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with the candidate and i have my questions but i'd like to hear yours as well. thanks for watching us tonight. please remember that the spin stststststststststststststststs. breaking tonight, a new fight erupting between the likely presidential nominees that could effect a key voting block come november. welcome to the kelly file. i'm megyn kelly. we are more than two months out and the race for the white house is getting personal as the two sides ramp up their attacks on each other over the issue of women. donald trump repeatedly bringing up bill clinton's affairs on the campaign trail and in interviews and how hillary clinton handled them. here's just one example. >> he was impeached. he was impeached and then he lied about it. he said nothing happened with monica and then he said sorry
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folks, it actually did happen and the guy was impeached for lying. >> all of that can be true. what does it have do with hillary? is this she can't talk about me because nobody respects women more than donald trump. i will be better for women by a big factor than hillary clinton who frankly i don't even think will be good to women. >> now team hillary is hitting back hard with a new video suggesting mr. trump has his own problems with women. watch. >> because nobody respects women more than donald trump. she came to my wedding. she ate like a pig and seriously the wedding cake was like missing in action. does she have a good body, no. does she have a fat [ bleep] absolutely. >> in moments we will hear from
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a trump campaign spokesperson and we begin tonight with john roberts reporting from new york city. john. >> reporter: donald trump is facing a big problem in the general election. everything that he has said about women over decades is out there in print or on tape primed and ready to be used against him in the general election. in fact a super pac supporting hillary clinton is readying a $90 million ad by against mr. trump. trump is laying down the gat lant, attack me on women he said is saying and i will drag out all of your dirty laundry from the 1990s. it was back then bill clinton was accused of sexual assaulting or harassing several women. jennifer flowers said she had a year's long affair with clinton while the monica lieu win ski affair lead to congress.
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several women claim they suffered retribution coming forward. in washington over the weekend he lashed out viciously against the clintons. >> he was impeached for lying about what happened with a woman. hillary was an enabler and she treated these women horribly. just remember this. some of those women were destroyed not by him, but by the way that hillary clinton treated them after everything went down. >> in virginia today clinton was asked about trump's attacks, but refu refused to take the bait. >> i'm running my campaign. i'm not running against him. he's doing a fine job of that himself. >> reporter: but the clinton campaign and her supporters have a decision to make. if they go after trump on what is his most vulnerable point, he will use the scandals of the 1990s as a flame thrower against
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her. paula jones showed up at a trump rally in february and shook hands with him and took a selfie. >> thank you. as we showed you a few minutes ago team clinton is out with a new ad attacking donald trump over his comments about women. again, the trump campaign joins us in a moment, but first we go to former michigan governor who is a senior adviser to the clinton campaign. here to correct the record she's the adviser of the group. thank you for being here. what's the point you're trying to make in that video? >> well, the point is donald trump's own words are going to be used against him. this is true and it is a reason why 70% of women in the country, not just democratic women, 70% of women have a negative opinion of him. while this is all going on with donald trump attacking hillary clinton personally, what she's doing is that she was in virginia and in kentucky today
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sitting down with women talking about the policies that she is going to push for to help their lives. so while he may be attacking her, she is fighting ba can on policy and is going to fight for women whether it's on day care or child care, universal health care. >> she has sur gates out there like you and your group who will make a different argument for her against him. she has a way of fighting if you will. but i want to ask you about his attacks on her and how your group and or hillary clinton will respond to these accusations that she was in his words an enabler of bill's alleged abuse of women. >> well, it's obviously ridiculous, but what her response is going to be is exactly what she said today. she is going to fight back on policy and describe how she's going to fight on behalf of women. this is where the republican got it wrong when they were up
