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let's see pete hegseth! >> in the arena. >> not only his face, but his book. >> thanks for having me, everybody. >> i'm covered in glitter. see you tomorrow. >> nice meeting you. bill: a fox news alert. the temperature is getting higher on the iran nuclear deal today. ben rhodes won't testify and critics ripping the white house for protecting him. martha: ben rhodes is the senior obama advisor who was profiled in detail last week an was quoted as bragging on how he was the voice of the president and he created a positive outlook in the media for the iran deal. senator jason chaffetz told fox
news yesterday that's why he needs toll appear before the committee. >> he had great disdain with the process and the media, and said he could never have a dialogue with congress. anybody who reads that article will see they manipulated the public in a way to form support for the iranian deal that was not rooted in fact. there were parts of it that were not accurate. martha: the white house says no-dice. he will not appear. josh earnest basically laughed at republicans for suggesting he should. >> ben rhodes is the one hop told the truth. maybe the liars can explain why they were so long about iran's
willingness to live up to the terms of the deal. bill: the white house says he won't be there. did you honestly expect him to appear? >> i had hoped he would. he had an awful lot to say to reporters, and he's on television quite a bit. so it's difficult for me to understand how you have a privilege when it comes to talking to people elected to your if he -- by your fellow citizens, but it doesn't apply when you are talking to reporters. bill: the senators accused rhodes of lying, and the white house says the same of your own colleagues. just so we understand this, what did ben rhodes lie about? >> ben rhodes is the same guy who wrote the memo on libya and
denied it was about libya. that's great if you are working for the hallmark or lifetime channels, but it's not good when you are the national security adviser for the president. he's on tape saying any time, anywhere inspections. that's not true. he's on record talking about creating an echo chamber with reporters who will report whatever he wants them to report. to josh earnest's point, tommy cotton was ready to come. the senator they are so critical of who served two combat tours. tommy was ready to come. ben rhodes refused to show up. let's put them owl under oath. bill: what can you accomplish without rhodes being there? >> not much.
jay stop jay ge -- chaffetz wile whether to issue an subpoena. you don't assert a privilege when you get questions from people you don't like and that privilege doesn't apply when you want to sit down for a glowing piece on you in the "new york times." bill: there is a piece floating out there hat says your attorney said nothing could be done to save the four americans in benghazi in september of 2012. >> no, sir, dana chipman is a goodman and he served with great distinction. that was a transcript of one question he asked of leon panetta and jeremy bash. when you see the transcripts you
will see what dana was talking about was a very small point. the posture of the troops. how that order was received. all of that is what we want to ask people about. whether they could have gotten there in time, i don't think there is any issue with respect to that. the next question is why could you not. why were you not positioned to do it. dana is a wonderful person who served the country with great distinction. bill: fray gowdy, the republican from south carolina. martha: a big meeting will happen tomorrow between leading conservatives and facebook ceo mark zuckerberg. a group of influential republicans heading to california, and they will meet with facebook executives after a former staffer turned whistle
blower and accused the social network of editing their trending news section to block out popular conservative news stories. those attending tomorrow include glenn beck, barry bennett, and arthur brooks of the american enterprise institute. give us what this controversy is all about, william. reporter: we are talking about how did this story end up in the paper and above the fold on a-1. in the case of facebook we are not talking about a paper. but what do users see as news each time they sign on. this former employee said conservative stories never make it under the trending time. chairman mark zuckerberg says that is not true.
an algorithm koaments the internet and pops out what is most popular or trending regardless of politics. zuckerberg hopes to prove that at this meeting. >> it does pull the curtain back on this claim of transparency and claim that social media are reflectively reliably and objectively showing you what the world around you is paying attention to. reporter: so you have potential bias in the software itself. so what news sites it combs and the weight it's giving to it. martha: what's expected at this meeting? >> this is important because millions don't get their news from newspapers or television. they get from facebook's trending page. it's important for the growth of
facebook that people who use it trust them. zuckerberg hopes to prove that. the meeting will take place tomorrow and hopefully he will provide some transparency. but the algorithms at these social meade why sites, they covet them, how much will actually be revealed, we don't know. bill: dana perino will stop by in a moment. she joins us live to talk about what she expected to learn and maybe some questions she has for zuckerberg and others. matt schlapp said he will not go. he gave a list of 8 to 9 items that he says are far too significant to accomplish in one meeting. martha: there are some pretty serious charge, and he says
there is nothing that will be accomplished in this meeting. dana and others feel otherwise. it's the interview everybody has been waiting for. megyn kelly sits down with donald trump in a prime time special that's airing tonight. megyn asks about the moment the discussion began between the two of them at the first fox news debate in cleveland. >> you said you didn't feel that the moderators had been nice. do you think it's the journalist's role to be nice to candidates at a debate. >> fair. no, i don't think so. they don't have to be nice. >> you know it's not a cocktail party. >> in a certain way what you did might have been a favor. i thought if i can get through this debate with those questions, you can get through
anything. martha: there is much more to come. you can catch the full interview tonight. but first megyn will give us a preview. she'll come by later this morning. bill: we'll talk to megyn next hour. hillary saying she want to go back to the good ole days of the 1990s. while she was saying that barack obama says the good ole days on the always good. does he and clinton really want to start talking about that decade? martha: one congressman saying the details of what happened behind these images will shock you. the realtory of what happened to -- the real story of what
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>> sanders stands a chance today in kentucky and oregon. if he wins it gives the i am presenting she can't shake this guy and she doesn't have it locked up. what she want to do is move on to donald trump and the general election. but she does not have the democratic party united behind her. that's an absolute fact. bill: the third week in july, right? she is talking about bringing in bill clinton, bringing back the
1990s. >> i want to help bring back the kind of economy that worked for everybody in the 1990s. i don't think it will surprise you when i say we did a pretty good job when my husband was president and delivering. bill: the president was at rutgers university saying people think they want to go back to the good old days, but they weren't always good. it seems like a mixed mess and. does this work for her? >> bill clinton is a double-ended sword. people remember the 1990s as a time of prosperity and job creation. bill clinton left office with a 66% job approval rating. on other hand a lot of the issue
with bill clinton i based on women. there are super pac ad coming out hitting trump on thing he said about women. for trump that's a license, an open door for him to go after hillary for her role in the 1990s on the attacks on women. they say she took part in war rooms that attacked women he was involved with. bill: theodore kim work for the "new york times." he just tweeted. the metrics are in. the new york time article on donald trump's treatment of women is our most read story of the year.
