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o' word of the day, do not be a curmudgeon when writing to the factor. tomorrow miller -- walters with millennials and trump. the spin stops here. we're looking out for you. less than 12 hours away from a critical capitol hill meeting. donald trump. the big story dominating headlines today, a potentially game changing meeting in washington, d.c., tomorrow. the leader of the republicans in the house speaker paul ryan will sit down with the man about to assume the mantle of the party, donald trump. the face to face comes days after speaker ryan was not ready to endorse mr. trump at this point. tomorrow, the two sides will attempt to hash out the differences. hours ago, speaker ryan told a room smacked with political
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reporters, that republicans cannot ignore their divisions if they want to come together and defeat hillary clinton in november. what does that mine? listen. >> to pretend we're ung phied without actually unifying, we go into the election at half strength. >> in moments we will ask eric trump what he thinks about the gop leaders demanding his father adjust course. first, we begin with john roberts on capitol hill, with the details on the big meeting. john? >> it's also fascinating to watch the palace intrigue unfold here on capitol hill. trump loyalists began prepping the battlefield if you will? morning. putting in their pitches as to why the speaker should get behind trump. chris collins who is the first member of congress to get on board the trump train sake. there should be broad agreement between the two, like taxes, keeping the country safe.
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republican values, things like that. in fact, i'm hearing that tomorrow's meeting, not so much being a discussion of the issues as much as it it will be a statement of principles between the two sides. while ryan's endorsement will be welcome, it's certainly not crucial. a two on a scale of 1 to 10 on the importance scale. for trump and ryan. tomorrow's meeting is being put under the heading of a getting to know you affair. >> i think we want to get to know each other much we want to see if we have the same ideas, i remember a large group of people with strong ideas and foundations. >> i don't really know him. i met him once in person in 2012. we had a very good conversation in march on the phone. we just need to get to know each other. >> both sides are playing down expectations for what might happen at and after tomorrow's meeting. speaker ryan's people do not expect lightning will strike. trump's people say they'll be
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lucky to come away with a handshake. >> joining me now with more, eric trump, the son of presumptive gop nominee, donald trump and also one of the executives of the trump conglomerate. great to see you, eric. >> good to be here. >> fortune magazine has a piece out today that says this, trump badly needs speaker ryans endorsement. do you agree with that? >> he has tens and tens of millions of votes, he's run away with it. he has more votes than any republican in any primary ever. the guy's done an incredible job. he's grown the party, he has brought the party together for whatever that's worth. if he doesn't have the speaker's vote or his will, whatever it may be, it will go on. would it be nice? yes, is the ultimate goal to beat hillary clinton? yes, that's everyone's goal. no one wants her to be president. it would be an absolute disaster. everybody should band together and march forward. if he doesn't have it, will life
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go on, absolutely. >> it can't be resolved like that fight with your spouse, all right, everything's fine, we're fine, we're good, right? you have to actually hash it out. they have to sit down, they have to have some candlelight, they have to get deep and emotional. >> i think that's right. i think the difference with my father -- >> you do? >> in a certain way, for sure. my father has never walked the halls of washington with these people. he's built amazing businesses his entire life. this isn't his thing. he's going into washington, he needs to get to know these people. >> what if they want him to change, we don't like what you said about planned parenthood, we don't like what you said about trade. >> he probably won't. he speaks from the heart, he's not bought by anybody, he's self-funded his campaign thus far. he has his own ideas, and those ideas are resonating with people. he's winning, i'm not sure how much he will complaining. are there little things here and there? possibly. my father carries conviction
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with him. the people are lined up behind him. he's going to go to these meetings. he wants to win, is it smart for the republican party to embrace it? i mean, it's over, he's the nominee. is it smart for them to embrace it? of course it is. let me ask you about you, 32 years old, married, no children. but a dog. that's how it starts. >> you are the son of donald and ivana trump, right? >> yes. >> when you were being raised, what role did your dad donald play in your upbringing. who did you live with mostly? >> my father is my best friend in the world. i spent every free moment in his office, listening to him making the deals. i was close to my mother as well. she's an amazing woman, very supporty and active. i have great parents. they were parents that made us work. there were no free handouts.