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against him. they attacked only way late in the game and it was personal insults. she's not going to do the personal insult thing. >> he's going to come out there and he's going to say -- >> that has been asked and answered. they're all ridiculous. so what she's going to do is say we're going to let him fight the low ground campaign he's going to fight, but i'm going to fight for women. women who need health care and women who need parental leave and day care for kids and reproductive freedom. she's going to fight their case and that's where the contrast is going to be. >> is it fair game -- do you think it's fair game -- if hillary clinton -- if these women come out and say she came after me, there's at least one woman in bill clinton's past who claims hillary tried to silence her, she claimed at one point
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she had been raped by bill clinton back in 1978. this has all been adjudicated years ago, but if she says hillary clinton tried to silence me, she didn't care, does that just get ignored? the next generation coming up is going to say, what? what happened? >> yeah, they are going to say what, what happened? hasn't this been asked and answered going back to the '90s to litigate that old stuff is not what hillary clinton is about. she wants to argument about who is going to fight for real people going forward. she wants a vision for the future. she doesn't want to get into the pig sty with the pig. she's going to stay on that ground. >> great to see you. thanks for being here. >> thanks. joining us now with a response is the national spokesperson for the trump campaign. katrina good to see you. can you speak to the governor's allegation? she's saying this is asked and answered, it's been litigated and discarded and hillary
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clinton is not going to touch it? >> i think that's what they have to say right now because they weren't really anticipating having to run against trump, someone who is going to be unafraid to bring these issues up particularly as we've known hillary clinton and her campaign were going to run as a woman on women's issues and nothing else. every policy that was mentioned were about women. >> she was highlighting the women's issues because she was here on the show. hillary clinton's running on many issues other than the ones mentioned. >> that's the one thing she's talking about. >> the candidates were arguing about it. >> with respect to sexism though this is not just a donald trump issue. i'll reminds you bernie sanders says excuse me and her campaign blew up. supporters were calling bernie sanders sexist. then you have the irony of bill clinton coming out calling bernie sanders profane sexist. this is a common thread that we see in hillary clinton's campaign and mr. trump is simply
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defending himself. many women reject this old fashioned femininism. many women respects the idea that someone treats them the same. if you think criticizing a woman in response -- >> this goes back to the first question i asked mr. trump which was never a statement about what megyn kelly rn megyn kelly thinks, it was a statement about what hillary clinton is going to do and she's doing it and it was about trump's language about women in particular and i know he says he's an entertainer, but as you know very well some of those terms that are specific to women have continued this past year. >> just because you criticize a woman, particularly in response to her criticism of you, does not make you a sexist and does not make you -- >> what if you refer to her
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looks as he did with carly fiorina? >> he referred to men's looks as well. that's the point though. that's the point. mr. trump has criticized men too who have criticized him. this criticism isn't reserved for women and i think that's the difference. >> what about the word bimbo? >> it's another thing. mr. trump has criticized women who have criticized him as he's criticized men who have criticized him. >> that word is fine by you? you don't see that word as sexist at all. >> even if it is or not, the points is he doesn't reserve criticism for women. that's sexism. if someone criticizes him, he criticizes them. it's equal. that's the point. >> the point they're trying to make is that there's a particular tone and a particular choice when he's going after women versus the men. that's what they're going to be saying. >> that's what they're going to say, but history is going to show that's simply not the case.
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mr. trump was one of the first to bring women into executive positions back in the '80s with his organization. he has been very much accommodating to women in corporate america. he has more female executives than male executives. he has two sons but his daughter is inherenting the company. >> i didn't know that. >> they'll have shared responsibilities, but he said ivanka's going to take over if he is elected. >> great to see you. thanks for being here. we have new developments tonight in the fight between donald trump and speaker paul ryan and what it means for the nominating process and then there's also new fallout from a new york times report suggesting the obama administration knowingly lied about key parts of the iran deal. james rosen and steve hayes are here for a fact check.
