican not say, yes, i'm going to get behind the nominee? it just underscores the weirdness of the trump candidacy, the trump victory, and the position the party is in right now. >> and the fact that donald trump is not running as a traditional republican. right? he is runs as you heard his
speech on tuesday night, what was he talking about? he was talking about issues, some of which is on hillary's left. you and michael moore were talking about it. he is less hawkish than her, to the left on hillary clinton on foreign policy and intervention ux. he talked about his desires to spend more on domestic projects in the united states, infrastructure spending, more dovish -- less interventionist foreign policy. and then against free trade, those are things that paul -- those are core beliefs that people like paul ryan have. so they have nine weeks to the convention. >> not just that, stirewalt. but look at the republican party platform. these things they agree on and thane that's the standard bearer. it's pro-life without exceptions, no rape, no incest exception. he favors those. it certainly doesn't praise planned parenthood. i'm not saying this to be critical or not of donald trump. i'm saying there's a clear divide between the party who is going to organize this convention along with mr. trump
and their nominee. you could hear some of that with paul ryan saying, hmm, well, i'll call you. >> call me maybe. they're trying to bring trump to heel. remember, they have the money. he needs the dough. >> he said today he's going to need the dough. he won't self-fund. >> needs it bad. in order to get that money, he has to get the republicans -- now, he has a democratic fund raiser he's bringing in as his finance guy. but he's going to need raise money from a lot of traditional republican sources, and basically paul ryan is saying this is the cost. if you want the dough that you need to contest the general election, you have to come to the right on some of these issues, not run as a democrat. but that's how he loses. if he runs a's a traditional republican, he will get ruined. >> i think we've seen that the party has been unable to outsmart trump. i mean, have we not learned that lesson over the past year? >> they're in the boat. he's the shark. they think they're hunting him.
he's hunting them. >> thank you, mr. stirewalt. >> yes, ma'am. >> he always brings it home, doesn't he? just the right way of putting things. >>. >> we also have new fallout from a trump tweet about cinco de mayo and how it is drawing serious fire now from the clinton campaign. and wait until you see what was under that bowl. we have folks representing both cams with us next. plus, an interview you will not want to miss. watch this, the crew, we were all mesmerized by this. the father of scientology leader david miscavige is here with new insights on the church, how he escaped, and why he calls his own son ruthless. >> did you ever go to david and say, what are you doing? >> believe me when i tell you that would have been such an improper question i would have never said it. >> why?
cinco die mayo, the best taco bowls are made in trump tower grill. i love pass panics. ms. clinton then suggests that mr. trump wants to deport all pass panics not just the ones here illegally and some are saying they're offended. joining me ka treent na pierson and robert simmer man dnc committee member. congrats on your victory. >> thank you. >> okay, so democratic senator from connecticut tweets out, this is a joke, right? this whole thing is a joet. people taking offense at the taco bowl/hispanic link. >> people take offense to everything mr. trump does. it's cinco de mayo. he's touting the food at his grill and i can probably give you a hundred different instances where mr. trump says i love hispanics. he says "i love everyone" all the time. >> come on, katrina.
it's like the -- claiming he loves jews. come on. >> is it. >> let's be serious. mr. trump has been advocating an agenda, repeating the worst, most horrible bigoted stereotypes of mexicans, advocating deportation and a religious law to keep people out of the country. even the leading conservatives are condemning the trump agenda. >> robert, her tweet today which says, i love hispanics, trump 52 minutes ago, they're going to be deported, trump yesterday is not exactly correct. he never says he's going to deport all hispanics. >> when you're deporting undocumented people, you're forcing their families who are here legally to go with them. >> this is also the current law of the united states. because politicians have failed miserably for decades, someone that wants to enforce the law is racist and bigoted? absolutely not.