where does that go? >> sometimes you want your best story to be the most read story. i don't think this was the "new york times" best story. there was a lot of controversy yesterday after one of the women in the story came out and said wait a minute, i don't think i was treated badly at all as the story pore raise and she suggests the "new york times" spun the story in a way she didn't intend. i think a lot of people came away thinking it was a draw. the "times" cited incident of trump's supposed behavior toward women but that it wasn't a story. bill: the marker has been laid down. if you are looking for clicks, this is it. martha: conservatives are set to
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and dana perino, glenn beck and s.e. cupp invited to attend. you think social media overall has been a huge boon to conservatism. >> this issue is different from their news feed. it's their news trend. i remember looking at twitter, all of these places where social media provided an outlet to talk direct to people without a media filter. filter. chris christie is an example of where they used different ways to reach out to potential
donors. this troubling report about suppressing conservative viewpoint and news stories, it's not in facebook's interests to do that, to alienate half of the country. i think it's fairly solvable. they say they haven't found evidence of a problem and they are willing to try to solve it. martha: it's an egalitarian idea of social media and the fact that they are putting out there, this is what our people are clicking on, this is how we know what you care about in the world. but then it books an editorial question like the front page of the "wall street journal" or the "new york times" when choices are made about what is prom nantd in the paper. matt schlapp who is on this program a lot. he says he will not go.
he does not want to be part of this form and here are some of the reasons why. he says the deck is stacked. the cpac egregiously under performs on facebook. he says that's evidence they are not treated fairly. he goes on to say of the 1,000 political donations from facebook employees, 80% have gone to liberals and facebook holds liberal positions on important issues such as privacy, property and priests. >> i think matt can make his own decision. cpac is so big they could get their own meeting with facebook and they probably would. i like to go to meeting to get information.
there is a difference between twitter and facebook. one of the things i want to find out is what is the difference? some people say conservative stuff does well on twitter but not facebook. why is that? i don't know the answer to that. i think there is also an overall issue with silicon valley and something i hope to talk about. companies like facebook and others out there, they prize gender and racial diversity. they don't seem to like diversity of thought. i think zuckerberg asking for this meeting, it might be the first of a series of these meetings. in their business model it's not in their interest to not be inclusive. martha: you look at this whole emergence, this complaint that came from a former staffer. i see as a good thing as well because there is pressure on this organization which has a huge amount of influence,
especially among young people. it makes i hope people who look at facebook and what's trending say to themselves. that's interesting. there is nothing in there that i clicked on in the past week or whatever or days. it raises an important issue and puts pressure on them to be fair. >> when facebook decided to get into the news business it opened itself up to this criticism without the safeguard to protect themselves against it. facebook created a tempest in a teapot and they are trying to cool it down. i don't know if that will happen tomorrow. but i'll go in and come back and tell you all about it. martha: dana has a great piece on foxnews.com. i urge everybody to check that out. she is a great writer and i could tributer to that website.
bill: thank you, dana. i'll see you in 7 1/2 hours. new controversy after the capture of the 10 american sailors earlier this year. one lawmaker says the details on their capture will shock the country. martha: officials are preparing for the release of findings from a deadly train derailment. what caused it. they now have information on that. stick around to hear what it is. we'll be right back. >> the guy next to me is unconscious. he came to and he is okay. there is a lot of blood and a lot of people. e. and with her, a flood of potential patients. a deluge of digital records. x-rays, mris.
amtrak derailment. they will try to figure out the cause of that crash. reports suggest the engineer likely distracted by radio dispatchers. the train traveling 106 miles an hour in an area where the speed is restricted to 50 miles an hour. martha: we are told there are new shocking details on iran's treatment of u.s. sailors captured early this year. many of the details are being withheld by the obama administration. house armed services committee randy forbes says the true story when everyone learns this will be revealing. you can remember the tense situation that unfolded. this was the same day that president obama was preparing for a state of the union address that night. he did not mention the soldiers in that speech, or the sailors
in that speech. but secretary john kerry actually thanked iran for the treatment of our sailors in this moment. >> i also want to thank the iranian authorities for their cooperation and quick response. all indications suggest or tell us that our sailors were well taken care of, provided with blankets and food and assisted with their return to the fleet earlier today. martha: congressman randy forbes joins me now. what was the nature of your briefing? >> we wanted to see what happened in this situation. and there is a couple of things. it wasn't just what the iranians did, it was our response to what the iranians did. and you have to look at this on a backdrop. iranians were doing live firing
within 1,500 yards of our ships right before this. they have planes all over our ships. they capture our sailors. what do we do? nothing, we thank than and write them a check for $100 billion. the russians buzz our ships, we do nothing. hong kong tells us we can't do a port call and we do nothing. get that on the backdrop of what this president has done to our military. in 2011, the navy was able to meet 90% of our needs around the globe. this year we'll need 24%. martha: are you saying the nature of what people find
surprising is not that there is additional information about how the sailors were treated? >> i think what they will find is this was done totally against international and maritime law. i think in addition to that, they will find the whole situation of how we responded during that incident, around that situation, i think to be both shock and appalling when they get all of the details out. that's why we encouraged members of congress to get that briefing so they can see firsthand hand for themselves. >> it's shock enough when you look back at this video and you see the sailors on their knees with their hands on their heads. in terms of how they were handled, they should have, according to international law been told to turn around and leave, correct? >> i can't give you the details because of the classified. when you see the details of what
happened and how it happened, it's going to be very concerning to you, both what the iranians did, but the second thing is our entire response to handling that would be very, very concerning to you and the american people and the members of congress. when. martha: i remember the ben rhodes profile done in the "new york times." during that piece he talks about writing and editing the president's state of the union address. they were under a lot of pressure because that was happening at the same time. it was the middle of the night, iran, and he was concerned about whether they should include something in this speech. it was an astonishing moment. do you think it was wrong of the president nod to talk about it that night in the speech? >> i not only think it was wrong, but i remember being
there that night and every single person i talked to was wondering why didn't the president mention this and talk about it. it was weeks later before i got this briefing, and i'm chairman of the subcommittee that jeff seesee -- that oversees this. martha: when you look at the tenuousness of that deal and how it was put together, why didn't the u.s. feel it had leverage over iran in this situation, and couldn't we have extracted an apology from them. >> what we have seen with this administration is they adopted the strategy of bowing down to bullies. the problem is when you do that, the bullies don't get-go away. they get strong and stronger.