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because you're not? >> listen, my father threw us on construction sites at a very young age. he gave us a sledgehammer and we would break down walls and run electrical lines. he spoiled us with education, he always believed in going to great schools and getting great grades and taking education seriously. but at the same time, he put us to work about there really was no free time. >> what did he do when you got -- >> believe me, he could look at us and we knew we were disciplinedp he had high expectations for us. he was loving and fun and jov l jovial. >> give us a memory of when he was fun? >> so many. >> just pick a favorite. >> give us something he did that
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was embarrassing. >> walters, he picked a picture off my shelf of me and my father. we would hop on bulldozers together and let us drive through walls. >> that's not embarrassing. i want something embarrassing. if you asked me about an embarrassing story about my mother, coy keep you here all day. >> he sent a bunch of roses to girls i didn't know about, because he liked them for me. i'm so proud of everything he's accomplished. >> in the moments when he is not great, does he take council from anybody? >> yeah, i think he does. he makes up his own mind. a lot of people will give opinions, sometimes he'll follow them, go off and do his own thing. >> who do you think is his chief adviser? >> i think don, ivanka and i are.
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>> in my mind, ivanka is at the top. >> she's the princess, she's the daughter. don and i are more like the brutes. i can't tell you how it is that i'm speaking to him at 6:00 in the morning or 11:00 at night. it's a great relationship. >> the three of you have turned out so beautifully. it's great to know you a little better. >> one very well known trump opponent is getting a lot of attention tonight on social media for a facebook message that has now reached a million people. donald trump failed his litmus test of liberty and has repeatedly worked to undermine it. he also encouraged those who want to blow up washington to consider what will happen if they do. this is part of that here. you watch. zblo joining me now is brad thor. author of the new book foreign agent along with trump supporter david wall.
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you just heard that interview with eric trum. p you heard the man he knows, fun, fun loving, giving to his children. honest. why do you not see him that way, and why can you never get behind him? >> his children obviously see a private, personal part of donald trump. i wasn't very moved by that interview. they're saying paul ryan can take him, leave him, they don't really care, they don't need him. just like they don't need conservatives. the idea that they're his chief advisers also troubles me. we were going to see that donald trump is more presidential. he goes on morning television and still talking about the rafael cruz assassination story. i think donald trump is interviewing for the most important job in the world right now, and we're seeing him at his
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best and it's horrible. >> what do you make of that point specifically the reference to rapheal cruz? >> this is what people love about him. despite his extraordinary wealth, he gets down and dirty with people and lets them have it when he feels it's appropriate. he's got policies people love. i have firefighters as neighbors, a teacher who's a democrat, and they're going to vote for him. he's pro protecting the border, not selling america out, making america first. appeal to everybody across the political spectrum, and you can nitpick at little things he said in the past. i read brad's article, he called him a dspot. he's made a career out of give and take. the kind of give and take that will end up benefiting america. >> hold on, give him a chance to
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weigh-in. >> i didn't call him a despot. i said if you look at donald trump's character, he has a tilt toward authoritarianism, throughout history, when you have leaders that tilt toward authoritarianism -- when he talks about what he'll do when he becomes president, the military will obey his orders no matter what. >> let me ask you this. the thing about the military he took back. the thing about jeff bees us and the washington post, i think trump would say, that's bluster. >> leggen, he's interviewing now. he changes his position, he has more positions than a porn star. nobody really knows what he stands for. >> that's the only thing -- >> brad's a very intelligent guy. brad, does it concern you, at this point in time given the status of everything now. that when you condemn donald trump, you are becoming a de