mr. trump tweeted and touted the food at his grill and said i love hispanics. the statistics he showed regarding the immigrants coming into this country, that's homeland -- >> people are saying they're ticked off because, among other reasons, not all hispanics are mexicans. >> absolutely. frankly, it comes up mexicans being rapists and murderers is also ugly. >> take that up with the department of homeland security. >> no facts justify that. >> he's viewed unfavorably 7 out of 10 hispanics says the latest "washington post"/abc news poll. there was a poll done a couple of months before that showed it even higher. how does he get out from under that? i'll start with you on that, katrina? >> what he's going to do is continue to draw the contrast of trump's vision of america. >> they're going to vote on the economy. >> they want jobs, absolutely. they want quality education. they don't want what they've had
the whole time. hillary's message is old and is hasn't worked. her president was husband for two terms. she was secretary of state. things are worst today. >> what donald trump has accomplished is he's united republicans and democrats behind hillary clinton. you're seeing her numbers excel not just among hispanics but among women, among people of color, the mainmainstream. that's what's so unique about the trump candidacy. it's been so divisive you now see leading republicans either ignoring it or many standing against it. >> if that were true megyn, you wouldn't see liberals coming out on every network in fear of trump winning states that are supposed to go democrat. >> because you can't be kmrais end. that's the whole point. >> even michael moore said that. what did you think of that, paul ryan if. >> with regard to paul ryan, he's absolutely right. mr. trump september out a statement saying, wedon't want to get on board with the paul ryan agenda. you can't say you're anti-spending and then grow government exponentially and high-five the trillion-dollar --
>> i've got to go. i can't let you go without asking you why underneath the taco bowl there was a picture of marla maples, trump's ex-wife, who is in "people" magazine. >> it was "people". >> it sounded more interesting. of course, the internet sleuths started to look at everything. marla maples in a bathing suit! she's in "people" magazine. we also have an eye-opening report tonight on what's really happening with students at a major university. plus, a must-see interview with the father of the scientology leader david miscavige. leader david miscavige. his fatherhey, jesse. who are you? i'm vern, the orange money retirement rabbit from voya. orange money represents the money you put away for retirement. over time, your money could multiply. hello, all of you. get organized at voya.com.
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attacks come from someone very close to the story, ron miscavige, david's father. earlier i spoke to him about his new book "ruthless." ron, thank you very much for being here. >> i appreciate you asking me. >> how long were you in si scientolo scientology? >> from the time i got in, which was about 1970, it would have been about 42 years. >> wow. >> but i was on staff for 26 1/2 years. >> you were in the so-called sea elevation, the elevated part of scientology. >> right. like the equivalence of the -- >> did you know l. ron hubbard. >> never met him, no. >> so you got involved and got your son involved when he was how old? >> 9. >> you said by the time he got to be what, 12, 13? he was studying scientology almost exclusively? >> he was like a phenomenon. he took to this like a fish to water.
>> tell us about the religion as a whole because it's obviously controversial. it's done a lot of people a lot of good. >> yeah. >> and one of its core messages is, if you have a negative influence in your life, you can shut that negative influence out and focus on the positive and move forward. >> right. >> however, it's controversial because you write in your book about abusing people. >> yeah. >> tell us about that. >> well, the actual philosophy of scientology is not something i'm against. like i don't want to condemn it. and i don't condemn it because when you first get in, we're talking about at the bottom of the bridge, the whole thing is called a bridge to total freedom. at the bottom level, you take courses and you do drills and exercises on communication. you can get counseling or what we call auditing that will help you with your interpersonal relationships. >> and they have files on everybody who has done the auditing sessions. >> absolutely. >> john travolta, tom cruise. >> absolutely.
>> there's something called the hole where they put people who they believe need discipline. >> yeah. >> according to your book, physical beatings are a part of being in the hole. >> that i don't know about. i do know this, that the people in the hole would spend all day confessing their sins and some of the people in there, if they weren't getting what they thought was the sins out of the person, they would resort to physical things. >> is it true if you get sent to the hole you have to clean the floor with your tongue? >> i heard that one guy did, cleaned the bathroom with his tongue, yes. i didn't see this, but i heard it from reliable sources. >> did you ever go to david and say, what are you doing? >> believe me when i tell you that would have been such an improper question, i would have never said it. >> why? >> you just didn't do it. he was like the supreme leader. you didn't challenge him on anything. >> your own son. >> my own son. listen, he called me ron. he didn't call me dad. he sent me presents and he would
send me a card that said "dad." but in person it was ron. when i was there, i was a staff member. i was not his father. except on my birthday. and truth fully he would usually give me a nice spread from a very nice restaurant in l.a. down to where we were, give me nice presents. i appreciated that, but i would never challenge him. ever. and i'm going to tell you he wasn't always that way, megyn. when he was a kid, he was a loveable little kid. i mean, he had a great sense of humor. we got along great. and he was a smart kid. we would pull jokes at times. he went from that like this, from dr. jekyll to mr. hyde. >> let me ask you because you admit that you abused your first wife. >> absolutely. i have no excuses. >> that you punched her. >> yes. >> repeatedly. >> no, not repeatedly and never in the face. never like beating her up like has been said about me. >> how many times did you? >> i don't know. maybe all the time over a
ten-year period would happen maybe once a month or something like that. i know what my daughters said. they also said i beat them up with my fists, which is a complete lie. >> well, what is punching? >> i never punched my daughters. >> just your wife. >> in the arm or in the back. look, i regret it. i don't know what to say to you. i'm not making excuses for it. it was a horrible thing. whi got in scientology, the day i got in scientology, i realized i had what's called a case. i realized i was dramatizing things that i saw growing up. there was never any -- >> so they discourage that, scientology discourages that kind of abuse. >> absolutely. >> after having been in scientology for 40-plus years, you decided to leave. and the word you use is is to "escape". >> that's correct. >> why did you have to escape? >> megyn, you cannot walk out that gate. here's the life i was living. if you wanted to send a letter to somebody, you had to let the
envelope open with the stamp on it and you'd send it to security. they would read it. if it was okay, they'd seal it and send it out. if it wasn't, you'd get it back and it would tell you, you can't say these things. >> where were you living? >> on a compound. >> so everything is controlled. >> everything is controlled. you don't have a telephone. you go through a switch board operator. if you were to make a call, there is another person listening on the other end of the call. when my brother died and my nephew girard told me about it, i had crystal simmons listening on the extension. when my nephew told me, my dad's dad. goddamn, you couldn't go off the base to get a pair of underwear, go to walmart. >> so how did you escape? >> well, it's a hell of a story. i've got to tell you because we planned it for about six months. and my biggest cover on it was the fact that i was 76 years old and i was david's father.