what would you do if you get rewarded with a $100 million check they will increase their activities. again, their activity and rhetoric is getting louder and more shrill. it won't be having the effect we should get from them which it may be to look at behaving like an international player than they are doing right now. bill: u.s. markets are open for trading. reacting to what european and asian gains overnight. crude oil prices moving higher. do you closed 17,710. that was up 74 points. martha: a supreme court decision
on the obamacare contraceptive mandate. send knowledge the case back to the lower court. both side declaring victory. we'll speak to the sisters of the poor. bill: why donald trump tells megyn kelly that he's simply fighting for survival. >> you are so powerful now. >> i don't view myself that way. i view myself as a person like everybody else, fighting for survival. and i view myself now as somewhat of a messenger.
of people who have been disenfranchised from this country. >> it many true, but they are listening to you and taking their cue from you. that's the question, whether now so close to the oval office you will take that responsibility seriously and change your tone to try to be more unifying and less divisive. bill: that's just a peek of what you will see tonight on fox prime time. trump saying he's not powerful, he's just fighting for survival. look at this. lowery and carlson. he's a messenger, tucker. he says for millions. can you dispute that? >> of course he is. of course. it's not as if the republican
primary electric rant decided to elect a reality show host their nominee. they wanted to take the people in charge of their party and throw them out. trump is a vessel for the frustration of his voters. that's why almost nobody called this election correctly. the establishment refused to face that it was a referendum on them. it was never about trump, it was about them. bill: megyn had donald junior on last night and asked bay sib chicago the same question. here is how he answered that. >> the rise is largely in part because of the tone. he's finally saying the thing that everyone want to say. all the hard-working blue collar people in this country who have been left in the dust. who don't get special treatment for doing nothing. he's argue for them. bill: do you agree with that,
relationship? >> no. he's engaged in a long struggle to convince people he's worth billion and not 2 billion dollars. but he connected with americans and that's why he was able to build a winning coalition and it will be a key strength of his in the general. i don't think he will change his tone. but the key to trump and the reason why it will be so difficult for hillary to handle, the press kind of loosely says he's a far right populist. he's not. he's a centrist populist. trump will be moderate in substance and outrageous in behavior. hillary will be left wing in substance and moderate in demeanor. bill: tucker, draft off that, and draft off this. when he talks about a survivor. he has got a survivor's
instinct. he beat 16 people who made a leg out of politic and wiped them off the floor. >> he's a brawler. never pick a fight with someone who enjoys it. this was their basic miscalculation. but again he revealed, is your tone a uniting or divisive one? obviously it's divisive. but you can ask the same question to republicans in washington. what are you doing to unite the party? then you try to recruit mark cuban to run against him third party who i more liberal than donald trump. so what role is the republican establishment play to unite the party. bill: what do you know about the drafting of the third candidate.
>> to have a third party candidate run for president. you do need a candidate. he name on the list that popped up said no. we are getting down to a less and less likely people. mark cuban, tucker mentioned. the people working for donald trump like paul manafort and tony fabrizio, he's reuniting the bob dole campaign. these are conservative movement types. the establishment was sitting on the sidelines and hoping he would fade. bill: i thought kasich came that close to endorsing him last night. rich's moderate populist? is that right?
>> he's a raining moderate. >> that's completely right. rich and i have been talking for 20 years, oh, the normal categories are collapsing. they have now. it's not a clean contest between a left wirng and right winger. it's much muddier than that. in the end the republican party will be reunited by force. think of those legend. lowery and carlson. >> we have been doing this for 20 years. >> take care of the cold, rich. see you guys soon. martha: megyn will join us in a little while. we'll talk about her interview with donald trump. so stick around for that. >> in the meantime, wounded warriors shooting for new heights, a pair of them taking on the world's tallest mountain
iraq's capital city has been ravaged by bombings three times today alone. this is a continuing trend. 9 people dead in -- dead in baghdad. isis claiming responsibility for it all. what's the latest and ways going on in iraq right now. reporter: these horrendous bombing are making baghdad looking like a very dangerous place that we covered for years and years. the attack happened in the northern area and the second in the southern neighbor kood of dora. and the third in sadr city. isis is sunni muslim, and these are the target shiia. when emergency workers rush to
the scene, a woman suicide bomber blew herself up. using women on suicide missions is becoming more common. the deadly 1-2 punch is becoming typical for isis. martha: the president promised to end the decade of war, and we are back where we were in terms of the violence and killing that goes on in iraq right now. and as you point out in this case, isis is killing muslims, they are killing shiia muslims in huge numbers. what's their motivation for putting themselves on the map in such a strong way at this moment in time. >> i think the first thing is to realize how strong they are acting with these kind of attacks. these attacks are not alone. as you noted deadly blasts. a lot of carnage.