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west pointe cadets poise for this photo and create an uproar so fierce the academy is taking
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new drama in the ugly fallout between donald trump and
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paul ryan as the man expected to be the republican nominee goes after one of the country's top republicans. it was less than a week ago that the rnc chair was rallying republicans to support donald trump, but in the last 72 hours the country has instead been focussed on a big fight at the highest levels of the party. we have two guests with us tonight on opposite sides of this. radio host charlie sykes and we go to trace gal ger. >> reporter: paul ryan says he's met donald trump one time, doesn't know him and isn't ready to support him yet. ryan left the door wide open saying he never says never and his goal is to work toward real unity in the republican party and that the party needs to be at full strength to defeat hillary clinton. the house speaker won't detail his concerns about donald trump to the media preferring instead
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to to did thursday, but paul ryan is worried about mr. trump will campaign on conservative ideas and whether he plans to moderate his tone to appeal to a more diverse array of voters. donald trump said he wasn't at first blindsided by the comments exhibit but later he was caught off guard. >> i have a nice relationship with him. don't know him well, met him one time and then all of a sudden he gets on and does this number. i'm not sure what he has in mind. >> reporter: as for whether he plans to ask paul ryan to step down as co-chairman of the gop convention trump said he would address that later. sarah palin wants ryan voted out all together. ryan dismissed that comment saying house speaker is not a good stepping stone for president. when he was asked about reports that mitt romney is being cou
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courted by conservatives, paul ryan says he's opposed to that saying it would be a disaster. my next got attention when he took on donald trump. charlie sykes, good to see you. trump went on to lose the state of wisconsin, but win the gop primary and you say you remain never trump. before i ask you about paul ryan, why? because you know the argument against that is that's a vote for hillary clinton. >> donald trump is a serial liar, a con man, he's a bully, he has no fixed principals who has the vocabulary of a 9-year-old. i don't want to give him control of the irs, fbi and the nuclear codes. that's just me. >> tell us how you really feel. it doesn't sound like there's a lot of wiggle room there. >> i do see the raft swimming
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towards the sinking ship. that's not the fact that he's abandoned one position after another or he has conspiracy theories. a week ago tonight he was pedaling the notion that ted cruz's dad had something do with the jfk assassination. there are some people that say because of party loyalty we're supposed to forget that, i don't buy that. you embrace donald trump, you embrace it all. you embrace every slur and spend the next six months rash alliesing that and you come back and say that's not what we're about. if you support him to be president of the united states, that is who you are and you own it. >> how do you see this shaking out then in november. >> well, i think that it's likely to be a blowout for the
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democrats so you asked me about whether or not being never trump is a vote for hillary. i can't control the outcome of that campaign. i've been trying for the last six months to avoid this moment because you're talking about two really detestable people running for office. you think a kroentd licountry l could do better than hillary clinton and donald trump. all you can control is where you stand and what i hope is that conservatives manage to come out of this with our integrity and their dignity and principals inexact. >> what do you make of paul ryan. >> he's not never trump. i want to make this clear. what i think is interesting is that paul ryan is the polar opposite of donald trump. he's a decent human being. he is deeply serious and engaged in policy, none of which donald trump is. i think what's unreasonable to expect as some folks do that conservatives should simply surrounder and roll over as oppo opposed to doing what paul ryan
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is doing which is asking for a conversation. what do we stand for? what do we believe in. that's a conversation that we need to have even though donald trump has won the nomination that doesn't mean that he immediately gets to win all of the battle of ideas or he gets the soul of the republican party and i think paul ryan wants to know which donald trump is going to be. what does donald trump stand for and think about taxes and government and the constitution and all of authorization things th that we believe. >> good to see you. joining us now is former presidential candidate who run against mr. trump governor mike huckabee who feels different about the subject. what do you think about charlie sykes? >> he's not alone and he expresses some very strong views and i respect that, but i also want to say that we have two choices come november. we have hillary clinton and donald trump.
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some people say we don't know what donald trump's going to do. maybe we don't. which thi i think we have a good idea and i think he'll be a good president. we know what hillary clinton will do. she will appoint people to the supreme court that will take it so far to the left that we will lose second amendment rights and the rights of the unborn are going to be trampled upon and i don't understand why paul ryan thought that it made sense to publicly express some of these misgivings. he had a meeting with donald trump coming this thursday. that's where it should have been handled. >> what they're saying is he did that and they're asking trump to sort of allow that so that some house members can run distancing themselves from trump if they're in a district that isn't that pro-trump and that way the republicans can keep the house and the republicans hope win the white house, but they're hoping if they don't win the white house it will keep the house seats. >> let me remind your viewers of
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something. donald trump already and we're not even finished with the primaries has already received more votes in the republican process than john mccain or mitt romney when they had completed the entire process. so when these people are wringing their hands and sweating bullets about donald trump, they need to remember that he got a lot of votes, a lot more than any of the nominees have in the past several cycles. if they really wanted a nice guy, i was available, but they didn't want a nice guy. they wanted donald trump. they want someone to go out there and tell it like they're feeling it and they're going to have donald trump as the nominee. i'm going to support donald trump because i know what hillary clinton would do to this country and donald trump will win over hillary clinton and i believe he will be a excellent president. i really believe that. if i didn't believe it, i wouldn't say it. this thing about paul ryan saying if he asked me to step down, if paul ryan can't support the nominee that the voters have
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chosen, he should not make donald trump ask him, he should do the right thing and step aside on his own. >> that's fascinating. i do hear it was in the end it was right down to you and carson for number one nicest and it was christie and trump on the other. you had my vote. >> thank you. >> i think he might have been the nicest person to run. it's tough to say because carson is nice too. coming up, west point has launched an investigation into this photo. damage control for top obama advisor after he is accused of knowingly lying about the iran nuclear deal and then bragging about it in a new report. steve hayes and james rosen are next. don't miss this report. it's an important one. sir, this alien life form is growing at an alarming rate. growing fast, you say? we can't contain it any long... oh!