nobody would have expected me to escape. that sunday morning, which was march 25, 2012, i went to a remote gate. there was two gates. one was the main booth where the security was and then there was one a little farther down where they just had a camera there to see who you were and you pressed a button. if they recognize you, they may ask, where are you going? what are you doing? i went and pressed the button. on the way over to there, there were two people, security guards, on duty. there was one guy who was in our galley who was eating breakfast. he had what they call the chase car, which is used to go after anybody if they were trying to escape. i know. >> they're going to chase you down. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> like a prisoner. >> like a prisoner. that's right. so now -- and i know urgen was in the main booth. i drove past the galley and saw
the car was tout there. by the time i got to the gate, i tell you my heart was in my throat. i hit the buzzer. he didn't even ask me who i was. he was used to me going across. he opened up the gate. i slowly moved out. i said, becky, we're turning left. i trumed p on the accelerator, down the road, i must have been going 75 if i got there. if i turned right, i would go to 10, l.a., left i'd be going into town. i figured, he's going to figure i'm take the highways. so i turned left to go into town, went into the boon docks and we were free. >> fascinating, ron. thank you very much for coming on and telling your story. again, the book is called "ruth less." all the best to you. >> thank you. >> and the church of scientology has denied ron's allegations in full and called them sad as a product of a father that they say was taken care of by his son
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hi. so new questions raised tonight about circumstanceum at the university of massachusetts. the students are now required to complete a course on social and culturalal diversity with a goal of helping students create change towards social justice and to hold attitudes which value cultural differences. great to see you pete. >> thanks for having me. >> there's nothing wrong with diversity classes, but when you're trying to push towards social justice which is a dicey terms in some circles and not everybody believes in the fuel principal is a different thing. >> when it's a mandatory course, but there's no mandatory course
on the constitution clearly you have one perspective. social justice is akin to western civilization and you say you be for whatever cause you think is just based on race, class and gender and it moves left. there is no reinforcement of the things that made this country great so we're no longer creating american citizens, we're forging these citizens the world. citizens of the world are terrible citizens of their own country because they're worried about causes for humanity. >> there was a whole movie about this and sort of underscored what's been taught in the colleges. if you pull out a principal and let's talk about inequality, let's talk about injustice it sounds fine, but when you put it in practice and hear it taught, it's all about bashing republicans and conservatives and people who don't think like some on the left do which now we're in new ter toe. we did a story last night from
jason reilly where he was disinvited from a school and they have reoffered this invitation. you're book is about this too and what's happening where free speech is being shut down. >> they don't want their safe spaces. they want a one-sided conversation and they want to shut you down and they want to be coddled. they're being coddled. and it takes toughness for both men and women to stand up and say what america has is exceptional. we're going not going to poe apologize for it because that's what was given to us and it's our charge to keep it. we need to dig deep and have the courage to fight for that because the left will overwhelm as as they always do with that one-sided pe
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what did you think of the interview we just had? let me know and follow me on twitter. great to see you all. i'm megyn kelly, this is the kelly files. tonight donald trump campaigns for the first time now as the presumptive raek nominee. he held a rally earlier tonight in west virginia. here are some of the highlights. >> i actually wish the primaries were not over. it's no fun this way. i want the primaries to keep going, but everybody's out. i'm the only one left. that's okay. right? right? who is a miner in this group. who is? stand up. you're all standing up anyway. i'll tell you what, folks, you're