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facto hillary clinton surrogate. >> let him answer that. people make that suggestion. >> here's the deal, i respect your admiration for donald and your surrogacy for him. when is he going to try to win us over. i've said this repeatedly, i think he has some great ideas. it's time to start acting presidential. i don't want whistles in the white house. >> he's won over -- >> no, he's trying to -- >> he's won over tens of millions of americans, at this point, very to say, brad -- >> tens? >> up to you. >> where do you get tens. >> let david finish his point. >> more votes than anyone in history. >> it's up to you what? >> it's up to brad to come to donald trump's side. >> hold on, i'm going to give you the finish. >> he does not have to come to people like brad hat in hand down on one knee saying please people like me, he's already
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accomplished that. so many people like him now, they've given him a huge mandate. it's up to brad to come over to his side, and i think they will. >> i am not goinge over to donald trump if he's acting like this. he is not only extremely arrogant, but that statement, as a fellow american is incredibly arrogant that somehow i have to go to him, he wants to represent me. he's an american, no better, no worse than i am, he has to prove himself worthy of that offense. that kind of arrogance is beneath the dignity of the entire country. >> brad thor's facebook post has been seen by almost a million people, and that's the thing with brad, whatever he writes, everybody reads it. that's why he's such a successful author. it's great to see you both. we also have some video tonight that may cause headaches for hillary clinton. watch. >> with the clintons, nothing is sacred. everything is for sale. but we are the ones who are paying the price. >> that is part of the trailer
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for the new documentary, clinton cash. and dana perino joins us next on that film and how it could affect the clinton campaign. the kelly file ainvestigates after the doj will not go after the top suspect for the benghazi terror attack. why not? donald trump talked about setting up a commission on rad kalg islam and the threat of terrorists coming to the united states. that report is next. stay tuned. >> and so with my muslim, christian, jewish, buddhist, hindu and nonreligious brothers and sisters that are gathered here today, i say no to the fascist ideology of donald trump. trump. enough is enough.
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ask your vet about 12-week protection with bravecto. breaking tonight, we are seeing a growing series of attacks against donald trump from some on the left and some in the muslim community. after the candidate talked about setting up a commission to look into radical islam. trump said he's calling on former new york city mayor rudy giuliani to speer head the
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group. >> what about the temporary muslim ban? >> well, we have a ban. there are obviously some very bad things going on. and we're going to figure out what's going on. in fact, i'm thinking about setting up a commission, perhaps headed by rudy giuliani to take a very serious look at this problem. >> in moments we will hear from carl higby a veteran supporting donald trump. first, we are joined by rul rula gibrial. it's great to have you here. >> thank you, megyn. >> it's odd trump talking about giuliani who he supports. i think in december, giuliani talked about the ban with sean hannity, he said it's unconstitutional. giuliani said himself it would create more terrorists. look, let's leave alone the
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morality and the -- i would say the legality of the issue. let's talk about how practical this issue is. how he's going to be putting it in practice. are we going to see custom border officers at airports stopping muslims? how are they going to know who's a muslim and who's not? by measuring their beards, by their names? by their skin tones? this proposal is nonsensical to start with. it would be very hard to enforce. >> let me pivot off the muslim ban for a minute. it wasn't clear in trump's answer, whether this commission that's going to study radical islam is going to -- is about the ban or if it's about -- what are we going to do about the problem of radical islam, if it's the latter, do you have a problem with that? >> if it's studying radical islam, i think we need more and more 911 commissions. i think that was a great idea. and i wish we follow actually
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some of their proposals. however, if you look at every serious foreign policy analyst or every serious politician on the right and left, whatever dorn ald trump had proposed, they consider atrocious. they consider dangerous and grotesque, even michael hayden, the former head of cia, who happened to be a republican, he said that trump proposals are actually act as recruiting sergeant for isis. these are people on the republican side who are concerned about these proposals and policies. let me go back to another proposal that ignored in the media. they talked about the database to track and register muslims in america. i mean, this resembles what a prewar german policy -- >> let me ask you something.