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weekend after admitting to the new york city times magazine that the martive sold to the american public on the iranian nuclear deal was simply ecoed white house talking points and the iran deal was not his first offense. james rosen is with us now. what exactly is it that he did that's gotten him in trouble. >> so this past weekend "the new york times" magazine run a 10,000 word profile written by a respected reporter. in it ben rhodes is quoted throughout expressing contempt for the white house press core and the foreign policy establishment which he calls the blob and he includes hillary clinton and bob gates and so forth. the article makes the following
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accusation that rhodes and the obama administration pointed to the election of a new president in iran in 2013 as the reason why we have to do a nuclear deal with iran because now we have a moderate government in there and the article shows that the obama administration had begun secret talks with iran before that election in iran back in 2012. ben is defending himself today in a short piece in essence saying we believed everything we said, it may have been spin, but it wasn't lies, but very to tell you having read all of this very closely even ben's defense of himself contained untruth statements. >> in the article in "the new york times" magazine that they lied to the public and they did it for a good reason and that they used what he clearly views as a stupid compliant, lazy press core to get the job done.
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>> he said most of the reporters were 27 year olds and knew nothing about world affairs and to some extent there is some legitimacy in ben's indictment of the washington press core. i and certain other reporters all along have been questioning some of the untruths told by the obama administration both about the original sets of negotiations with iran and also some of the lies that were told about the actual substance of the deal. ben was on cnn last april of 2015 saying that this deal means that there will be in he time anywhere 24/7 access of iran's nuclear sites and that turned out not to be true. >> didn't you also ask them about these channels of communication that had been established with iran long before the moderate was elected there. you were pressing them on the b.s. that was we have to do it now because we have a friend in
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iran. >> they lied flatly to me from the state department podium. i showed up in the press briefing because i had gotten a tip that there was some kind of secret talks going on between the united states and iran was february of 2013. the state department briefer said government to government contacts of the kind you're talking about, no. they had been going on for eight months at that time. >> is that permissible. sometimes you lie to protect national security. they don't want it leaking to the press at that point. >> i'll report and we'll let the viewers decide if that's permissible. >> stand by because we want to bring in steve hayes. steve, ben finding himself on defense and it was an extraordinary piece in "the new york times" magazine because what was so devastating about it was the writer didn't cut out ben's knees. he didn't seem to hate ben. so the stuff about his admissions was devastating because it didn't look like the writer had an agenda. you saw the name back when you
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were investigating on the ben gazi talking points which the white house had told us over and over and over again that they never touched before susan rice went out and said this is about a video. it turns out they did touch it and why don't you tell the audience who was the one who authord those talking points. >> there were basically two sets of talking points and ben offered one of the key sets of white house talking points that blamed the attacks on a video. it was basically made up from beginning to end. ben played a key part in those talking points. he played a key role in the original talking points that original natd from the state department and cia and were by the state department of other parts of the administration. >> directly misleading us. they're on camera saying they had nothing to do with those talking points and ben wrote the
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memo. here they are directly telling reporters who pushed past the talking points, no, it's not happening and now we know that's not true. what do you make of it. >> i remember distinctily watching them ask the question about the fact that these attacks took place on the anniversary of 9/11 and karny said you're inflating two things unrelated. if you're sitting outside the press room and you hear that you think what are you talking about, of course it matters that this was the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. i think we're seeing the same thing on the question of the iran deal. i remember at the time we were asking these questions i remember the briefing that james just described. we're asking these questions, some of us in the briefing rooms and some of us outside saying that doesn't add up and make sense and one after another we were told you don't know what you're talking about.