600 civilians have been killed alone this month in iraq. some say isis is taking advantage of disarray within the iraqi government right now. and they are experiencing losses on the battlefield. the campaign against it, including the u.s. airstrikes, has rolled back half of the territory gained bit s. militants in iraq. so they are trying new tactics. it remains a very dangerous game, martha. bill: a major hearing on the iran nuclear deal. did the white house stretch the truth to get the public on board? a key advisor will not be there. we are covering all of it as lawmakers look for answers. >> this background this creative
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martha: well, we do expect this could be somewhat explosive hearing this morning on the controversial iran nuclear deal and all about to get underway on capitol hill, but the key witness lawmakers wanted to hear one is being kept under wraps by the white house. welcome, everybody as we watch the scene. everybody moving into the room this morning for the hearing. i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. deputy national security advisor ben rhodes was invited to testify. he will be a no-show. the white house says executive privilege is on the line. oversight committee member trey gowdy on "america's newsroom" explained why rhodes needs to be questioned about the recent iran deal. >> we need to understand ben rhodes is. he wrote the same memo denied it
was libya. he is a writer. that's good for writing hallmark cards but not so good if you're advisor to the president of the united states. martha: turns out ben rhodes will be speaking today but will not be doing so at this hearing. reporter: that's right, martha. good morning. president's deputy national security advisor is scheduled to participate this afternoon in symposium on southeast asia at center for new american security. once this firestorm erupted oaf rhodes's comment to the "new york times" magazine about creation of an echo chamber to peddle a false narrative about the iran nuclear deal, house oversight chairman, jason chaffetz, republican utah, called a hearing, white house narratives. the white house challenged chaffetz to call selected republican lawmakers, allegedly saying they lied how much money
iran would receive in. tom cot son accepted challenge. but democrats all all of this is distraction. >> this is once again the republican majority evading the real question, which is, did the iran nuclear agreement work or not? and they're going through real mental contortions here to focus on some aide in the white house beating his chest and, maybe promoting himself in a news article. reporter: it was also revealed last week that the state department deleted eight minutes from a three-year-old press briefing on iran, martha. martha: stunning really. the white house told you, james, they wouldn't hold back ben rhodes from talking about this but now it appears to be quite a different story? reporter: originally they just made the assertion to me in white house press briefing last week when they first balked making ben rhodes available to testify i sought to get the
white house on the record as to its reasons or at least those bases it wasn't citing. white house is not reflexively asserting executive privilege claim with respect to this request. >> that's correct. this has nothing to do with executive privilege. reporter: nothing to do with executive privilege. days later white house counsel neil he can gel ton was invoking executive privilege without using the term. whiting to chairman chaffetz. appearance of a senior presidential advisor before congress threatens independence and ought ton min of the president as well as his ability to receive advice and counsel in the discharge of his constitutional duties. >> difficult for me how you have a privilege when it comes to talking to people who are elected by your fellow citizens but that privilege doesn't apply when you're talking to reporters. reporter: so a rhodesless hearing for now. also will be interesting to see if senator cotton does show up and testify regardless of ben rhodes not being there. martha?
martha: he makes a good point. if you will speak about how it was all formulated quite openly with a reporter, and that doesn't violate the president's confidence and relationship and it is interesting that it would they believe, if you're being asked questions by people who have been elected by the united states citizens to be, hold office on capitol hill. james, thank you very much. good to see you. >> reporter: thank you, martha. bill: while you guys were talking, jason chaffetz started his opening remarks. this is the hearing he talked about yesterday with us on "america's newsroom." let's dip in here a moment. >> perhaps we should call other members up such as senator tom cotton who should also raise right hand and swear and affirm and answer questions. i took that suggestion. shared it with senator cotton. we accommodated that. mr. cotton, senator cotton had agreed if mr. rhodes would be here to also be here to answer questions and ferret out any of these details but, mr. rhodes
elected not to speak. now he does have a public speaking engagement today. he out giving a public speech today but refuses to come and speak with congress. i'm going to play a clip, i got two clips in my opening statement. i think you can see where, maybe some on the other side of the aisle will say oh, we know everything about this. it has been thoroughly debated. but i want you to watch the clip, what we call clip b, if we could, let's watch this. >> one final question on this subject. there have been reports that intermittently and outside of the formal p5-plus-one mechanisms the obama administration, or members of it have conducted direct, secret, bilateral talks with iran. is that true or false? >> we have made clear the vice president did at munich
that in the context of the larger p5-plus-one framework we would be prepared to talk to iran bilaterally. but with regard to the kind of thing that you're talking about on a government to government level, no. >> can i ask you one more? >> i notice you have -- >> let me try it one last way. i appreciate your indulgence. >> sure. >> is it the tosy of the state department where the preservation of the secrecy of secret negotiations are is concerned to lie in order to achieve that goal? >> james, i think there are times where diplomacy needs privacy in order to progress. this is a good example of that. >> so as you can see victoria nuland turned out to be absolutely and totally not true. miss psaki was more candid in that assessment. this article comes out and basically, the administration thought it was in their best
interest to spin up the story that negotiations started with a more moderate regime in 2013 but that's not what had happened. that was fiction as well. also want to talk about 24 by 7 access. i think american people were led to believe that americans with the best interests would have access and be able to see and get in there and go into these nuclear facilities 24/7. i want to play another clip. this is clip number e. or letter e. >> so the israelis have put out this list of things that they think should be in the final deal with iran including allowing inspectors to go anywhere anytime. that seems perfectly reasonable, no? >> well, jake, first of all under this deal you will have anywhere, anytime, 24/7 access as it relates to the nuclear facilities that iran has.
you will also have access to -- >> what about the military facilities? >> so what we'll have under this deal, jake is strongest inspection regime any country faces in the world. what that means, if we see a site that we need to inspeck on a military facility, we can get access to the site and inspect it. so if it is suspicious site we believe is related to its nuclear efforts we can get access and inspect that site through the iaea. >> ben told jake tapper of cnn on april 6th, and i quote, under this deal you will have anywhere anytime, 24/7 access as it relates to the nuclear facilities that iran has. was that a lie? >> no. there are nuclear facilities there. is 24/7 access to, to iran's, to verify their compliance with the agreement. >> 24/7 access anytime anywhere? >> to their nuclear facilities. that is the quote you read me, right? >> yes, sir. >> yeah.