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>> what will they did with jews in europe. >> you know the muslim ban in particular has huge support within the republican party, like two thirds of republicans are behind it. so to those including trump, who say the people want this, what say you? >> look. luckily there's voting process, two thirds of the republican party will go to vote and the country will decide who they want to lead them. however, i think we need a journalist to be very serious and explain to our audience on the right, on the left. to the american people how serious this issue is, and the backlash it would have because of these proposals. look at what happened in history, these things not only don't work, but undermine our national security. i'm not saying that because i'm a muslim or an analyst. look at the people who are working in the fields, what they
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are telling you and the data they are presenting. whether people who are ex-cia officials or are in the democratic party or even the republican party. >> i got it. >> i think there's an important debate to be hold about extremism and radical zichl. however, radicalization and extremists and violence and jihadists you cannot block it because you're blocking your borders, it's an idea. you can theoreticalize -- be radicalized anywhere. >> i got to go. >> how high should a wall be to stop radicalization. >> i have to wrap you. my thanks to rula. let's turn to carl higby, author of "enemies foreign and domestic." navy s.e.a.l. story. let's speak about that, her point about the backlash, the backlash that would happen if such a policy were enforced.
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that gets people's ears perked up. i don't want backlash. >> we have a very big problem. we saw one happen around the world. donald trump's muslim ban, it was a broad sweeping narrative rudy giuliani said hey, this may be unconstitutional, he did say, we should stop the syrian refugee crisis. >> all the republicans were saying we shouldn't be letting in the syrian refugees, they all eventually came around to that position. trump's position was, we are going to ban all muslims, until we figure out what is going on. >> absolutely. >> it's a different policy. and if you're saying he's narrowing it to position that
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all other republicans have, that's going to change. donald trump has said, hey, look, i'll come a little bit to the middle on this one, maybe the muslim band was too broad streaking. he can adapt and take advice from people. >> his critics will say, that proves he'll say anything at any time to please his aud yns. >> that's every democratic candidate at any time. he makes a broad generalization. >> to her point, i asked her how the people are behind this. the republicans in particular are behind the muslim ban that trump talked about. >> i'm for did personally. >> her point is basically, that the experts don't agree where the public. if you pay attention, you'll see this won't work out the way you
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think it will. >> they're not in favor of us no matter what we do. i'm in favor of some sort of muslim band of the ideology into our culture. islam is not necessarily religion. it's broad sweeping and there's a lot of things that don't co exist. >> would you ban the london mayor? >> i don't know. i think it's going to be controversial. >> you don't know whether you would ban the london mayor from coming to the united states? >> yes. it's something we need to watch for, islam as a whole is not going do coist ask us it's only a matter of time before we see more and more problems develop. carl higby, thank you for being here. taking your thoughts on that on twitter@megynkelly.
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trace? >> he was captured by u.s. channedos in 2014 and brought to the u.s. aboard a navy ship. at the time, attorney general eric holder said it proves the u.s. government expend every effort to capture terrorists who harm u.s. citizens. the feds said their case was strong, and vowed to seek the ultimate penalty. now, the doj is shifting saying, quote, the department is committed to ensuring the department is held accountable for his alleged role in the
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terrorist attacks and if convicted he faces a sentence of life in prison. much of the government's case remains secret and the doj won't explain it's reversal except to say they do these on a case by case basis. but a legal source says prosecutors are having trouble getting evidence into court as well as bringing witnesses from libya to the u.s. for trial. and the u.s. responds to the benghazi attacks overseen by then secretary of state hillary clinton, which led to hearings and uncovered information about clinton's use of a private e-mail server during her time at the state department. unlike most terrorism suspects he does not appear interested in a plea deal and said he maintains his innocence and insisting on a jury trial, meaning the benghazi attacks could be in, and out of the headlines for months still to come, megyn? >> thank you, trace.
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joining me now, mark theissan, good to see you. >> good to see you, megyn. >> so there, you have it. they made their decision. >> they're saying death penalty, no death penalty. what difference, at this point does it make? well, it makes a huge difference to the people you had on just before that saw their friends die. the justice department thought the death penalty in the case of the boston marathon bomber, saying the nature of the issue compel this decision. compel. do they not compel the same decision in the case of the benghazi attacks? where the nature of the result of harm not equally grave? this guy was involved in a premeditated attack on the anniversary of the september 11th attacks. he killed a u.s. ambassador, first one killed in the line of
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duty since 1979 and 3 other americans risking their lives to protect them. we don't pursue the death penalty for him? it's absurd. >> what do you think is the reason for that? here, have you this guy who allegedly killed four americans and the boston marathon bombers injured countless others so it was clear the death penalty was murder. in this case, why do you think it was not? >> we can only speculate it, maybe they don't have a strong case and that they can't, they don't think they can win a death penalty case which is compelling because it means they don't have other witnesses or the information yet. that is pretty bad because they keep telling us they can't get a death penalty conviction, that is an indictment on them.