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they belittled people and they enabled people who were amplifiers of their messages many of whom were 27-year-old reporters. >> we get paid to be cynical. we do it with a badge of honor. that's what we're supposed to do. you're not supposed to accept the spoon fed spin. that's why these two guys are great. they are cynical mofos. can we say that on tv. >> my business cards say cynical mofos. >> they should. good to see you both. it's a dirty job, but somebody's got do it. ever since this photo started making the rounds there have been growing questions about what these west point cad cadets were trying to say. breaking news into hillary
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clinton's e-mail scandal and how a they cannot find any of a staffer's e-mails.
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next week mrs. clinton will be interviewed by the fbi. she says she's never heard from them. her lawyer has heard from them. next week her closest aids will be giving a deposition and an examination under oath outside the courtroom on the whereabouts of e-mails. now we find out tonight that the most significant of her staffers, the guy she paid $5,000 to to commit a felony to mieg rate her e-mails, they can't find his e-mails. there's a debate going on in the kremlin about whether they should release the 20,000 of mrs. clinton's e-mails that they have hacked into and received and stored. all of this is happening at once. >> oh boy. let me walk you back to the use of the f word and i'm not talking about mofo, talking about felony. >> right. >> because that remains to be seen. in the leaks we got over the
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past couple of days were that they're not finding any intentional conduct by mrs. clinton in connection with this server that would be needed to justify these charges. >> i am sorry that those leaks are coming out because they are absolutely wrong and they're being leaked by people ignorant of the law because this statute espionage the failure to keep secure state secrets does not require the government prove intent. it's the rare federal crime that the government can prove by gross negligence. so your listeners can tell us if 2,200 e-mails containing secrets is enough for gross negligence. >> they may not find that. i get your point, but the number itself does not mean she was grossly negligent. it does depend on the content. >> there's an e-mail from mrs. clinton to one of the five of
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her aids saying that document you have that says secret on it, white out the word secret. i want to read it tonight. fax it from your home fax machine to my home fax machine. if that's not an intention to move a state secret from a secure place to a non-secure place you tell me what it is. >> it depends on who original natd the top secret designation right? if it came from the state department wouldn't it be within her purview to say it's not top secret. >> no because she signed an oath and that oath says a document is secret because of the contents on the document, not because it is declared or stamped secret. she promised that as the secretary of state she understood her obligation to recognize secrets when she sees them whether they're marked secret or not. >> look at him go. you can tell he had a career in the courtroom. >> i'm disappointed that her people are spreading false information, but it does tell
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from the world headquarters it's the kelly files. a group of cadets at west point military academy have created an uproar by posing with a photo with their fists in the air. >> there's a long west point tradition where graduating seniors mimic photos of cadets from centuries past. these 16 african-american female cadets took several photos that were circulated among students, but the one featuring raised fists gained national attention when it was sent to military
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blog eger who called it unfros unprofessional saying it was connected with black lives matters, calling for the deaths of police officers and going so far as to call for the deaths of white americans. but the chair of the board says she knows that's young women and they love the military. she posted a different photo on twitter saying she knew the raised fist was their expression of pride and unity and that it would be misinterpreted by white observers. unfortunately in their youth it appears they didn't stop to think it might have any political context or any meaning other than their own feeling of triumph. academy rules restrict political expression while in uniform. >> thank you. joining me now is kevin jackson.
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good to see you. do you have a problem with these women with the fists? >> in the scheme of things the answer would be no. we unfortunately we live in a time where things like that do create kind of an response and i think that when you think about it in perspective, if you had seen a group of white kids with their hands raised in a hitler salute we would be talking about the -- >> is the same? >> pardon me. >> is that the same as a fist? what this mean you heard quoted in the piece, what she says is they were trying to show triumph. they were 18 that were going to graduate. maybe their feeling triumphant. >> a lot of people can feel that way, but it goes back to 1968.