>> over the past week we've spoken at length about what exactly this deal is. also want to make clear what that deal was never intended to be. first of all, as the chief negotiator i can tell you i never uttered the words anywhere anytime, nor was it ever part of the discussion that we had with the iranians. >> thanks. you can take that down. so, first of all, as somebody pointed out in our committee, i think mr. palmer pointed out, i don't think mr. kerry was chief negotiator but that is another point. but the second part of it is, is there 24 by 7 access? can you access anything, anywhere, anytime? spinning quite a different story as we go along. we heard a lot of numbers related to sanctions relief, dealing with escrowed oil funds. president obama was quoted in an atlantic article, talking about $150 billion that would be going back it iran.
iranians say they have access to $100 billion. the treasury department says it is $50 billion. secretary kerry said they only had access to $3 billion and then blamed treasury. talking about a lot of money going to a state sponsor of terrorism. there is are questions about -- martha: as we dig into the iran deal that was hugely controversial and now this story in "the new york times" sort of spilled it all back into the headlines as ben rhodes, deputy national security advisor, suggested that the deal had been in the works under the previous, more hard-line administration in iran, not just beginning when the moderates came into power. all of this has a lot of importance in terms of national security and global security. so let's bring in chris stirewalt, fox news digital politics editor. chris, politically, when you look at what's at stake here, and the discussion that is going on capitol hill and decision by ben rhodes not to come to answer these questions, is that okay? >> well, i mean look, ben rhodes
is sort of like the rooster that takes credit for the sun coming up in the morning. he was obviously enthralled with his own excellence as a spin doctor and wanted people to know that he had, he had successfully conned a gullible, credulous, youthful press corps and that he wanted everybody to know he got away with it but, say you're an art forger. if you forge a painting, the problem no one will ever know what a good forger you are if you want to get away with it he apparently needed to get caught. he apparently needed everybody to know how he was at spinning. in consequence it throws the stink on this deal further. the question whether or not it works we won't know today, we won't know for a long time whether it was good to appease the regime but we do know this, rhodes isn't as good at this as he thought he was. martha: that's the crucial point here and it seems the administration wants to already
take a big victory lap. >> right. martha: hey, guess what, we were right all along. this is a moderate government. clearly they don't have nuclear designs in terms of weaponry. it ridiculously too early to say that at this point and you know what they do have is a huge cover of money at their disposal now they did not have before. how much of an issue though is this with the american people do you think during the election process, chris? >> well, in a republic we hire people to handle jobs like this. we, citizentry chooses an hires people to handle jobs like this. by and large the citizenry trusts that folks deal with the good tryst for the company. it almost got through. you saw polling people indicated were very concerned about it and disapproval of it, intensity disapproval outside of hard-line partisans on either side, intensity was relatively low. whether or not this deal is perceived as good deal or bad
deal come november will be material for hillary clinton. donald trump has said over and over and over again he will make a tremendous deal with iran, the best deals, he would deal with this and he would get, called it the worst deal in history he had ever seen which coming from new york real estate business that's saying something. so he laid down a big marker on that. hillary clinton is going to have to defend it to a certain degree but we are starting to see in hillary clinton as she gets closer to the end of her primary the ability to pivot a little bit. martha: this issue goes to the heart of global security and the debate over which side the united states is to be on in that match in a way that nothing else does in our time right now. chris, thank you very much. good to see you. >> you bet. bill: anytime, anywhere inspections, right? martha: yeah. bill: moderate leadership? answers forthcoming, or not. victory of sorts for religious groups after the supreme court does not issue a decision on obamacare's birth control mandate. what is next now for the little
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bill: well, this is new normal. homeland security secretary jeh johnson telling travelers to be patient amid massive delays at airports across the country, especially in chicago. passengers told to show up three hours early for domestic flights. and they're still missing their plane. tom blank, former deputy director of tsa is with me. how are you and good morning to you. >> good morning. bill: let me show you our viewers, tsa staffing over three years is 10 10%. airline passenger volume is up 15%. the way i understand it. what the government wanted to do, tom, is they wanted to get all the passengers to sign up for precheck and that way they would be cleared for security and process would move faster. the problem with that is, precheck used to be free. and now it is $85 a passenger. so how do you expect people to sign up and pay that money on top of the baggage fees and airline ticket, et cetera, et cetera? >> well, it is an unacceptable
situation, bill. tsa has been vexed with getting the right level of workforce out there, really since its creation. remember thousands standing around? well that was when the workforce was up to 60,000. then that got cut back to about 45,000. with congress putting pressure on tsa to put efficiencies in place. now it is down to 42,000. and, it is somewhat a situation where congress and the administration keep fighting over money. and appropriations level for tsa is really unfair to the traveling public, which is why you see these fees for precheck that really shouldn't be there. bill: well, they are, right? and when it was first introduced as you remember, it was free. now, with regard to security, how are you maintaining security at the airports, given what we saw in brussels perhaps? and trying to make sure people
can have an experience that they, they don't dread? because that's what a lot of people are going through. >> well, this is a big part of the problem. if you recall it was last summer when tsa was getting heavily criticized because of red team reports that showed that the checkpoints were very porous in terms of prohibited items and other contraband getting through. that caused tsa to inif to radically change its culture from one of convenience to one of security. with retraining. and extended training, and taking more time to have a look at x-ray images and that sort of thing. so between a mismatch of increased, increased airline passenger loadings, change of culture, new leadership, and the precheck not delivering, you're seeing a situation that frankly is not going to get better anytime soon. bill: wow, that is a dreaded statement in itself because we have explained the why.