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another possibility is that this is inconvenient for barack obama and hillary clinton. >> why? >> because if they pursue just a regular case, then, a former prosecutor had a good article. they only have to pursue a very narrow case to show this guy was there on the night of the attack and if they go to a death penalty case, it is a second trial. they have to convince a jury to vote to execute him. and he can then turn that into a trial of the united states saying i was just a big player. and these other 10 guys are the real guys behind it. you can ask for information about when did they know the terrorist attacks? when did they know? >> this -- the interesting thing about this is that this guy, do you remember the strawberry
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frappe? this is the guy. the "new york times" tracked him down. they couldn't find him. they're like we're going to find the people who perpetrated this attack. they had to ask anybody in the "new york times" to talk to this guy over a strawberry frappe overseas so the "new york times" found him but we couldn't. as the press has the ability to make us all do, he talked and said something to the effect of the americans blew it because where was the security? question whether ne want him repeating that message in a u.s. courtroom. >> another thing he said over the strawberry frappe, he said this wasn't premeditated terrorist attack but a spontaneous protest in response to a video. >> sounds familiar. so he's in agreement with the obama administration. do they want him to say that? >> no. because obama administration prosecutors have to go and layout the case while this was a premed indicated terrorist
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attack and have to say what they knew, when they knew it. >> contrary to what they've been spinning, in other words. >> exactly, exactly. >> now, he's getting out here, i see now they have to choose which narrative. >> that is right. but they're looking. what they want is a plea deal. they want the case to go away. if you notice who has been praising them? the terrorists lawyers. so what's happening here is that -- >> this is -- >> strawberry frappe. >> just saying. we know he's a fan. >> great to see you. >> thank you. >> the book "clinton catch" became a bestseller when the author penned a investigation into the organization.
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new details tonight on a hot new trailer making headlines. you may remember clinton cash as the best selling book that involve involved allegations of corruption. now that book is being made into a documentary film, it will be
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released the night before the democratic convention kicks off in july. >> greetings from washington. >> i want to thank all of you for your work to route out corruption, that weakens economic development and organized crime, and undermines the promise of democracy. >> i believe in the oldest adage of american politics which is follow the money. >> a new report today claims that the clinton foundation gives 10% of its opinion that it raises to actual charities. >> enormous amounts of money flow to the clintons, from foreign governments, foreign financiers. >> you have a foreign corporation or a foreign government that wants something from the state department while hillary clinton is secretary of state they will make a large payment to the clinton foundation, that will be followed by favorable action on
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their behalf. >> they've created a model for massive self-enrichment that allows you to go into so-called public service but get extremely rich at the same time. >> oh, yeah, i have to pay our bills. >> before we had to worry about money from wall street and big labor. now we have to worry about it coming from around the world and inpicturing our politics. with the clintons, nothing is sacred, everything is for sale. we are the ones who are paying the price. maybe just maybe the american people are tired of being sold out. joining me now to discuss that, dana perino, co-host of the five. thanks for joining me. >> thanks for having me. >> when the book came out it was
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quite explosive, i remember it wasn't just the right who was saying, my gosh look what the clintons are doing, it was a lot of journalists and people on the left. journalists were saying, this looks fishy. they don't really care about the e-mail thing, about benghazi, it doesn't matter to them. this seemed to bother them. this documentary will probably not be embraced, but i think it will pack a punch, it's another bad thing for hillary. >> the allegations were that people were paying to have access to her, to get favors done by her while she was secretary of state and her husband was at the clinton foundation -- her daughter was running the clinton foundation and so on. you can't do that. you can't buy a politician and get favorable outcomes. >> the clinton cash the book
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really was a partisan thing. >> it's interesting to see schweizer partner with bannon. >> he may have been the best option at that point. i think something like when bill clinton says we had to pay our bills, it's probably taken out of contest he says now watch this drive. and it looked terrible for president bush. regardless of who produced it, for people who are going to watch it that are still undecided or maybe not that motivated to vote, does this hurt? yes. >> why do you think that will have any greater impact than the book did or for that matter, the film 13 hours about the benghazi heroes. >> it's one of the reasons your show is so popular, it's visual. we're a visual -- this is why people tune in to watch because it's good television.