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>> it's tough for us to say, but i would go a step further and say what if it was a group of white cadets that had raised their fists. i think we would still be talking about it. at the end of the day we are in a racially charged america mainly because of the way that in my opinion liberals have created the country. we've conditioned ourselves to become politically correct. in the scheme of things this shouldn't be considered a big deal. they could have done the charlie angels pose and nobody would have thought anything of it, but if you're serving in the military and you don't know if the person beside you does care about your life, does your life matter more than a so-called black lives matter movement, i think that could create a stir. even back in the '60s when soldiers were dealing with this
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and they had a lot of issues and race issues that blacks were concerned about, these guys fought side by side and shoulder to shoulder, but in today's environment where we've created a black lives matter movement over a fake thing and we've seen the level of discussion against white -- >> everything black lives matter does is for a fake thing. obviously they've made some questionable choices, but there have been murders. there's been murders of young african-american men by white police officers. we don't want to dismiss the entire thing. i do want to say congrats to those young women because it's not easy to graduate from west point and hopefully this won't myer that accomplishment. great to see you. >> when we come back, the first look at my it's your home.
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after nine-plus months, the wait is over. tonight, a preview of my much-anticipated sit-down with presumptive republican nominee, donald trump. it's been a long year. a lot has happened. and for the very first time, donald trump and i sit down together and discuss it all. that interview will air next week on my new fox broadcast special, "megyn kelly presents." watch. you seem to stay angry for months. was that real? or was that strategy? >> well, i'm a real person. i don't say, oh, gee, i'm angry tonight but tomorrow you're my best friend. see, i do -- i do have a theory that in when somebody does -- this could happen again with us. i mean, it could be even doing this particular interview. i have great respect for you you were able to call me and say, let's get together and talk. to me, i would not have done
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that. i don't say that as a positive. i think it's a negative to me. you walked into trump tower, we didn't have a neutral site or over at fox or something, it would be a whole different thing. i wouldn't have done it. >> i think the door memen are stimstill recovering. >> i think the whole building is still recovering, people are going, this can't be special, right? >> see my interview, fox special, tuesday at 8:00 on your local fox station. this morning i swung by "live with kelly and michael" to talk about the special and donald trump. >> you seem truly, to me, unflappable. is there ever anything that happens to you where you go home at night and just, you know, become emotionally overwhelmed or -- >> yes, i mean, i'm a normal person. i gave a speech recently talking about the whole dustup with trump and people started to say that i am fearless and that is not true and i don't think it's true of anybody. you know, i cry.
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i have fear. and, you know, my husband will attest that of course it's been a difficult year and thank god i have him and thank god i have my three loveys who get me through everything and ground me in everything in life. but that -- that shouldn't be the goal for anybody. i think we set the goal too high for ourselves as women and as men even to say we have to be fearless. the best -- these navy s.e.a.l.s, you know, they'll talk about how you have to walk through the fear. that's what -- just walk through. just do it. you just have to, like, shore yourself up. i tell the gals on my team, head down, shoulders back, forge forward. and if you can just push through the moment, then it's past and you feel a little more courageous and feel a little stronger and the next time it's easier and the next time it's easier. >> wow. >> had a great time over there. thanks again for having me, kelly and michael. we'll also have exclusives with o.j. simpson attorney robert shapiro speaking out for the first time in 20 years. laverne cox will join us as well and michael douglas on the
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reports that he's dying. the answer to that once and for all. "megyn kelly presents" airs next tuesday may 17th 8:00 p.m. eastern time. it's not on fox news channel. it's on big fox. fox, "empire" fox. find me there. see you tomorrow at 9:00. tonight, some in the republican party are refusing to support donald trump. >> does it have to be unified? i'm very different from everybody else perhaps that has run for office. i don't think so. >> ben carson and former governor rick perry are here tonight to explain why unity is needed. >> he signed the pledge and say he's not going to sign the pledge. >> trump calls out his republican rivals for breaking the party's loyalty pledge. a rirks fleischer, tucker carlson, peter johnson jr. all weigh in. >> she was a total enabler. she would go after these women and destroy their lives. >> and trump slams hillary clinton over her