now we have to figure out we get out of this mess because memorial weekend, summer travel season is right around the corner. what do they do, tom? >> well, there are some things that they can do. number un, i was traveling over the weekend. there is increased use of explosive dog detection teams on the tsa lines. that's one thing. that can expedite people through because they have been preinspected so to speak. you can get tsa managers out there to better manage the queues, say some lines have no people. some lines are very backed up. so better queue management is one thing you can do. get airlines and airports to do some of the non-security functions. but these are really things around the margin that won't make it a great experience unfortunately. bill: tom, we like to stay in touch with you, if it is not going away we want to talk about it. tom blank, thank you, sir. former head of tsa in washington.
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martha: the supreme court down one man and deciding not to decide essentially. the eight justices sent a high-profile case over obamacare birth control mandate back to the lower courts. the non-decision is being widely viewed as win for religious groups and a blow to the white house. editorial in the "national review" says this, quote, this is not the outcome the obama administration had hoped for and it's better than the 4-4 most people predicted. the tie would have let stand rulings against the little sisters and most of the other
religious organizations challenging the mandate. this outcome by contrast provides a. >> dicker road map for a nationalda judicial road map for national victory. let's make sense of all of this. joined to do that by a sister who is communications for the little sisters of the poor, and we have the executive director for the beckett fund, for religious liberty which represented and represents the little sisters and 5-0, has won all five cases they have brought against the supreme court and has an extraordinary record of fighting for religious liberty. but sister, let me start with you. what is your interpretation? what did the ruling mean for you and the little sisters? >> well, for us it meant that the supreme court acknowledged what we had been saying all along and what the government finally admitted in their supplemental brief, which is there are other ways the government can achieve its goal
of providing these services without involving us. so by vacating or throwing out the decisions from the lower court, the supreme court is basically, you know, saying strongly that we should be able to work out a solution to this. martha: yeah. you know one of the words that was used a lot about this, christina, they punted. they punted the decision back and they didn't say that the lower court rulings would stand which would have been negative outcome for the little sisters but they said, you need to work it out. you need to figure out a way they don't need to pay for birth control which is something that goes against their core beliefs but is it a long-term win do you think, christina? >> oh absolutely. what the supreme court did is quite ex-trod nary. it issued a unanimous order telling government a number about things. it told the government it could not fine the little sisters. the past four years the government is threatening little sisters with $70 million per fines per year. it told the government you had
to work it out. it allowed the government to sort of fulfill its word. the government told the supreme court there were other ways it could do this. it also told the government to take its time and do this right. this is a big win for the little sisters but a big win for all americans who want to live according to deeply-held convictions. the government gets to meet the goal of providing contraception and other services to women who want them but the rights of little sisters are protected as well. martha: when you look back on this whole thing, what do you think about it? why do you think the government came after you? why did the administration want to level $7 million in fines against the little sisters of the poor? wouldn't it be easier for them and better pr to leave you alone? >> i can't really speak to their, about their intentions but you know i think there's a definite agenda in our country with the dominant culture you know, in this area and, you
know, i don't think they came after us individually or specifically but we're just glad that the supreme court has acknowledged, you know, what we've been saying all along, that these services could be provided. the government can meet their goals without involving us in them in ways that violate our catholic faith. martha: christina, what do you think? what was the motivation going after the little sisters of poor? why not leave them alone? >> this conflict didn't make any sense and the supreme court laid a path for win-win scenario. supreme court knows 1 in 3 americans are not subject mandate. the government exempted it is own military health care and medical plans. 100 million americans are exempted from the mandate. the supreme court said this doesn't make any sense. send the government back to work it out and have everyone win. martha: so, christina, let me say with you for a moment, when you look at the election coming up or hear discussion or lack of discussion some might say about
religious liberty, how do you feel about the future for those cases and for your cause, which i know you feel is so important in this country? >> well the supreme court has done it right for the last five supreme court cases right. they understand the religious liberty is not the eccentric uncle of the human rights family and i have great faith in the american people and in our justice system and i think religious liberty will ultimately prevail because it's a core american value. martha: sister, you think prayer played a real in all of this? >> oh, definitely. and you know, as christina said she places her faith in the american people. i would add that we first and our faith in god. we've just been very confident that he would work this out. that he wouldn't abandon us because we're taking care of his poor and we're taking care of a group, the elderly poor, who are particularly vulnerable in today's society. so there was no way that god was not going to take care of us. martha: thank you, nobody could
put it better than that. i urge people to check out the little sisters of the poor online if you want to learn more what they're doing. if you're scratching your head why the government would come after them for $7 million, the fact they're taking care of poor, old people, thank you very much. always good to have you with us. >> thank you, martha. bill: amen. hillary clinton on the attack going after donald trump in mocking fashion. will that work? will trump be the easy target that she believes? martha: plus one-on-one interview with trump that everybody is talking about. megyn kelly joins with us a preview of her big special that airs tonight. >> i tell you what. in a certain way what you did might have been a favor because i felt so good about having gotten through, i said if i can get through this debate with those questions you can get through anything.
when they thought they should westart saving for retirement.le then we asked some older people when they actually did start saving. this gap between when we should start saving and when we actually do is one of the reasons why too many of us aren't prepared for retirement. just start as early as you can. it's going to pay off in the future. if we all start saving a little more today, we'll all be better prepared tomorrow. prudential. bring your challenges. martha: so it's tuesday, everybody. you know what that means. there is another big primary today.