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they won't remember the book, the visual memory is easier to remember. >> donald trump has decided that his nickname for hillary will be crooked hillary. it's already stuck. you add something like this documentary, we're talking about it in may, it's not coming out until july, it will have a lasting impression. >> what do you think about the clinton campaign releasing everything it has about donald trump. the main street media is going deep dive on trump's background. could this threat potentially be neutralized by hillary? and how -- we always talk about people underestimating trump. what about those who underestimate the clintons. >> that's a reason people are going to tune in from now until november 8th, you don't know what's going to happen. >> and the good news is -- >> i always have good news. >> when trump goes after
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hillary, everyone knows everything about hillary, no one's gone after hillary in this way yet, it will make some people uncomfortable, it will probably be a very unserve el campaign from both sides it will be a race to the bottom. i would expect they're going to try to do everything to win. whatever they have about donald trump, they will use. can it be neutralized? maybe not by this documentary, but by donald trump, maybe. >> we can go the low road. >> it's her choice,>> dana, gre. >> senator elizabeth warren is at it again. attacking donald trump on twitter. trump was quick to fire back. wait until you see how he
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my aunt b. walked by that picture at least a thousand times, remarked her father, my papa, had high cheekbones like all of the indians do. >> that was massachusetts senator elizabeth warren taking us on a little trip down memory lane as she and donald trump
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wage battle of the words made up of 140 characters to be exact. we'll tell you what we're talking about through trace gallagher who has the story. >> megyn, senator warren unleashed her third rapid fire twitter attack on donald trump in less than a week calling him out for his stance on wall street, minimum wage, women, posting, quoting here, "we get it, when a woman stands up to you, you're going to call her a basket case, hormonal, ugly." of course donald trump isn't one to lay low. joining the ranks of little marco, lyin' ted, crooked hillary, trump dubbed the massachusetts senator goofy elizabeth in which warren responded quoting again, "goofy? for a guy with the best words, that's a pretty lame nickname. weak." there has been speculation warren could be on the short list of hillary clinton's v.p. nominees but for now warren says she's more interested in making sure donald trump never reaches the white house and donald trump is now suggesting he knows why warren didn't run for president
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in 2016 tweeting, "goofy elizabeth warren didn't have the guts to run for potus. her phony native american history stops that and v.p. cold." you recall during her 2012 senate campaign, it came out that she once listed herself as having native american roots. here's part of how she then explained it. watch. >> being native american has been part of my story, i guess since the day i was born. i don't know any other way to describe it. we grow up on what our family tells us about our family. >> late today, trump veered off the native american slams instead accusing warren of using the woman's card. megyn? >> so that was fun. great to see you, trace. we'll be right back.
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insults people. we talk about that in the special among many other things. trump as you've never seen him tuesday on my fox broadcast special "megyn kelly presents" over on big fox, fox broadcasting, "american fox, "empire" fox. check your local listings. see you tomorrow. welcome to "hannity." tonight, 2016 presumptive gop nominee, donald trump is getting ready to meet behind closed doors with speaker of the house paul ryan tomorrow. here's what trump said earlier today about that meeting. >> i think i'm doing very fine with paul ryan. i have a lot of respect for paul ryan. we're going to have a meeting tomorrow. if we make a deal, that will be great. if we don't, i'll trudge forward like i've been doing and winning, you know, all the time. >> earlier today speaker ryan said this at a press conference an tomorrow's highly anticipated sit-down. >> i think these are conversations we're going to have. i don't really know him. i met him once in person in