this time it is in oregon. bernie sanders looking to upset hillary clinton. new changes in voter law added 50,000 more people to the rolls. the closed nature some think may work against the vermont senator given record of these primaries. chief correspondent jonathan hunt joins us live from portland, oregon. jonathan, the way it works in oregon, a lot of people will not be at the polls today because they already voted, right? reporter: in fact there are no polling places. this is a vote by mail state. business has been brisk. anybody who missed the deadline as well, martha is able to drop off their ballots today at one of these official ballot boxes that are in place all over the state. you can see this gentleman doing exactly that right now. we've seen a pretty brisk line of commuters. a lot are on foot and on bikes as welcoming through here. the motor voter law you referenced playing an interesting roll in career because it has increased the
number of voters aged under 29 by more than 20% just since last fall. that obviously is a demographic that would help bernie sanders, the eastern -- only problem with him, those voters had to register as democrats the at time they got their drivers licenses. if they didn't, they can't vote today because this is a closed primary. so what the laws in oregon give with bernie sanders with one hand they take away with the other, martha. martha: i like the way jonathan says bernie sanders. bernie sanders. so hillary thinks she will have a good night there, jonathan? reporter: the latest poll, there has only been one in recent weeks, gave hillary clinton a 15% lead over bernie sanders. now that, according to most experts is probably narrow ad good about it recently although political professor that we spoke to here at portland state university told us he thinks hillary clinton will still
eke out a win just listen here. >> i think sanders will continue to participate and continue to do well in a few states and in other states he won't do well. i think we'll see up through 7th, that is probably when the book is goes to be closed. reporter: rotors have until 8:00 p.m. tonight, 11 eastern, to drop ballots after at the boxes. we'll get results pretty quickly after that. martha: interesting process. jonathan thank you. bill: hillary clinton mocking trump about a possible debate in the fall. karl rove, former assistant to president george w. bush and fox news contributor. good morning to you. this is what she said, imagine i'm on debate stage with donald trump. let's suppose here is the questions, what is your plan to create jobs. his answer is i will create them and they will be great. how do you evaluate this potential matchup six months in
advance when it is clear that she perhaps is underestimating him? how do you see that? >> well i think she is underestimating him. first of all, when is the first debate? it is september 26th in dayton, ohio, write state university. why telegraph what you will do that many months in advance in order to give him time to prepare. certainly by the time that the debate rolled around he would be ready to answer that question. a little mystifying to me. if she wants to attack him now for not knowing what he wants to do, go after him now. i wouldn't do that now. i would save that for later. bill: you're saying she is showing her hand already. >> really. >> make up your mind. you will go after him now. don't talk about the debate. go after him now and lay out chapter and verse. if you want to do it in the debate don't talk about. make it a surprise. don't give him time to prepare. imagine what would have happened in 2000 al gore had said, i'm
going in the next debate i will go up and menace george bush, to stand in his personal zone and try to stare him down? he wouldn't have had any chance of pulling that off if he telegraphed it in advance. bill: i think you raise an interesting point. you're selling him at a lower level, so the expectation is lower for him. so that if he, if he does provide a blowout performance, people will be widely impressed. >> if you set the expectation in advance. bill: i get it. >> he doesn't know what he is talking about. shows up and says i know what i'm talking about on issue doing on jobs, she is in trouble on it having set the expectation herself. again this is evidence that hillary clinton is not the campaigner her husband was. i could never imagine her husband saying in five months or four months in advance of a debate, here's what i'm going to do and isn't it going to be great when he fails to meet my test. bill: he calls her "crooked
hillary" and she calls him loose cannon. watch. >> what bothers me about donald trump is that he is truly proven to be a loose cannon. and it's not just what he says being offensive, although it is, it is risky and dangerous. when he says oh, he would use nuclear weapons against isis, it is just frightening. it is not even a state. bill: so does the phrase, loose cannon, which was introduced about two weeks ago, does that stick? does that fit? does that work, karl? >> well, we won't know for some time to come but what's apparent each side has settled on a met at that narrative. an overarching argument on behalf of their candidate. each one of their arguments has two facets. one is positive about them. she's saying i have the temperament and experience that qualifies me to be in the oval office. there is also a negative fashion to that.
he is a loose cannon, he is risky, he is dangerous. his meta narrative, i'm agent of change. 24% of people think we're moving in the right direction. 70% of the country says we're on wrong track. i'm the guy representing the 70% that we're going in the wrong direction. the negative on her heart, she is untrustworthy, insincere, a liar, inauthentic and you can't trust anything she says and does. we'll see those two complimentary arguments fought out for the next nearly seven months with alternating between the positive sides of it and negative sides. she will say, i represent stability. he is dangerous. he says i represent change. and she represents more of the same. bill: i need a quick answer on this there is a third party push. will that happen or not? >> look i wrote a column about this three weeks ago. as of 10 days ago, no independent candidate can get on the ballot in texas, second most poplous state in the country.
by 21st of july, 13 states hit their deadline. tough have a presidential candidate, vice-presidential candidate, electors. it ain't happening. stop wasting our time on it. bill: thanks for keeping it short. >> thank you, bill. martha: so the wait is over. tonight is the night, megyn kelly will sit down with donald trump for a one-on-one. first time since the new infamous first republican debate more than nine months ago back in cleveland, that august. megyn kelly joins us coming up in a few minutes right after this. >> i reallfeel myself now as somewhat of a messenger. this is massive thing going on. these are millions and millions of people disenfranchised from this country.
be a pretty picture to see her on your knees. does that sound like man we should elect with the temperment. >> it is fun, it is kidding. we have a good time. what i say is what i say. honestly megyn, if you don't like it i'm sorry. i've been very nice to you although i could probably maybe not be the based on the way you have treated me. martha: that exchange was something else. and it ignited months of attacks, of tweets, of retweets, from the republican front-runner megyn kelly speaking to donald trump in her first interview since that opening republican debate that happened last august. the exclusive prime time special will air tonight on the fox broadcast network and here with a preview is our good friend megyn kelly, host of "the kelly file" and "megyn kelly presents." >> hi. martha: how was it to break the ice with donald trump? >> it was nothing. it was a little nerve-wracking to go into trump tower on the very first meeting.
he had been coming after me for a while. i reached out to ask him for a meeting. that was a little nerve-wracking for me. he could not have been nicer. he gave me a big smile, warm greeting. i thought, good, good. i asked him for interview at end of that exchange and he ultimately agreed. martha: we're all looking forward to it. we've seen little bits and piece of it. you have said there are moments that are uncomfortable. we'll wait to see those tonight. anything you can tell us about the nature of that? >> well, i mean, i didn't want to get into the specifics of, you know, what he had said about me and so on. i just, i didn't want to make it about me at all but in this particular setting there was no choice but to go down that whole rabbit hole a it about. people would have been like, what do you mean? you won't discuss it at all? martha: absolutely. >> those moments were awkward and somewhat tense but we navigated our way through. when it ended he and i were in a fine place. so, i think we both felt all right about how it went.
but i think there will be some moments where viewers are like, i got, i have to see it but i'm not sure i want to. i feel uncomfortable. >> it was necessary for him to confront that question that you asked him at that debate and now we know, looking at general election and what hillary has planned it will keep coming. so something he had to address at some point. >> he did and i think, obviously that question was relevant because the way it ended was, how are you going to answer the charge from hillary clinton. martha: yeah. >> you're part of the war on women because you said these things. in trump's defense too, i understand where he was coming from. we talk about this a bit. it is his first debate ever. he is a businessman. he is a tv host. in his mind he is up there giving us ratings and he surrounded by all these guys who have done debates before, next thing you know, bear hits him with question if you will not support the nominee. i hit him with the woman questions.
wallace hits him with the bankruptcy question. what is heck going on. this is not fun at all. i understand why he got mad at the moment. martha: interesting. i want to take a look at another sound bite, this is one people at home have not seen yet. let's play that and get your thoughts. >> most kids between the age of 6 and 16 have been bullied at some point in your lives. were you ever bullied? >> no, i wasn't. i have seen bullying. bullying doesn't have to be a child. bullying happens at 55 years old. >> can happen when you're 45, right? >> but you have to get over it. fight back, do whatever you have to do. i've been saying this whole campaign i'm a counter puncher. you understand that i'm responding. i then respond times maybe 10, i don't know. i respond pretty strongly but in just about all cases i have been responding to what they did to me. martha: interesting. >> so it is about temperment. and you know trump says he is counterpuncher which in many
instances he has been, he has been attacked by so many. of course that is not true for all of the cases and one of the things i was trying to get at with him, do you understand the responsibility that comes with the power you've been given by the voters? even before you reached the presidency if that is where this is headed? that you have this huge microphone and he views himself as a messenger. does he understand when he comes after somebody or some group, take me out of it, muslims women, mexicans, whatever, it has real life effect on some people's lives and his supporters often do take their cue from him and you know, i will leave it to the viewers to decide whether he does get that. martha: it has been a fascinating process so far. we look forward to seeing it tonight, megyn. >> thanks for having me. martha: back in your old haunt. >> fun to be here. martha: don't miss megyn's exclusive interview tonight with donald trump.
"megyn kelly presents" on your fox broadcast network. that is the local station. 8:00 p.m. do not miss it. bill: how much do you miss "america's newsroom"? >> i'm hoping martha still giving you a hard time. bill: still is. martha: every day. every day. thanks. olay total effects a skin transformation that rivals the leading department store moisturizer. revives skin to fight 7 signs of aging. with olay, you age less, so you can be ageless. olay. ageless.
>> just ahead on "happening now," primaries in two states today, kentucky and oregon. hillary clinton hopes to stop bernie sanders 'momentum in kentucky. he has won several primary this is month. their battle plus we're getting idea of how tough the general election is going to be with aggressive new anti-trump ads from the clinton campaign. it is all ahead, "happening now." bill: jon, thanks. see you in six minutes. we're about to find out what killed eight people in that deadly derailment in philadelphia. doug mckelway live in d.c.
with more. reporter: ultimate investigation finding that the engineer was distracted. this investigation has been hampered from the outset because the engineer, brandon bosh, claims not to remember the crash or immediate events leading up to it. he suffered a head injury in the derailment. this much investigators know he was not under influence of drugs or alcohol. he hood no medical issues. he was not on his cell phone he had plenty of rest. default conclusion, he was distracted at time the train entered the turn, 106 miles an hour, twice the posted speed limit. his distraction, centered around a 6 minutes long from a septa radio engineer to his dispatcher. >> a few minutes after the amtrak train departed last station stop at 30th street station, a engineer on septa commuter train approaching north philadelphia station broadcast along the radio a person along the tracks thrown a object along
the septa train, shattered windshield, getting glass in his face. reporter: though the train was not struck by a rock, because ever that they concluded boston lost situational awareness, may have mistakenly he already passed through the key turn when he applied full throttle when in fact the sharp turn lay straight ahead. bill? >> doug mckelway. with the findings there in washington. martha: democrats making their feelings known about the candidates they pick today in two states. can bernie sanders notch another one and continue to crank up the pressure on hillary clinton? that's the big question.
this dog. state troopers apparently, she turned up on the highway after going missing friday. a okay , in case you are wondering. it's like the oj case there. bill: she did not want to go home at all. things were not working out where she came from . martha: she's like, no one understands me. bill: that was a rocking two hours. martha: shall we do it again tomorrow? have a good night everybody. see you later. jon: we will keep it rolling here, high drama for democrats this primary day. hillary clinton campaigning hard in kentucky, trying to keep bernie sanders from racking up another win after tensions boiled over at a nevada state convention and the fallout from that role still being felt. good morning, i'm jon scott and welcome to you. melissa: i'm melissa francis in for jenna lee. hillary clinton and senator sanders battling out into states today. voters heading to the polls in kentucky while oregon